Bears Alive....Somehow?, Beat Packers in OT 20-17
by Adam T on Dec 22, 2008 11:28 PM CST
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A blue and orange dressed Santa Claus just gave a golden football to little baby Jesus. That is how lucky and unlikely it was for the Bears should leave Soldier Field with a win and it is the very reason they keep putting the Bears on TV. The Bears are incapable of just beating a team. When Kyle Orton took the field for the first drive of overtime, I told my wife he would throw an interception, the Packer who picked it would fumble it and then a Bears player would pick it up and return it for a TD and I felt I had good odds of that happening.
Do you remember the old Super Fan SNL bits? Where Farley's character kept having minor heart attacks? That is what it is like to be watching a Bears game.
The Bears defense and special teams did everything humanly possible to win this game and Kyle Orton and the offense, but mostly Orton tried to give it away.
Our offense sucks. It has sucked, does suck and will suck. It mostly sucks, always sucks, doth sucketh. It ubersucks, continues to suck, sucks on monumental levels and sucks massively. It sucks on the North Pole, South Pole and in most South American countries.
The Bears have to address every position on offense with the exception of RB and TE.
If the Bears enter training camp with Kyle Orton as the number 1 and do not have a legitimate competition or do not outright have a new QB (Grossman and Hanie are not legitimate competition), it is a complete indictment of Bears management and ownership. It is Lovie Smith's fault for not arguing long enough with Jerry Angelo. It is Angelo's fault for not being able to properly evaluate offensive positions and it is ownerships fault for letting Smith and/or Angelo continue to make horrible decisions at the QB position.
Angelo needs to be putting every possible offensive free agent and available player in his speed dial. Yes, it would be nice to go after Albert Haynesworth and some secondary help, but they have to address the offense.
I don't care how unlikely any of these situations are all of the agents for these players need to at least be contacted.
QB
Donovan McNabb
Matt Cassel
WR
Anquan Boldin
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Plaxico Burress
Devery Henderson
Plus a host of solid #2 receivers
OLine
Matt Birk
Marc Columbo(go figure)
Mike Goff
Jordan Gross
There are also a list of second tier line players that we need to look at
When the offensive coordinator takes the ball out of your hands in crunch time, it means you are not the guy we need to take this team to the next level.
So hopefully you didn't eat any seven layer chilli cheese dip otherwise I don't envy the heartburn this game may have given you, but if you are still up try to give me your thoughts on what the hell just happened.
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while you are at it, add secondary to the list..
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by Chanman25 on Dec 22, 2008 11:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned we needed to look at it
but we have to start on the offensive side.
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by Adam T on Dec 22, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I guess so
I think Orton will be our QB next year. If he doesn’t have a good year, the draft class for QB in 2010 will be good with Tebow, McCoy, and Harrell.
As for WR: I’d like to have Bolden. I think you can cross Plaxico off that list, considering he may be playing for a penitentiary team..
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by Chanman25 on Dec 22, 2008 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I agree the quarterback class has the potential to be good in 2010, however Tebow will not be good in the NFL, he might be the best college football player but his delivery takes about three days and he is not very accurate. Plus Graham Harrell is a senior this year, he will be n the 2009 class. Bradford(if he doesn’t come out this year), McCoy, and possibly Josh Freeman will be the good qbs in 2010.
Not really on the same side but I think the Bears should give TJ Houshmandzeh whatever he wants to bring him to Chicago next year. It’s a better chance than getting Boldin plus I think he is better.
by chase17 on Dec 23, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow
is also likely to come out this year, so he won’t be apart of the 2010 class.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They say
he will likely be swtich to an H-back type player like Cooley.
by Twins Territory on Dec 28, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think the secondary is as much of a problem
as the scheme they are running.
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
by Jbasic89 on Dec 23, 2008 4:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll buy that
then there needs to be a wholesale change of the scheme.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 7:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I thought Corey Graham played really well, its just those underneath and quick slant routes that kill us. And again with the showing the blitzes, aside from Manning, did they get any real pressure on Rodgers? I know they had some successful run blitzes but we just cant stop that underneath stuff to save our lives.
by CurtisConway on Dec 23, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No WRs
Don’t touch a FA WR until we have the QB and OL fixed. They won’t do a thing if the QB can’t get them the ball and the QB can’t do that with a porous OLine.
by bs1220 on Dec 22, 2008 11:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Again, I want argue that and that won't matter
no FA receiver is going to come here if we don’t change.
I’m asking for changes/additions at all.
If we trade for Boldin he has no choice in it, so we can start with him, then use him to help lure a better QB.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 7:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
#2
The best teams have the best lines. Build a line and the rest will come.
by bs1220 on Dec 22, 2008 11:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Screw FA right now
We just won a monster of a game….we needed it and we got it. Season ain’t over until the fat lady sings, boys and girls.
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 22, 2008 11:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Amen brother...
Reminded me of not too long ago, when I just kept thinking…. we’re not that good. Then we would block a kick or intercept a pass…. and win. But we weren’t that good…. and we’d strip the ball from the QB’s hands or run back a punt… and we’d win. And somehow, we ended up in the Super Bowl. But we weren’t that good.
But we weren’t that good… just like right now. Right now, we’re not that good. But we keep blocking kicks and getting turnovers. Defense and special teams. And who knows…. maybe NYG doesn’t rest all of their starters, and beats Minn… and maybe the Texans stink it up… and then we win the division… and then maybe win a game or two in the playoffs…and then… Maybe…
But nah… we’re not that good…
But a great game tonight. And I swear to Gawd… I KNEW… KNEW we would block that field goal… I told my GF we would block it, then went downstairs to get a beer. I heard her scream when we blocked it, then returned upstairs smugly… But we’re not that good…
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by Dane Noble on Dec 23, 2008 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha i also said out loud
that there is no chance that the Packers make that field goal. something deep inside of me knew that Orton would get bailed out again
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
by Jbasic89 on Dec 23, 2008 4:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah great game
Gotta love it when you have to rely on a blocked field goal that you “knew” would happen to win.
Your right the bears are really good, I mean they totally dominated what should have been the weaker team. They offense in particular looked really good.
This team is not going to the super bowl, give me a break. If we were in any other division we would be in the basement.
by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 7:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
Isn’t it strange that we really believe that blocking a field goal is really a good probability.
Did this game remind anyone of the Arizona game. Oh sure we didn’t do it in 4 minutes or whatever, but zero offense for almost the whole game and then somehow right at the end putting everything together to squeak out a win. It felt amazing to still be alive and to see that win. I felt like we just earned a trip to the Superbowl. It really does feel like the playoffs for me right now.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok Let's Get Real Here
That was not a great game last night. We were LUCKY to win that game last night. And I don’t want to keep relying on luck season after season. We need to build a solid football team!!!!
by bpayton34 on Dec 23, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It'll be interesting to see
if TMQ brings back “Ming Ding Xiong (”Bears whose outcomes are decided by fate" in Chinese)" for describing us after the game tonight.
--Torch
by torch on Dec 22, 2008 11:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree, the Bears need at least one of those players.
In addition to that, Jerry Angelo should do whatever is in his power to acquire as many first, second and third round picks as possible. If that means trading a significant contributor, so be it. With the coming restructuring of the collective bargaining agreement and the inevitable rookie salary structure, there is supposed to be a huge rush of early entrants into the draft, meaning there will be a likely spillover of high-level talent into the second and third round. I think if the Bears can acquire two or three extra day one picks that would go a long way to improving this team down the line.
by dakoose on Dec 22, 2008 11:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But remember we are talking about Jerry Angelo
The guy has a complete inability to forecast and gauge offensive prospects… so what would be the point?
Its people like Angelo and the McCaskey family that make me lose total faith in the Bears orginization.
by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we need to solidify both lines
the OL is pretty bad on the run this year. get a new RT and maybe a new guard, along with williams, and you’re probably much improved. the DL needs to generate pressure without blitzing. either restructure, or cut, wale’s deal. he’s not an elite pass rusher anymore. draft/sign either a big, strong DT (this undersized stuff hasn’t worked that well), or a great pass rusher. cut vasher or trade him. consider moving tillman to FS, or draft an uber FS in the 1st or 2nd round. finally, the WR problem…boldin is going to cost too many picks for a team with our holes. tj would be nice, but i’d be happy with henderson, too. davis should be kept as a slot receiver, the role he’s really best at. devin can be a good #2. we need guys who can get open. minus hester, and lloyd (who we never throw to anymore – i love our coaches), our wideouts disappear when we play physical DBs.
by guy incognito on Dec 23, 2008 12:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+10000000
- Our offense becomes very consistent with a good offensive line to allow Forte to be a beast the whole game instead of in spurts. Orton can throw short and get us first downs if we can run the ball better. He did it with this piece of crap set of WR’s. FA, get a definite on the line, preferably guard so we can get some push up the middle.
- If our defensive line starts getting more pressure, they will end drives with turnovers and 3rd and long sacks and hurries. Getting that one tackle for loss whether a sack or running play will help end more drives.
- I’ve never considered Tillman as a safety. I wonder if that is even possible.
- I’m very much in favor of getting Vashers salary back to spend on someone else. If we could get a 3-5 pick for him, it would be worth it to us. He may even be productive again next year for another team.
- Hester and Lloyd plus Bryant, Burress, Henderson, or Housh would be nice. Toomer is also available if you want him for a year or two to get bye. We also have Bennet to develop and we should draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd again.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want anything to with Lloyd,
and coincidentally, he doesn’t want anything to do with the game of football. The guy is a head case and takes months off because of broken fingernails. Sure he’s talented, but so are a lot of guys. There’s a reason the Bears signed him for that cheap…. he’s a waste of money.
by dakoose on Dec 23, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He makes a good backup WR.
We need those as well. He can catch and get open. How many players on our team can you say that about. It isn’t like we are going to bring in 4 new WR’s next year. Someone has to stay.
Is he a head case? Yes. Is he expensive, no. That is why you keep him. A cheap guy with talent that can help you win at a position you desperately need help. Keep him around. He is very, very cheap man. 800K for a wide receiver.
You can’t have every position making 3 and 4 million. You need some inexpensive vets. You need guys that can produce, but aren’t stars. You need rookies on the roster from the 3-7th rounds to lower your cap to get a few great players on your team that you can pay 5-10 million a year.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering the games you should have won against CAR and ATL
This Minn fan gives you your due – very impressive win tonight (who knows, maybe you’ll squeak in at #6 and we can repeat our showdown at the Metrodome *wink*)
by mjmrad on Dec 23, 2008 2:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
(cuz you know Eli can’t beat the purple people eaters – his worst ratings are against us…)
by mjmrad on Dec 23, 2008 2:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eli stinks anyways.
He has a few good stretches, but his talent around him is incredible. Defense, WR’s, TE’s, RB’s, OL. Come on!
With that said, without your best rule breaker, your defense is much more suseptable to the run. So no matter who the Giants play at RB, I see you guys having problems. Earth, Wind, and Fire can all gash a team for 150 yards.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
Michael Turner didn’t exactly light it up last week…
by mjmrad on Dec 23, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What? No love for Vernon Carey on your list.
He’s my top FA O-lineman for us!
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by SackMan on Dec 23, 2008 3:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I saw the name
just wasn’t going to jot down every name just yet, so I just went with the top few guys on the list I had.
He will get mentioned in the off season.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The main thing with fixing this offense...
Our head coach’s philosophy is that “We’re a running team.”
If that’s what you want to be, then by all means, please assemble an offensive line that can run the football with authority…
We are the 3rd worst team in the NFL on short yardage… the only two teams who are “stuffed” more than we are: Cinci and Detroit.
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by SackMan on Dec 23, 2008 3:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
pre Benson cinci probably
Benson is a beast… haha i still want to see the play where he got a 79 yard catch a few weeks ago. I don’t believe that it actually happened…
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
by Jbasic89 on Dec 23, 2008 4:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
After running for 171 against the Brownies...
That sucker is still averaging a whopping 3.4 YPC in 2008.
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by SackMan on Dec 23, 2008 5:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you guys read the comments on the Vikings site at the Dailynorseman?
It is absolutely hilarious to read the comments as it goes from how much the Bears suck to how much the Packers suck to how lady luck was on the bears side and now Minnesota is gonna get screwed again. It’s hilarious how many Vikings fans put the blame on other teams before putting the blame on themselves.
by aznsensation on Dec 23, 2008 3:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well... they're right. We suck, and so do the Packers.
But, at least we can admit that we suck, and are in complete shock that we still have a chance.
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by SackMan on Dec 23, 2008 4:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing Lovie has done right and is still saving us
is his insistence on turnovers. I know other teams practice it to, but there is something about the way Smith beats it into the guys and they buy in to it.
Every time we get one of these kinds of wins something ‘special’ or ‘lucky’ happens. Maybe it ain’t so much luck.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 7:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
Yesterdays game was pretty damn lucky. Had that punted ball not hit that packer (can’t remember who it is) we would have lost. We also blocked two field goals, not saying that those two plays were bad. But there is always luck in blocking the field goal.
by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 7:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we blocked the first.
Maybe we did, but from the replays I saw it looked it was a bad kick and Urlacher had a finger close to the trajectory of the kick.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to think Mike Brown was lucky too, until I realized the guy has great vision
and puts himself in position to make a play.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
great
and that’s true for mike brown, or at least it used to be. unfortunatley not what this team does
by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wish he could still do it.
I think he is solid and helps us, but he isn’t good or great anymore. This team does have a lot of guys that put themselves in bad positions throughout the game.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry bears fans, but Mike B is right...
The coin toss in OT against BOTH the Saints and Packers went your way, and there’s not much skill involved in that…
by mjmrad on Dec 23, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
There is skill involved in losing seven fumbles tho.
Buh-bye!
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why did Peterson attack Blackman out of bounds anyway?
You’re lucky Crosby didn’t make that FG
by mjmrad on Dec 23, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how you have no response to my initial statement
Well, such is the life of a Vikings fan.
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To respond
1) I have no idea. Stupidest penalty I’ve seen in a while.
2) Or our special teams is just that good. Again, it’s not our fault Crosby line-drived it. But we sure as hell collapsed the middle of their formation.
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
blah
It wasn’t really a great play by the Bears’ special teams… it was just a low kick.
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by big_lowitzki on Dec 23, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it was either a good play by the ST of the Bears
or horrible of the Packer’s blocking.
If you watch that YouTube video, the middle just collapsed. The Bears got a great jump on it. Yeah, having Crosby 2-iron it helped. But we got some great pressure.
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brown was in the backfield
He didn’t jump and get a hand, he ran through the middle then jumped and got a hand on it. I think the dude made a play whether the kick was low or not. You’re not suppose to make it into the backfield.
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by #23 on Dec 26, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I mean
What I meant by “jump” was they did a great job of timing the snap. As soon as the ball snapped, the Bears just crushed the Packer’s line.
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 26, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I was adding to what you said.
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by #23 on Dec 26, 2008 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it was either a good play by the ST of the Bears
or horrible of the Packer’s blocking.
If you watch that YouTube video, the middle just collapsed. The Bears got a great jump on it. Yeah, having Crosby 2-iron it helped. But we got some great pressure.
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He has to
To make up for a gameplan for his inept coordinators. That had to be the worst offensive gameplan since Bobby Douglas was our QB
by tfrabotta on Dec 23, 2008 8:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
some might quote a saying that
Luck is when preparation and opportunity meet.
This type of thing happens to the Bears often, maybe the bounces are there for all teams, the Bears just are better ready to take advantage of them.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is the heart of the leaders on this team.
Many think that in the past Mike Brown was lucky, or Tillman is lucky for blocking so many punts and FG’s, or Hester was lucky to return kicks, but I think these guys have the heart and talent to make these plays and when it counts, they find a way.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
of course...
… only some of us can admit that the Bears suck.
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by big_lowitzki on Dec 23, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think some of us a pessimist.
Some of us understand that there are strengths on this team and weaknesses and guys who are still getting better. Others of us, just want to throw anyone under the bus and fire them if they aren’t playing at a high enough level today. We are average, but we have some really good leaders like Briggs, Urlacher, Walle, Brown, Harris, and Kruetz that sometimes helps us have that little extra to be above average.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wheres the part in your plan where we franchise orton?
Does anyone think Rex could have done that bad today? I honestly think he would have to try to make it look like he was Orton last night. I mean it seemed like he was actually trying to blow this game? The Eagles can bench McNabb after a bad half, why not us? I know Rex isn’t the answer but did anyone really think he could have been worse than Orton? Pretty ridiculous. I felt the same as you WCG during overtime. I was expecting Orton to throw a pick then the Bears D/ ST to pull another rabbit out of the hat. It seems that no matter how bad the offense does its always the defense who takes the blame in the end from the coaching staff’s point of view. I honestly think if Collins caught the other two interceptions he would have had making a total of 5 interceptions the coaching staff would still assume it was the defense’s responsibility to make up for it. As for next year I think Matt Cassel would be a good option even if he’s going to require a 1st and 2nd rounder after the Patriots franchise him because it’s not like we can draft a good offensive player in the first two rounds anyway. I mean not counting Forte who is the last good offensive pick we’ve had? Walter Payton? Bottom line, Bears need to realize the phrase “Defense wins Championships” doesn’t mean you can completely ignore the offensive side of the ball and hope to build a immovable object type of D that can stop any offense. I don’t even know if what im writing makes any sense anymore because there are so many things going through my head right now that this game so perfectly pointed out and its hard to try to put those thoughts into words…
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
by Jbasic89 on Dec 23, 2008 4:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
give it up dude
first 6 games of 06 grossman ain’t coming back. ever. was orton’s rating last night a 0 or a 1.6? yes big low, i know you don’t like qb rating. i don’t care.
by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 7:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no.
I never said I didn’t like QB rating. Nice try though.
I DID say that QB rating is a lousy way to evaluate a quarterback in an individual game.
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by big_lowitzki on Dec 23, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"nice try"
what exactly am i “trying” smart guy?
by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did you read what i wrote?
i wasn’t suggesting grossman … nvm its not even worth my time
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
by Jbasic89 on Dec 23, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears have a talented core of players on D...
… that our coaching staff somehow found a way to get the least out of. If they could hand over the keys to this defense to a visionary coach like a young Monte Kiffin or Dick Lebau… it could become a pretty nasty group.
Players on the Bears D that would likely be welcome with open arms to play for any team in the NFL:
T-Harris
A-Brown
L-Briggs
B-Urlacher
C-Tillman
C-Graham
N-Vasher
Notice there are no safeties on that list. Mike Brown isn’t Mike Brown anymore, and the rest of our safeties are garbage, after adding new safeties year after year. Right now, we’re as pathetic at drafting safeties as we are at WRs and QBs. And I can say after the past several draft classes, we’re now equally as bad at drafting LBs.
Why are we suddenly so bad at finding LBs and safeties?
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by SackMan on Dec 23, 2008 5:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
There is a place on that list for Kevin Payne
he is still young, but he has made some big plays and some big hits.
Maybe he needs a different scheme or maybe he needs to move over or maybe he needs a different guy next to him, but he has done a lot of good things.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 7:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Payne
is a big hitter, that’s it.
He has no discipline, he just recklessly throws his head into piles, at times knocking all our defenders out and letting the runner run. He doesn’t wrap up, he’s terrible in coverage. He’s just a big hitter.
All his big hits come when guys have already wrapped up and he just comes flying in. He’s around the ball which is a quality you’d like to see but he reminds of Chris Harris without the ability to force turnovers or coverage skills (which is to say he’s a VERY poor mans Chris Harris)
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 7:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
chris harris
wasn’t a great coverage guy when he was here.
by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know....
but harris played the ball in the air better than Payne did.
Payne is just a hitter, nothing else
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he is also young
This is his first year. Let a guy learn before we completely give up on him.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No we should get rid of all players who aren't stars
Fire Orton, Payne, Hanie, Wolfe, Lloyd, Vasher, Beekman, St. Clair, Kruetz, Mike Brown, Bennet, and bring in all high priced FA’s.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I think Payne could be a solid safety.
by Twins Territory on Dec 28, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Payne is junk...
Somebody should remind him that he has two arms to tackle with… and all his speed does is get him to the wrong place faster.
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by SackMan on Dec 24, 2008 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Age
Most of those guys aren’t getting any younger. Our defense has done okay this year, nowhere near as good as the amount of money they are being paid would suggest.
Thats what really sucks, because pretty soon this defense is going to be hurting just as bad as this offense.
by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 7:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it aint orton
it is not Orton. Regardless of the qb we have in there we are seeing some of the same play. grossman, Orton etc. its the WR and line that we are having problems with.
by DaddyBear54 on Dec 23, 2008 6:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
OB coach too maybe?? Why can't we find someone that knows how to teach QBs?
by escolio on Dec 23, 2008 7:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its more then that
I don’t see Orton being anything better then an average QB. Look at how his deep throws looked last night. And lets not even go talk about the two really dumb INTs
by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 7:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not seeing guys in the middle of the field on defense is starting to be his regular sin
I think that is like the 4th time this year
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bull.
Yes, the line is mediocre, at best. And yes, the WR’s drop too many passes.
BUT…
Orton was simply bad last night. Really bad.
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by big_lowitzki on Dec 23, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was horrible and I'm pretty optimistic
I will say that if we had some good WR’s and the line would block for Forte, that Orton could get us by for a few years and help us win. I hate that he can’t hit a barn if it is 20 yards away, but he does enough to win and limits how bad of a game he has. I think he has only had one 3 turnover game this year.
The thing everyone has to realize is that you can’t fix everything in one year. If you are going to focus on 2-3 things that you can definitely accomplish that will help the team the most, what would it be?
I say OL to help Forte become even better and move the chains more consistently and a DE that will help get us off the field quicker by getting tackles for losses, hurries, sacks, and disrupting the offense. If we can pull off bringing in at least a #2 quality receiver, that would be a huge help.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really crappy game
We really didn’t deserve to win it. We need to make some major changes in our offensive structure.
If we were in any other NFC division we would be near the bottom. NFC North is a joke.
by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 7:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
NFC West?
we’d be fine in that division as well
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 7:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
We would be in second most likely
by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
We would get to play the Niners, Rams, and Seahawks twice this year? I’d pencil in a better than 8-7 record
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by torch on Dec 23, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're better than that right now.
The NFC West is much worse than the North. I think the AFC West is horrible too. I’d love to play the Raiders and Chiefs twice a year and the horrible run stopping Broncos and the inconsistent Chargers. Basically out of 8 divisions our is 6.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We get to play Detroit though
And the Packers are a very banged up and young team. Again, our division is weak. We would also have trouble against the Chargers and the Broncos. To act like they are worse or equal to the Bears is pretty silly.
The Chargers major problem is Norv Turner
by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say we didn't play Detroit
If we didn’t play those divisions than we wouldn’t be comparable. The Bears and Vikings are playing much better than the Chargers and Broncos are and I would put Green Bay as much better than both the Raiders and Chiefs and if the Detroit had 4 games total against the Raiders and Chiefs they get at least one.
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by #23 on Dec 26, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vick
Will Michael Vick be available? I may be the only one, but would not mind seeing him in a bears uni, if the price was right.
by Metz on Dec 23, 2008 8:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
receiver?
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, that may be a new position coming soon.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No just no
I’m sorry number 1 he is in prison, who knows how or even if he will be able to play.
Number 2: What he did is unacceptable. Dog Fighting is terrible, torturing animals to death is even worse.
by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think dog fighting is terrible
its just ass bad as eating meat
by stoyo on Dec 23, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not even remotely close
I mean, they’re galaxies apart from each other.
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't suck
But we are average in many areas. But so are many teams. We are not that far away from being a good team but the key position we need is a QB. I am sorry, Orton has made too many bad reads and in my mind is now not the answer. I was in his corner and yes maybe a better surrounding cast will help. But his decision making is poor and better players won’t help that. If the 1st option is covered then he is screwed. That is Rex all over again.
by tfrabotta on Dec 23, 2008 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
While I don't want to turn into an Orton apologist
and thus suffer big_lowitski’s wrath (j/k) – Orton wins games.
He’s 21-11 as a starter and 15-2 at home.
If we win this Sunday he’ll have won two-thirds of the games he’s started. He’ll be almost perfect at home and just under .500 on the road. Isn’t that what you want out of your football team. Don’t “they” say that you want to win all your home games and split your road games – which makes you 12-4 and guaranteed a playoff spot?
Have they been pretty? No.
Is he a lifetime member of the Hall of Average? Probably.
But when he starts, he wins.
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by torch on Dec 23, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I gave him some leinancy regardless
of his numbers so long as he wasn’t throwing interceptions. Now he is doing that, so he loses the one thing he is supposed to be good at.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But
you have to admit he played horrible last night. I am rooting like hell for the guy, but what happened to the guy pre injury? Why does he not throw to any wr besides hester who he consistently forces it to? Hos reads are very frustrating.
by tfrabotta on Dec 23, 2008 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
I think I was clear in my opinion of Orton. The second he started to give the ball away, he lost all optimism I had for him.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its not fair to attribute all the wins to him
i mean did Aaron Rodgers really lose the football game last night? Or did Mason Crosby and the Packers D lose it?
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
of course...
… Rex wins games too.
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by big_lowitzki on Dec 23, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How did he win last night?
The defense and special teams won last night.
by Arbusto on Dec 23, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Results based analysis is not the right way to go.
Winning is what it’s all about, but whats more important when looking into the future and evaluating performance is seeing how Orton actually played. He won the game, but would you feel comfortable with him next week if you knew he would play like he did last night? I certainly hope not. And by the way, isn’t Grossman something like 22-12 in his career as a Bear? I’m not saying he should be playing, but if you wanna talk about wins…..
by dakoose on Dec 23, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
some quick reactions
1.) i might be the only one on this blog, but i full believe Rex could be doing a better job at qb. the game last night reminded me of the 05 game vs atlanta. we needed a spark but it never came.
2.) Orton skills as a qb have diminished. I know jaws pointed it out before and during the game but Orton eyes will lead you to his reciever. and thats 6tds and 8ints in the last 6 games…so is strengths are decision making and reading defenses??? we’ve won these games despite Orton….chicago some boos please.
3.) As much heat as they get, Turner and Babich need some praise. Turner not letting the other team touch the ball in overtime two weeks in a row, and babich getting pressure on two good qbs and containing the passing game.
4.) I wonder what the outcome would’ve been if Danieal Manning was backing up Mcgowan and Hester… what a game, he kept us in this one. Perhaps he finally cemented himself in a role on defense and special teams.
5.) Every time Alex Brown plays, it seems like he proves how outrageous his benching was in 07.
by rahulsriram on Dec 23, 2008 9:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is easy to think Grossman would do better
when we see Orton over or under throw a receiver, but he sucks at anything else. He throws at people’s feet, he overthrows and he makes poor decisions. The Bears cannot go back to Grossman.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the same can be said about Orton
just change “overthrow” to “underthrow”
Orton fired balls into the ground multiple times last night with WIDE OPEN receivers. Did it to Devin twice and Lloyd once on the ball Lloyd dropped off his knees
Both QB’s are mediocre and both have weaknesses, basically Orton can’t throw the deep ball Grossman can and Orton doen’t fumble like Rex does. Other than that they’re both equally poor decision makers and equally inaccurate
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's fairly simple.
The team’s strength lies in it’s running back and tight ends, which Orton can do a better job with. Rex can go deep, but unless the O-Line provides a huge cushion, the short and medium range throws are not in his repertoire. Orton fits this team better, and while Rex could probably have cashed in with Hester a few more times than Orton, the latter is a much better fit for this offense.
by dakoose on Dec 23, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not suggesting going back to Grossman, but after seeing this full season
I would have to say that Grossman would have been better this year than Orton this year.
Here’s why?
- I don’t think he fumbles as many snaps
- He would have helped us score a lot of points that would have put us in the lead
- He would have hit Hester on tons of deep balls
- He is far more accurate everywhere
- He would overcome his picks with big plays
- The offensive line is blocking very well on passing plays and would have given Gross the time he neeeded.
With that said, you’re comparing an offensive weapon in Grossman to a game manager in Orton. They aren’t the same. I don’t want to go back to Gross, but I do think he is better than the end of 06 beginning of 07. He got pummeled for 3 games to start 07. Everyone sucks in games like that.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about all of it
but I don’t agree with a lot of it.
You think Grossman doesn’t fumble as much? How many did Orton fumble this year?
Sure he may hit Hester on more long balls, but he doesn’t connect with Clark or Hester or Forte on the short ones.
He has never made enough big plays to overcome his picks.
He is nowhere near as accurate as Orton with the exception of the long ball.
Ok, maybe I do disagree with all of it.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think people have a short memory about Rex
Rex could throw the deep ball but thats about it. he made bad plays after bad play.
by stoyo on Dec 23, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't even do that
every time, or as often as people choose to remember.
by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you
give praise to Turner?? That gameplan was awful last night. The defense was on the field all night and we had 2 first downs after 3 qtrs. This is a defense that the Texans laid 550 yards on 2 weeks ago and we had less than 100 after 3 qtr. Here is a n idea..USE THE WR’s… The packer defense was playing up all night becuase the Bears never stretched the field. Woodson was in the box all night becuase there was no need to play deep.
by tfrabotta on Dec 23, 2008 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Awful plan. Did you notice how we didn’t move the ball until they gave the ball to Forte ON THE OUTSIDE? 3.5 quarters of going nowhere by running it up the middle. 6 minutes left in the game and they finally swing it outside and finally moving the ball. Odd how that worked.
by Arbusto on Dec 23, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll praise Turner for the season.
With the exception of the FB dives, he has called many very good games. This year he continues to make adjustments throughout the game to put us in position to win. He’s a 3-4 stinkers, but I’m sure most OC’s do.
- Honestly, if you wanted to run more, you were crazy. GB stopped us every time. Forte was 7 carries for 14 yards in the first half. We were 3 and out on every possession. We tried to run. We had to try something else.
- He took the ball out of Ortons hands at the right time and put it in Forte’s hands in the second half.
- The offense stunk last night more than Turner, but Turner wasn’t great.
- What do you want Turner to do when your WR’s won’t catch or get open, your QB is throwing eratically, your OL can’t run block, and you are going 3 and out from poor player performance. He only had so many chances.
BTW, I hated Turner last season and in 06.
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by #23 on Dec 23, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think people will praise Turner
because he actually tried a few different things this year, so it seems like a huge deal over the past, but he needs to go.
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by Adam T on Dec 23, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
Turner’s actually gotten a bit creative this year with the no-huddle (which has somehow completely disappeared BTW). Go back to the no-huddle… Orton really excelled in it, and it masked the weakness of our O-Line.
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by SackMan on Dec 24, 2008 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
grosman atlanta game
you mean the spark where he just threw it deep and although it should have been picked off it ended up being a tipped 6? we need MORE of that?
by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Brown
was the only guy on defense IMO that really stood out late in the season. He was great.
by Twins Territory on Dec 28, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
was anyone else at the game?? Unbelievable to be there and the crowd was really into it.. took forever to get out of the parking lot though.
by tfrabotta on Dec 23, 2008 9:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
4th and 1 for GB
was anyone else completely flabergasted that we didn’t have our LBs in the gaps playing more of a goal-line defense?
I mean on 3rd and long we’re playing LBs in the gaps trying to disguise blitzes but on a 4th and short we’re playing 6-7 yards beyond the line of scrimmage
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bears Offense
This might be the worst offense I’ve ever seen. Even worse then the 04 Bears offense.
Forte has no room to run. This Oline sucks ass. Even the big run he had, it looked like he was supposed to go up the middle but saw an opening and kicked it outside. Take away that run and the 8 yarder he had right after that and he averaged 2 yards a carry.
The Packers have the best CB duo in the league so I can understand our shitty recievers being owned last night. But why not take advantage of the mismatch our TEs create? Olsen, next to Forte is our best weapon. He gets looks but not enough. Get the ball to Olsen and Clark more so that they can set-up Hester’s Pass Intereference play.
Oline makes me puke.
I have zero faith in this team. How can you be satisfied with this team? Yeah they won, but how often can you rely on a blocked FG, or a punt that bounces off a defender, or a coin toss that ricochets off Urlacher’s helmet? The D and ST are not good enough to win in the playoffs like they were 2 years ago. Can you imagine going into the playoffs if we are lucky enough and facing the Cowboys? Forget about it.
by McRipper on Dec 23, 2008 10:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This game was like a car crash
you’re glad you get out alive, but you’re not exactly thrilled about what happened.
by mac30 on Dec 23, 2008 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Frankly
I don’t think Orton or Rex can preform. I am so sick of this eternal QB search. We need to get somebody in there who can actually evaluate offensive players
by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 1:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Orton is mediocre but usable.
he’s thrown some picks. He apparently can’t throw the deep ball.
But, if he had some receivers who can catch, separate out of their breaks and beat press coverage, he’d look a lot better.
Orton with a good receiver and a better oline would be just fine as Chicago’s long term QB.
Grossman would have thrown 4 interceptions and fumbled twice last night. Although he probably would have hit Hester on that long one.
by Subotai on Dec 23, 2008 1:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Orton had plenty of time to throw, how much time do you want him to have?
How can you predict how many int and fumbles he would have had in that game? That is stupid.
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by #23 on Dec 26, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
aren't you
the same person predicting how much better grossman would be doing?
by mike b on Dec 26, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Know you aren't asking what my view is, you've been guessing.
I’m fine with Orton. I think he is severely lacking at some skills, but is a game manager that can keep us in games and make a few throws to help us win. With a running game he is even better. My big problem is that if he is going to continually make bad decisions he isn’t worth keeping and that is starting to become consistent not a random bad game.
I think Grossman is a better QB in general and given Orton’s cards this season he would have out performed Orton. I do believe Grossman has improved since 06 and has had no chance to really show that. In the beginning of 07 he failed because there was no blocking, no running game, WR’s dropped wide open passes for TD’s and first downs (Berrian and Moose both), and it hurt the offense. You throw in that he struggles without time in the pocket and he was in a bad situation. An undependable line is not a situation that he has the ability to play well in. When he came back in 07 after Griese got hurt. He looked pretty good for 3 1/2 games. Then he basically didn’t outperform or under perform Orton in training camp and they went with the new guy which I understand.
I would have picked Orton as well. I’m fine with Orton if he makes solid decisions, if not he is worse than Grossman because Grossman makes plays to go with his random bad decisions and Orton does not. He is not a weapon in any situation. He is a short ball thrower and let the other guys make plays.
Basically, I’m tired of hearing people say that Orton doesn’t deserve criticism but Grossman does. They both deserve criticism. Grossman has weaknesses and I can admit that. Orton lovers need to criticize his weaknesses as well as his strengths. And good decisions is no longer on that list in my opinion.
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by #23 on Dec 26, 2008 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am all for criticizing Orton
Neither are great QB’s. The difference in the two is the system….Kyle is meant for it, Rex isn’t.
I truly wish Rex well in his future travels, but he’s not the right fit for the Chicago Bears.
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 27, 2008 2:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so in other words,
yes to what i asked.
aren’t you
the same person predicting how much better grossman would be doing?
I think Grossman is a better QB in general and given Orton’s cards this season he would have out performed Orton
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