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QB Rating

I despise the QB Rating as a statistic.  The minimum and maximum contribution for each of the attributes seems somewhat random.  The fact that there can be a maximum is just sort of stupid, especially since that maximum isn't "100", but rather "158.3".  

Let's break it down, shall we?

Here are the components that go into the QB rating (wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QB_rating ):

Completion %
Yds/att.
TD %
INT %

Each statistic is normalized so there is a minimum and maximum possible contribution.  Here are the mins/maxes:

30%/77.5% comp %
0/12.5 yd/att.
0/11.875%
0/9.5%

Is there anything intuitive about any of those numbers?  I mean, someone that completed 90% of their passes for a game/season clearly played better than someone who completed 77.5%.  Likewise, 15 yd/att is better than 12.5.  15 TDs in 100 attempts is better than 11 and 15 INTs in 100 is worse than 9(.5).

The statistic sucks because there are fictitious limits.  Why don't they just make it one big continuum?  Who the hell came up with this?  

All of that being said, I still think it is a useful stat when talking about someone's career or season, but game to game numbers don't really need this stat.  Just put the damn line up and let people figure it out themselves.  I'm absolutely bored to death reading about the 0.0, 1.3, and 10.2 games Grossman had last year.  The chicagobears website keeps listing those in article after article and it means absolutely nothing.  You'll have a terrible line if you throw 2+ INTs and have no TD passes.  It's that simple.  If receivers drop the passes you actually get to them it will be even worse.  Big deal.  Oh, and listing the QB rating for Griese's 7 passes last week is beyond asinine.  http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=3697

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Agreed.
Ladainian Tomlinson's career QB rating is 152.1

by quartz77277 on Aug 14, 2007 5:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Comp %
I think that 77% completion is a ceiling because there are times when it's best to throw the ball away.  Peyton doesn't force it very often, and he shouldn't be penalized for not doing so.  My point is that a ceiling makes better sense than a direct number.  The same is likely accurate for yds/attempt.  If you're only completing 70 bombs, you're completion % will drop, and average out.  

I'm sure that whomever created this stat paid attention to these trends and accounted for it.  Whether the players prove the stat or the stat was made for the players I don't know.  I don't think it's a bad stat.  

When they boo you, you know they mean you. George Halas

by allhailmark on Aug 14, 2007 8:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you at least
see my point that using the stat to describe the performance from one game is sort of worthless?  The aberration of 5 drops or a pass that should have been caught and ended up in an INT all show up in the game numbers.  But, that all evens out over a season/career, which is why I think it is useful for said discussions.  
"World Champs" on 3. 1...2...3, "WORLD CHAMPS!"

by mikebdot on Aug 15, 2007 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right.
This statistic was invented by Don Smith and was never intended to be used on a game by game basis.

http://www.bluedonut.com/qbrating.htm

That's how they came up with those numbers if you're curious.

by dejackso on Aug 15, 2007 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its funny
that they mention Moose and Griese in the article, and now they are both with the Bears.

by RME JICO on Aug 18, 2007 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a weird diary
You should go back and read the article you linked. Yay!

by tyger1147 on Aug 14, 2007 11:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
it lists the passer rating for three times, once for Griese, once for Grossman, and then once for the combined group of three.  It's just stupid.  

My point about the statistic having ceilings amounts to the fact that if you put limits on the number you can't do any good data analysis on it.  SPC-style.  (Statistical Process Control).  It's bad data.  Plain and simple.

"World Champs" on 3. 1...2...3, "WORLD CHAMPS!"

by mikebdot on Aug 15, 2007 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind it but
The biggest drawback to the stat is that a QB gets penalized for throwing an incompletion in two categories (Completion % and Yards per attempt).

I think if they made it Yards per completion and got rid of the limits it would be a great way to measure a Passer's performance.

I do agree that it is pointless to use it as a measurement with a small sample size (ie. 1 game, < 20 passes, etc).

Last year with Grossman, everyone knew when he had a horrible game, you didn't need a stat to see that.

by RME JICO on Aug 18, 2007 12:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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