2009 Draft

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by vabear on Nov 24, 2008 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

1) OL. Wouldn’t mind taking another OL with our top pick.
2) WR if we’re not gonna go get a true #1.
3) Anywhere on defense, but DB, S, and OLB would be ok.
4) A fullback whose name isn’t Jason McKie.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 24, 2008 5:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Really?

What do you have against Jason McKie? You talk about him like he’s some kind of incurable disease.

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by thecoolest on Nov 24, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think this has been one of his better seasons.

I mean, I’m sure Forte isn’t complaining. I thought Lousak Polite or however you spell it did awesome in preseason for us. I would have loved to of seen him get a chance, but ultimately I think our coaches like to stick with guys who have more knowledge of the system then need training but have maybe better upside.

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by #23 on Nov 24, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Have you watched the games?

He is slow and lumbering. He’s like a big ox.

I don’t really have a problem with McKie per se, I have a problem with Turner calling plays that involve McKie running the ball on short yardage situations. So, because I hate Turner calling plays that involve McKie, I hate seeing him play.

Find an Alstott….big, quick fella.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 24, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you mean...

He is slow and lumbering. He’s like a big ox.

So basically you don’t like him because he is a fullback?

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by big_lowitzki on Nov 25, 2008 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's a huge generalization big....

What about Mike Alstott? See the GB game last night? Their fullbacks are athletic. Something McKie isn’t.

If you’re gonna try to turn a phrase on someone, at least make sure that it makes sense.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 25, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

McKie is a decent fullback,

But he does carry the ball too much in short-yardage situations. He is not light on his feet, and not strong enough to push a stacked-up line of scrimmage 2 or 3 yards down field… an ideal fullback in short yardage situations will need to have one of those two attributes to compensate for being big and slow. McKie is an asset to the team, but doesn’t display enough brute strength to carry the ball effectively.
But the references to Alstott… he was unreal, and talent like that doesn’t come along too often, so it would be next to impossible to find a hybrid fullback/tailback of his caliber anytime soon. Daryl Johnston (sp?) comes to mind, but those guys aren’t folks you can just “go out and get”

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by GeauxBears on Nov 25, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have nothing against McKie

but he isn’t getting any younger and I wouldn’t be upset if we added someone like Fui Vakapuna or Ogbonnaya from Texas both are very athletic for fullbacks. Too bad we didn’t get Schmitt from West Virginia last year that guy is a beast.

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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Nov 25, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I give you that on Alstott

But it isn’t hard to find an athletic fullback. It really isn’t. Look at GB. McKie is slow and isn’t that strong compared to what he looks like.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 25, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not Really Hard

I am an Oklahoma Sooner fan and Matt Clap their fullback is a beast, I have seen him take the ball on 20 yard gains, receive the ball out of the backfield and make people miss plus he is a great blocker. It may be hard to find guys that are as dominant as Alstott was but those kind of fullbacks are not that hard to find. And you could also talk about the fullback at USC who I say pull down a reception 30 yards down field against a good Arizona defense.

by chase17 on Nov 25, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

come on

It is a generalization that is true.

Most fullbacks are relatively slow and lumbering and like big oxes. Otherwise they would be running backs.

Are there exceptions? Of course, but, for the most part, fullbacks are not typically described as “athletic.”

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by big_lowitzki on Nov 25, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Alright, let me sum up my position better

1. Over 50% of fullbacks in the NFL today are slow, lumbering oxes. But, I think we’re entering in a phase of a hybrid FB/RB, like GeauxBears stated.

2. If we’re going to continue using Turner’s scheme, we need a fullback that can block, run decently well, and catch. McKie can do the first and the last, but since Turner runs with McKie in big situations, he NEEDS to get a FB who can actually run. McKie is not a powering individual; when he runs into a line, he goes backwards, not forwards.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 25, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't remember what picks we have this year, but off the top of my head

1. OG
2. DE
3. WR
4. CB

That would be how I would pick in the top 4 rounds, but I say that knowing nothing about what positions are deep or anything like that. I’ll start trying to get a better feel for it when I can read up more on the players.

Priorities
1. The pass rush is super important moving forward. Although Tommie Harris is not meeting expectations, overall I think Dvoracek and Harrison have done decent. Still not a lot of pressure but good run stopping abilities. The edge is where I think we are suffering on pass rush the most.

1. Rebuilding the line is the other #1 priority. Kruetz, Tait, and Garza aren’t getting any younger. Each year we should make it a goal to have a guy drafted who should push to start within 2 years.

2. Level 2 priority would be trying to acquire a number one or number WR. Currently we have don’t have a one or a two. Here I think it would be worth it to make a trade for this pick to get a solid guy or to try to sign a free agent, but if those options are too costly and we’re feeling lucky, we should go to the draft. No one was drafted in the first round this year and several quality guys came late last year. I think we should consider drafting one early and one late. That is assuming that Bennet is not very good since I don’t think he has even played this year. I’m hoping for a tall fast WR since we have a bunch of average to short WR’s.

2. This priority is just as high and that is a CB. Now granted we do have Bowman on IR and McGowan out as well, but we need to see Vasher as done in my opinion. Trade him for anything or cut him. He’s too expensive. That money could be better used on a FA lineman or WR. I love Nate and think he is a swell guy, but it is time for him to move on. The paycheck is too high for him. Now if he’ll restructure, maybe he could be a nickel, I don’t know, but I doubt that happens.

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by #23 on Nov 24, 2008 5:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

We just need to decide what we're gonna do

Honestly, I’d rather they give the #1 pick away for a top receiver.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 24, 2008 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, there are a lot of if's, and's, and but's

Pass rush needs to be improved dramatically. I we’ll see our corners do much better when the QB’s are more uncomfortable, but Vasher getting all that cash and being a backup is not good at all. Adawale may be getting old, Brown and Anderson are young, but I’m not sure Anderson will ever be good. We need 2 good pass rushers on the edge. If we get a good pass rush, you’ll see a few more fumbles from the QB, definitely some more incompletes and ints then we even already see, and get the defense off the field faster. A sack on third down means punt. A sack on second down could setup third and long and a punt. That kind of stuff.

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by #23 on Nov 24, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd love to see Vasher leave

Don’t need to keep payin the man when he’s consistently injured. DE is a need, but how far up do we draft? I think we have some other pretty pressing issues.

Gonna be here on Sunday night?

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 24, 2008 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ehhh, I doubt it, but maybe on Sunday night.

Besides OL what would you put ahead of DE?

Maybe CB or WR, but I think you can find a couple solid WR’s that are #3’s maybe #2’s and get them for a good price. This year we have done it with all #3’s in my opinion and look ok. Improve that line and the offense will get a little better.

Our big problem is defense. We have to be able to shut teams down and dominate. I think all the pieces are close, but the missing element is depth at CB and the pass rush. We have several young guys who have done decent at CB, so I dropped that lower. Plus a pass rush will make our CB’s look better than they are this year. Take St. Louis for example. Good pass rush and good secondary. Of course it was the Rams, but we haven’t had any other games with a good pass rush to point too.

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by #23 on Nov 25, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My concern is more with the offense

I mean, Orton’s done pretty damn well with a crappy OL and a WR corp that really doesn’t have a #1 or a #2. We have Forte, but we need to get a better supporting cast around Orton.

I’m not too willing to waste picks on the defense yet. I think part of it (look at Wale’s comment) is Babich’s scheme and apparent lack of coaching.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 25, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Babich has done well

But these players aren’t playing well. Again back to the pass rush, there isn’t one. That front four has sucked it up. Urlacher has had a drop off but is still valuable, Briggs has done well, Mike Brown has mostly done well, but has made some critical errors earlier in the year. Payne has been great, Tillman has been solid considering all the pain he’s playing through with 2 bad shoulders, Vasher has stunk it up, Grahm has been solid and still has upside. BMac was playing really well before the injury, DManning is a servicable backup. We have no idea on Bowman.

Back to the pass rush. Adawale is getting older and needs an understudy. Brown is solid, but not feared and never will be. He has plateaued. Anderson is still in regression. It is looking more like 06 was lucky than he is actually good. Tommie Harris is hit or miss, Harrison is solid with upside, Dvoracek is solid but has been much of a factor in pressuring the QB. We need a superstar pass rusher. I don’t care if it is DT or DE, but no one on our line is putting fear in to teams preparing right now.

I know everyone knows this, but I’m going to state it anyways. Here are some of the benefits of sacks and hurries:
- if a sack creates second and long and third and long, or 4th down and punt.
- causes the QB to get rattled on plays without sacks
- can lead to QB fumbles
- helps cause bad passes – bad passes mean incomplete and no yardage on that down
- creates more opportunities for int’s

The list is extensive and one superstar pass rusher being added to this team will make the whole defense tremendously better. More punts, more ints, more fumbles. It all works together. You take out the pass rush which we have and it allows an offense to feel comfortable which is dangerous in the nfl.

Babich is bad, but this front four needs to beat players one on one and get to the QB, hurry him, knock him down, sack him, deflect a pass, something. They haven’t done squat for the passing game this year. This is a top priority in my book.

If the D was average in the passing game this year, we’d likely have only 1 or 2 losses on the year. If we had a better WR, we would still be losing a lot of these games where Brian Greise looks like Joe Montana.

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by #23 on Nov 25, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My list would probably be something like:

1. A versatile o-lineman – Possibly replacements for Kreutz/Tait
2. A high upside WR – Qe have a few possession receivers already, would be nice to get another explosive WR to pair with Hester
3. A MLB prospect – Depending on how the management feels about Jamar Williams, a replacement for Urlacher wouldn’t be a bad idea
4. QB – If a good QB falls to us, we should definitely think about taking one. I’m not completely sold on Orton to be honest
5. A pass rushing DE – I’m not quite sure what happened to Mark Anderson, but I still think a physical DE to replace Wale would be a good idea

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by thecoolest on Nov 24, 2008 5:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

We have so many WR's

that I’d rather they either use the 1st pick on a rookie WR or trade using our top pick. We don’t need another Earl Bennett.

For the MLB spot….do you want them to address OLB? With Hillenmeyer playing like garbage, do we upgrade there and let Urlacher/J-Will be for a year?

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 24, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget about

Joey LaRoque, Nick Roach, and Darrel McGlover. Nick has been playing over Jamar Williams. These other guys are probably the reason we ditched Okwo after just one season.

Also, WR is too hard to figure out in the first round. A second or 3rd round pick is much safer. Sure you still may miss, but you’ll feel much better about wasting a 2nd or 3rd then wasting a 1st. I like your idea better of trading a 1 for a proven #1 receiver then drafting a hopeful starter.

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by #23 on Nov 24, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LB & WR

I don’t see Nick Roach being the end-all for Hunter’s spot. I thought J-Will should have gotten a shot, but oh well.

WR….I don’t really think we should waste another pick on another Bennett….a kid who has potential, but can’t crack our “starting” squad. Trade the #1 away, get a good WR, and let’s rebuild a little bit. Gotta give Orton some weapons.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 24, 2008 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm fine with trading if we get a good deal.

I don’t want to try to get a guy like St. Louis did a few years ago and pick up Drew Bennet who they thought could be a good receiver. They paid him 30 mil over 6 years. I would do it for proven guys like Boldin, Torry Holt, or someone like that.

There are good receivers in the third round. I know that Earl didn’t work out this year, but Berrian was picked in the third round. Your odds increase the more you take a risk. With 2 3rd round picks at WR we have a better chance of one of them being good.

At LB, Jamar made a lot of ST’s mistakes this year, but he seemed to play LB much better. On the bright side is that if Nick beat out Jamar, that doesn’t mean Jamar is bad necessarily, but that Nick Roach might be better than we think. Or Jamar is falling apart and will be gone soon. We just know less about Nick Roach because he is newer and not a high draft pick. Dave Toub was highly praising him before the season and said he was a leader and had a chance to be the best ST’s player this year. He may be better than you think.

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by #23 on Nov 25, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Trade down

Normally, I’m not a fan of this, but unless a sure fire OL or DL falls, I say we trade down, get a couple second and third round picks and use those to play ball.

by bs1220 on Nov 25, 2008 1:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Why pay all that money in the first round when you can fill more holes with quality guys in the second and third and pay them combined what you pay the one guy in the first. Dorsey who was all that has been crap this season and Chris Long hasn’t been amazing by any means. Those guys are getting huge coin and who knows if they’ll ever make a probowl.

But if you see something very special, you can’t pass that up. One special player is more valuable then 3 solid guys. AP is a good example.

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by #23 on Nov 25, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fanpost Update

Start throwing some names around, folks. Michael Crabtree? Andre Smith? Rey Maualuga? Brian Orakpo? Tim Tebow?

Who would be a good fit in the Bears’ organization to fill these positions that you are mentioning? Who would be worth trading up for? Who might be a sleeper pick that we could end hitting a homerun with?

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by GeauxBears on Nov 25, 2008 9:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm an NFL guy, not a college guy.

I don’t know enough names or how good they really are. Tim Tebow will not be a Chicago Bear. He’ll be picked in the top 10. We are not going to be close to that. One interesting thing is that with so many teams hovering around .500. Losing your last game of the season could mean around 10-12 spots in the draft in every single round. I see a lot of teams trying to tank that game!

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by #23 on Nov 25, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

9-7

Is going to win a division for one team, and miss the playoffs for others. It will be very interesting to watch how many teams (that miss the wild card) play rookies and back-ups just to “evaluate” where they are around the last game or 2 of the season. I agree #23, we might see some tankers for sure.

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by GeauxBears on Nov 25, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It'll never happen

but give me Crabtree. That guy is a beast. Big, strong, fast. He reminds me of T.O.

by McRipper on Nov 25, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Crabtree?

Are the Bears planning on having a top 5 draft pick?

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by big_lowitzki on Nov 25, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We could trade with the Lions

They’d find a way to screw it up anyways.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 25, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Possibly

I believe Crabtree will be taken in the top 5 possibly number 1 overall, nut Dez Bryant at OKlahoma State is a beast and if he comes out this year the Bears should get him. Or they could get Taylor Mays to help out the secondary.
But please do not let them get Tebow that guy will not do anything in the NFL.

by chase17 on Nov 25, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

FTR....

Tim Tebow may not even be drafted. Kind of like his mentor, Chris Leak.

The guy would be better suited as a RB unless he can really improve his mechanics as a QB.

Maybe the Bears should look at DE / LB Larry English from good ol’ NIU. Some analysts have compared him to Robert Mathis / Dwight Freeney.

by EJThunder on Nov 29, 2008 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just say no!!

To drafting a QB out of Florida. How many more “Awesome” college quarterbacks are going to come from Florida to the Pros, make a bunch of money, and can’t play worth a lick. Too many misses than hits out of there. I will say one thing though, now that Millen is gone I guess Detroit has a good chance of taking someone other than a WR with the first pick of the draft!! I concur with the “tanking” plans and eval plans both of you have mentioned.

by ArmyCubFan on Nov 25, 2008 12:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

What about trading up??

Why shouldn’t we think about that to get a stud somewhere (Oline, safety, DE). We need more impact players. I think we are getting a lot with what we have but we need more star players. No WR/QB in round one. Too many busts every year and we cannot afford another Ced Benson/David Terrell situation. We need OG/OT, Safety, or a DE. We are fine at linebacker and I think Roach is going to be very good and may ultimately be a replacement for Urlacher. WE definitely need an upgrade at safety. I think this position is killing us along with no pass rush. As far as the Oline goes, didn’t beekman play center in college as well. he could always slide over if he continues to improve. I think Tait is at the end of the road so another tackle is a need (maybe low level FA for RT?) Need big wr in rds 2-3

by tfrabotta on Nov 25, 2008 12:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

What is wrong with safety?

I thought Payne and McGowan before he was hurt both played well. Mike Brown has played very well lately although has a nagging hamstring or leg injury. And Steltz has shown lots of improvement. Daniel Manning is a deep option if necessary, but definitely a last resort.

I feel pretty good about that group. Steltz has been a beast on special teams the last 3-4 games and has filled in nicely when called on.

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by #23 on Nov 25, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How about the third worst pass defense in the NFL??

I know it is not their fault completely but my gosh they couldn’t break up a pass play to save their life. I will give Brown credit that since the Detroit game he has been playing much better but mostly against the run. McGowan has been given a chance to break into the starting lineup for 2 years and hasn’t been able to because it seems that he is always out of position. Payne, very frustrating. Absolutely will not make a play on the ball for fear of the guy getting behind him. Would rather someone connect for 20 yrds on a third and 17 and get credited for the tackle. The guy has 5 passes defended in 11 games, FIVE! That is ridculous. To put it in perspective, Idonije has 4 and Alex Brown has 3. He and the corners should far and away be leading this category. Tillman has 14. He does not have a nose for the ball and doesn’t make plays.

by tfrabotta on Nov 26, 2008 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm, well I disagree

You have more numbers than I do, but I do watch the games very analytically. Payne has been tremendous in run support and has made quite a few big hits to break up the pass. Safeties are more hitters than pass deflectors and that may be the reason their deflections are lower. They run at the receiver and try to dislodge the ball.

Brown started poorly and I concede that all the way. But since Atlanta, I think he has been one of the best defensive players, second to Briggs who is the only guy having an outstanding season. I can think of 2 straight games that he was everywhere making plays.

I don’t think anyone is padding stats on 3rd down to get a tackle.

McGowan has played solid at both nickel and safety this season. I think he is a good backup safety and Steltz is as well. Having 4 guys who are solid at safety is a luxery, in my opinion. Payne & Steltz have a lot of upside and we all know what Brown is capable of. I think he just was rusty early.

The reason you are noticing the deep pass being completed is because we don’t make QB’s uncomfortbale all game long. No pass rush means a field day for QB’s. Every QB who has all day will have a great day passing on you in the NFL.

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by #23 on Nov 26, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

in other words...

You have more numbers than I do, but I do watch the games very analytically.

Who cares what the facts say, I see something different!

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by big_lowitzki on Nov 26, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So just because he doesn't have stats, he's wrong?

Statistics can be skewered to show anything…

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 26, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

even more so

can be watching a game “analytically”

by mike b on Nov 26, 2008 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't arguing that. lol

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 27, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that is not...

… what I said.

But he is arguing directly AGAINST the stats. Stats don’t typically lie. Our perceptions do.

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by big_lowitzki on Nov 28, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Perfectly said

The only thing the secondary needs is a replacement at free safety for Mike Brown. McGowan and Payne play well, but I am not sure that I would want them together for pass concerns. My question is whether Danieal Manning’s potential at safety is long gone, and if so, why? Is he stupid, or does he lack tackling?

by isrealidonije on Nov 29, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How about the third worst pass defense in the NFL??

I know it is not their fault completely but my gosh they couldn’t break up a pass play to save their life. I will give Brown credit that since the Detroit game he has been playing much better but mostly against the run. McGowan has been given a chance to break into the starting lineup for 2 years and hasn’t been able to because it seems that he is always out of position. Payne, very frustrating. Absolutely will not make a play on the ball for fear of the guy getting behind him. Would rather someone connect for 20 yrds on a third and 17 and get credited for the tackle. The guy has 5 passes defended in 11 games, FIVE! That is ridculous. To put it in perspective, Idonije has 4 and Alex Brown has 3. He and the corners should far and away be leading this category. Tillman has 14. He does not have a nose for the ball and doesn’t make plays.

by tfrabotta on Nov 26, 2008 8:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pressure

Pressure has been the problem. Payne has played well, especially for a young strong safety. BTW, McGowan is on IR, not the bench.

by isrealidonije on Nov 26, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who

said McGowan was on the bench?? He has been hurt since early and wasn’t getting the job done when he was playing because he is dumb as a box of rocks, never in the right spot or too late. No one doubts that the line has not generated enough pressure and is a huge part of this. But a safety playing center field has to make some plays. And that doesn’t mean making tackle’s 20 yards downfield after completing a 3rd and 15 for a first down. I think Payne has talent but I don’t think he will ever be a playmaker. If you think Payne has played well I am not sure what games you have been watching. 5 passes defended by your centerfielder in 11 games is not playing well.

by tfrabotta on Nov 29, 2008 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry

I interpreted your comment to mean that he isn’t playing now for the same reason that he hadn’t been in the past, not because of injury. Both Payne and McGowan pile up tackles, which is a positive for a strong safety. Mike Brown, as the free safety until recently, should take more responsibility in the passing game. Payne is among the team leaders in interceptions, tackles, and is one of the best hitters on the team. If he tackles the receiver soon after the catch instead of going for the ball and risking the big play, then that is fine with me.

by isrealidonije on Nov 29, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

MLB comment

“We are fine at linebacker and I think Roach is going to be very good and may ultimately be a replacement for Urlacher.”

I’ve been hard on Urlacher all year, but this comment about Roach is way off. Roach is not good enough to be a franchise MLB – which is what you look for once Urlacher is gone. Grrlacher is the leader, and roach is a backup/average starter.

You look for a (and I hate to say this as a UofM fan) Laurinitis or that guy from USC if you want to get a future replacement for the franchise. You can’t expect Roach to improve so much that he somehow becomes as good as Urlacher.

I like Nick Roach for Hillenmeyer, but not in the middle.

I’d like to see a DE, WR and OG in the top 3 rounds. Then a S and more O-line help.

by ethan a on Nov 29, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Anquan Boldin

If Boldin still wants out of AZ after this year, I say we do whatever we have to to get him. He’s in his prime, is tough as nails and catches everything. Well worth the money. Use the draft on what the GM does best, defense. I would say use the draft on OL and Defense.

by Subotai on Nov 25, 2008 3:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Stay with safe picks in the draft….OL early, then dig deep in the draft for D.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 25, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Me 3

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by #23 on Nov 25, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

O-line and Outside Linebacker

O-line is getting old and our guards are suspect. I think we can address our pass rushing deficiencies by getting a stud outside linebacker who has proven in college to be a great pass rusher. The Hillenmeyer/Roach/Williams pu-pu platter just ain’t cutting it. We need an OLB, and getting one with great rush skills in the draft would suit me just fine. We definitely need to ditch Babich to make this work though; I have very little confidence in him as a d-coord.

by MuleTrain on Nov 25, 2008 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

But wait a minute....

We need an OLB that can excel in pass coverage too. That’s what Hillenmeyer was benched in the first place.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 25, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree completely...

And I think Rey Maualuga and James Laurenitis would be perfect for pass coverage… they both remind me a little bit of Old Daddy Urlacher when they are chasing the ball all over the field. Those might be guys, if they fall out of the top 5 (which let very well may not do), that we could trade up a few spots to grab. I think Lach would be a great mentor for them as well.

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by GeauxBears on Nov 25, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

USC LB

I don’t know if Brian Cushing from USC is good in coverage, but he has the size, athleticism, and hard-hitting ability to play. I would not mind him suiting up as a Bear.

by isrealidonije on Nov 26, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LB

is not what we need right now. It will be in another year from now or 2. We need Oline, safety, and a wr. Roach, Williams, Hillenmeyer are capable backups for now but will need to get a replacemnt for Urlacher in the next 2-3 yrs. Outside of rb, lb is the easiest spot to fill through the draft.

by tfrabotta on Nov 29, 2008 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

With the 18th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft

the Chicago Bears select Jeremy Maclin WR/RS, Mizzou

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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Nov 25, 2008 6:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

He's a great returner...

And is shifty as hell… reminds me a LOT of Hester. Not a guy to spend a first round pick on, but if he’s available in the second round (which he might be), we might take a look. I figure he’ll go early second round though.

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by GeauxBears on Nov 25, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it's a reach at 18 as well...but

I’ve seen his name thrown out a couple times as late 1st-early 2nd so I can always hope. I really wouldn’t mind Vontae Davis either…too bad Benn is coming back next year

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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Nov 25, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Too bad??

Illinois needs him! He has plenty of NFL years ahead of him. :)

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by #23 on Nov 26, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Benn

is a sophomore, so he can’t come out.

by ethan a on Nov 29, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Vontae (Vernon's bro)

Is a monster… he’s super fast and super strong. He’ll be one to watch at the combine. I think he would fit great into the Bears’ defense, especially if we start getting back to being more aggressive (Vontae is a great blitzer). He’ll probably get drafted in the 12-20 range.

Sorry for asking, but who is Benn?

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by GeauxBears on Nov 25, 2008 8:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Arrelious (sp?) Benn

Vaunted WR for the Illini. Quick, great hands, good top-end speed. You’ll hear his name more next year.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 25, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

again,

because he is a sophomore. A true one. Not even eligible.

by ethan a on Nov 29, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I know that...

He just asked who he was. I gave him the info, minus the true sophomore bit.

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 29, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cool... thx.

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by GeauxBears on Nov 25, 2008 9:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I don't think we are going to be in position to get a can't miss

OL and I don’t want a rookie WR to be our future. Address those two in Free Agency.

I’d like them to figure out the LB situation. Is Jamar Williams the real deal and going to be someone’s replacement? Briggs is in his prime, so Williams would have to replace Urlacher. Can he? You can always use athletic LBs on special teams while you wait for them.

I’m with you all on Boldin. Get him at all costs. I assume it would take a 1st and then a big time contract. TJ is a very good #2 choice, if he isn’t franchised.

Start looking at secondary as well.

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by WCG on Nov 26, 2008 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wait

did I just have a draft post with no talk of QB or RB? Where am I?

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by WCG on Nov 26, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Jerry Angelo Heaven

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by ChiFan13 on Nov 26, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I know where you are...

Headed straight to a 9-7 record, and a possible North title, because our QB ain’t throwing picks every 20 pass attempts, and our ROOKIE running back from TULANE (where?!) is all over the field. A draft thread with no mention of QB or RB is confusing to the brain. But somehow, it’s okay. Wonder if Hanie will be able to develop over the next couple of years? Also wonder who the Dragon will end up suiting up for…

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by GeauxBears on Nov 26, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Loose Change

There is a lot of talk about the Bears needing cornerbacks and safeties, but they have a solid foundation in the secondary. Kevin Payne may not have great coverage skills, but he will be an above-average strong safety down the road. Mike Brown is at the end of his career, so he needs a replacement (maybe Taylor Mays of USC-that guy is a freak), but I don’t think that safety is a priority. Same goes for cornerbacks. They have a good stable of young players, but Vasher is not playing well. The only problem with the pass defense is the pass rush. The Bears don’t play a system where you leave the corners on an island with receivers, but no corner can cover any wide receiver forever. The only DB that they should draft is more of the same-a fifth round steal from a small school who can be a backup down the road. That’s all Angelo can draft anyway.
The real need is a DE who combines production with athleticism. That means no Dan Bazuin, and no Vernon Gholston (not that he will be bad, he was just drafted too high). If the DTs stay healthy and Angelo adds a good prospect at DE, the defense should be fine for a while.

by isrealidonije on Nov 26, 2008 2:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

lets go get michael crabtree

we need a #1 receiver and he has all the tools to be a great one, he’s big, fast, and physical, the only risk is the general risk that comes with drafting receivers because of their difficulty to translate into the NFL game, but we need a true #1 receiver

by big tuna on Nov 27, 2008 4:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

here's an idea!

How does vash a second a fourth and next years fourth sound for anquan boldin?
it solves our problem and gives the cards a legitimate cb to tutor and start and helps one of thier needs. If not that then O line for sure!

by scespy12 on Nov 28, 2008 11:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs