Rex

by dejackso on Dec 3, 2007 9:29 AM CST Comment 30 comments

People at the ESPN message board are annoying. Apparently, the last game is entirely on Rex. They think that because his QB rating is 67.1 in 7 games, that he hasn't improved after the benching.

However, if you're going to talk about Rex, at least give the correct stats. He has a 67.1 rating in total, but since you are talking about after his benching...here are his post-bench stats

73 for 130 (56.2%) 897 yards 3TD 1INT

That's a QB rating of 82.1. The post benching performance includes playing against the 2nd and 3rd best teams that Rex Played against.

Statistically, he is showing improvement which isn't suprising for a player with less than two full seasons of actual playing time. We definitely should stick with him until the end of the season and see if it sticks.

However, he needs to improve more if we are going to keep him. Although the O-line is horrible and is the leading cause of QB pressure and misthrows, Rex doesn't help. He's more David Carr than he is Tony Romo in that regard. He needs to step up into pressure...about 40% of those sacks are on Rexy and they are drive killers. If he can't do that, then he's a career backup...however, he has shown improvement so far...he could learn this.

Next season, it is cruicial that we fire Turner and upgrade the line (maybe replace Moose)

OT: someone mentioned that he was 5 for 14 in the 4th quarter and that means he sucks. I'd like to mention that several of those passes were desperation passes to try to win the game. He wasn't horrible in the 4th...he was mediocre.

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4th quarter

Not only were a few of them desperation throws, but there were also a couple of drops.

But why do we have two diaries that essentially say the same thing?

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by big_lowitzki on Dec 3, 2007 9:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

im pretty sure

that on at least 3 of the sacks that if he stepped up it would have been straight into an unblocked linebacker.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 3, 2007 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

That's probably true...

but the loss on the play would have been much less than it was when the outside rush got him. I'd rather have him sacked and lose 5 yards than 15 yards. Besides, our interior line is much better than our outside line this year.

Either way, that's not the biggest problem we have.

by dejackso on Dec 3, 2007 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

there were

at least 3 sacks he took by running backwards and not stepping up. and there wasn't the convienant "rush up the middle anyway" for the "i heart rex" people to explain it away. those drives cost us points.

last year when he was making some of the worst decision in quartback history were we all bitching about protection or his decision making? the line wasn't this bad, and even if it gets better you still have to be able to do something with some pressure, even brady and manning get some heat.

get him a good line and still think you get some shitty decision making and inaccurte throws.

by mike b on Dec 3, 2007 12:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

points?

those drives cost us points.

Tell me exactly where Rex cost the Bears points yesterday.

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by big_lowitzki on Dec 3, 2007 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

73 for 130 (56.2%) 897 yards 3TD 1INT

how many fumbles?

by mike b on Dec 3, 2007 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Fumbles

I didn't forget the fumbles...I left them out. ESPN has him charted as having only 2 fumbles in 2007 and that seems low for Rex. I didn't see a point in putting them in here if that was true (2 fumbles isn't bad..but the way Rex had been holding on to the ball was bad...if true, he's been lucky) and I didn't want to put false information in here. Either way, he recently has been holding on to the ball with two hands and hasn't fumbled but once (badly) since the benching. The sacks last night showed that he can hold onto the ball with an acceptable amount of skill.

by dejackso on Dec 3, 2007 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Patience my freinds

I have and still am saying stick with Rex. The more he plays, the more he learns. There will be some more "Grossman" mistakes along the way, but in the long run it will be worth it. The kid" has lots of talent.

He reminds me of a puppy. He knows when he does wrong and has the same look at a puppy who just snatched food off the counter. Like training a puppy it takes a few shouts of "bad dog", but eventually they learn. Rex is just a little slower from all the partying he did in high school and college. They call him Rextasy for a reason down in Florida.

Stick with Lovie, stick with Rex. The way to a consistent winner is not over reacting and jumping ship. Stability is key to a Superbowl run of over 1 fluke season here and there.

Patience can reqwarded.

Live Fast, Die Awesome

by punkcoop on Dec 3, 2007 2:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

FWIW

Bears QB's have been sacked 38 times this year and the running backs are averaging 3.2 YPA.

Last year (over a full season)
QB's were sacked 25 times and averaged 3.8 YPA.

We have to fix the O-line above all else this offseason. Plus I don't see a obvious better option at QB in the free agent market unless McNabb is cut.

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by thecubreporter on Dec 3, 2007 4:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yes

the offensive line got old in a big hurry. This must be addressed either through the draft or free agency, if not both.

all the way to Arizona

by mike on Dec 3, 2007 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

O-Line

We need to replace/upgrade LG and RT. If we do that I think all is well. I'd like to sign a top tier LT, even though it will cost plenty. Move Tait back to RT and cut Miller. A free agent LG would be nice, too. I can live with Garza until Beekman can take over for him in a year or two.

Maybe Benson could run with that line, maybe not. I think he could handle some screen passes like AP does, but certainly not as well. I'd like to see Wolfe used in some spread packages that could take advantage of his speed & elusiveness. God knows Benson and AP won't outrun anybody.

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by allhailmark on Dec 4, 2007 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

what would ...

grossman look like if we didn't lead the nfl in dropped passes? lots 'o people look at that damn rating and it doesn't mean as much on a team with soooo many variables. what about his ints? how many are 100% his fault?
a mobile qb he is not. stepping up into the pocket when your 5'-10" to avoid a sack will get you hurt in the end by a "foaming at the mouth" mlb. not to mention he can't see as well the closer he is to the line o scrimmage.Instead of constantly pointing out what he does wrong why can't we get him to thrive with what he does well?
the bears will never,have never, had a great qb so forget about having the likes of a Manning or Brady. it won't happen in chitown.this team has always been about a tough defense and strong running game. that needs the most attention on this football team. games are won and lost in the trenches.
Does anyone miss Chris Harris as much as i do? the tj trade hurt somewhat but i feel losing harris for archuletta cut us deeper than we realize.

by coolgjc on Dec 4, 2007 9:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

well

" stepping up into the pocket when your 5'-10" to avoid a sack will get you hurt in the end by a "foaming at the mouth" mlb. not to mention he can't see as well the closer he is to the line o scrimmage"

if you're not mobile, and you are too short to step up, WHY IS HE STILL IN THE LEAGUE? what can he do? everything out of the shotgun sounds like the only option, except he's still short and has to see over lineman's hands.

what does he consistently do well that we should be talking about?

by mike b on Dec 4, 2007 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he hits recievers in the hands

by Jbasic89 on Dec 4, 2007 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i said consistently

by mike b on Dec 4, 2007 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

im pretty sure hes been consistent

since he came back from being benched. he should have had 400 yards 2 tds if all his passes were caught last week. not to mention a W

by Jbasic89 on Dec 5, 2007 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

in 4 games?

sure he's looked a bit better. but i am not goign to throw out all of last eyar when he consistently thre the ball 3 feet over the recievers heads.

they guy has already shown he is streaky, I would hope most fans are smart enough to want a little more that 4 decent games to bring out the checkbook.

by mike b on Dec 6, 2007 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ya what do u have in mind?

sure lets get mcnabb n give three first round picks
or maybe derek anderson-- who would cost a 1st and 3rd round pick plus a max contract.

yea no thanks ill take rex over a declining overrated qb in mcnabb n derek anderson who has two of the best offensive weapons in the league in braylon edwards and kellen winslow.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 6, 2007 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i had 8

good games in mind.

by mike b on Dec 6, 2007 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you know just as i...

that he can have 300 yd games with dropped balls and no ints.how many yds if the ball doesn't get dropped? he's a young kid. can still develop into a good(not great) qb.
what do you do for a living? and were you in a superbowl with 2 seasons of playing time? did your talents suffer with lack luster surroundings?

this kid has been dogged from day one. but has been in playoff games and played well in them. you can't have your cake and eat it to. so, pick your poison. what other options are out there for next year? Greise? glorified backup, nothing more. Mcnabb? too much money and still not great. Anderson? bears won't take a shot at him. you want to draft? Jackson and Quinn are doin' well this season. what are your options? how about further devolopment with a better offensive mind than turner's?

by coolgjc on Dec 4, 2007 10:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

so we should keep him

because everything else sucks around him and its not his fault. eventhough as you said he can't step up or scramble, and will only be good not great. what offensive mind will make him taller or elusive?

and he can have some 300 yard games with no picks along with his 98 yard games and 3 picks.

if you are going to try and sell this guy do a little better job than that.

and no my career did not somehow get me to the superbowl since we don't really have one, that's only in the National Football League. let me ask a question just as relevant as that one, do you think oranges are more compassionant than apples?

i think we are stuck with him either way, not a lot of better options out there, but to listen to some of you everyone who makes the NFL succeeds given enough time. well, some guys are busts no matter how much time you give them. maybe you give him a line and a running game and he succeds (like 98% of qb's would) or maybe he starts making the same bad decisions as he did last year, starts throwing off his back foot (like he does already) or doesn't step up in the pocket (like he has issues with now).

blame turner all you want, i don't thik he's calling any play that calls to allow pressure from the edges or up the middle.

by mike b on Dec 4, 2007 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think your complaints are valid...

but ill-timed.

"well, some guys are busts no matter how much time you give them"

True, but we've seen improvement from him the past couple of weeks. His QB rating post-benching is in the 80s and he has played some good teams. He's also handled pressure much better than before (with dumpoffs and holding onto the ball with two hands). These are positive steps forward. The question shouldn't be whether he is improving or not (That's really not debatable), but whether this improvement is something he will keep. I think it is, but we will only see by letting him finish the year out.

"because everything else sucks around him and its not his fault. eventhough as you said he can't step up or scramble, and will only be good not great. what offensive mind will make him taller or elusive?"

His protection will hopefully be better next season.
He's not immobile in the pocket...he just makes bad decisions where to move. I hope that will change in time by learning to either step up or get rid of the ball quicker (he appears to be learning the latter).

{Probably not the best support in favor of Rexy...but he seems to be learning what Harrington learned with the Lions...that it is better to take a sack than throw an interception. Harrington's INTs went down when his Sacks went up. I hope that Rex takes the next step and learns how to avoid sacks too).

I don't agree with the other guy that said he's too short to step up. He can find his target while stepping back and then step up to make the throw. He just needs to learn to do this.
I don't blame Turner for the blocking protections...I blame him for not calling better plays that put us in a position to score. The poor blocking is due to having an aging line.

by dejackso on Dec 5, 2007 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

4 games

in those games he has shown some improvement, and has also shown that he will still fumble the ball, not step up, and throw of his back foot. the improvemnet may not be as great as those who want to see great improvement think. he made bad decisions last year with better protection. i'm sure some will excuse that with being "young" and i don't necessarily disagree. even when he was destroying the league last year he was doing it with bad mechanics and questionable decisions.

maybe the improvements sticks, maybe the next time he is in an important game he shits the bed again.

by mike b on Dec 6, 2007 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough...

However, he's only fumbled the ball once since he has been back. Also, I've only seen him throw of his back foot a few times since he's been back (maybe 4) which is about on par with a lot of quarterbacks. I'm not suggesting we dub him the
'best thing ever' or anything, but he certainly deserves the rest of the season to show what he has.

by dejackso on Dec 6, 2007 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

if

rex is the only thing you can find wrong with this team then you don't watch the same games i do. you can pycho analize it all you want to. the bears will not have a great qb ever. so support the one you have that gives you the best chance. this team has always been based on other positions that arenot playing as they should. but go ahead and stay blind and pin everything on grossman. moose said the same thing tonite, rex stays at the back of the pocket cuz he has better vision there.to say grossman would falter with better supporting casts, i just don't agree. how would brady or mcnabb do behind this o line, with this running game.

let me rephase the superbowl ?. in your livelyhood, do you just go through the motions, or do you strive to be the best "insert job title here" that you can be in hopes of becoming better at what ever it is you do? or in other words do you have heart? cuz grossman has shown that he does, but will make mistakes.

i would rather point my attention towards a defense that over the last three years, carried this offense. overnight, they became ranked what 25th in the league? from in the top 7 the last 2 to 3 years? now granted all phases are horrible, but on a team that prides themselves in defense, to me that is more of a priority than bashing a decent qb who will never be the focal point of the team. did you forget the "defense wins championships" mentality?

and, where turner comes in to this has nothing to do with the way the players are playing on the field. imo he is too predictable. when something new in brought into the offense, instead of making the other team stop it, we stop it ourselves. if i can sit in the stands and predict 65% of the plays that are called what do you think a pro does? it isn't the old bears squad he coached, and let me tell you there is a reason he isn't at Illinois anymore. and what about not only rex but olsen and hester? do you think turner is using them to the best of his ability?

stop blaming grossman cuz getting rid of him will not fix this team. he is nothing more than an easy out. we have far greater issues.

by coolgjc on Dec 5, 2007 11:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

the fucking diary

is about grossman. and you were talking about what grossman was doing and how he was performing. I can go on for days about the rest of this teams issues, and if you had any reading comprehension you would have seen that. you can spout out all the crap you want now but you've already limited hs abilities severely, so you find a qb who can succeed when he already can't do the things you say he can't.

by mike b on Dec 6, 2007 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

its hard to comprehend

your spelling. the diary is about how annoying espn message boards have become on the topic of how bad grossman is, when he has clearly played better since regaining the starting job.
and yes i went off on a tangent cuz people like you are kicking the wrong fucking dead horse.

by coolgjc on Dec 6, 2007 12:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

you mean the word "his?"

terribly sorry i spelled that wrong, i guess your formatting and punctuation gave me a seizure or something.

glad you are that worried about a guy you said is good at best. i've spent all year bitching about the d and o line. those would be the dead horses.

by mike b on Dec 6, 2007 1:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ummm...

its hard to comprehend ... your spelling.

Seriously? Go back and read what you wrote.

While I disagree with mike b, the spelling/grammar in his post is much easier to comprehend than what you wrote.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Dec 6, 2007 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hey you and me both...

my point is to scrutinize a position that is not a top priority to this team, is getting old. and your right, i did say he's good at best. how long do we have to ride this one player? hell Manning threw what 6 pics not too long ago? not much was said. Grossman isn't as important to this team as Manning is in indy and everyone locally and nationaly rides him hard. always has. and if you go back and compare his stats to Peyton, and Tom,Carson,Drew,Brett, play for play, this early in his starting career, i bet you will be surprized at how close his stats are to those guys. not nearly as far away as it seems. he is not the bad apple that spoiled this bunch. and he disappoints me just as much as you. but the position could be in worse hands.

btw english professer, you might want to get that seizure thing checked out, can't be good for you

by coolgjc on Dec 6, 2007 1:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs