Bears play uninspired football, lose to Falcons 22-20
by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2008 3:43 PM CDT
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Since WCG is sick and in bed, I’m doing the game wrap up this week. Right now, I’m not going to go through the game point by point and explain what happened. I’m really too frustrated for that. Not only that, but judging from how many posts we had on the game threads, a lot of us saw the game.
Here’s what I do know to be true:
- The Bears offensive play calling (until 5:00 left in the 4th quarter) was horrid. We barely touched the TE’s until late in the game.
- Defensively, we played soft football for most of the day. There were a few moments when we played smash-mouth defense, but mostly it was soft.
- Hester is coming into his own as a receiver. He’s still very much struggling with returning.
- Why are we continuing to call McKie’s number? We’re essentially giving the opposing defense a down. Turner gives it to McKie, then gives it to Forte. It's not like we hide it.
Bottom line is that we shouldn’t have been in this game. We didn’t deserve to. Our defense played without emotion, there was absolutely no offensive creativity, and we constantly put ourselves in positions we shouldn’t have.
We can question whether or not we should have squib-kicked, why we played such a soft defense the last drive, etc. etc. We can blame the loss on Lovie, Bob, Ron, Ditka, Jesus, injuries, and whoever/whatever else we want to, but WE DID NOT DESERVE TO WIN. We played like crap today, and the score should have been a lot to a little in favor of the Falcons.
Matt Ryan played great today against our ‘tough’ defense. Give him credit. He threw for 301 yards with a TD and had our defense on its heels for most of the game.
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I suppose I should add
that the one thing I was impressed with was Orton. He did a lot of little things right and played well for the most part.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2008 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say Lovie...
Kick the fricken ball deep with 11 seconds left. Chances are small he’ll run it back, and you can leave someone at midfield. Also, if he does try to, it’ll be under 6 seconds and they won’t be able to throw a 30-yard pass to set up the field goal.
by Twins Territory on Oct 12, 2008 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My Sentiments Exactly
How can we be scared to kick it deep with :11 left? Hell, kick it high in the air if you have to, but DO NOT squib it! Just because they had a big return the last time? The clock would eat up plenty for them not to be able to get a sideline pass like they did if you kick it deep. SPECIAL TEAMS AND LOVIE SMITH is my vote! I want to just curl up in a ball and hibernate for the winter after this one…
by Bear_Down on Oct 12, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uninspired is the best way to describe it
They were flat from snap 1. And it wasn’t a game we should’ve been in… and it was another one we COULD have won.
What a frustrating season this is shaping up to be…
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Oct 12, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well not AS BAD as last season
yet..
2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..
by Chanman25 on Oct 12, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uninspired my a**
Those falcons fans were ferocious, reminded me of the metrodome, and rookie ryan fed on that. We werent flat the emotions in that building was like an avalanche. Watch the replay, any other crowd would have silenced after ortons touchdown to rashied but they got louder and pushed their team to victory with sheer will alone. We never once had the momentum. As crazy as it sounds i give credit to those fans and their affect on a rookie QB
by WavyGravy on Oct 13, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the fans are the reason we lost?
stop the play theres a bullshit flag on the field. we lost because the team on the field outplayed us.
a good team should be able to FEED off an angry road crowd, not fold under it. Not against a rookie qb w/ a heavy veteran defense.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Oct 14, 2008 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still can’t believe we didn’t have 7 guys lined up at the 35 across the field. COver 2 with 7 seconds to go??
by tfrabotta on Oct 12, 2008 4:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was fun while it lasted
This season is over. There is no way they are going to be able to come away from a loss like that and beat the vikings next weak. The team is probably morally crushed the only good news is we play the lions again. $-12 anybody
by chase17 on Oct 12, 2008 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
6 games into the season and in a pathetic division
hell no!
2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..
by Chanman25 on Oct 12, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stay off the board then
If you think a 3-3 start to a tough beginning of the schedule is bad then you’re not a real fan. The Vikings don’t scare me after barely beating the worst team in football by two points.
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by propheteer on Oct 12, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have no idea
Did you post the same thing when they were 1-2 and playing the Eagles? Get off the board if you don’t believe they’ll beat the Vikings at home. Yeah, the Queens were surely impressive beating the worst team in football by two points at home. It’s obviously a tough loss, but not the end of the world; sitting at 3-3 with more home games and an easier schedule I like the Bears chances to win the division.
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by propheteer on Oct 12, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is it with the NFC South and these Brain Farts!
Three winnable games ending in three crushing defeats. I can’t see how we can beat the Vikings after this and if we don’t; season over!
by rob in iraq on Oct 12, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
brain farts?
i guess we can call it that, but we have been outplayed in the other two nfc south games.
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The frustrating thing is all three losses came with less than 30 seconds to go
I mean they could easily be 6-0 right now instead of 3-3
2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..
by Chanman25 on Oct 12, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But we're not 6-0... we're 3-3.
Because we’re not good enough to be 6-0 any which way you want to look at it. The way we played and the way we lost today is just a perfect example of why we’re not 6-0.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Oct 12, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well the Bears were capable of winning those games
its not like they were blowout losses, they have had a lead late in every game
2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..
by Chanman25 on Oct 12, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes... exactly.
And a championship caliber team would find a way to win those games… or basically not blow those leads.
The 2008 Chicago Bears are not a championship caliber team.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Oct 12, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well considering most thought they'd go number 1 overall in the draft next year
I’d take 8-8
2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..
by Chanman25 on Oct 12, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 or 9 wins is probably what we'll get
There are a lot of things that need to be improved… in both personnel and game day coaching.
In the NFL, so many games are decided by a small handful of plays during the course of a game. And many times, in a close game, you can focus on one or two plays in the 4th quarter that decide the outcome.
Every Sunday, there are a handful of winners, and a handful of losers claiming, “we should’ve won.” The teams that call the right plays at the right time when it counts the most (in all 3 phases of the game), are the teams who win. The Bears haven’t show the ability to consistently do that. They get out-coached quite often when the game is on the line.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Oct 12, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
amen
The Bears haven’t show the ability to consistently do that. They get out-coached quite often when the game is on the line.
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think they'll win 10
just a hunch. i can’t see us regressing too much, if we stay where we are now we’ll get 8 wins, i think we’ll improve a little bit though and get 10 wins and win the division.
this is all contingent on the team remaining relatively healthy though and that isn’t looking to good right now.
by lopey986 on Oct 13, 2008 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They never made a defensive adjustment to stop Atlanta's passing attack all day long...
Similar to what happened vs Tampa. Just sitting back in their crappy zone defense giving WRs 10 yard cushions all day long, and focusing all their effort on stopping Michael Turner.
And, they continue to crap themselves on short yardage play calling: good job Turner for blowing another 3 and 1, and 4th and 1. This time on the goal line with the game on the line in the 4th QTR. He ran that stupid play to McKie… you know, the one that Carolina stuffed earlier in the year in another crucial 4th QTR situation, after the Panthers saw it two times before in that game.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Oct 13, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's how it works
its not like they were blowout losses
its the nfl during the parity era. a lot of teams lose a lot of close games. they end up doing nothing.
not sure how many people thought they would be getting the number 1 pick.
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you 100% Twins Territory..
Kick the ball the ball deep on the kick-off. Instead what does Lovie do? He calls up a pooch kick which gives the Falcons the ball at the 40 yard line. So all they have to do is dial up one long pass to get into field goal range, which Ryan did with ease. However, if we kicked it deep they would have to complete 2 long passes instead of one…. Bears Win!!
by cclune on Oct 12, 2008 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mind Boggling
I’m still sitting here in shock! Teams that lose games like this don’t make the playoffs.
by rob in iraq on Oct 12, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It Was A Squib
A pooch kick would’ve worked just as good, but the squib allowed them to get into field goal range with one pass.
How can we be scared to kick it deep with :11 left? Hell, kick it high in the air if you have to, but DO NOT squib it! Just because they had a big return the last time? The clock would eat up plenty for them not to be able to get a sideline pass like they did if you kick it deep. SPECIAL TEAMS AND LOVIE SMITH is my vote! I want to just curl up in a ball and hibernate for the winter after this one…
by Bear_Down on Oct 12, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Squib was the right call
Anyone can question something in retrospect, but the fact remains that Gould is the one at fault here. A squib kick is designed to throw off the timing of the wedge, and it’s supposed to go farther than the forty yard line.
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by propheteer on Oct 12, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't underestimate the imact of the defensive injuries.
I am not a Bab Babich fan, but I can understand why he wasn’t as aggressive in this game. With Vasher out and Tillman going down during the game, it would not have been wise to consistently bring extra men to rush the passer. Leaving Hamilton to fend for himself would have been suicidal.
The two things that bothered me most today were the neglecting of the tight ends for over half the game and Ron Turner dialing up plays for McKie. There is nothing that McKie can do that Forte or Jones can’t. McKie is a big, thick dude, but so is Jones. The Bears shouldn’t call on McKie’s number more than once a game, if at all. The coaching staff spoke about how important it would be to incorporate the tight ends because of Atlanta’s scheme and their small cover guys, yet they didn’t use Olsen or Clark much up until halfway through the second half. At some point the coaching staff needs to be shaken up. Turner has some good games, but some isn’t nearly enough.
by dakoose on Oct 12, 2008 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Turner is the goat here, along with the players, of course
Why he waited until the 2nd half to unleash Orton on the Falcon’s terrible pass D is beyond my comprehension. OK, so you try to set up the pass via the run – but it wasn’t there in the 1st half – try something else, for Pete’s sake.
by Waylon on Oct 12, 2008 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I can’t defend him for giving the ball to McKie again (why is he even on the roster?), but the offense didn’t really have much of a chance to get in a good flow early in the game. Ryan was awesome and the defense couldn’t get off the field.
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by propheteer on Oct 12, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The timekeeper
All other valid points aside, the clock didn’t start on his return for 2 seconds after he caught it. That would have chewed up all the time.
by FAQ on Oct 12, 2008 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
After the returner caught it?
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by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, the returner caught it but the clock did not start right away.
the game was in atlanta after all. i’m sure the timekeeper was trying to them just a tiny edge if they could. not the reason they lost (see: every other post in this thread) but i don’t know if they were being fair.
by FAQ on Oct 13, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop the presses
a home team got a home field advantage, holy heart failure batman!
by lopey986 on Oct 14, 2008 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just Looked At It Again
He’s right, 2 seconds. Difference in the game.
by Bear_Down on Oct 12, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only saw the first half
but as soon as i got the call that they lost i knew somethign abotu playcalling would be here.
neither the offense or defense seemed like it had a clue the first half, not sure what their problem is.
this is what 8-8 at best teams do, win some games and then fail to carry it over when it matters.
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trust me, it's probably best that you only saw the first half
Here’s a quick recap:
- Turner loves using McKie. Surprise, surprise
- Finally decided to use our TE’s. Too little, too late.
- Defense played as though they were playing a Pop Warner team
- Lovie has not a clue as to what’s going on
- Last play of the game: Some blame it on Babich’s scheme, some on Mike Brown. Regardless, we needed to play back and let no one get through our 40 yard line.
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by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
o line can't run block
everything else is pretty much moot when you’re a run team.
once again the pass defense is soft as shit.
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
3 losses
3 easily winnable games
I’m not worried. In Orton we trust.
by gobulls1124 on Oct 12, 2008 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough Loss
But Orton made me a believer today. That last drive was incredible! Unfortunately, seeing everybody cheer and celebrate w/ 11 secs. to go gave me a feeling some bull shit was bound to happen. It did
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by Acreman20 on Oct 12, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea too bad he played three quarters of shit football before that drive
by Jbasic89 on Oct 12, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you dont have much of a choice calling plays
when you qb cant complete a touch pass
by Jbasic89 on Oct 12, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
there must be a whole chapter that turner hasn’t been able to use the whole time he’s been here.
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you dont think not having a deep threat
affects our offense at all?
orton is learning on the job when we have a qb who’s shown he can do well with blocking…
by Jbasic89 on Oct 12, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Learning on the job?
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by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
both qbs
have show then can do well with blocking. and your assuming the good blocking you see now would happen with grossman playing which isn’t a guarantee, and your ssuming the protection is only a result of the oline play, which it isn’t. the quarterback has a lot to do with not getting himself sacked.
don’t lie to yourself that grossman’s problems only game when he was pressured.
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's
this thing about Tommie Harris in the poll?
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tommie Harris probably had the dumbest fumble I've seen in my life
He had the ball without anyone around. Then, he tried to get up, got barely touched, and lost the ball.
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by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It happened in the 1st half, surprised you didn't see it.
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by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he got touched?
i didn’t think he did. if he had been touched at all it probably would’ve been down by contact. i think the ball just squirted out of his fat belly when he tried to wiggle wabble off the ground.
by lopey986 on Oct 12, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was up off the ground and got touched as I recall
If he was touched off the ground, he’s not down.
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by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didnt get touched at all
he landed on it, and as he was getting up the ball came off his right side.
besides the nightmare that was this game.. is anyone else troubled by year 2 of the hush hush injury update of nathan vasher. vasher goes on radio vowing 100% to play and then doesnt…. its 2007 all over again. surgery or no surgery, pin or no pin, for some reason we never get an answer on this guy…. and im not expecting much more from this team about peanut in the next week.
some questions and thoughts:
how did marcus hamilton jump trumaine on the depth chart?
and did anyone see lance briggs this afternoon?
so a takeaway based defense generates 0 takeaways against a rookie qb…sweet.
matt ryan is a stud….
was it me or did it look like that the bears didnt have a concrete plan against the falcons in any of the 3 phases.
and once again ortons late game heroics will have everyone forgetting his horrible first half. for all those checks he was making at the line, i didnt see one play in the first half that benefited from it.
and it looked like tommie had some burst back in his step today…but not enough to suplant idoinje from the starting lineup.
by rahulsriram on Oct 12, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of Orton's problem is also Turner's play calling. Can't do much when you're handcuffed.
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by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please provide
the list of plays called in each half. otherwise you are talking out of your ass.
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming from a person who not only didn't see the whole game
but couldn’t even remember a fumble in the half that they did see, I’ll take my views over yours.
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by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so there is no list.
how about how they were different then?
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm honestly confused at your point?
I’m saying the offense’s problems were not MOSTLY the fault of Orton’s. Turner’s play calling was horrid today.
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by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty sure
that not seeing the game and just throwing shit out there would be about the same as seeing it and then saying something without being able to back it up.
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I wish I could
Problem is I don’t have DVR. Otherwise I would detail all the plays.
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by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's right.
Turner did not have a good first half. I believe he dialed up a pass play for Jason Mckie. Enough said.
by dakoose on Oct 12, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ball went to mckie
or he was the only option on the play by design?
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked like
Orton was eyeing him the whole way. Obviously, my biggest problem with turner is not that pass to McKie. Turner is often predictable and makes bonehead decisions. The call to run with McKie on fourth and goal in the fourth falls under both categories.
by dakoose on Oct 12, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he hands it to forte twice
he’s “too predictable” and if he gives it to someone else it’s “boneheaded.”
i’m still trying to figure out how everyone here knows what the play was supossed to be no matter what happens on the field.
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats simply not true.
Let me correct myself. he chose to run with McKie on third and goal, not fourth. I turned to my brother before the play and told him Turner would probably dial one up for McKie. I’m sure I am not the only one who saw it coming. It seems like Turner has the toughest time calling plays when they are in short yardage, must have situations. Sure the other defense is fired up and we don’t have a very good run blocking line, but Turner seems to have at least one universally questioned big-play call per week. I’m don’t understand why you so ardently defend Turner’s playcalling.
by dakoose on Oct 13, 2008 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not defending it
but when he does what people think is obvious and it doesn’t work he’s too predictable and when he rolls the dice and it doesn’t work he’s a moron. the analysis of his playcalling here stops at “good play, good call” and “bad play, bad call.” christ there’s people here trying to say we are doing too much or to little of something but can’t tell you how many times we’re doing it anyway.
how about instead of taking the easy way out and blaming the coaches, you ask why the o line could not get one fucking yard.
i say easy way out because people here act like if we switch out a coach we’re a super bowl team, which is 100% incorrect.
by mike b on Oct 13, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong.
McKie didn’t get the ball on fourth and goal. Forte did.
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by big_lowitzki on Oct 13, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you look,
I corrected myself right below the response to the comment you are referring to.
by dakoose on Oct 13, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
and once again ortons late game heroics will have everyone forgetting his horrible first half.
he put up a horrible 88.1.
was it me or did it look like that the bears didnt have a concrete plan against the falcons in any of the 3 phases.
once again the bears can’t sustain success.
by mike b on Oct 12, 2008 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me or is Mike Brown real soft
I just watched highlights of the game, I don’t know why maybe I wanted another punch in the gut mentally. But on that 30 yard pass I couldn’t help but notice Mike Brown had that coverage and he just kind of pushed Jenkins out of bounds. Personally I think that two or three years ago he would have dove at that receiver so that he had to hold onto that ball or it’d be incomplete. Now though, he’s older and with all his injuries he seems to have decided why risk another injury so instead of laying it all out I will just do enough to keep myself healthy but maybe not give my team a chance to win.
Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!
by GallopingGhost on Oct 12, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're Exactly Right
Mike Brown should have lit him up on that last throw and he didn’t. He just kind of pushed him out. There were a lot of things wrong with that game, but that really stood out to me. I don’t understand why he didn’t make him pay for catching that ball. Maybe he was afraid of getting pass interference called on him. But that’s what happens you are afraid to make play sor put pressure on a team.
by Subotai on Oct 13, 2008 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't he come over from the middle?
better question is why did the corner let a guy get behind him in prevent
by mike b on Oct 13, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wasn't prevent
it was cover 2. that is a soft spot in the zone pretty much all the time. the only way people will stop throwing there is if the safety starts coming up and making plays and that never happens with this team.
by lopey986 on Oct 13, 2008 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pass interference?
he got there late, not early.
and it wasn’t brown’s fault. it was a hole in the zone. brown is the deep safety, and just didn’t get up in time. i would actually place much more blame on the corner.
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by big_lowitzki on Oct 13, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corner
wrong, the corner covers him for a certain area and let’s him go to the safety. Completely Browns fault..
by tfrabotta on Oct 13, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not an issue of proper positioning by the players,
rather the problem was that the Bears even had their corner play so far up. There is absolutely no reason to be in the cover two at that point, or at least in the version of the cover two that has the front corner so close to the line of scrimmage. Personally, I don’t like the cover two, but it is their base package so i realize that with some injuries they were probably forced to stay in their basic defense. Hamilton was in a position to prevent a 10-15 yard out route, which is nonsensical. Why not allow them to throw that short of pass? If Jenkins would have caught the ball five or ten yards closer up than where he ended up catching it the field goal would have been crazy tough, even for Elam. Now could it be that Lovie called for Hamilton to play deeper but he didn’t execute properly? Yes, but with this staff’s history of bad in-game coaching, I am more inclined to put this one on the coaches rather than the player who has been here for just a couple of weeks.
by dakoose on Oct 13, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Brown out of Position
Guys I have been saying this for weeks, but Brown is not that same player. He is constantly out of position and basically cannot cover the pass. And I never see him in run support (not really his role in the defense). So what the hell is he doing?? He is constantly late on the slant play, never breaks up a pass, and plays too deep. If you remember in the first half when Ryan threw that pass in the endzone where it went off the recievers hands? That was Brown who was beat. On the last play, even though it looked cover 2, he was the only receiver out there, Why can’t Brown get there to make a play? Out of position. This has to be his last year here. He is looking Archuleta-like..
by tfrabotta on Oct 13, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a reason the position is called "safety"
It’s not Brown’s fault because they were in the cover two, and were unable to get a nickel back in there from all the injuries. Hamilton has to cheat deep cause a short pass wouldn’t have put them in field goal range. If Brown comes up, and Jenkins goes deep what would you say then? He got toasted….that’s what you’d say.
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by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown is the least of their problems
No pass rush, bad coverage, he’s just one of the gang who blew this one.
by Waylon on Oct 12, 2008 7:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
offense
I don’t have time to read all the comments, but I will say I can’t blame the offense too much for this one considering they scored on almost each possession they had. Thanks to the soft defense they just didn’t get that many opportunities. However, I do have some complaints:
- Agreed 100% on the McKie crap. If you are going to use him, quit doing the same play over and over. Isn’t the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over expecting different results? Well, other than the first time they ran that McKie play and scored, it hasn’t worked since, so change it up.
- Greg Olsen should at least try to catch badly thrown balls. The one late in the game was at his knees, but come on, at least bend down and try.
- Squib kick? Everyone seems to be in agreement on this one. We generally have one of the better cover teams on ST, so why give them good field position when the defense has been soft against the pass all day long? ESPECIALLY when you are playing with two backup CBs?
- Where was Trumain McBride? Who is this Marcus Hamilton guy? Come on.
- Defensive coaching: OK, it is time to wake up to the fact that Tommie Harris is not worth the money we paid him—at least not right now. And while Dusty is good against the run, I never see him near the QB. I liked the strategy of stopping the run and forcing Matt Ryan to beat us, but that only works if you get some sort of pressure on him. After one half of zero pressure by the front four, the coaching staff should’ve started blitzing him as that has been the only way we’ve gotten pressure all season long against the QB. Pathetic play by the D-Line. This is what truly cost us the game because as you said, we didn’t deserve to be close at all thanks to this aspect.
by a-town on Oct 13, 2008 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McBride
Well, I just read this article and found out why Hamilton was in instead of McBride. I never even remember seeing McBride on the field to get injured, but oh well.
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?STORY_ID=5244
by a-town on Oct 13, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder what the Bears’ secondary would look like with Chris Harris back there. At least we have Adam Archuleta to show for him. Oh, wait…
by Stay Chisel on Oct 13, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't make me cry :(
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on Oct 13, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
is it really necessary to keep on beating a dead horse? We made a bad deal, get over it.
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
by thecoolest on Oct 13, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still convinced it was that bad of a deal at the time
Harris became a huge playmaker in Carolina but he showed NONE of that for us… you consider it a position of depth (and who saw payne going down with a broken arm last year and manning regressing as a safety?)… Last year wasn’t the lost season it was because of the Harris deal. There were MANY bigger issues. IMHO anyway.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Oct 13, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of one big play
He certainly made one in the SB on the Colts first possession. He intercepted a ball and it definitely was a pre-cursor of things to come the following year. Why didn’t Angelo trade Manning instead?
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
i’d forgotten about that one (living in Indiana has forced me to block that game almost completely out… i don’t think i’ll ever hear the end of it from people who couldn’t have recognized Dungy before the stupid super bowl).
but one play doesn’t convice me it was a bad trade. w/ how harris developed under jon fox it looks like a huge mistake… but i’m not gonna mmqb it now b/c i thought it was a good deal when it went down.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Oct 14, 2008 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't say he showed nothing
and i’m not just talking about 1 play in 1 game. harris is a hitter, always has been. you can teach someone zone schemes as long as they have the mental capacity to learn them (i’d imagine he does since he was drafted to play in the nfl and they don’t just close their eyes and draw names out of a hat). i thought it was a stupid trade at the time and i think it is a stupid trade now. my biggest problem wasn’t even that we traded him, it was WHEN we traded him. in the midst of the preseason before any teams have sustained injuries (yeah, i’m looking at you Mike Brown) they decided to dump off a guy with starting experience in hopes the great Mike Brown could stay healthy for more than 2 games and all for a cornerback who wasn’t even that great in carolina and didn’t fit the prototype for what lovie smith/ron rivera/bob babich want in their cornerbacks.
by lopey986 on Oct 14, 2008 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i can understand that
:-)
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Oct 14, 2008 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great comeback
Even worse then when they traded him, just look no further than the backup Adam “freakin’” Archuleta.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 14, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Retort
McBride got hurt as well, that’s why Hamilton was on the field. It was reported on chicagobears.com that it was Gould’s fault for an extremely short squib kick. Again, it was the right call at the time because Norwood torched us all game. The difference is that the kick is supposed to go to the twenty or ten yard line, not the forty. I completely agree in regards to McKie. I’m not sure why he’s on the roster to begin with, maybe to block every once in awhile.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
squib
I still disagree on the squib kick. A solid kick to the 5 yard line right in the center really leaves the Falcons with just two choices—run out of bounds as fast as they can (which will burn up at least 4-5 seconds) or get a touchdown on the return. Put the special teams in some sort of prevent return defense and there’s no way he’s going the distance. A squib kick rarely gets to the 10 yard line—I just don’t see the point in giving away any yards to a team that smoked our pass defense all day long.
by a-town on Oct 13, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Invitation for a return TD
You can’t play prevent kick coverage. If the opposing team is running uncontested down the field with a full head of steam that actually increases the chances of them scoring a TD. Squibing the ball “correctly” breaks up the rhythm and timing of their blockers. It’s really not that tough of a kick to execute. Gould should give back half of his weekly paycheck for that weak attempt.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
I completely agree in regards to McKie. I’m not sure why he’s on the roster to begin with,
Did you seriously just say that?
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
by thecoolest on Oct 13, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Did you read my entire post? The squib should’ve gotten down to the ten or five yard line by design, exactly how I said.
the coolest- huh? Yeah, McKie sucks.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Yes, I read it all. And I disagreed with it. I hardly ever see squib kicks make it that far, by design or not. Not to mention you are putting too much to chance as anyone could grab the ball from the 40 yard line on, depending on how it bounces of course.
by a-town on Oct 13, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
There is a lot to chance, but so was squibbing the ball thirty yards rather then kicking it hard like so many other NFL kickers i’ve seen effectively squib the ball. If Gould at least does that it’s not even an issue and the Bears win.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or if we just kick the friggin ball
and let the players decide the game instead of our genius mastermind coaches, that’d be nice too. yeah, norwood busted a good return, big whoop it happens. you gotta hope your special teams comes out and knows the game is on the line and makes a stop, if they don’t then at least the players are to blame instead of coaching ourselves outta the friggin game.
by lopey986 on Oct 14, 2008 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
He has one game where he makes a noticeable mistake and now he sucks and doesn’t deserve to be on the roster? Come one. He’s a solid lead blocker and an ok receiving option. Sure he’s a know commodity around the league, but I’m sure other teams would love to have McKie on their team. I think this is just a case of you overreacting over a bad game.
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
by thecoolest on Oct 13, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I was overreacting over a bad game, but Turner also called his number against the Panthers too. That’s two very, very crucial points in the game and you call McKie’s number? Fine he’s a good blocker and a decent receiver out of the backfield, but by no means should he ever get the chance to rush the ball again. How about putting Olsen in motion instead of Forte, drawing out a LB or safety, and then dive it to Forte? That makes a little more sense to me.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about the o line does its job
and gets a yard?
if you have to nit pick what ball carrier gets the ball in an “and 1” situation i think its indicative of how bad your team actually is.
obvioulsy forte should get it over mckie since our oline does very little, but if this team were going anywhere you would be able to hand off to any rb on your roster and not worry about it.
by mike b on Oct 14, 2008 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one problem
A solid kick to the 5 yard line right in the center
gould can’t do this.
they should give him more money.
by mike b on Oct 13, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope
He kicked it to the goal line and inside the five at least twice yesterday.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one problem
Excellent point. But I have seen him kick it to the end zone before, and this was indoors… But, maybe I am asking too much out of a kicker.
by a-town on Oct 13, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody seen Tommy Harris??
Uh, just a question……Anybody seen Tommy Harris since he signed that fat contract……on the field, that is? Can’t even get a good rush when there’s 7 in the box. What did they say…..he needed to focus? He did! He got the money and we got screwed!!
by vetset on Oct 13, 2008 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he had a fumble recovery
and promptly fumbled it back trying to get off his fat ass, he looks outta shape and unmotivated to me. not the same tommie who was playing under a rookie contract.
by lopey986 on Oct 14, 2008 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't deserve to win this game?
What planet are you from, man? We were only outgained by 15 yards. We deserved to have a shot at winning it. In fact, if you subtract out the 26 yard pass that set up the FG, we should have won the fucking game.
Gould was consistently putting it 3 yards deep into the endzone. His leg has gotten stronger this year. If there was not a block in the back (not called because the Bears player didn’t fall down like a little bitch) on the return that was brought back so far we would have been in perfect position. Saying the players were tired is a fucking cop out. That means your players are not motivated. It’s your only fucking job, Lovie. Motivate the players to stop them from returning a kick to the 45. How hard would that really be? My god. Lovie is such a little bitch.
by mikebdot on Oct 13, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, we did not deserve to win. We got lucky as hell
Our defense played like hell all day, our offense was inconsistent and struggled moving the ball, and our ST wasn’t that great.
Bottom line: If Elam doesn’t miss the 2nd-to-last field goal, we’re not in the game anymore and that ends that argument. We got real lucky Elam missed.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on Oct 13, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bullshit argument on the elam shank
if we didn’t choke away a 3rd and goal situation on the 1 those 2 field goals still don’t win them the game.
by lopey986 on Oct 14, 2008 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm terribly sorry, I got sucked in by another bullshit argument.
But, your point is well taken. So many times we could have won or lost for both teams.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on Oct 14, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you watch the first half?
Atlanta outplayed us. This game never should’ve been close.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Oct 13, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you watch the second half?
Well, the Bears outplayed the Falcons. You can’t judge a football game by two quarters. Just ask the Panthers and Bucs who we dominated for three and a half quarters. The fact remains that the Bears had a lead with 11 seconds to go. Gould is at fault for quite possibly the worst squib kick in NFL history.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and if we're placing blame, go with the defense, Bob Babich, Ron Turner, and Tommie Harris too
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on Oct 13, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gould is at fault?
I blame the defense that gave up 301 yards to a qb making his 5th start, folding on numerous 3rd & longs, totally ZERO sacks and then GIVING THE SIDELINE in the 2 minute drill. You force a team to work in the middle of the field in that. You don’t GIVE them a way to stop the clock with 15 seconds left. Not if you’re going to be a top 10 defense like you keep saying you should be.
I don’t blame Gould for that. I doubt he decided to squib on his own.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Oct 14, 2008 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
All of that doesn't matter if...
Gould executes a simple squib. Instead he manages to tap the ball in what looked like half squib half onside kick. There’s no way they get into field goal range in six seconds or whatever if he kicks it down the field a little more than thirty yards. I have a serious problem with a well-paid kicker unable to execute a simple play.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 14, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we'll just have to agree to disgree
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Oct 14, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have more of a problem
with the coaching staff even CALLING a squib kick to begin with. we got inside our own heads and coached ourselves outta this one.
by lopey986 on Oct 15, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose
it’s not the greatest coaching decision, but I still believe Gould has to kick the ball farther down the field. Is that asking too much? I can’t remember another squib kick that has back-fired like his.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 15, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If....
You can say that about a dozen plays a game. Woulda, coulda, shoulda made that field goal. Well he didn’t, and chance is part of every game. The defense played well because they didn’t allow TDs. That’s the name of the game if the opposing QB is playing like Tom Brady. Did you happen to see some of those throws?
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was that meant to be a reply to me?
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by ChiFan13 on Oct 13, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm not sure why it didn't indent under your post.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, we can 'if' the whole game
But until the last drive, our offense showed no fire. Our defense looked like they hadn’t ever played before. ST was decent minus Norwood’s big return.
We didn’t look consistent enough to play. It took lucky breaks for us to get back into it, and even then, karma came back to bite us in the ass.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on Oct 13, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken
It may have seemed lopsided but the stats are very close, with the Bears actually having more 1st downs. Also, that’s why the game is four quarters. If you remember the Bears “outplayed” the Panthers and the Bucs, but it didn’t matter cause they made big plays late in the 4th quarter.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, absolutely
The problem is we’re not consistent in closing those games out, as you, I, and everyone else here knows.
I assume that was to my last message, so I just responded. lol.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on Oct 13, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frustrating
I agree, they’ve really found new ways to lose games. They remind me of the Houston Oilers in the early-mid ninties with Warren Moon. How can the secondary not be covering the sidelines? It’s like defensive football 101 late in the game (did the Falcons have TOs?). Someone on here suggested they could’ve put in Hester and/or Davis in nickel or dime package. That’s not a bad idea considering Hillemeyer and Briggs were out there.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There it goes again!
I keep on clicking on reply but it doesn’t seem to work everytime.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 13, 2008 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or anytime :)
But yeah, I agree with your points. It’s just frustrating….
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on Oct 13, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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