The Quotable Bears takes a night off
11/16/2008
Dear Lovie,
I have been a Bears fan my entire life. I distinctly remember watching the Bears as a young boy. We weren’t always successful, but that was ok. I loved watching my team go to battle week after week. However, something’s been different recently. I was excited and impressed with your opening comments after being hired. You wanted to punish the Packers. Those last three words will inspire any Bears fan, especially after a decade of being dominated.
What happened today?
Actually, forget I asked. I’ll answer it myself.
1) You were going up against a tough secondary. It didn’t matter if you had Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman, Caleb Hanie, or Henry Burris under center, we were in a hole when we stepped on the field. I refuse to blame you for our passing offense. But, I will blame you for our running game. We gained 83 yards on 20 carries. Really? Their defense is not known as a stout one against the run, and we only gain 83 yards? A drunk monkey would’ve realized he had a popsicle’s chance in hell at legitimately tearing apart
2) Waning minute of the second quarter and we’re backed up at our goal line. Remember? This was when either you or Boy Genius decided it’d be a terrific idea to throw the ball. Are you kidding me? Run the damn ball! The worst that happens is
3) I remember being so proud of our run defense last week. I know that
4) I'm begging you: Demote Devin Hester and give Danieal Manning the chance to return punts and kickoffs permanently. Hester has to juggle (literally) two positions, and to be quite frank, he sucks at both. I really hate to admit this, because I’m not a big fan of BigBlueShoe, but I think he was right. He’s trying to be cute when he does kickoffs and punts, and he sure as hell doesn’t deserve that deal we gave him at the beginning of training camp. He’s not being the elusive, speedy runner of old. Manning? We know he can do it, and what’s the worse that can happen? He won’t score a touchdown? Hester hasn’t done that this year either, so the shoes aren’t that big to fill. If Manning gets to the 35, that’s a HUGE improvement.
5) I know I blasted you for drafting Forte, but you were right. The kid has heart, along with an arsenal of tools Cedric didn’t and will never have. Even during that fumble for TD, he busted his ass trying to get the Packer. Thank you for drafting him. I'm looking forward to watching him progress.
Some quick thoughts on the season:
1) We are about as consistent as rain. Some games we can throw the ball, other games we couldn’t hit a receiver if Orton was driving a tank. Some games we can stop runners, some (like today) we can’t. Get the team together and do something. Anything. If your voice gets above 20 decibels, bonus points will be awarded.
2) Again, some games I love Ron Turner. After games like today, I think Virginia McCaskey would be better off calling plays.
3) Feeling the heat? A lot of us are calling for your head. I’m not in that camp yet, but you better fire your boy Babich at the end of the season, otherwise we’ll be gunning for yours. And trust me, I will be in that camp if you don’t fire Babich. You may want to rethink that
4) I hope you’re creating a draft-day wish list. OL, for starters. WR would also be a good position to draft. And any position on D. They can’t play any worse. Plus, maybe they'd play a little harder knowing that they'd actually have to work to keep their spots.
I have been one of your biggest supporters to date. When my Chicago Bears give up during games, it makes me sick. This was a pathetic showing, and you sure as hell better fix it soon. Next week would be a terrific start. Otherwise, you’ll hear voices louder than mine calling for your head.
Sincerely,
ChiFan13
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Love It - Not Lovie
Thank you so much, we as fans need to start pressuring that idoit, aka Lovie. I just starting laughing towards the end of the game just to keep sanity. My dad is so pissed, he’s in bed by 7:30, and I don’t think we have the brains (coaching staff) to turn this thing around.
Anything wrong with throwing over the middle of the field or running the ball outside the dashes? Olsen and Forte should have field days with defenses, but we’ll just keep sending Forte up the middle behind that O-line that push over a midget and send Olsen on outs all day.
Wow, what a day to be a Bears fan and watch that display.
by stumpo on
Nov 16, 2008 7:51 PM CST
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Disgraceful
There is no excuse for laying a dump like that on your rival’s home field – none. To basically give up by the 3rd quarter…I don’t care how many players around the league want to play for Lovie, it appears that his own players don’t really want to play very hard for him right now.
by Waylon on
Nov 16, 2008 8:31 PM CST
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I'm curious? What players around the league (who are not Chicago Bears) want to play for Lovie Smith, Waylon?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on
Nov 16, 2008 8:42 PM CST
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i'd love to if i were in the league
they have an attitude of zero accountability and it is a fucking country club atmosphere in the clubhouse, why wouldn’t guys wanna play there, other than the fact lovie may not be around much longer and heads may roll.
by lopey986 on
Nov 17, 2008 12:17 AM CST
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The exact opposite
of Lovie’s first contract with the Bears. He made his players work their a55es off.
Remember the days when defensive players were punished if they didn’t pick up a loose ball and run it to the endzone during practice? Those days are long gone… and so is the defense. See the correlation.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
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by SackMan on
Nov 17, 2008 12:35 AM CST
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The NFL network ran a leaguewide poll
in which they were asked who they would most like to play for and Lovie cracked the top five, along with Herm Edwards, Bill Belichik and others.
by dakoose on
Nov 17, 2008 8:32 AM CST
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not to nit-pick
but lovie has no say in who stays/gos in the coaching ranks.
by lopey986 on
Nov 16, 2008 8:31 PM CST
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i don't know the
specifics but i doubt he has zero say, maybe not FINAL say, but he as head coach SHOULD have a say on his staff.
Now, whether he would ever speak up about something…. different story
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Nov 17, 2008 4:13 AM CST
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well
wasn’t there a story regarding him wanting to get rid of ron turner, but JA basically held it over his head by saying if you want me to get rid of ron turner i’m going to get rid of (rivera or babich, can’t remember).
and yes, i don’t think Lovie will ever speak up regarding something as drastic as changing coaches…it is a moot point anyway, i can’t imagine we would fire either coordinator halfway through a season where we are winning the division.
by lopey986 on
Nov 17, 2008 2:41 PM CST
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My point wasn't to fire Babich now
it was to fire him at the end of the season.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on
Nov 17, 2008 2:44 PM CST
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oh
well my point is he needs to be fired now, on the spot, but it’ll never happen. it should though, maybe it will make some of these guys consider that their jobs are on the line and make a bit more of an effort to win some games. how you go into green bay and just look absolutely dead and show no desire to even be on the field is beyond me and pretty much goes against lovies #1 promise when he took over the bears…to dominate green bay.
by lopey986 on
Nov 17, 2008 2:46 PM CST
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Ok, so we fire Babich
Now what? Who takes over? Are they going to be any better with this scheme? We can’t bring in a completely new guy now and have him trying to change things up in the middle of the season.
Isn’t Lovie supposed to be a defensive guru? Maybe he needs to start calling some plays.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
by WCG on
Nov 18, 2008 11:07 AM CST
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i would say
fire babich and let lovie run the defense, that is what got him the head coach job in the first place and we really need to get back to basics and since lovie is hailed as such a defensive minded coach it’d be the obvious choice at this point.
by lopey986 on
Nov 18, 2008 1:21 PM CST
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The end of last season would've worked for me
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
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by SackMan on
Nov 18, 2008 7:48 PM CST
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Great Post
I say print it and mail it to Halas Hall. I just want to specify for the team: Draft OL first round (best % of it not being a bust) and go WR second round (Again, 1st rd receivers are the most usual busts) and yes fire Babich. Quickly. We need change and we need it now. Yes We Can. (Can Barack be President and run the Bears at the same time?)
Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!
by GallopingGhost on
Nov 16, 2008 9:17 PM CST
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you do realize
we just drafted an OL in the first round and he hasn’t even been on the field to help us this year, no way do they go OL 2 drafts in a row. i’d go for receiver or safety honestly.
by lopey986 on
Nov 17, 2008 12:18 AM CST
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you know, when i was a kid
i wrote a very similiar letter to the bears, hoping that my new found cursive script would inspire dave w. to read and take notes.
the bears proceeded to send me a pack of upper deck cards, a bears car sticker and a letter that talked about how much management appreciated my enthusiasm.
i think if you would send this in, lovie and crew might do the same.
by rahulsriram on
Nov 16, 2008 9:59 PM CST
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Are you serious?
If that’s the case, I’m definitely going to do it.
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by ChiFan13 on
Nov 16, 2008 10:08 PM CST
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yeah
the letter was generic but whatever. i remember feeling pissed because i was expecting a response from dave w but the sticker made up for it.
maybe npw lovie will send a car sticker with him and babich doing shots.
by rahulsriram on
Nov 16, 2008 10:42 PM CST
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hahahaha
The letter is in an envelope addressed to Lovie Smith. If I get a car sticker out of this, it’s totally worth it. Thanks for pointin me in the right direction. lol
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by ChiFan13 on
Nov 16, 2008 11:29 PM CST
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I wanna car sticker too...
Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!
by GallopingGhost on
Nov 17, 2008 12:30 AM CST
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I want to send them a letter....
…..but I’m afraid the Bears would send the police with what I really want to say to them!
by rob in iraq on
Nov 17, 2008 5:46 AM CST
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bench some players
You talk about benching Devin Hester, but not the defensive players? I’ve actually been in the “bench Hester” camp for a while now, but the last couple of games he’s actually tried on a few returns (but not on most, I’ll agree). If it wasn’t for Hillenmeyer being retarded with that illegal block in the back (how many times can we get called for this anyway?) he at least had one solid return today. But, regardless, it is time to bench everyone on the D-line, except maybe Alex Brown. Israel Idonije should be a starter for sure, and probably Marcus Harrison. The Oklahoma duo just isn’t getting it done. I suppose Tommie would cry if they benched Dusty though…so maybe we’ll just bench Tommie. Lovie keeps telling us it isn’t the scheme, it is a lack of execution. Well, time to put your money where your mouth is and make some personnel changes then. It is either that or the scheme (which I think is more of the problem to be honest). Like WCG said, our corners are big and physical, why don’t we let them play like it? I remember the days when Tillman got to be physical…
by a-town on
Nov 16, 2008 11:49 PM CST
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Cant help but tell you
Huge fan of you guys and My Bears. I have been watching alot of film lately in that I lost my job and found that babich has only six different blitz packages whereas Rivera has somewhere in excess of 15. It blows my mind that in a scheme that relies on pressure has so few blitzes and formations and that they are so incapable of adjusting to the opponents gameplan. So I am an avid supporter of trashing babich and thought that before Lovie was our coach, the Rams lead the league in takeaways that year. So since Lovie don’t know shit about the O then let him call the plays on D
by scespy12 on
Nov 17, 2008 1:28 AM CST
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Wow....well, good information to have
Not surprising, but good nonetheless.
After having a night to sleep on it, I’m still all for getting rid of Babich.
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by ChiFan13 on
Nov 17, 2008 9:40 AM CST
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Anyone notice how much Chargers D has improved under Chico?
Babich is a moron to say the least. And Lovie may be the worst offensive coach I have ever seen. It was obvious after the first drive that Orton should not have played today and was rushed back. At the least Grossman should have started the second half. It’s tough to argue putting in someone who is 3-0 against Green Bay in Lambeau in for an obviously hurting QB who was completely ineffective and completed one pass to a wide reciever all day (8 yard completion to Brandon Lloyd). I do think Orton should be the starter but he isn’t proving anything to anyone coming in and playing hurt. It’s not tough, Kyle. 37-3…. give me a break. As for the defense…. there is not much to say. The defense has been healthy for a few weeks now and it seems that they are only getting worse. Babich really needs to try a completely new defense as the Cover 2 is a scheme that worked great earlier in the decade when it was first used under Dungy in Tampa Bay, but since offenses have started to become more pass oriented and seen the defense over and over again on tape it’s weaknesses have become so obvious that just about any QB in the league can run a potent passing attack against us. Luckily we have St. Louis next week so I suggest Orton rest up because playing hurt isn’t helping anything.
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on
Nov 17, 2008 1:56 AM CST
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it has?
Anyone notice how much Chargers D has improved under Chico?
SD had one of the best defenses in the league before Chico arrived.
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by big_lowitzki on
Nov 17, 2008 8:24 AM CST
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Chargers
were not having a good year defensively this season before Rivera took over…
I haven’t paid close enough attention since he took the job to notice a difference.
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by thecubreporter on
Nov 17, 2008 1:20 PM CST
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He's simplified the system
but they’re not dramatically better. Losing Merriman was really hard on them.
I do miss Chico thouugh. At least someone sounded like he’d grab you by the facemask and kick some ass.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Nov 18, 2008 12:35 AM CST
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more...
The Chargers are currently:
19th in points allowed
27th in total yards allowed
So how has that defense improved?
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by big_lowitzki on
Nov 17, 2008 8:27 AM CST
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since hes been promoted to defensive coordinator is what i should have said....
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on
Nov 17, 2008 12:07 PM CST
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hmm...
That would be all of two games. Against a bad Chiefs team and a somewhat struggling Steelers team.
But sure… go ahead and do some great analysis off of those two games.
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by big_lowitzki on
Nov 17, 2008 12:38 PM CST
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actually
i think it does mean something. He held a good team in the steelers to 11 points on the road and from what ive read, riveras made some significant changes to the use of their pass rushers and corners. and if you watch the chiefs, they’ve been playing better with thigpen in the last few games, so it wasnt as easy as most think.
babich cant shut down anyone. lets not forget the 23 point lion second quarter and the vikings going up and down the field. babich has had 26 games to get this right and he hasnt……advantage rivera.
by rahulsriram on
Nov 17, 2008 3:24 PM CST
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Steelers and Chiefs
26th and 27th ranked offenses by Football Outsiders going into the week…..
yeah, not impressive…
they actually held Steelers to 9 pts, Steelers scored on a safety…
but Babich still sucks
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by thecubreporter on
Nov 17, 2008 3:50 PM CST
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Luckily we have St. Louise next week?
I don’t think you can say that about any team the Bears face. I think the Rams are saying luckily we have the Bears next week.
by McRipper on
Nov 17, 2008 8:50 AM CST
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Greatest Post Ever
Sums up how pretty much all of us are feeling. We’re a .500 team that could win the division but part of me feels like the season is over already. That no matter what the coaches or players say nothing will change and we will not make the playoffs.
If things came easy, then everybody would be great at what they did, let's face it.
Mike Ditka
by Ditkavsworld on
Nov 17, 2008 1:08 PM CST
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That wasn't the Bears playing out there, THEY WILL BOUNCE BACK
That was a different team one that as fans we are not too familiar with. They didn’t make aggressive plays on defense to get picks against the Packers like they usually do, with the exception of Urlacher, and they didn’t rattle the quarterback and the line of scrimmage. It wasn’t Bear football. It was mentally off, its like they weren’t out there.
Whatever is happening it is definitely mentally affecting them because the players were speechless after the game. They need to regain focus and remember, most importantly honor, the sort of run stopping defense they really are, which is dominant. They need to regain control of their running game and I don’t think Forte is the problem because that kid is a talent unseen in Chicago since Thomas Jones, Neal Anderson or Walter Payton.
The talent is there and the personnel, especially on defense, is there and has a deep track record. The problem is they just choked, much like White Sox fans saw their team choke several times yet managed to avoid being knocked out of first place. I think thats the type of team the Bears are, a shaky division lead team in a below average division. They will return to their style and regain their composure with the Rams and Vikings coming up and Kyle Orton will get healthier. But the division lead will be lost and be on shaky grounds over and over again only to fall into the Bears hands out of default. The piss ass poor pass defense will be the reason that the team won’t be able to hold onto their division title just like the pass defense has let them down time and time again.
by Oso Monstar of Midway on
Nov 17, 2008 5:51 PM CST
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My three suggestions:
1. Get a better GM
2. Get better coaches
3. Get better players
Who wants to go after Matt Cassell this off-season?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on
Nov 17, 2008 6:36 PM CST
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My response.
1. I do not believe that will happen. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that the only person who can fire Jerry Angelo is Virginia McClaskey? If that is the case I do not see that happening, I can only imagine the lack of influence or even enthusiasm she has towards the Chicago Bears. She is very old…no disrespect to the Halas family. Angelo does have a knack for choosing defensive players in the draft though. I believe he should step in and fire Babich now, but I’ve been pitching that for the past day now all over the place. Let lovie run the defense for the rest of the season, he used to be praised on his ability to do just that.
2. Fire Babich, Allow Lovie to coach awhile longer but make sure he knows he needs to step it up, let Turner run the offense now that Orton allows him to be more creative…but make sure he knows he also needs to step it up.
3. We have great players. Bolster the WR, OL, and CB positions. I am also all for Hunter Hillenmeyer to be replaced and please not by Nick Roach. I have been disappointed in Robbie Gould and Brad Maynard’s play this season. Gould does not have a leg that can get us a field goal over 50 yards consistently and his kickoff attempts have been pathetic. Maynard seems to be losing his knack on punts as well. Maybe draft or pick up some fresh legs.
I believe we have a great, smart quarterback in Kyle Orton and he deserves to be our starter. He has passion and has dedication to our organization. He shows that he wants to be a Chicago Bear and thats what I appreciate in our players.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on
Nov 17, 2008 10:32 PM CST
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a few things i disagree on
“we have great players”
seriously? who would you define as great? maybe Lance Briggs, but other than that i’m not willing to call any of these guys GREAT anymore. lach is old, mike brown is old, tommie harris isn’t doing shit, ditto for our ends. seems a lot of these core players we were so content on shelling out big money to have gotten soft (i blame lovie for some of that) and now that they got their contracts they aren’t content giving 100%, they go closer to 70 or 80 and really don’t seem to give much of a shit (other than mike brown who was absolutely hilarious in his post game interview). as far as offense, no one is great, not even forte. hester is playing like a chicken shit, i wish they’d pull his ass from the return game already and put manning in there.
honestly, everyone will probably laugh, but i wish rod marinelli were on this bears staff right now. he may be the head coach of an 0-10 team, but a lot of that is due to the fact that his players are so freakin’ shitty, but he seems like the type of guy who can light a fire in someone who has a little pride in themselves (i don’t think anyone on the lions does, at this point).
by lopey986 on
Nov 18, 2008 4:15 AM CST
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I guess if it were up to you we should get rid of everyone?
and the rod marinelli comment was just plain ignorant. Our coaches aren’t doing their jobs but I’d NEVER want that deformed leprechaun coaching my team.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on
Nov 18, 2008 10:18 AM CST
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not saying i want him as the HEAD COACH
but i’d like someone who shows a little bit of passion to be on this staff. have you ever seen lovie react in any way whatsoever? everytime i see him on the sideline he has the same dejected look on his face, which is probably the very reason the defense got soft.
by lopey986 on
Nov 18, 2008 1:22 PM CST
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I do agree
that lovie has the same face whether we’re winning or losing and his passion is lacking completely, I am all for a change. That passion is what I am looking for in the leader of this team as well, that is why I suggested bring Singletary back to the Bears if the 49ers don’t offer him a position, even if he was our defensive coordinator I am confident Chicago is exactly where he would bring back his “Samurai Mike” mentallity the best.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on
Nov 18, 2008 4:42 PM CST
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Orton is not great. And he only "deserves" to be the starter because no one is better.
I appreciate good players. I think it’s sad syndrome of Chicago fans that they would rather have a mediocre team of guys they like than a great team w/ a few jerks on the team.
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by tyger1147 on
Nov 18, 2008 9:08 AM CST
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Its not a "rather"
its a if we have to have a team that sucks or is mediocre, I’d like to have some characters who at least look like they’re awake on the sideline or can give an interview without playing the “us against the world” card, when in this town we don’t ask for anything unreasonable: play hard, beat the packers and tackle.
thats not too much to ask is it?
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Nov 19, 2008 1:07 AM CST
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Seriously??
Matt Cassell is a career backup and is a one year itch ala Derek Anderson if you are so intent on getting a new QB then maybe you should draft the right one and dont tell me Gram Harrell because hes a system quarterback! Paying Matt Cassell 35 mil for him to suck it up like at the beginning of the year, in Ron Turners Offense? Ridiculous! Kyle does every thing we asked of him and more provided he gets healthier and plays like earlier in the year the he deserves the money. and we just need a better line to block for him maybe draft a right tackle and move st clair over to left guard and a project center/guard for the future!
Anyone with me there?
by scespy12 on
Nov 17, 2008 10:34 PM CST
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Yes!
The only QBs I would want the Bears to even REMOTELY consider would be Colt McCoy or Nate Davis. Davis might have to be a bit of a project player for down the road but I am with you that Orton seems to be the real deal. He was supposedly the steal of the draft three years ago and people said he needed a couple years and now the organization can reap the benefits of actually being patient with a QB for a change!
Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!
by GallopingGhost on
Nov 18, 2008 12:59 AM CST
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Orton is great?
Is it all those “good” games against the weakest pass defenses from the first part of the year that have you mesmerized? The Bears have had a few games against good pass defenses, and Orton has “managed” the game, at best. Luckily, the Bears only face one more stout pass D, but don’t let that fool you into thinking he’s anything than a game manager or care taker.
And shut up about Graham Harrell. Don’t create Straw Man arguments. It’s lame.
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by tyger1147 on
Nov 18, 2008 9:01 AM CST
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My fault. that was meant as a reply to above
the last part stands. plus, i see no market at all where matt cassell gets 35 million. stop w/ the straw man arguments.
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by tyger1147 on
Nov 18, 2008 9:06 AM CST
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Eh, he has a point
- Graham Harrell IS a product of Tech’s system. Point-proving time: Who knows where Colt Brennan is? Is he starting?
- What about Matt Cassell? He’s not that great….if you’re having problems with Orton, you’d tear your hair out with Cassell.
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by ChiFan13 on
Nov 18, 2008 9:23 AM CST
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i would...
… probably take Cassell over Orton.
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by big_lowitzki on
Nov 18, 2008 10:42 AM CST
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Really?
Cassell is more athletic but I don’t see anything other then run that he does better than Kyle. Kyle makes quality reads, knows the system and uses all the recievers without making the “OMG wtf was that” mistake. And before he got hurt he was growing into something good (I thought anyway, I admit I’m biased. I’ve watched and cheered for Kyle since college.).
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Nov 19, 2008 1:10 AM CST
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brennan
is in washington, number 2 behind campbell.
by lopey986 on
Nov 18, 2008 1:23 PM CST
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My point exactly.
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by ChiFan13 on
Nov 18, 2008 1:32 PM CST
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your point is what?
that brennan is a rookie? good point. can’t evaluate the guy after 10 games that he hasn’t played because he is behind a pretty good qb.
not sure why everyone expects a ben roethlisberger/matt ryan rookie year outta all these qbs. a good time-frame for evaluating most players is considered about 3 years (depending on injuries and playing time) and i’d say for QBs it’d be closer to about 5 years since it is obviously the most difficult position to play in the nfl.
by lopey986 on
Nov 21, 2008 4:08 AM CST
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What's his point?
Who the fuck cares about Harrell? I didn’t mention him. He might as well say, “Who ya gonna get, Craig Krenzel?” It’s a straw-man argument: where you create a ridiculous point that is easily refuted that has no relation to what the argument. It’s stupid.
Cassell… okay. There’s an argument to be made. How about this one: for someone who hasn’t started a real game for 7 years, he’s proving just as competent as Kyle Orton.
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by tyger1147 on
Nov 18, 2008 1:53 PM CST
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GAH!!! You bit the fake on the Straw Man!!!!!
And you created a new one!
Here’s your arguments: Graham Harrell Sucks. So does Colt Brennan. Therefore, the Bears shouldn’t try to get a better QB other than Kyle Orton.
WTF?
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by tyger1147 on
Nov 18, 2008 1:54 PM CST
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Not at all
I’ll break this down, since you are clearly having issues with rhetorical fallacies:
- Graham Harrell IS a product of Tech’s system. Point-proving time: Who knows where Colt Brennan is? Is he starting?
What of that says anything about the Bears quarterback? Create something and get back to me.
- What about Matt Cassell? He’s not that great….if you’re having problems with Orton, you’d tear your hair out with Cassell.
You’re also forgetting (or choosing to forget) that Cassell is essentially left with the majority of the Patriot’s Super Bowl team last year. Again, I never mentioned anything about the Bears quarterback position. Put Matt Cassell on the Bears and let’s see how he does. I’d LOVE to hear you complain once he falls flat on his ass because bottom line: we have no offensive playmakers.
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by ChiFan13 on
Nov 18, 2008 2:03 PM CST
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Oh Snap...
You win one free internet sir! Well played!
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by GeauxBears on
Nov 18, 2008 3:22 PM CST
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can we talk about how lame the
“product of the system” argument is? Brady’s a product of Belichick’s system, does that make him less great? Manning is a product of Moore’s system…
The key is to have a system and adapt it to your personnel’s strengths. Something I don’t think I’ve seen this staff do, ever.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Nov 19, 2008 1:12 AM CST
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Very true, and that's fine in the NFL
But it’s horrible for projecting talent from the NCAA to the NFL.
Otherwise, yeah. I agree with you. We like to stay middle-of-the-road, static emotions, no changes are necessary, etc. etc.
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by ChiFan13 on
Nov 19, 2008 9:28 AM CST
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Its hard to predict all the spread qbs to the next level.
I think thats a huge reason for Matt Ryan’s early success, he ran a full pro-style offense at BC and the windows and stuff may be smaller at the NFL level, but the reads are still the same.
I’m just bored the “oh, he’s just a product of the system”… regardless of the system it still needs to be executed.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Nov 19, 2008 9:32 PM CST
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Well yes, again, I agree with you
But it’s still a valid argument.
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by ChiFan13 on
Nov 20, 2008 11:17 AM CST
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Ah someone else
who has noticed that Orton has fattened up on some weak defenses
but I disagree about Cassell right now, he actually is rated lower than Orton by Football Outsiders. But if he keeps showing improvement over the rest of the year, it might be a good option.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb
that all being said, I think Orton is signed for $695,000 next year, doubt the Bears will spend more for an upgrade. Small chance McNabb gets released which would be sweet. Maybe the Rams will dump Bulger, who is having an awful year, but once again, I doubt the Bears will be interested.
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by thecubreporter on
Nov 18, 2008 3:25 PM CST
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I take the Bulger
part back…he’s had 2 bad years in a row, that smells like a trend.
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Nov 18, 2008 3:29 PM CST
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A lot of QBs can look great
with Orlando Pace, Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, and Steven Jackson playing at the top of their game.
But, can you look good without any of those guys? Bulger looks like crap.
Orton’s actually looked pretty good without a LT… and, forced to throw the ball to the likes of Brandon Lloyd, Rashied Davis, Marty Booker, and Devin Hester. Give him a real offensive line, and a solid #1 WR… and he could probably win a lot of games.
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by SackMan on
Nov 18, 2008 7:55 PM CST
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Cassell has superior talent, bar none
This part of the Bears QB debate is seemingly left out of the most conversations. Besides Olsen, who hasn’t yet matured into one of the best TEs yet, the Bears offense can’t hold a candle to the likes of Randy Moss, Welker, and surrounding talent that Cassell has. Just look no further than the best QBs in the league….Romo, Cutler, Manning(s), Warner. What’s the common theme? They have the most talented receivers in the league!
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by propheteer on
Nov 19, 2008 10:42 AM CST
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Pro bowler
Does anyone know the last time the Bears had a Pro-bowl receiver, tight end, or running back?
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by propheteer on
Nov 19, 2008 10:46 AM CST
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Here ya go... the last Pro Bowl Appearances for WR/TE/RB
Marty Booker- WR, 2003
Desmond Clark- TE, 2006
Neal Anderson- RB, 1991
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by GeauxBears on
Nov 19, 2008 5:22 PM CST
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In essence
Clark is the only one during Turner’s second tenure. That’s a pretty horrible list. Only three offensive skilled players in 17 years!
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by propheteer on
Nov 19, 2008 6:11 PM CST
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