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Beating the Tampa Two = Beating the Lions

There is some irony in this article as we listen to MLB  Brian Urlacher talk about how successful the Tampa 2 scheme can be with the right personnel and how it all hinges on the rush of the front four.  The Bears weekly give up huge yard totals through the air.  Some of that can be written off to the Bears current situation in the secondary, but even when healthy there was room to throw on our defense and in more than one game the Bears have failed to generate any type of real pass rush.

"I don't think it is, if you play it the way it's supposed to be played," Urlacher said Wednesday in another conference call. "I mean, if you don't have the players to do it, it's not going to work. But if you've got the players to do it, it's going to be successful."

The Bears rank 15th and the Lions near the bottom in defense because they can stop the run.  If you look at just passing defense Detroit is 30th, but the Bears are only two spots higher at 28th, so we can't be running our mouths.  The difference between these two teams is we now have the offense that can take advantage of a bad D.

*** Another first for the Bears on a fantasy football side.

All Bears. Kyle Orton, Matt Forte, Robbie Gould, Greg Olsen, Bears defense, and whoever starts at receiver (Marty Booker, Brandon Lloyd, and/or Rashied Davis) are all good plays this week against the Lions if they are available. I'd even start Olsen in a league that treats tight ends the same as receivers.

 

 

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I have Jason Witten as my TE in my fantasy league, and I grabbed Olsen off waivers for this week.

by tacologic on Oct 30, 2008 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Forte better run wild this week.

I’m starting to wonder if he’s as good as we think he is?

I mean, I see Steven Jackson have huge games on the ground behind a really, really bad O-line. So, when’s Forte gonna step up behind this crappy line?

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Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Oct 30, 2008 9:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Im with ya man

Ive been wondering where he has been hiding lately.

What to do, with Larry Hughe?

by Rudey on Oct 30, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not Quite

The first 6 weeks of the season Steven Jackson did not really do anything. It took him three games to get his first touchdown. It has only been the last couple of weeks against Dallas and Washington that he has done anything.

by chase17 on Oct 30, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

what? forte not as good?

1.)he never misses blitz pick ups
2.)we’ve been running more no huddle lately against good d lines and blitzing linebackers.
3.)hes been a consistent threat as a reciever
4.)and after his week one perfermance, teams have been stacking the box, which has prevented the big run
5.)and finally….hes a rookie! hes the center of this offense and kyle would not be throwing like this if it was not of the threat of fortes versatility.

fortes got keep doing what hes doing…the yards per carry are going to come soon given the change in weather.

hes already exceeded expectations with his versatility and i look forward to him taking off towards the rookie of the year award, now that kyles arm is a threat.

by rahulsriram on Oct 30, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's averaging a horrible 3.5 YPC!

Last year, everyone was crapping all over Cedric Benson for averaging 3.4 YPC.

Gimme a friggin break here! At some point… you’ve gotta run the damn ball! The all-time great running backs in this game got yards regardless of what kind of line they had in front of them. Payton ran behind a number of mediocre lines early in his career, and still pot up incredible numbers… facing 8 man fronts, because he was he only offensive player opposing teams had to worry about.

Right now, Steven Jackson (not to be compared with Payton in ANY way), is averaging 4.2 YPC behind that pathetic line in St. Louis… after holding out all of training camp, and most of the season.

And yet, Matt Forte… 3.5 YPC. With his only 100 yard effort coming against the run defense-challenged Colts on opening day.

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Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Oct 30, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hah!

You’re nuts. Benson couldn’t catch or block to save his life. Forte is terrific at both of those things. For a kid just learning the pro game, he’s exceeding every possible expectation. He may not be as dynamic to watch as Adrian Peterson was last year for the Vikings, but he’s delivering an ideal performance for a rookie in this offense.

If your offense is putting up 48 points, then you don’t gotta run the damn ball.

—d

by itsugly on Oct 30, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking about blocking or recieving....

I’m talking about running the damn ball! And we suck at it.

And, to counter your argument…. RB is one of the few positions where impact players can enter the league and make a difference right away. The learning curve is not nearly as significant as it is with other positions. You take the ball… see the field… and run.

Wait till we start playing games outdoors in December… and we can’t run the football. Then you’ll all be bitching about it.

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Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Oct 30, 2008 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait

Why are you complaining?

Orton’s looking great so far, and we can all agree that our OL is not that good, even though they’ve been playing up to expectations. And yes, while Forte is averaging 3.5, that comes with other intangibles that Benson never, ever had (blitz pick-up, catching the ball, being a team player, etc.). Those things do matter. If defenses focus on stopping Forte, that’s fine. Orton has shown he can win games through the air.

At this point, I don’t care how we win. I agree that the lack of production on the ground is a problem, but I’m not as worried about it as long as Orton keeps doin work.

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by ChiFan13 on Oct 31, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm complaining because I wanna see someone run the damn ball!

I know we have a bad O-line… but like I said above, a great RB will get 4+ YPC behind a the crappiest of lines. He’s a very good football player, but 3.5 YPC doesn’t translate to greatness.

Kevin Jones is averaging 3.4 in a small sample size… and last year. Benson averaged 3.4 behind an equally bad O-line.

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Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Oct 31, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

3.5 behind our crappy line is a Godsend

I’m just not waving around my flare yet. Just like we should wait until we see a little more of the season play out for Orton’s judgment, we should wait for Forte too.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Oct 31, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

huh?
the yards per carry are going to come soon given the change in weather.

Bad weather means better ypc? Really?

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by big_lowitzki on Oct 31, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah cause thats what i meant

in bad weather theres more committment to the run especially on 3rd down. forte has a knack for not loosing yards on carries and i think he will excel as the season goes on when hes given the ball on 3rd&5/6. he’s proven thus far, that he can pick up the yards when asked in clutch situations, so i believe as the weather turns to snow and such, the weight of the offense will be placed on his shoulders.

by rahulsriram on Oct 31, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really...

How many times has this team been stuffed on 3rd and 1? 4th and 1?

At this pace, what you’re talking about will just lower is average.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Oct 31, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also...

how many times have we failed to pick up a first down and control the clock on our final possessions in the 4th QTR… with a lead… to put the nail in the coffin?

So, when you;re asking a guy it pick up yards in clutch situations, it isn’t happening on this team. That failure contributed to 2 of our losses… our defense couldn’t have blown the game if our offense could actually control the ball with the run game on their last possessions.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Oct 31, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

what about the eagles game

and many of those 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1’s you’re talking about, the ball has not been placed in his hands enough. jason mckie has gotten the load, orton checking out and throwing screens etc…

when he was given the ball late in the game on 3rd&4 against the eagles, he came through, against a good defense.

when we need a drive against atlana on the road at the start of the 2nd half we went on a 14 play drive where he was included in 9 of the plays.

and our offense is one of the leaders in 3rd and short this year and forte is a big part of that.
sure you can counter with examples im sure if you’re convinced on this issue, but i would keep in mind, fortes a rookie, with tons of upside and is an instant upgrade over anything this team has had in a long time… hes only going to get better.

by rahulsriram on Oct 31, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Eagles game?

You mean the one where we had a slim 24 – 20 lead… 3rd and 4, on our own 23 with 1:14 left to play?

Forte ran for -3 yards, and we punted to give Philly one last chance.

Yep. Clutch.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Nov 1, 2008 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Well, you think Forte sucks. From now on, you can’t celebrate anytime he has a good game or a good play, because he’s obviously not “clutch.”

Rome wasn’t built in a day, bro. It’s Week freaking 9. If you’re implying that Forte should be God as a rookie, AND you’re comparing him to Cedric freaking Benson, there’s nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 1, 2008 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

huh?

So have some critiques of Forte means that you can’t celebrate good games he may have in the future?

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by big_lowitzki on Nov 1, 2008 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

Just because I’m not wearing rose colored glasses doesn’t mean my opinion should get trashed.

Point blank: the guy’s running for 3.5 YPC. Take away the one carry he had for a 50 yrd TD, and he’s averaging a whopping 3.18 YPC!

As a team, we’re ranked 28th in the NFL at 3.6 YPC. Arizona is last at 3.3 YPC.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Nov 1, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a difference

between rose colored glasses and a stupid comment.

After going through a bunch of nameless RB’s, I don’t really know if everyone’s looking to find the next ‘elite RB.’ If we were looking for the next elite RB, we waited way, way too long in the draft to do that.

Plus, those stats are meaningless without looking at the OL’s around them. If all of those players had decent lines in front of them, Forte’s already at a disadvantage.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 1, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he sucks.

All I’’m saying is that I’m not quite convinced he’s the “savior” everyone wants him to be.

If Forte was going to be an elite RB in this league, you’d think he’d be proving it right now behind a bad O-line… like great RBs tend do.

However, on the flip side… Payton only averaged 3.5 his rookie year on about 200 carries.

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Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Nov 1, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

no i was refering to

the series directly after the goal line stand…our offense was pinned at that one and we picked a first down to chew some valuable clock. yes we did eventually punt, but that first down changed field position.

by rahulsriram on Nov 1, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

no.

Just because “theres [sic] more committment [sic] to the run” doesn’t mean that Forte will get more yards per carry. That is just silly.

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by big_lowitzki on Oct 31, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cover-2

It’s virtually impossible to get a pass rush on quick, three step drops. Teams have been utilizing slant and other inside patterns that don’t take time to develop. The front four have to get some sort of push up the middle to collapse the pocket, and get their hands up on crossing routes. Is this really that difficult to do?

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by propheteer on Oct 30, 2008 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

BTW... In case you're all concerned

Brad Maynard is “resting” this week, instead of practicing. LOL.

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Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Oct 30, 2008 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Ahhh, of course...

Does that mean we are going to see a fake punt this weekend?

Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 30, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK... to lay the groundwork for the point I'm trying to make about for Forte...

… and to get all of my bashers off my back, here are some stats courtesy of Pro-football-reference.com

The top 25 NFL All-time leading rushers… with their rookie year YPC and their career YPC. Now, compare that to what Matt Forte is doing right now at 3.5 YPC, and let me know what kind of runner you think he’s going to be. The numbers say a lot by themselves.

1 Emmitt Smith 18,355 – Rookie YPC = 3.9 – Career YPC = 4.2
2 Walter Payton 16,726 – Rookie YPC = 3.5 – Career YPC = 4.4
3 Barry Sanders 15,269 – Rookie YPC = 5.3 – Career YPC = 5.0
4 Curtis Martin 14,101 – Rookie YPC = 4.0 – Career YPC = 4.0
5 Jerome Bettis 13,653 – Rookie YPC = 4.9 – Career YPC = 3.9
6 Eric Dickerson 13,259 – Rookie YPC = 4.6 – Career YPC = 4.4
7 Tony Dorsett 12,739 – Rookie YPC = 4.8 – Career YPC = 4.3
8 Jim Brown 12,312 – Rookie YPC = 4.7 – Career YPC = 5.2
9 Marcus Allen 12,243 – Rookie YPC = 4.4 – Career YPC = 4.1
10 Marshall Faulk 12,162 – Rookie YPC = 4.1 – Career YPC = 4.3
11 Franco Harris 12,120 – Rookie YPC = 5.6 – Career YPC = 4.1
12 Thurman Thomas 12,074 – Rookie YPC = 4.3 – Career YPC = 4.2
13 EDGERRIN JAMES 11,987 – Rookie YPC = 4.2 – Career YPC = 4.1
14 John Riggins 11,352 – Rookie YPC = 4.3 – Career YPC = 3.9
15 Corey Dillon 11,238 – Rookie YPC = 4.8 – Career YPC = 4.3
16 O.J. Simpson 11,236 – Rookie YPC = 3.9 – Career YPC = 4.7
17 LADAINIAN TOMLINSON 11,201 – Rookie YPC = 3.6 – Career YPC = 4.5
18 FRED TAYLOR 10,981 – Rookie YPC = 4.6 – Career YPC = 4.6
19 Ricky Watters 10,643 – Rookie YPC = 4.9 – Career YPC = 4.1
20 WARRICK DUNN 10,604 – Rookie YPC = 4.4 – Career YPC = 4.1
21 Tiki Barber 10,449 – Rookie YPC = 3.8 – Career YPC = 4.7
22 Eddie George 10,441 – Rookie YPC = 4.1 – Career YPC = 3.6
23 Ottis Anderson 10,273 – Rookie YPC = 4.8 – Career YPC = 4.0
24 Joe Perry 9,723 – Rookie YPC = 7.3 – Career YPC = 5.0
25 JAMAL LEWIS 9,589 – Rookie YPC = 4.4 – Career YPC = 4.3

Now… taking a look at that, on 5 out of the top 25 all-time leading rushers averaged less than 4 YPC their rookie year. Out of those 5, two of them (Smith and Simpson) averaged a close 3.9 YPC.

Forte’s a nice football player. He excels at all phases of the game: run, catch, block. However… if Forte continues to run for a measly 3.5 YPC during the remainder of his rookie year, it doesn’t appear that he’ll become one of the elite RB in the NFL for the next 3-5 years.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Nov 1, 2008 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

theline still sucks

why you guys are focusing it on forte i have no idea, the line is the issue.

by mike b on Nov 1, 2008 12:38 PM CDT reply actions  

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