Bears Try To Rally Late, Still Fall 21-14
The Bears made a run at it, but still came up short on handing the Tennessee Titans their first loss of the season. Things looked good to open the game. The defense caused the Titans to go 3 and out, then went downfield for a TD. The Titans followed with 21 unaswered points, before the Bears scored late and were in good position to tie it up, but could not convert a 4th and 4.
OFFENSE
Quarterback:
Rex Grossman's numbers don't look horrible. He ended with 173 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT and he added a rushing TD (2nd in 2 weeks), but he did not play well. He had two drives that he seemed in sync and those both resulted in a TD, but on all the drives in between he played very poorly. To his credit he took good care of the ball, he did not have any fumbles and threw the ball away when needed, but that is about the end of the good. He threw behind receivers, yards in front of them and way over them. The worst one was a play where Devin Hester had his man beat and if Grossman would have connected it likely would have gone to the end zone, but it sailed high.
Running back:
Rookie Matt Forte again showed that he is the real deal. In the much anticipated match up between Rookie of the Year candidates, Forte outrushed Chris Johnson 72 yards to 8. He averaged an impressive 3.6 average against on of the best defenses in the league. He also led the team with 7 receptions for 54 yards and a TD.
Wider receivers: On some level you have to give them a bye, since Grossman didn't even give them a chance. There were some drops and some balls that even through not dead on the Bears receivers just needed to find away to bring down, but did not. Hester caught 4 for 54. Greg Olsen got involved late and ended with 5 catches for 50 yards.
Offensive Line:
I usually don't address the line in this post, but they played very good. The kept Grossman up most of the game and gave him decent time to throw. Grossman was only sacked once by the defensive line. The other was by a cornerback. The won the battle most of the day against possibly the best D line in the game and openend holes for Forte to run through.
DEFENSE
The defensive line and linebackers came to play. They knew they had to shut down the run and did. The Titans average 149 yards per game. They Bears held them to 20 totals yards. As it has become a common theme the break down was on the pass rush and pass coverage. The Bears could not get to Kerry Collins. He could have read a book back in the pocket most of the day and the Bears would not have gotten to him. He picked apart the Bears secondary.
A bad pass rush negates a good coverage by cornerbacks and that partly was the case, but they don't get a pass. Our two big CBs, the guys we gave big contracts to, got beat by the likes of Justin Gage and Brandon Jones. Tillman and Vasher should be able to handle them man to man on most plays, but they gave up big plays and big yardage often.
SPECIAL TEAMS
Coverage was good. On four punt returns and two kick returns the Titans tallied 89 yards. Devin Hester had a decent day he was 4 for 99 yards on kick offs. He almost broke through a couple of times, but the Titans held tough.
Gould had a FG blocked and Maynard had a sub par day averaging under 39 yards a punt.
OVERALL
The overriding theme here is the Bears could never turn around the feild position battle. Groosman wasn't consistent and the Bears D could not get off the field fast enough to turn around the field position.
Moving forward though, this was a good game for the Bears. If the defense is finally ready to get going, next week against the Packers would be a good start. Here is hoping Kyle Orton is ready to go.
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orton must play next week
or it will be GB’s division
I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life
by Hawk is God on Nov 9, 2008 3:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Grossman didn't exactly set the world on fire... but
If we can’t rush the passer… and defend the pass when it counts, doesn;t matter much who’s QB. We’ll lose anyway.
I said earlier in the week that Kerry Collins would have his best game of the season today… the line: 30/41, 289 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT.
To put that into perspective, Collins hadn’t broken the 200 yard mark all season, before today. That’s how bad we are against the pass. We’re horrible.
The only thing that really irked me today, was Lovie NOT challenging that INT… I could swear the guy had his foot on the sideline when he caught that rebound.
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by SackMan on Nov 9, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that same thing (regarding the foot)
I can’t believe noone challenged it.
by GoCubbies34 on Nov 9, 2008 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Orton Starts...
…and the Bears win this game.
No question.
by Twins Territory on Nov 9, 2008 3:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Huge questions
Still couldn’t stop the pass for anything.
by Arbusto on Nov 10, 2008 8:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh...
… can i use your crystal ball sometime?
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by big_lowitzki on Nov 10, 2008 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
The worst one was a play where Devin Hester had his man beat and if Grossman would have connected it likely would have gone to the end zone, but it sailed high.
grossman obvioulsy throws the deep ball so much better.
by mike b on Nov 9, 2008 3:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
one throw makes your point?
His stats are as good as Fields -- that's the sad thing
by Jbasic89 on Nov 9, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
most of last year and last week as well would do that.
if you want to pretend his missed one though, go ahead.
by mike b on Nov 9, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When you bashed Orton for it, you used one throw
But his accuracy today was way off. I don’t think anyone can argue that.
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by ChiFan13 on Nov 9, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take accuracy over deep ball threat
by Cevarius on Nov 9, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who is ready
for the Steve Spagnoli or McGinnis era (again) to begin?
by mike b on Nov 9, 2008 3:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The most encouraging thing to take away from this game is
that if we have our real quarterback in there we would have taken out the last undefeated team and would still be in sole possession of first place. It would be one thing if Rex made some mistakes but also made some nice plays, but I didn’t see anything positive from Rex. He was atrocious, underthrowing and overthrowing his receiver and throwing well behind Rashied Davis on a couple of plays. His saving grace, the deep ball, has been nowhere to be found this year. Thats twice in the last two weeks that he has missed a wide open Devin Hester.
by dakoose on Nov 9, 2008 5:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
still not stepping in to his throws
He’s still doing that wrist/flick thing with many of his throws, apparently. I wonder what Pep Hamilton worked on with him during the week? Same annoying tendencies, rarely looked off his 1st options at receiver. Didn’t hear any boos, though – so no one can blame the crowd for this performance.
by Waylon on Nov 9, 2008 5:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sexy Rexy had a decent day
in the first half. Good game guys. Enjoyable TV. Wish I’d been there. Good luck the rest of the way and in your division. You guys get Orton back and you’re a threat for the division. We’ll look for you in the playoffs!
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by BigW on Nov 9, 2008 5:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
was anyone at the game?
Rex did not have a good day, but you should see the whole field at the game. There was no one open today for the most part. The play calling was atrocious outside of the no huddle. most of the patterns were run up the field and stop and they were covered like a blanket. Now , Rex missed throws that were open on slants and did not look good. But some of overthrows were because his receivers were covered and did not want to turn it over. Hardly any plays over the middle, no seam patterns to anyone etc. Didn’t move the pocket around or creat passing lanes for the midget boy. Was a whole different gameplan than KO. As someone else said he still had happy feet and didn’t step into any throws and that was very frustrating. Too many flick of the wrists.
by tfrabotta on Nov 9, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think BigW
is a Titans fan and is just being civil.
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by Adam T on Nov 9, 2008 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maynard Terrible today
I said earlier in the weel that field position would be key and we were dominated in the aspect. Punting was terrible, no return game, and in Q2 and 3 we couldn’t get first downs to get out of our end zone. We need to fix three things – GET KO back in, we need to mix up how we rush the QB (swerves, twists, corner blitz, etc. We are so unimaginative on how we rush the passer it make us easy to block, and finally we have to play more press coverage. If I see Kevin Payne 30 yards down field again I am gonna puke.
by tfrabotta on Nov 9, 2008 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Maynard was okay considering what he had to work with
When O is pinned deep and then goes 3&out, how far do you really think Maynard CAN punt? To get a chance to pin them deep, you gotta get outside of your own 20
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 9, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IF
you are only going to kick it 35 yards at least kick it high so that can’t return it to our 20. His best kick was when he clocked one into the endzon from the 45 when he was trying to pin them back. Horrible. He should have been taking notes from Hentrich, when they were in their own end he nailed a 56 yarder and pinned them inside the 10 3 times. field position killed us today and he hurt us.
by tfrabotta on Nov 9, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
i’m no special teams guru. no idea.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 9, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
some thoughts
I thought todays game had a lot more to do with field position than anything else. sure the offense and defense looked spotty at times but given the fact that 10+ drives started for us inside our 20 and then the defense was forced to defend a short field….
1. Kudos to the titans…they came on the road in a cold, hostile envirnoment and played their type of ball.
2. He wont get much praise im sure around here, but rex has improved in some areas. pocket presence is much better,especially on the early drives. i thought he went through his reads decently well, especially on the td to forte which i believe was his 3rd read. He missed some plays.. 3 or 4 on my count…Booker catches that slant late, i think we’re talking about something else right now.
3.)Kerry collins is apparently an incarnation of joe montana… or scratch that our pass defense made him look like that way. we gear up to shut down the run and when we do, we have no answer for the pass…..really?
4.) dave toub was a genius the last two years…or so ive heard. i havent seen any game chaning plays from special teams all year. i wonder if brandon lloyd comes back if he might get hester to focus more on special team returns.
5.) other than shutting down the run, can anyone figure out what was the gameplan in any of the three phases?
when a team is forced to be one dimensional like the titans, you would think we could get some takeaways, it would have been huge to flip the field position battle.
by rahulsriram on Nov 9, 2008 5:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No game changing plays on special teams "all year"
overreacting much? DEVIN hasn’t been himself, but I remember at least 2 ST TDs off the top of my head and considering I’m on sinus medicine it could be more.
Hester had his most success just going forward, I don’t know why he’s trying to cut everything back. just get north and take it from there.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 9, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i was a little bit
but the 2 you are referencing to were in the same game vs minnesota. the other one that i can think of was against carolina with lloyd scoring.
i was referring to the creativity of toub. blocking schemes for hester, corner rolls like last year to block punts..etc. special teams in the lovie smith era has set the bar high, as an intergal part of this team and right now i dont feel they are carrying their weight on this team.
by rahulsriram on Nov 9, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
but if we’re gonna debate whos carrying their weight on this team, my wrath is saved for those 11 highly paid defensive guys. When the bulk of your money is tied up on defense and no one other then Briggs or Dusty seems show the heck up, thats a problem.
I do give Toub kind of a pass though. With the rash of injuries lately, his experience blockers are now playing real roles in the other phases.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 9, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with that defense part
but i do believe todays scores against our defense had to do with field position.
but im starting to wonder when guys begin too loose faith in this scheme. I mean brian griese, matt ryan, gus ferrotte, kerry collins, all having big days against our d, in similiar ways.
by rahulsriram on Nov 9, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IMHO, its less scheme and more no one making a play
at some point a down lineman has to beat his guy. and no one’s been doing that.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 9, 2008 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on Rex
He played decently enough. This was the sort of game we were expecting out of Orton at the beginning of the season.
by Arbusto on Nov 10, 2008 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're nuts.
Rex was embarrassingly bad yesterday afternoon. 20 for 37, 173 yards, one touchdown, one interception. It is widely said among NFL insiders and experts that yards per attempt is a leading indicator of a QB’s performance. Rex’s was 4.7. Thats CFL quality right there. He was simply awful yesterday and I find it painful to watch this pathetic excuse for a QB try and lead my team to victories.
by dakoose on Nov 10, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup...
… lets just ignore the fact that he was playing one of the best defenses in football.
Titans are #1 in points allowed, #5 in total yards allowed, #12 in passing yards allowed, #2 in ints, etc.
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by big_lowitzki on Nov 10, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
titans probably have the best pass defense in the league by football outsiders stats
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef
Packers are 2nd
I laid out the comparison earlier
http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2008/11/2/652406/orton-out-next-4-weeks#comments
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by thecubreporter on Nov 10, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care who he was playing.
Rex had open receivers and made bad throws. The point is that he had plenty of opportunities and could not come through when his receivers did their job. Also, on the last possession where Rex almost threw that pick-6 to Finnegan, he had a wide open Forte on the right sideline, something he would have noticed if he knew how to go through his progressions and not just lock on to to one receiver.
by dakoose on Nov 10, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and he comepleted 50.9 percent of his passes!!!!!
FIFTY FREAKING PERCENT. He stinks, plain and simple. He doesn’t pass the eye test or the on paper test.
by dakoose on Nov 10, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
150 yds, 1 td, 1 int
Didn’t Orton have a few lines like that earlier this year?
Indy: Orton 150 yards, 0 td, 0 int
Carolina: Orton 149 yards also 0 td and 0 int (also a 4.7 yrds per attempt that you berated here)
Tampa: Orton 268 yds, 2 tds, 2 int
Philly: Orton 199 yds, 3 tds, 2 ints
But let’s sing Orton’s praises for being so magnificent because I’m sure we didn’t have games like the Tampa or Philly outings from Rex over the past couple years.
Rex had a decent game for not having played in so long. He looked really sharp for two drives. Not so great in between. But no really dumb mistakes (the game manager mantra that Orton was labeled with for so long). The int was a good defensive play. Those dropped passes get caught and it’s a completely different stat line.
by Arbusto on Nov 10, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those dropped passes AND Rex doesn't overthrow most of them, you meant.
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by ChiFan13 on Nov 10, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, just the dropped ones
Ball hits a receiver in the hands, he should catch it. Those few and it’s a completely different game.
I’m not arguing about the overthrows, that shows his rust. He not overthrow those and suddenly he’s having a good game.
All I’m saying is he didn’t have a bad game. It was a mediocre game.
by Arbusto on Nov 10, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What...
What about all those times he completly missed wide open receivers. Devin Hester deep. Rashied Davis all day. And you said his decision making was better what about the play of the game when he throws it to Devin Hester on 4th and 4 when there is someone standing right in front of him. That should have been a pick.
by chase17 on Nov 10, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Two points
1. You’re first talking about the overthrows, which I’ve already addressed.
2. I didn’t say his decisions making was better.
by Arbusto on Nov 10, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't address the overthrows,
you just dismissed them due to rust. I don’t buy that, he missed his targets by miles. He wasn’t even close. Thats no rust, thats bad. That would be the equivalent of a basketball player coming back from an injury and just chucking up airball after airball.
by dakoose on Nov 10, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yet again, a soft defense against the pass
didn’t see a whole lot of jamming the titan WRs at the line…we gave them a nice cushion, like we do everybody. no pass rush at all (again), largely because collins almost always took a few steps back, saw 2-3 wide open players, and threw the ball before anybody on our line had a chance to rush him. this is getting ridiculous. if we play this soft coverage, we absolutely need to blitz the QB. otherwise, ANYBODY (kerry collins is not that good, people) will pick us apart. or (a crazy idea), we could play more physical against the WRs. if we throw their timing off, our line might actually have a few more seconds to generate a pass rush. lovie/babich better start making some adjustments asap, or else both will be out of a job by the end of the season – there is NO WAY we will make the playoffs playing this scheme, unless the offense becomes an absolute juggernaut.
by guy incognito on Nov 9, 2008 6:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
now if I can blame the defensive players for this one. They were carrying out the scheme they are put in. Our pass rushers just run right into the guy in front and get engulfed. Our blitzes just run right into the offensive lineman. No corner blitz, no safety blitz (except for the run). It is obviosuly scheme and Babich and the DLine coach should be gone. And teh cusion that they are placed in are outrageous..
by tfrabotta on Nov 9, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Devin Hester is done.
The return on the last possession was a td if this was 07 or 06. That extra little burst is gone. I don’t know why.
by tempchad on Nov 9, 2008 6:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you mean the pressure of it?
because while i am dissapointed about the returns, i have been enthused with his reciever progress.
by rahulsriram on Nov 9, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no because he seems
less focused on special team and more on offense. He is obviously improved on offense but I don’t think will ever be a number one. What happened to the days when he could at least make the first guy miss???
by tfrabotta on Nov 9, 2008 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spoiled fans
It’s very difficult to return a punt or kick for a TD. Just because he set the NFL on fire his first two years doesn’t mean he’ll consistently find the end zone on special teams. I can care less about him scoring on returns, more concerned about his progress as a receiver. Do you people understand that he’ll see more opportunities on offense?
tempchad- did you really say he’s done? You’ll be the first person to jump right back on the bandwagon when he breaks one.
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by propheteer on Nov 9, 2008 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree to a point
it is damn hard to return tds on special teams, but there is a difference in hesters running style now than when he was workin for that big paycheck. on kickoffs he seems content to get it to the 20, dance around a bit and then bounce outta bounds. he used to catch the damn ball and take off, he seems to be tentative to run up the middle for fear of getting blindsided. i’ve been saying for the past 4 or 5 weeks that, if healthy, i want danieal manning returning kickoffs and hester on punt duty.
by lopey986 on Nov 10, 2008 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Part of the process
He might have broken that one up the middle of the field if not for the slight hesitation, but certainly that’s all it takes to miss the window of opportunity. Even the best have slumps from time to time. I’m more concerned with field position and the offenses’ ability to take advantage of it.
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by propheteer on Nov 10, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great game today.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I can imagine that that’s cold comfort, but you guys have a terrific defense, and Forte was EXTREMELY impressive. Moreover, it was asking a lot to come back from 14 down. But it was definitely a valiant effort.
You guys have a great community here, and I’ve enjoyed hanging out this week. Good luck with the rest of the season.
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by DannoE on Nov 9, 2008 7:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i hope you excuse me when i say
that a loss is never a great game.
by tempchad on Nov 9, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good luck to the titans
as well. We just wish we had our QB in there to see how it would have turned out. Your scheme and game plan was solid. Ours made no sense at times..
by tfrabotta on Nov 9, 2008 7:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Urlacher is a pinball
How can the face of the defense turn into an anonymous face that isn’t even mentioned? Sadly, it’s because Urlacher seems more than anybody to have taken his extra cash and decided to play with half a heart this year.
In just this game I watched as he’d run into an o-lineman and either fall down or bounce backward and then do nothing at all. It’s either Urlacher is being called to blitz and fake blitz too much — or he just isn’t covering the middle of the field as in years past. Where are those big paws hauling in one-handed INTs on slants and TE posts? Is it Babich’s scheme or is Urlacher just sucking. I find no excuse in his neck and back. He’s constantly trying to hit an offensive lineman. Perhaps he’s confused, as I did see Chris Johnson do a nice spin move around him, luckily before Brown and Co. made the tackle two yards later.
Bo Scaife killed us. Just killed us. Couldn’t Urlacher have shadowed him?
by ethan a on Nov 9, 2008 7:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't think
he was his responsibilty for most plays as it would have been Roach or the nickel /safety.
by tfrabotta on Nov 9, 2008 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
haha
wow, a quarterback who hasn’t started a game in almost 2 years looked rusty…i can’t friggin believe it.
he played an average ball game and that is what chicago fans constantly ask for @ the QB position, i don’t fault him for the loss. we played a damn good defense and we had our chances, a qb who had played more often would’ve given us a better chance to win the game and it’s as simple as that.
by lopey986 on Nov 9, 2008 7:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he's been playing for 20 years
rusty is only an excuse so long.
by mike b on Nov 9, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
and he missed guys a lot last year too, “rusty” is bullshit.
by mike b on Nov 9, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why?
peyton manning has been playing for 20 years and after his knee surgery in the offseason he looked rusty. it’s a valid excuse.
not like orton makes every single throw…no one does…grossman played a decent game as a backup qb. can’t ask for much more outta him.
can’t wait for orton to get back though, i’d say give him the green bay game off and then get him back out there.
by lopey986 on Nov 10, 2008 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its bullshit
because he’s never that accurate anyway. peyton manning huh? GREAT comparison.
by mike b on Nov 10, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I can’t believe you’re arguing he had a decent game.
He overthrew guys like they were 6’10. When he dumped the ball off short, did you see his arm motion? He was not good. He was not even close to good.
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by ChiFan13 on Nov 10, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
i just have lower expectations out of a backup quarterback than you guys do. if you are expecting the dude to post a 100 qb rating with 3 tds and no turnovers then you are fuckin’ nuts. he did about what i expected of him and the defense let kerry collins pick them apart. but yeah, let’s blame the guy making a million dollars this year who isn’t being counted on to win games and not the collective 11 making over 2/3 of our payroll.
oh and also, blame the punter.
by lopey986 on Nov 10, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The defense is making around fourty five percent of the payroll,
not over sixty six percent. Again, Rex shouldn’t even be in this league right now. He completed fifty percent of his passes and had less than five yards per attempt. I’d rather have Dan"I enjoy nice runs along the back of the endzone"Orlovsky as my backup.
by dakoose on Nov 10, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
1. Rex was a start for two years. Don’t give me the backup QB bit. He has more experience than most backups.
2. I’m not expecting him to be a world beater. I’m expecting him, as a quarterback, to hit his damn receivers. It ain’t that hard.
3. If you take a look at the Quotables post, I am blaming the defense.
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by ChiFan13 on Nov 10, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
Being a starter previously isn’t the point. He isn’t the starter now, which means he doesn’t get reps with the first team. That is HUGE in terms of timing. Further, he hasn’t been playing in real live games, which is all HUGE in terms of timing and speed of play.
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by big_lowitzki on Nov 10, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All fine and good
Timing is one thing; overthrowing receivers is another.
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by ChiFan13 on Nov 10, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Concur
The majority of the time Rex had all day to throw accurate passes. Davis and Hester were wide open on third downs and he failed to make a play. Plus, the guy didn’t utilize the Bears best weapon in Olsen. The Titans knew he favors his receivers more than his tight ends; they were cheating to the outside the entire second half.
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by propheteer on Nov 10, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
overthrowing receivers...
… IS a timing thing.
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by big_lowitzki on Nov 10, 2008 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like an accuracy thing to me
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 11, 2008 1:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
by the way
i’m not trying to be a grossman apologetic or make a case that he should be the starter, those days are long gone. i did it through 2006 and 2007 because he has talent, always has, but he shouldn’t be starting for chicago anymore.
but, on the list of backup quarterbacks out there right now, grossman is top 5 in terms of experience. not to mention he has a complete knowledge of our playbook so we don’t have to dumb it down a la kyle orton in ‘05. i’ll take rex as a backup over 3 quarters of the backup quarterbacks in the nfl and that’s the truth.
and i’m less worried about grossman performing about how i thought he would, 2 tds and a turnover and some bad decisions, and more concerned with a defensive scheme that continues to get beat over and over and a coaching staff that “doesn’t know what is wrong and can’t figure out where to start to fix it”.
matter of fact, here is a quote from alex brown from the peoria, il paper:
“Kerry Collins threw the ball fast, but that’s what everybody does on us; they take three steps and they throw the ball,” Chicago defensive end Alex Brown said. "Hopefully, we figure this out. It’s not changing.
“I know they didn’t run the ball a whole lot, but we still gave up 7-yard passes, 10-yard passes. We’ve got guys coming free, unblocked. Can’t get there. Why? I don’t know. I’m going to stop right here, because I don’t want to say something I will regret.”
Alex Brown knows what is wrong…when will Lovie and Co. figure it the fuck out?
by lopey986 on Nov 11, 2008 3:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and halfblind
that was not a direct comment to you, just falling in line with the rest of the comments and i always tend to reply to the last one wether that is the actual on i want to reply to or not.
by lopey986 on Nov 11, 2008 3:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no problem
i agree pretty much competely with what you said.
either the scheme is broken or a whole lot of people not named Briggs, Brown or Dusty aren’t doing their jobs. i’m leaning toward scheme. you successfully take away the run and make a team one dimensional and then can’t even slow down an average passing game?
and they still can’t stop the fucking slant.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 11, 2008 6:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with both of you
A-Brown wasn’t the only person who stopped himself on Sunday.
I think we’re starting to see some division within the team. Lovie can no longer just sit back and hope it works.
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by ChiFan13 on Nov 11, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
accuracy ...
… and timing are directly related.
A QB needs to know where a receiver will be when, and also needs to be able to know how that will work in live game situations.
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by big_lowitzki on Nov 11, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And if Hester has lost a step as some have argued
That would throw off Rex’s timing (pun intended).
by Arbusto on Nov 11, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely!
Man, I wish I knew it was a timing issue before today! I remember a Marty Booker curl route when he curled around and was standing there. Rex threw it to Marty, and he overthrew him! That damn timing….
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by ChiFan13 on Nov 11, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't say...
… it was ONLY timing. But timing is a HUGE part of it.
And to use one pass as an example is just silly. I could do the same thing with Orton, pointing out passes here or there where Orton did not have good accuracy.
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by big_lowitzki on Nov 11, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was being sarcastic big
It’s two parts to make Rex: bad timing, and bad accuracy. Even on long passes, when he was supposedly so accurate, Rex missed some crucial passes.
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by ChiFan13 on Nov 11, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grossman's done, I think
As I mentioned earlier, he looks to be regressing with his play, no difference from last year. No stepping into his throws, that damn wrist flick, etc. – he needs a change of scenery, no doubt he’ll get it after the season’s over. He will not win in GB.
by Waylon on Nov 9, 2008 8:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
CBs/Grossman=Bad, im still confused about Hester?
I was at the game and one of the biggest things I noticed was 5 yard cushions given to “speed burners” Justin Gage and Brandon Jones. Our D-Line will never get a sack in a game as long as we let the QB take a 3 step drop and throw the ball immediately. This is a QBs dream considering he can literally memorize the playbook and make these throws with his eyes closed. The D-Line needs more than 1 second to penetrate the backfield and sack the QB and with recievers having a cushion, they are lucky to get .5 seconds. On the plus side, I did see Tommie Harris get into the backfield today and make some key TFLs.
I understand Grossman’s complaint that he was backed up into his own end zone for much of the game making it difficult to get the offense going; however, there is a point where someone has to take the intiative and get them down the field. The person to take the intiative today could have been Grossman, but he did not make a case for next years Free Agency.
A couple of times in this game I saw hester make the right moves and have an open field in front of him. Both times he failed to turn on the burners and leave everybody else in the dust. Maybe he was conserving energy for the offensive drive at the cost of a TD.
This game should have been a Bears win, but our defense gave it away through the air. It has always been said that you control the clock by running the ball. Against the Bears, teams can control the clock by throwing. Unless these schemes get fixed, we will consistently be beat by teams with sub-par QBs.
by airnjp on Nov 9, 2008 9:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the cushions should get somebody fired immediately
we’d probably be a very good pass defense if we didn’t play that way. at some point, when journeyman QBs keep picking us apart, you’d think somebody’d get the problem. unreal.
as for rex…he didn’t play good. that being said, i don’t understand why we didn’t call more plays for the TEs? more slant routes? and why didn’t we run forte/jones (why in god’s name doesn’t he get at least 5-8 carries every game???) more? i don’t know. i don’t want to make excuses for rex, because he definitely was inaccurate, but we didn’t seem to call a game that put him in a position to succeed very well. also…our guys weren’t exactly open. don’t understand why we didn’t run more 2 TE sets, and run more TE seam routes. those would have been open.
by guy incognito on Nov 9, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Bradley
9 catches… 81 yards… 1 TD
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by SackMan on Nov 9, 2008 11:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Find someone who can
All that money tied up in the defensive line with little results to show for it on the pass rush. Ogunleye, Anderson, and Brown have to step it up if they want to keep their jobs next year. I foresee a high draft pick at DE for the Bears next year…
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by propheteer on Nov 9, 2008 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Peaking into the backfield
is what the defense does on pass plays. These guys have been coached to get turnovers. They play the cover 2 zone, without man-to-man responsibilities. They get to their zone and then stare into the backfield to see what the QB is going to do, and if he makes a mistake, get a turnover. Meanwhile, the offense is just finding open spots in the zone, and the ball gets there before the defense can react. Lots of pass plays get completed this way. No big plays, just short and intermediate stuff. They try and clamp down in the red zone to prevent TD’s. This is what Babich and Lovie want too. It’s a BAD way to shut teams down and win ball games.
by MuleTrain on Nov 10, 2008 8:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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