Bears Holiday Wishlist: Players from around the league you'd like to have in '09
Ok... as the season winds down... we all naturally start to think about free agents, the draft, and next year. However, when making our wishlists for the Bears, we often neglect to add "sleeper" players from other teams... and quite frankly, so do the Bears.
It's so typical to say "I want Alan Faneca ('08)", or "I want Anquan Boldin ('09). So, I propose a challenge to you guys:
Gimme a player who's under the radar.... a guy who's stuck behind a top draft pick or pro-bowler on somebody else's roster (kinda like Michael Turner, although he's not the best example since we all knew he was a pro-bowl caliber player). Maybe a 3rd year WR who's due for a breakout? Or a guy who's being neglected or mis-used on his current team?
Last off-season, the Bears were in desperate need of WRs. All we added were Brandon "Friggin" Lloyd and "Old" Marty Booker. We could've signed Antonio Bryant... but apparently had zero interest. Wow.
I'll start it off: aquire Michael Bush from Oakland in a trade to compliment Matt Forte and give us some Thunder in the backfield.
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We'll trade you back Berrian
If you tell us the secret to Orton’s neck beard.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 15, 2008 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is a combo
of Chi Pet mix and Miracle Gro.
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by Adam T on Dec 15, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Naw, that's ok.
We’ll keep Briggs.
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 15, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, good post idea
I like the thought process with Bush. Bush was a draft pick just two years ago, correct? I don’t know how easily it would be to get away from Oakland.
I’ll give the topic a think and see if I can come up with anyone.
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by Adam T on Dec 15, 2008 1:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually
he was going to be traded to the Chargers at the deadline this year for like a 5th and a 6th (I don’t really know how that deal broke up). The Raiders were even talking about moving him to FB, shows how much they value him (cough sarcasm cough). I think he would be a great power type back to pair up with Forte, and maybe the short yardage back we need.
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by thecoolest on Dec 15, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In which case
if he fits go for it.
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by Adam T on Dec 15, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Give me one of the Giants Dlineman
WIth Osi coming back next year, they will have an extra player. That whole Dline is crazy good.
by McRipper on Dec 15, 2008 2:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Okay with Bush
I don’t know much about him but if he is thunder like you say he must be a big guy. Forte is awesome but he does seem to have a hard time on the goal line. So someone like a Lendale White would be nice.
I still say they look at Matt Cassell, Orton’s been fine but it would be nice to have a play making quarterback only if he is not asking for too much
If they can’t get Boldin, possibly Steve Breaston from Arizona also he was good when filling in for Boldin earlier this year
by chase17 on Dec 15, 2008 4:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bush was a Heisman candidate 2 years ago, but broke his leg mid-way through the year.
The Raiders drafted him with the first overall pick on day two of the 2007 draft (4th round), and red-shirted him last year. This year, he’s gotten some playing time and looked good, but the Raiders drafted McFadden and also re-signed Fargas. So, there’s a crowd in the backfield.
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by SackMan on Dec 15, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can I also say that
Forte isn’t exactly lightning. He is a complete 3 down back. He isn’t a speedster.
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by Adam T on Dec 15, 2008 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want a power back who can complement him.
Bush is 245lbs… but can bust a move, unlike Ron Dayne, or Lendale White.
1. We suck at short yardage… more a testament of how bad our line is.
2. When Forte gets a breather, we can pound Bush (ha ha, I just said pound Bush)… and soften up the D.
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by SackMan on Dec 16, 2008 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh... BTW
Bush is also a pretty good receiver out of the backfield… so our offense wouldn’t be predictable with him in the game.
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by SackMan on Dec 16, 2008 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good topic, hard to answer though
because it assumes he’s being neglected in another system but would shine in ours…. we seem to do things the other way around here (neglect guys that end up shining in other systems)
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 15, 2008 4:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We pretty much need to win now.
The D is getting old. I say draft USC safety Taylor Mays. He’s an Adrian Wilson clone. It’s time to say bye bye to Brown. I love the guy, but it’s time.
Bolster the O Line somehow, and get a legit WR, whether it’s Boldin, Houzh, or Bryant.
Get a young, creative D Cordinator, preferably a former Bear. Hampton? Dent?
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by ARAM FOR MVP on Dec 15, 2008 6:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just for the record
lets seperate Boldin, TJ and then Bryant. One is nowhere near like the others. Boldin, TJ or for some of you Burress are the guys to start. If we can’t nab one of them then maybe we look at Bryant.
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by Adam T on Dec 15, 2008 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW... some offensive lineman out there:
Vernon Carey, RT/G, Miami = Former 1st round pick… a big 350lb+ bully, played guard at the “U”, and has been starting at RT for Miami. Would definitely be a huge boost to our running game. Carey should be our TOP FA PRIORITY.
Jon Stinchcomb, RT, New Orleans = Bye-bye John St.Clair Tait, hello Mr. Stinchomb.
Harvey Dahl, RG, Atlanta = The starting RG for one of the best running teams in the NFL.
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by SackMan on Dec 15, 2008 7:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No problem with any of them
but can we start on the left side and work our way over?
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by Adam T on Dec 15, 2008 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you can find guys on the left side who are available...
We just drafted a LT… I’m assuming he’s going to play LT for us.
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by SackMan on Dec 16, 2008 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW... this should come as no surprise to you
but, according to Football Outsiders, the Bears O-line ranks #30 out of 32 in getting stuffed in run blocking. Only Detroit and Cinci are worse in that department.
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by SackMan on Dec 15, 2008 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ced... and his 3.1 YPC for 2008....
LOL.
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by SackMan on Dec 16, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A couple guys I wouldn't mind seeing the Bears bring in:
RB Correll Buckhalter (sp?) – very good back when healthy, would still be pretty tough to pry away from the Igglez though
S Michael Johnson – young, versatile safety on the Giants. They probably won’t want to deal him, but they have a good deal of depth at the position
WR Maurice Stovall – ton of potential, but hasn’t been able to do anything so far. Big bodied WR might just need a change of scenery
WR Dwayne Jarrett – kind of the same story as Stovall, ton of potential, but it seems as if the Panthers might have soured on him
Those are just off the top of my head, I might come back if I could think of more.
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by thecoolest on Dec 15, 2008 10:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like
Buckhalter, but his injury concerns are not worth the risk.
Stovall and Jarrett, no thanks. Nothing against them, but I want an established guy or at least one who has been productive in the league. We have plenty of could be good some day receivers.
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by Adam T on Dec 15, 2008 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We really don't have any "could be good someday" WRs...
Unless you count the absolute unknown: Bennett.
For that reason, I like the suggestions of Stovall and Jarrett, although I haven’t seen much of them. They’re the type of guys I want to discuss in this thread.
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by SackMan on Dec 16, 2008 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
but I still want at least one established receiver.
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by Adam T on Dec 16, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We told Moose to take a hike this year...
And he caught more passes (54), for more yards (764), than any WR on our team. Plus… he actually blocks people downfield in the running game… something NONE of our current WRs do at all aside from Booker.
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by SackMan on Dec 16, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
consistant players
I dont think it would take very much to get Tory Holt from fhe Rams. He is in the last year of his contract and you could get rid of Booker,Loyd and Davis. Lorenzo Neil would be a great addition at FB.
by luckie815 on Dec 24, 2008 6:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Buckhalter is a FA after the season
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by SackMan on Dec 16, 2008 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FA v. Draft?
I wish for the bears to draft both Taylor Mays and Percy Harvin in the upcoming NFL draft. I’d be thrilled with either one of the tho… are harvin and hester too similar? do we need more of a crabtree type wr (who doesn’t)?
in neither FA nor the Draft do i have a great deal of faith in the bears… i just don’t see the bears spending the $ to land a big time FA, i just don’t see it… (not like my wish for 2 1st rounders is ever gonna happen either)
re: sleepers I like jeriuos norwood. spell rb is 1 of several areas of concern. Garrett Wolfe still intrigues me tho. percy harvin in that role…
Re the draft:
1. until the Vikings lose, i’ve given up hope for this season. it is what it is…
2. typical bears, lose so many games and not make the playoffs, but win enough games to not get a good 1st round draft pick… without which the same scenario is bound to repeat. What I’m thinking is the Lions draft Tebow if he enters the draft, altering the balance of power in the division… while the bears use their middle of the pack 1st round pick on a bust offensive lineman… matt ryan to the falcons v. chris williams to the bears
by No It All on Dec 16, 2008 9:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If we can't get a top flight WR in a trade or otherwise....
I would love for us to trade up and try and get Crabtree if he comes out. If we trade up and miss on Crabtree, then we can always take the best OT, or trade down again. Percy Harvin, while great, is too small for WR for us, only because we have a stable of sub 6’ WRs that can’t break press coverage. How Hester is still strictly playing as an outside WR is ridiculous…move him all over the place and make the defense account for him AND Olsen (who already moves all over the place). Imagine adding those two wrinkles to the offense, moving Olsen AND Hester all over the formation all the time.
by escolio on Dec 16, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we decide to trade up in the 1st round to take a WR
I’d rather just trade our 1st round pick for Boldin. Removes the potential of a bust from the equation… and I’d rather spend the money on Boldin, instead of giving some huge signing bonus to a rookie.
If I were a GM in this league… this would pretty much be my standard 1st round draft policy…. with exceptions of course.
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by SackMan on Dec 16, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I just have a man crush on Crabtree, but
all I see when I look at him is Larry Ftizgerald
by escolio on Dec 16, 2008 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you maybe
you have a man crush on Fitz not Crabtree.
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by Adam T on Dec 16, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
we can approach this as lets not take Harvin because he is small and we have small. Everybody on our receiver roster should not be considered when bringing in receivers. If Harvin is the best option that we can get, than get him and bring in receivers around him who are different.
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by Adam T on Dec 16, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
current wrs (not #23)
may be 6 ft or under but other than that are not like Harvin who is a game breaker/impact player whatever u wanna call it. with Hester and Harvin on each side of the offense dfenses would not be able to play the umbrella coverage against hester (not on both sides of the field). Imagine the number of 20+ yd pass interference calls we’d get in our favor with hester and harvin….
according to most mock drafts harvin gets drafted in the late 1st round, making him easier to get than crabtree who is projected top 5
“If Harvin is the best option that we can get, than get him and bring in receivers around him who are different.” isn’t this the strategy they should be using re: hester, now? i guess my ? is would harvin be different enough to compliment hester or are they too similar?
by No It All on Dec 16, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just gonna throw this out there...
Orton isn’t exactly known for his superb accuracy in the mid-to-long range.
If he’s our QB for the long-term… it would be nice to have a tall target who can go up and get some bad throws.
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by SackMan on Dec 16, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't argue that
I just don’t want to pass over a better receiver to get one that matches Orton. If Orton can’t make the throw, than we need to find somebody who can.
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by Adam T on Dec 16, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line is
We need someone that can create some separation from a defender who can catch (unlike #23). I still say go for Boldin even though he may be expensive. Get him and mix in the Lloyds, Hesters, Bennetts, etc.. and it will be a huge upgrade with our TE mix. Then bolster the Oline and you have something.
by tfrabotta on Dec 16, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care so much about price
We end up wasting money on receivers who aren’t any good. Might as well spend it on one who is. The only two positions, barring a decision at QB, that I want to see the Bears spend money on is OL and WR.
We can address D through the draft and if any money is left some mid range pick ups.
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by Adam T on Dec 17, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly what needs to happen..
Bears trade their first pick for Boldin…however, who would throw him the ball? and who would block for the man throwing him the ball?? We have so many holes on this team that as much as I’d love Boldin I’d rather trade our pick for multiple picks…kind of like we did the year we got Hester.
by Glen Bishop on Dec 16, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of multiple picks
all it seems to be getting us is special teams players and depth. I want to start bringing in some top notch talent.
Get Boldin if you can, then build around him. If you only spend FA money on Boldin and offensive line, the offense gets significantly better.
We have everybody on the D signed, so the money should be there. Use what is left of the draft to get D.
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by Adam T on Dec 16, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think about
having Boldin, Forte, Olsen On offense. Pretty damn good. You can put anybody on the other side. Williams with a years experience at LT, new guard and we may have something. Not that worried about Orton, I have seen enough of a spark to see if the team around him improves he will improve with it.
by tfrabotta on Dec 16, 2008 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm cool with that
I still want to see them address the line though.
Olsen gets better automatically by giving him better receivers and a line. Whether he can take the next step on his own, I don’t know.
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by Adam T on Dec 17, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, KERRY RHODES!!!!!! How great would that be...
then we wouldn’t have to draft a safety with a high pick, and Payne and Brown could split time at SS.
by escolio on Dec 16, 2008 9:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think it might be time to
offer Brown a coaching job.
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by Adam T on Dec 16, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brown/Payne combo isn't so bad as long as they're sharing the SS position....
but Brown as a coach I can totally see.
by escolio on Dec 16, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Darren Sproles or Derrick Ward or Ricky Williams
by escolio on Dec 16, 2008 9:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think we already have Darren Sproles on our team...
Are coaches just don’t know it.
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by SackMan on Dec 16, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Love the Idea but....
I saw marques Colston on the list as a restricted free agent and damn near had a heart attack but then i realized that it is not updated as to signings but to the best of my knowledge Tackles:Jordan Black,Vernon Carey,Marvel Smith,Tra Thomas all havent been signed and Guards:Jahri Evans is an RFA and would be a significant upgrade over beekman although I’d sign Carey or Smith and move St Clair over to guard to help tutor Williams next year. The Cards are supposedly looking for at least a 1,3 and a 5 for
boldin which is col with me…. Patrick Chung from Oregon is another guy that the bears should look at to team with Payne and Steltz and Mcgowan.
by scespy12 on Dec 16, 2008 12:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boldin, Boldin, Boldin, Boldin, Boldin
Did I say that enough? Give em a 2010 first round and whatever to get that guy in house. Does it all catch , run, block..awesome. The problem with some of those Olineman is that I am not sure they are any better than Garza or an up and coming Beekman. 2009 first round pick is a stud off guard to drop right in at either spot. We an get a back up rb anywhere late in draft or FA pickup. But someone with speed. Derrick Ward unrestricted FA??
by tfrabotta on Dec 16, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They would probably want this year's first rounder
They will assume with Boldin and another year experience for Forte will make the pick too low. Get it now while it is middle of the pack.
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by Adam T on Dec 17, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
except
They may not be able to afford to pay 2 first rounders this year.
by tfrabotta on Dec 18, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe, I am not familiar
with their cap situation. Though with 2 Firsts they can package them and trade up if they want or move back down and pick up more picks later. Still more valuable.
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by Adam T on Dec 18, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to bad of an idea
But Beekman got his job by default and grarza isnt going aywhere but any of the guys on that list are better than john tait at this point and this yar seems like a weak guard draft a good tackle draft with about 5 teams that will draft below us that have already got the left tackle or right tackle spot filled so we my get a great deal on one of the tackles out there so we would have a good tackle tandem then we need to get some sort of reciever that can catch the damn ball!
And Seriously lay off KO… Tony Romo came in a couple of years ago and was less accurate and threw way more interceptions than kyle, yeah kyle has had some bad games lately but he has shown the ability to be great! if he gets blocking on a consistent basis and a half decent reciever he will be a pro bowler for sure!
by scespy12 on Dec 16, 2008 2:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I could care less about Kyle's numbers...
all that matters is the “C” on his uniform (something Rex NEVER got) and the number of W’s
by escolio on Dec 16, 2008 6:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if we want a top WR, the draft probably isn't our friend
it usually takes WRs a few years to develop. a few do it very quickly (boldin, fitzgerald, colston, etc.), but its really risky. better to spend the money and buy a proven one. boldin is worth a #1 and something, but we need to hold on to a few first day picks because we have some needs. like an athletic FS. either we move tillman back there and draft a DB early (1st/2nd round), or draft a FS early. we also need more help on the O-line. either draft or sign a RT – tait is near the end of his run. hopefully williams will be good on the left side next year. finally, our d-line needs work. wale is done as a very good end. either restructure his deal or cut him, then either draft or buy a top edge rusher. OR, get a big DT that can play the run and create pressure. i’m talking about a pat williams-like DT. that would help free up tommie harris, and everyone else on the d-line. and finally…it is painfully obvious this year that our coaches are not up to par. at the very least, babich needs to go. we have stubbornly stuck to a defense that doesn’t work with our players most of the time. we should have had our DBs playing more physical during the TB game and onwards, when it became obvious our DL couldn’t get pressure on short drops. we have the worst blitzes in the league. and turner is so damn inconsistent. he has great games, terrible games, and great and terrible parts of games. lovie should be on thin ice, too. he stays because the organization won’t eat his contract. but the others need to go. and lovie has lost the right to pick whoever he wants as coaches.
by guy incognito on Dec 16, 2008 7:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Statistically very few
rookie WRs make a big impact. I’m not interested in sitting through and another guy gets used to the position at this level. We are already waiting on Hester. I want a guy who we can plug in now, somewhere near his prime and lets move forward.
Boldin by default makes the rest of our receivers better. Not saying that is the only move we should make at receiver, but it does lessen the coverage and attention they get.
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by Adam T on Dec 17, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Housh
I know he’s not under the radar really, but I can’t think of anyone who’ll be a FA next year that’s behind someone else more prominent. Boldin of course would be my first choice. But I think Housh is worth every penny he’d ask for as well. He is big, can separate, and can catch. Exactly what we need. We need a receiver that get off press coverage and catch a pass that might not be exactly where it should be on a consistent basis. My god, if the guy can catch 90+ balls from Ryan Fitzpatrick and no running game, imagine what he could do here.
The Michael Bush suggestion is great. I think that guy would be awesome splitting carries with Forte.
On another note. Would you want Chicago picking up Plaxico Burress (for cheap)?
by Subotai on Dec 18, 2008 8:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely NO Burress!?
If we get Burress, we might as well pick up Antonio Bryant, Chris Henry, and trade for Pacman Jones and Tank Johnson from the Cowboys. We absolutely do not need to combine players with a history of problems with the law that also have problems listening to their coaches with a player’s coach such as Lovie Smith. Lovie would get walked all over by Plax, or anyone else who is crazy (such as the aforementioned players).
Also, we need another RB besides Micheal Bush. And if we were to get Bush, he would absolutely need to turned into an H-back to maximize his pass catching and speed in combination with his size, and then we would need another back too. Darren Sproles!!! Could you imagine being able to chose between Manning, Hester, and Sproles to return kicks?!! It would allow us to rotate them through and prevent teams from game planning for 1 returner, and instead plan for 3!!
by escolio on Dec 18, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many RBs do you plan on carrying on your roster?
Forte’s our #1
Bush is our discussed addition
Peterson is our special teams ace and adequate back-up
Wolfe is already on the fringe
So… where’s room fir another?
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by SackMan on Dec 18, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wolfe
is nothing more than a good ST player. He is not going to be a feature back or used for more than situational play. The Bears kept Kevin Jones off the roster, so they can help the ST and Wolfe still saw not more playing time than before.
If the Bears don’t resign Jones and they have an opportunity to bring in Bush and actually use him then Wolfe get sacrificed.
The Bears can and should carry 4 RBs if two of them are primary players on ST.
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by Adam T on Dec 18, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sacrifice Peterson not Wolfe
Peterson is getting older, Wolfe is making plays all game long on special teams. At this point I think he is more valuable. He is one of the backs on punts and can be used for a fake when necessary. He has been lightning down the field covering kicks and making tackles, and he can be a back up returner. Although Peterson use to be a special teams ace, I would say that Wolfe is contributing more and he is cheaper. Either one of them would end up being the third back on that roster.
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by #23 on Dec 20, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Housh will be 32 years old next September
Boldin will be 29 next October…
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by SackMan on Dec 18, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Break the bank for Boldin.
I like Housh, but I’d rather have Boldin. Boldin is worth breaking the bank for. Do whatever, pay whatever for that man. I didn’t take in to account how old Housh will be. He is a bit old to drop a boatload of money on. Too similar to Moose. He’s awesome. but for how much longer.
All this talk about Boldin. He might not want to come to CHI. It’s cold. He’s from Florida, played at FSU, and then is playing in Arizona, all warm weather/Dome. Wonder how he’d like that Chicago weather?
by Subotai on Dec 18, 2008 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is boldin worth the price?
i’ve got to imagine the cards will want 2 #1’a, and will probably settle for a 1st and 2nd, or a 1st, 3rd, and 4th. that is a HELL of a lot to give up for a team with as many needs to fill (RT, DE, DT, FS, CB, WR) as us, any of which we could conceivably get in the early rounds of the draft. boldin is a beast, definitely, but i think it’d be too much if it was more than a 1st and 3rd.
by guy incognito on Dec 18, 2008 6:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boldin is absolutely worth the price
He has speed and size.
To follow your point, does his value or ability go down if he isn’t playing next to Fitz? Fair question. I think he can. If we get Boldin we either need Hester to develop into or get a guy like a Welker or Stokley. A fast guy who knows how to take advantage of the holes Boldin has created.
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by Adam T on Dec 19, 2008 7:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think boldin is awesome anywhere
fitz or no fitz, he’s going to get his. again, i think 2 first day picks is a fair price for him, but i just don’t know if we can afford it, considering our many holes.
by guy incognito on Dec 19, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points.
I think realistically we need to get the OL moving as #1 priority. WR and DE as #2 priority.
Sometimes you can’t do it all in one year. Last year we took a good step. OL, Safety, DT, & RB positions got at minimum good depth and likely starters. We still may have a shot at a WR & CB in Bennet and Bowman as well from that draft. That is not counting Hanie, depending on if you feel the guy has any potential to help the team win in the future.
This season hopefully we can do the same and add 3-4 good fixes and 2 more with some good potential.
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by #23 on Dec 20, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
value vs. talent
I got 2 words for you ………..JON KITNA i know it sounds lame at first but think. we can give him the running game and time to pass detroit could not. Hes gonna be cheaper than cassell. he knows our divisional opponents defenses. point 2) trade draft picks for boldin and michael bush. (1,5,6) bring in stichcomb from saints, fire babich, fire turner, put lovie on notice and make our overpriced defense play for lovies job. see you in the 09-10 superbowl my friends
by WavyGravy on Dec 19, 2008 9:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is a horrible idea
I don’t mean to diss anyone trying.
- Ron Turner will stay and should stay. The worst thing we could do to Orton’s development is make him learn a new offense. Turner has had some bright moments this year and is much more creative than we have seen in past seasons. He is actually using the strength of most players on the team like moving Olsen around and giving him jump balls, using Forte out of the backfield as an extension of the running game, and mixing up the play calling on first down. Some games we actually pass more than run. Sometimes we should have ran, but at least he is a little less predictable. If he would can the full back dive, he is doing a solid job this year.
- Babich can go and that may happen. It is obvious to me though that the players aren’t getting the job done though, so it is hard to pin it all on him. With that said, the guy still doesn’t seem to be very good. I love the Marinelli idea and thought the same thing myself a few years ago. Love and Marinelli coached together in Tampa and have a relationship and Marinelli got to be a head coach because he was a good defensive coordinator. That sounds like a good marriage.
- Jon Kitna is a joke. You might as well keep Rex. That guy turns the ball over all the time. And you can point to Mike Martz, but the guy had Roy Williams, Calvin Johnson, and Looker at WR which is a good group and had Kevin Jones in the backfield last season. He is a turnover machine and that goes against our coaching philosophy. Also, Mike Martz made Kitna look better than he is. He does that with all his QB’s. Look at Bulger and Kitna’s drop off after he left. They plummeted into nothingness. Yeah he is cheaper than Cassell and he is also never going to be better. We have seen the best of Kitna and it isn’t that good. Cassell is still progressing.
- I agree that Stinchcomb is very good lineman and worth having, but isn’t Guard the position on the line we need the most help? We get no push up the middle on good defenses. That keeps us out of the endzone and makes third and short very tough. With that said it is still hard to pass up a good player on a line that needs to improve.
- I think for Boldin you are talking 3 draft picks, probably a 1, 3 & 4 or a 1 & 2 & 6. For Bush you are probably talking a 2 or 3. I would be fine with 3 picks for Boldin or one pick for Bush, but not both players and using 4. Now if you used 4 picks and got Boldin and a OL or DE, I would be fine with that. Backup running back is more of a luxury considering our other more pressing needs.
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by #23 on Dec 20, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On Marinelli, I meant to say a few weeks ago.
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by #23 on Dec 20, 2008 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So some FA's I would like to see
QB – Cassell, Garcia, Warner, and Rex – Ok, so that is a handful and a great place to start debates. We all know why on Cassell. For Garcia and Warner it would be about wining it all now which I believe both could do. It would hurt our chances to keep Orton though but it could mean a Superbowl if we made other good moves this offseason. Both would need a #1 receiver brought in. Now for Rex. He makes a great backup. For real he does. He knows are system and isn’t as bad as you all think. He isn’t the fumble monster, his receivers have sucked, and the running game and OL last season was abysmal. With Forte, the good pass blocking we’ve seen this year, and adding a #1 receiver, Rex would be a huge plus at backup QB. He could even push to take the job from Orton if his accuracy doesn’t get better. Rex would put up a lot of points with that team.
RB – Fred Taylor – the guy would be a great backup and might be cheep considering that Shaun Alexander and Kevin Jones and Cedric Benson and Rudi Johnson had hard times finding jobs last season
RB – Correll Buckhalter – He has about 3 years left in him and is a great backup. He can catch which is a plus.
FB – Lorenzon Neal – Um, can you say LT. Yeah this guy helped make LT a monster. LT is good on his own, but a guy like Neal is super valuable. I would take him over any other running back. You could probably add at least .5 yards per rush onto any running back he block for, maybe more.
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by #23 on Dec 20, 2008 10:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I also like
WR – Antonio Bryant
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by #23 on Dec 20, 2008 11:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling
that he’s gonna get locked up on a long term deal w/ TB. If he does somehow manage to get to FA, I wouldn’t mind the Bears pursuing him. I’m not sure if this year was a fluke year. He has a lot of talent, but always seems to get in trouble.
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by thecoolest on Dec 21, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Braylon Edwards?
He recently suggested he would like a change of scenery, the Browns have a lot of needs so there are probably a few ways we could match up.
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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Dec 21, 2008 7:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to have him
But if he’s whining about being in Cleveland, wouldn’t he hate it here more?
And besides, all those drops scare me a little.
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by thecoolest on Dec 21, 2008 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but the guy is huge. A big receiver is so valuable.
I can’t explain all the drops this year, but he caught everything last season. He must have the Moose “I don’t feel like playing today” Blues
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by #23 on Dec 21, 2008 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't like being in Cleveland because
he feels that he isn’t appreciated because he is a Michigan Alum and most Browns fans are Ohio State fans…I’m sure the losing is starting to get to him too but hopefully we finally have our qb
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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Dec 22, 2008 5:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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