Don't Sell Kyle Orton Short
by Adam T on Oct 8, 2008 1:25 PM CDT
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Now that the Cubs are out of it all eyes shift toward the Bears. Not surprisingly the conversation centers on the Bears QB situation. Surprisingly however it isn't a bad conversation. And following his performance versus the Detroit Lions everybody is trying to figure out what exactly the Bears have.
It is true and definitely needs to be pointed out that Orton's best game as a pro came against the Detroit Lions, a team that in 3 games Orton has posted a 105.5 rating. But one wouldn't be giving Orton his due to not point out what he has accomplished. The Bears have been relying on the pass game much more in the last few games now that everybody is stacking the line against the run. And by and large Orton has delivered. Yes he still misses the long ball twice a game, but he is making big throws on a regular basis now.
In each of the past two weeks, Orton's arm has given the Bears an early lead -- by design. He threw three touchdowns in the first half of a 24-20 victory over Philadelphia, flawlessly executing a no-huddle offense to catch the Eagles' blitzing defense by surprise. And after feeling out the Lions on their first possession, the Bears called on Orton to throw on 31 of their next 54 plays en route to establishing a 31-0 lead.
Ron Turner is clicking his heels with glee, he now no longer has to hold back on his play calling and is trying to shed the rep that he is a bad and boring offensive coordinator (that is a different post).
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he is a bad and boring offensive coordinator
one good game against the horrible lions and a good half against the eagles doesn’t negate all the bad that he has done in chicago. i’ll give him some credit when we string together a few decent offensive outings.
by lopey986 on Oct 8, 2008 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Turner not off the hook.
Let’s face it: Grossman is the more dynamic guy in some areas. These are the areas the Turner should have already established himself in WITH Grossman, not after he got benched.
Instead he’s doing it with Orton – so far. And that is just weird.
Besides the obvious - Go Irish.
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by PopeFlick on Oct 8, 2008 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
this whole transition to orton has gone a little too smoothly. while i believe the franchise had a vested interest in seeing rex play well, lovie and turner look like they were keeping ortons seat warm while kyle worked on his game and improved from a far.
the way recievers, backs and tight ends are being used seemingly makes any grossman fan nauseous and questioning why this offensive play calling and scheming could not have been implemented at the start of 2007. Instead they elected to pound an overrated back and then chuck it deep to berrian or a seam pattern to dez.
as long as the team is winning and ortons improving.. all is good with me. but as popeflick mentioned its plain weird to give all this freedom, options of recievers and checks at that line to a guy who was running the scout team last year.
by rahulsriram on Oct 8, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't understand
the way recievers, backs and tight ends are being used seemingly makes any grossman fan nauseous and questioning why this offensive play calling and scheming could not have been implemented at the start of 2007.
how poeple can be so sure this is true. anyone have any numbers on how many times certain players were on the field? maybe grossman just didn’t throw to them. and besides:
chuck it deep to berrian or a seam pattern to dez.
that was supossed to be his strength.
we heard alot about mental midget when grossman was starting, and i don’t ever remember him having audibles to make (at least not as much talk about them as we’ve already had with orton). maybe there was some truth to that stigma.
by mike b on Oct 8, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few thoughts for you Mike B and I'm sure you'll disagree, but that is ok.
1. I think this blog is read by a lot of people and possibly Bears coaches or management. I know that sounds crazy, but so many thing we complain about get changed instantly it seems when we all agree. We ranted like crazy about screens and never ran screens the whole time Turner has been here and then we’re running screens to everyone now.
2. I don’t think Grossman had the chance to audible. He’s not an idiot, poor QB maybe, but he’s not stupid. He ran the no huddle very well and Turner would use it once and then ditch it, but everytime he ran it, it worked. Maybe they didn’t think the defense was getting enough of a rest. I don’t know.
3. I think Turner knows he could lose his job this year even if Lovie keeps it. He’s fighting to have a job and won’t have a very easy time finding another job. He’s pulling out all the stops now to try to keep it.
4. Lovie may have made him run first because of his own personal philosophy to run, run, run and was therefore handcuffed in some ways trying to please his boss.
5. I do believe all the coaches asked tough questions this offseason. Management too. They are acting very differently this year and I think it is working. They are cutting the baggage of bad draft picks, admitting when they picked the wrong guy, suspending stars, giving new guys a chance like McGowan, pulling Hillenmeier. This team is evaluating themselves more severely than in the past and making positive change. Throwing the ball against the Eagles after half time to Lloyd and the list goes on. Maybe this year they don’t think they know everything and are less stubborn to try something new and try to use unconventional thinking to make a positive change.
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by #23 on Oct 8, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
but so many thing we complain about get changed instantly it seems when we all agree.
Do you seriously think that Bears’ management makes changes because some folks on a blog wanted it to be so? Seriously?
We ranted like crazy about screens and never ran screens the whole time Turner has been here and then we’re running screens to everyone now.
Huh? Turner never ran screens before this year?
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by big_lowitzki on Oct 8, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Serious?
A little, but not really. I think it is possible, but I’m not going to say yeah definitely they do, but yeah possible. I think it is amazing how many things we see as obvious that the Bears staff seems to ignore and this season it seems that they are making many of the obvious changes that we are mentioning and some of the creative ones as well. SBNation appears very high on searches and is likely to be found by anyone curious what the bloggers say. I think that Jerry or any GM should keep an eye on what the fans are saying. Winning is a big part of the job but PR stuff should not be taken lightly.
Turner never implemented screens as a fundamental part of our offense. I wouldn’t be shocked if we ran less than 1 per game on average before this season. Now we probably run 5 per game, not counting other designed pass plays to the RB’s out of the backfield, and I know Cedric was not as good at catching out of the backfield, but Ron primarily used runs as the only option now a screen is as good as a run.
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by #23 on Oct 8, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
forte can catch
Turner never implemented screens as a fundamental part of our offense. I wouldn’t be shocked if we ran less than 1 per game on average before this season. Now we probably run 5 per game, not counting other designed pass plays to the RB’s out of the backfield, and I know Cedric was not as good at catching out of the backfield, but Ron primarily used runs as the only option now a screen is as good as a run.
that’s why
by mike b on Oct 8, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
Forte can catch the friggin ball… 10x better than the other backs we’ve trotted out onto to the field recently. That’s why the screen is finally effective.
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by SackMan on Oct 9, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as far as grossman's deep ball strength
yes, it is his strength, no doubt. but when it is 3rd and 15, it isn’t like he is going to have a lot of room to throw the deep ball.
the offense was so horribly predictable in turner’s reign as offensive coordinator. before the detroit game it was still the same ol’ shit, so i’m not about to anoint him some changed OC and a great one.
by lopey986 on Oct 9, 2008 3:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
forget screens to forte
hes got orton throwing screens to dez clark….oh im sorry gaines adams.
but 23 i think you got the right thinking here. the staff is pulling out all the stops to make this a productive season. from lovie to turner to babich, personel is being used in a way never seen in chicago. we’ve got rotations at recievers, running backs, linebackers, corners and kick returners. the staff isnt as stubborn as last year and i think they realized that with last years injury bug hitting them, they need to utilize backup players in a rotation rather than waiting for the starters to get hurt. Which is why we are seeing corey graham in running situations, nick roach, and izzy for example being used a lot more.
by rahulsriram on Oct 8, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
personel is being used in a way never seen in chicago. we’ve got rotations at recievers, running backs, linebackers, corners and kick returners.
we’ve been two running backs in some way for the last 2 seasons. as far as the rest of it, there have obvioulsy been other players in at other positions at random times over the last 2 years, so without the number of times in previous years or the numbers this year i am not sure how you can be confident what you’re saying is accurate.
i do think people are stepping up and earning rotation spots, and the coaching staff is more receptive to that than last year, now that they had a full year of seeing crap play and saw spots of it early again this year.
by mike b on Oct 9, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.00001% chance
First of all, they have absolutely no time to worry about what “hacks” are writing about their team. They would all be out of a job if they reacted, or changed their tactics because brainless fans said so. If any of us had a great football IQ don’t you think some of us would be scouts, or at least employed by something that resembled a team higher than the college ranks? Please wake up from your all night stupor.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 8, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not neccesarily
maybe some of us do have the knowledge to be in a football front office, some of us may have the knowledge to be doctors or lawyers too, maybe we just didn’t apply ourselves well enough so far in our lives.
speaking of which, i wouldn’t mind seeing some profiles on how some of the GMs and such in the NFL got into the positions they are in…like what avenues they took to get there. I know a few have started as ticket salesman for their teams and some guys used to play and that got them in the door, i think it’d be cool to hear a little more about that stuff.
by lopey986 on Oct 9, 2008 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice try George!
Do you remember the Seinfeld episode when Jerry asks George what he wants to do for a living? He says a sports broadcaster or GM. Jerry says, don’t you realize that people who work in the industry usually get those types of jobs? This is exactly the argument you’re trying to make. It doesn’t work that way. Stay off the primrose path, you’re stinking it up.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 9, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm
seinfeld makes the exact point i make…no one here as apparently applied themselves to try to get a job in said industry to attempt to advance.
i.e. no one here is working as a ticket salesmen or secretary for jerry angelo in an attempt to break into the industry (as far as i know).
by lopey986 on Oct 10, 2008 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woulda, coulda, shouda
Just because i’m good at sales doesn’t mean i’m qualified or have a chance at marketing the Bears name all over Illinois, and northwest Indiana. Half of the educated world can claim they’ve never applied themselves to their “dream” job or industry. It’s not reasonable to think someone like you or I could break into a professional sports organization just because we gave a great effort.
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by propheteer on Oct 11, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've worked in multiple industries and natural skills do cross over.
There is a learning curve, but once you know your product, you either are good at what you do or not. It is harder to get into a new industry, but if you want to talk about sales, I do believe it crosses over. But sales and marketing are very different.
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by #23 on Oct 11, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me know
I realize skills, especially sales, carry over to different industries. This doesn’t change the fact that ordinary people who post narrow-minded opinions don’t get opportunities with professsional sports teams. Please inform when you get an interview with the Bears or any other team.
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by propheteer on Oct 11, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't as hard as you would think.
Getting an interview is a totally different subject, but not that big of a deal. You may not be able to get anyone you want, but someone on the Bears staff. Not too hard. You’d be pretty surprised what kind of things you can accomplish by picking up a phone and acting like you know what you’re doing.
I do that type of stuff all the time and get free tickets to fights, concerts, and all types of events for my business. Sometimes I get in touch with CEO’s of companies, just by sending an email and leaving my phone number to ask them questions about their company. I’ve talked tot the owner of this site through email before just because I had some questions. If you’re confident and smart and clever and quick on your feet, you can get things most would never imagine.
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by #23 on Oct 11, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was a joke the first time you posted this idea
now i do think its crazy.
so many thing we complain about get changed instantly it seems when we all agree
it’s already been said below, we have no affect on the outcome, and if we did then this franshise would be even more of a joke.
2. I don’t think Grossman had the chance to audible. He’s not an idiot, poor QB maybe, but he’s not stupid. He ran the no huddle very well and Turner would use it once and then ditch it, but everytime he ran it, it worked.
you have no idea if grossman is an idiot or not do you? i mean honestly, you don’t personally know him right? why say he’s not or even couldn’t be when you have absolutely no way of knowing that? same thing with the audibling, i have no idea if lthey let him or not, but the fact it was never discussed makes me believe he did not. and it is within the realm of possibility that he couldn’t handle it.
3. I think Turner knows he could lose his job this year even if Lovie keeps it. He’s fighting to have a job and won’t have a very easy time finding another job. He’s pulling out all the stops now to try to keep it.
do you have the data proving that the play calling is different (instead of the execution) with orton under center? you guys realize the extent of the analysis of turner’s play calling mot of the time on this blog is: good result, good play calling and bad result, bad play calling? the game might just be a little deeper than that. these coaches know the players on their team 1000 times better that anyone here does, and they know the game better by at least that. there might be bigger reasons why things are different, not just some random “because” that may have now screwed “your guy.”
4. Lovie may have made him run first because of his own personal philosophy to run, run, run and was therefore handcuffed in some ways trying to please his boss.
again, are there numbers saying we are running less on first down now?
by mike b on Oct 9, 2008 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
Sometimes I just post stuff to get a reaction from people. I want to write something interesting that people maybe haven’t considered or thought of. I don’t claim inside knowedge or specific facts. Sometimes it is a feeling or an observation. Not to say this in a bragging way, but I’ve come to trust my reads on people and their motives. I’m the best person that I know at reading what and why people are thinking things, but I don’t claim that I am certain, it is just a read, like trying to pick up a blitz. You’re pretty sure you see something.
Forget that. Do me a favor and go read Layer Mayers questions that get answered on his little section on the chicagobears.com website. Almost every time he posts one of the things we talked about here first is on there. People read this site.
No stats man, don’t be so cynical. Sometimes you just call it as you see it. Some of my post was just random thoughts, some serious, some more light. Don’t worry about numbers you can agree or disagree and it is no big deal.
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by #23 on Oct 10, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m the best person that I know at reading what and why people are thinking things,
i’ve read that a person only needs to be right 20% of the time to reinforce a belief in themself that they are “almost always right”
Do me a favor and go read Layer Mayers questions that get answered on his little section on the chicagobears.com website. Almost every time he posts one of the things we talked about here first is on there. People read this site.
i’m pretty sure nothing discussed on this website has ever been earth shattering or revolutionary. when i go back east and talk to my family and friends, all of whom I know for a fact don’t read blogs, they say the same thing s too. everyone knew archuleta had to go, benson sucked, etc. this blog didn’t event the wheel.
by mike b on Oct 10, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, let's all be boring
No one on this site be creative or spark any kind of fun discussions.
- Get out Farmers Alamanac before you say anything
- Don’t ever you sarcasm
- Don’t be hypotheical
- Don’t have an opinion
- Don’t give personal insight because someone else may see the same thing and then therefore it is not insightful
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by #23 on Oct 10, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
or you could just refrain from saying the bears read every word you type because they run the ball and you typed “running the ball is good.”
by mike b on Oct 10, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least I made you laugh.
I think the Bears should score 70 points next week. Let’s see if they are reading.
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by #23 on Oct 10, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
I’m the best person that I know at reading what and why people are thinking things
WOW. Did you really say that? Did you mean to say that?
Do me a favor and go read Layer Mayers questions that get answered on his little section on the chicagobears.com website.
Yup…because we at WCG are the only one asking all of these obvious questions.
Sorry buddy, but we do not have an impact on the Bears organization.
No stats man, don’t be so cynical.Yea… how dare we ask for you to actually back up your arguments with facts.
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by big_lowitzki on Oct 10, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I said it.
- Probably shouldn’t have said it on a board because people just want to rip on each other or tear others down. My bad.
- Who cares if we do or don’t I’m just being a conspirator and having fun. I do think there are some people in media and it is possible in the organization that may read the blog.
- Most of what I say in these type situations are meant to be fun and random. If you take it seriously, then that is your thing, but I look up facts if it is worth it. If not, then I just throw out some opinions. Why would it be wrong to have an opinion? Can you tell me how I would look up how many screens are thrown per game over the past two seasons? Sometimes an observation is the only thing we have. Don’t diss people for having an opinion. If you disagree, say it, say why, but quit reeling on every person to go research something before posting. Some people post for fun and to talk to other fans and get there opinions. This isn’t our jobs.
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by #23 on Oct 10, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh boy...
First, I don’t care if you have opinions. But saying something like “The Bears throw more screens this year” is not an opinion.
Second, I never said people don’t read this site. Maybe the media does read it. Maybe the Bears organization does the same. But I can guarantee that the Bears organization does not take strategy advice from this site.
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by big_lowitzki on Oct 10, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right it is an observation, is that aloud?
If people do read it, then it is possible that they may influence them. Think about it. If an manager and a coach are split on their opinion of a situation and the manager feels that the fans see the same as him, it may influence him subconsciously to think, the coach is the one seeing it wrong. Just a hypothetical and I’m not claiming it is true so don’t get riled. I’m not even saying that it is true, just having fun speculating.
Check out how many posts were made on this. That is why I write. To get people talking and debating and speculating and sharing contrasting views. It isn’t always about pure facts, sometimes it is about community and fun.
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by #23 on Oct 10, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the comments after that post.
That is why I write the stuff. Others find it interesting or worth commenting or debating whether they agree or not. It is fun for some even if it is just an observation.
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by #23 on Oct 10, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
we heard mental midget from a disgruntled defensive coach ran out of town.
i dont have specific numbers on number of plays per reciever or anything like that but i do know that in 2007 the offense seemed to be hell bent on going through cedric benson which in my opinion contributed to the lack of producitivity of a lot of recievers like moose, davis and bradley and ultimately the fall of grossman. it was benson overkill the first 10 weeks of 2007 and lovie and turner could not take a hint.
i would just like to have seen grossman with this crew and this offensive gameplan around him one last year. the bears have been talking about how they are seeing more 8 man fronts and i can’t help but think that defenses would be scared to do so if they lined up rex under center with forte back there. but again im supporting orton to do well and am eager to see him continue too improve.
by rahulsriram on Oct 8, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont have specific numbers on number of plays per reciever or anything like that but i do know
that’s my point, you have no data to even know that grossman wasn’t getting the same play calls or that they ran too much through benson.
the bears have been talking about how they are seeing more 8 man fronts and i can’t help but think that defenses would be scared to do so if they lined up rex under center
they didn’t seemed scared to blitz the living hell out of him with those fronts.
by mike b on Oct 9, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll agree on the second point
no team will be scared to blitz anyone until he proves he can continually beat them over and over. hell, when any QB is pressured (tom brady in last years superbowl for instance) they are gonna have a rough game. rex never really proved he could handle the blitz and beat teams if they sent it, i think orton can beat the blitz due to his exceptional ability to throw the short ball.
by lopey986 on Oct 9, 2008 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have any data, but
if you watched last season and this season, the offense is definitely being ran much different. You can say it is different personal or whatever, but I say the coach is coaching differently.
Suspending Tommie Harris one week after they wouldn’t let him play when he said he could go. Pulling Hunter on passing downs, playing Grahm over Vasher on running downs.
This staff is coaching differently imho. No facts here sorry, but I see a very obvious change and the screen has never been run. Well I guess Schoop had some weird WR screens, but other than that blip.
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by #23 on Oct 10, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well we can say it for the 100th time
This staff is coaching differently imho. No facts here sorry, but I see a very obvious change and the screen has never been run. Well I guess Schoop had some weird WR screens, but other than that blip.
we now have a running back that can catch.
by mike b on Oct 10, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree and I mentioned that.
We didn’t run screens with the RB’s when TJ was here either and all teh passes I personally remember were in the flank and had no blockers. They were more check downs.
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by #23 on Oct 10, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are a few reasons why Orton is a better QB.
In my opinion, all of Rex’s deficiencies stem from the fact that A) He is short and B) He can’t move. Rex is a pocket passer without the biggest thing a pocket passer needs, size. In order to succeed as a short QB(Drew Brees is the exception, not the rule), scrambling is a must. Rex, who can’t scramble at all, is restricted to the passing lines of a pocket passer without the height to make those throws. Rex has a strong arm, but he is too limited and too predictable. Rex can go deep and is able to make the easy check-down, but unless pass protection is flawless he isn’t able to utilize the middle of the field, which is a must in this offense. This year, the team really has no legitimate deep threat, basically taking out of play the one reason to have Rex in the game.
Also, the game of football is all about predictability and the ability to do different things successfully. Why is it so crucial for a RB to also be able to block and catch the ball? Because it doesn’t tip off the defense. That is why a player like Garrett Wolfe will never be a legitimate player in this league. He is a player limited to screen plays. He is too small to run or block, so teams know when he’s in the game all he will be asked to do is catch passes. Orton offers much more “un-predictability” than Rex. He can utilize the entire field, making it tough for teams to key in on one part of his game. With Rex, if you take away the deep ball, odds are he will turn the ball over if he chooses to pass into the second level, the only level available to him once the deep ball is gone. Teams need to be dynamic in today’s league. A quarterback can not be a one trick pony in this league and expect to help his teams win games. Defenses are too damn good these days. You can say all you want about Kyle’s deep ball problems, but he has made those throws before and often enough to keep defenses honest. It also helps that he seems to be much better at recognizing blitzes and identifying defenses than Rex ever has.
by dakoose on Oct 10, 2008 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
orton
I have been more than surprised by Orton’s play so far. I still don’t think that he is a great, or even good quarterback, but he has put together some good football.
I am very interested in seeing how he progresses. Or if he progresses.
But if he can continue to move the ball, and hit the mid-range receivers, and avoid mistakes, I will admit that I was wrong and that he actually may be the best quarterback on this team.
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by big_lowitzki on Oct 8, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This line is much better than last year and there is a running game/screen game
Both Orton and Grossman would look better this year, imo, but I am totally fine with Kyle playing. One positive about Kyle is he seems to get better each game. The progress is more steady and not spurty. He looks like he is seeing the field much better and looks much more calm in the pocket. He was a little jittery looking during plays early in the year, and looks more smooth and relaxed now. I’m not talking demeaner, just how he holds the ball in the pocket. Early he looked a little nervous but still made mostly sound decisions. Forget all that. Basically he looks like he is still improving and has already played well. He just needs to get a decent bit better on the medium/long to long throws and will be a very good QB.
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by #23 on Oct 8, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orton is improving
No doubt and while he might still not be a long term answer he can certainly help this team this year and down the road if they have a high draft pick they want to keep off the field for a while.
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Fire Angelo!!
by GallopingGhost on Oct 8, 2008 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Misses two deep passes per game"
Please. Not throwing a perfect pass is not “missing two deep passes” per game. There have been some very catchable balls thrown downfield with enough touch to be caught. Forte in the endzone against Tampa was a good throw, Forte on the left sideline not laying out and diving for the ball, Hester on the right sideline in another game didn’t see the ball soon enough. Clark getting manhandled as he tries to cut back inside towards the endzone.
This is good news folks. We’re 3-2 and we’re leaving plays on the field in bunches. If we start to connect on some huge plays (like we did against Detroit) the NFC better watch the hell out because we’ll lull you to sleep dinking and dunking and then hit you in the face. It’s coming folks.
by mikebdot on Oct 8, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He does seem to have trouble
hitting Booker for some reason, their timing just hasn’t worked out well when Booker’s on the go route. Once they get that ironed out, we could be in a sweet spot.
by lindemrm on Oct 8, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree I think it is a timing issue.
The longer he plays I think the better he’ll understand the speed of each receiver, well except Hester. Who can understand how he is so fast? At least get some loft so that Hester can judge it.
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by #23 on Oct 8, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of deep balls to Hester
When are they going to throw deep to him?
Marty Booker is not, or should not, be the deep threat.
But it looks like Orton is getting more comfy going
down field, something that lost the game against
the Panthers. I’ve been happy the last few weeks.
That shot to David between the corner and safety
last week shows his accuracy is improving.
Even if the deep, deep ball still needs work.
by ethan a on Oct 9, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has been obvious for two years
It has been obvious for two years that Orton was the better option. Here is something to consider, and I think it is probably true; if the starting QB in the Super Bowl was Kyle Orton, the Bears have two Lombardi Trophies.
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 8, 2008 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that I'd go that far
He’s good but he still would have needed time to get acclimated with the position, I don’t think he could have improved this much in his second season. Even if he was in the Super Bowl that doesn’t mean there wouldn’t have been the fumbles and other miscues that helped the Colts win, maybe there would have been 1 less INT.
Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!
by GallopingGhost on Oct 8, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Execution
This is the only difference between the Bears of last year and this season. It’s not really the play-calling, but the players making plays when they count. Orton hasn’t really missed a deep ball for three weeks now, so saying he does it on a regular basis is just not true. Forte dropped a TD pass, same with Clark, and Davis a couple of different times on big third downs late in the game.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Oct 9, 2008 12:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly
people act like turner some how uncovered a secret treasure chest of plays. its execution.
by mike b on Oct 9, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Execution is getting better
But Ron Turner is running the offense way different than he did in 05, 06, and 07. He is being more creative and I don’t know how you don’t see that?
Kick it to me... I'm open!
by #23 on Oct 10, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the offense is different
but i am not going to pretend to know that those same plays, or a large number of them weren’t being called last year and just not executed. even if that isn’t the case it is far more likley the personnel have improved rather than a coach fighting for his job so he’s trying anything.
by mike b on Oct 10, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still a bit hungover about the Cubs
Now that the Cubs are out of it all eyes shift toward the Bears
But, wait till the local sports media starts covering the Bull and their #1 draft pick. Good or bad… he’s gonna get a ton of coverage.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Oct 9, 2008 1:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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