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The Quotable Bears (Week Sixteen)

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First, thanks to all who were on the game threads last night. Here’s the top nine: halfblindcubbiegirl (63), iowaBear (62), guy incognito (59), SackMan (55), Chanman25 (37), no.fair.weather.fan.here (34), stumpo (33), mike b (32), thecubreporter (31).

 

Second, I’m surprised by some of the comments today. It seems as though we’ve split into two well-defined groups: One is just excited our playoff hopes are still alive and one is absolutely furious how we won last night.

 

Personally, I fall in the first group. That doesn’t mean that all I see is sunshine; I saw the same inept offense everyone else did. I saw how individual players were making horrible decisions (e.g. Kyle Orton on his INT; AP during the KO return). I saw a game that we had no business winning.

 

But wasn’t that part of the mystique of winning that game?

 

It was unbearably cold, windy, playing our longtime archrival in primetime with our playoff hopes on the line. Our offense sputtered, our defense was pretty good, and our special teams was terrific. We played Chicago Bears football in a Chicago Bears setting. In my book, it was one of the best endings I’ve seen.

 

That doesn’t mean I’m blinded by the victory. Our OL showed they couldn’t push through a wet paper bag through most of the game. Our DL got upfield but couldn’t sustain any real pressure on Rodgers. Our WR’s dropped balls….again. Orton was less than spectacular. Our secondary played well for the most part, but they had their moments.

 

At the beginning of the season, I would have been ecstatic if someone told me we had the possibility of being 10-6. Our defense hasn’t played up to their contracts. Our OL is a thrown-together mess; same with our WR’s. We shouldn’t be in this situation. But we are. Even if we don’t go far into the playoffs (or even out of the first round), I still want them to go. We gave a lot of games away this year, but this group deserves to go.

 

Regardless, a win is a win. Yeah, we didn’t play as though we deserved to win throughout the first three quarters, but we closed out the game as the victor. In the standings, there isn’t an asterisk behind the score. Just because we didn’t "deserve to win" doesn’t make it any less meaningful. We beat the Packers at home.

Let’s enjoy the victory for a little bit. We’re still in the playoff hunt. Whether we deserve to be in the playoff hunt is irrelevant. The standings say we are.

Star-divide

Lovie on the game:

 

“I’m really proud of the job our football team did. At halftime, there’s not a whole lot for us to say really. I understand why we were getting booed. We hadn’t really showed up at all. But you have to play two halves. The second half the team really came through. Offensively, we didn’t get a lot done in the game until we had to. It seems like two weeks in a row, the last couple drives when we had to come through and get points on the board we were able to do that. Our season was on the line. There was a timeout, so we had a little time to really [talk to] the guys one more time and say, ‘We have to block this kick,’ and Alex Brown came through like he’s come through many times in the five years I’ve been here. That’s what the team needed. I don’t know if I’ve ever been prouder of a team for how they hung in there and found a way to win the football game at the end. We still have ourselves in position. I know we need a little bit of help. But now it’s down to one game. All we can do is get another win and see what happens.””

 

Lovie on the first half:

 

“I can’t really tell you why we played the way we did in the first half. I thought we had an excellent week of practice, and it’s the Packers. But for some reason, we didn’t come out and play the way we ended up playing at the end of the football game. A lot of times when your backs are really up against the wall, the best in you comes out and that’s what happened to us. Normally, it’s how you finish, and I’m pleased to say the least with how we finished the game.”

 

Orton on the game:

 

“It was just a crazy, hard-fought game. Everything was on the line for us obviously. We didn’t play our best football, but we sure dug down deep and did it when it counted.”

 

Alex Brown on his huge FG block:

 

Unbelievable. You want to make the offensive linemen think you're going to go here, and try to make a move and it kind of opened up right there. You get a hand up and hope the kicker kicks the ball to your hands.I came through pretty good. You never think that it’s going to happen. You just go as hard as you can and see if you can get a hand up and hopefully you get it.”

 

Alex Brown to Eli Manning:

“Please, please Eli [Manning], play four quarters. Please, beat Minnesota. You're going to get a week off [for a bye], so just play the whole game.”

Urlacher on the game:

 

“Amazing. We were resilient. We played terrible the first half. Came out in the second half and made some plays when we had to. The offense put some points on the board at the end. We block a kick. Wow. I'm so excited for our team.”

 

Urlacher on the coin toss:

 

“I looked at the ground the whole time. I didn't even see it coming. Shoot, I need to get that guy to throw it at my head every time.”

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Do you want to see the Bears make the playoffs?
Yes! Why not?
208 votes
No, we haven't played well. Let's retool and get 'em next year.
26 votes

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I understand what you're saying

Of course I want the Bears to make the playoffs. I want them to make the playoffs every year. But let’s be realistic. This team is not good. Sure I could sit here and say that the Packers should have scored 35 points, or that Orton should have thrown 4 ints, yadda yadda yadda, but that didn’t happen.

And that’s great because the Bears won the game. But when you are playing a playoff caliber team, and in the Bears case, most likely Dallas, Philadelphia, or Tampa Bay, you can’t count on the ball bouncing your way every time. Eventually, you have to go out there and run the ball, pick up some 1st downs, and stop them on 3rd and long. If the Bears can’t do that against the likes of the Saints D and the Packers D, how the hell can they do that against Dallas’ D, the Eagles D, or the Bucs D?

My beef is with the coaching/scheme. I don’t think the Bears are put into a position to win. Wins like these seem to give Lovie and crew more job security when in reality, it should get them fired. That win had nothing to do with coaching and everything to do with the players on that team refusal to lose and a little luck from Santa.

by McRipper on Dec 23, 2008 1:16 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I absolutely agree

Like I said, I know this team isn’t that good. Daily Norseman can bitch and moan about how we got “lucky.” That’s fine with me, I could care less.

I also realize that we won’t go far into the playoffs. But for this team, this year? That’s absolutely amazing if we make it. We have so many holes, so many coaches calling stupid plays or playing in schemes that don’t stop anybody.

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by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 1:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. They can say it was lucky all they want, but why does it always happen to us? Why do we always get the blocked FG or the ball hits a guy on a kick off and we recover it? Why do we always have good run backs? Why do we block punts and run them back for TDs?

I’m not saying no luck is involved, because we can’t control a kick off bouncing off a guy’s leg, but maybe our guys are more prepared for it. Lovie harps on this every training camp. Every ball is live until somebody has it in the end zone. That equals 170+ takeways in Smith’s head coaching career with the Bears.

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by WCG on Dec 23, 2008 1:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're are absolutely right

The Bears are probably better prepared than the other 31 teams to jump on a loose ball but it is luck. Blocking a FG is luck. How many times have you seen guys come so close to blocking a kick only to miss it by less than an inch. This is a game of inches and the Bears seem to really capitalize from that aspect. My aunt wins at Bingo all the time. That doesn’t make her a good Bingo player.

2001, remember everything seemed to go their way and they had a pretty good year. 2002 saw the Bears on the other side of the equation, everything seemed to go against them. All I’m trying to say is that when you need to rely on luck to win a football game, you’re not that good of a football team.

by McRipper on Dec 23, 2008 2:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly

the bears talent level and coaching puts them at a certain baseline of what they can achieve. i would guess for most teams that luck could easily add or subtract 3 wins from that total a season. every team can point to at least three games that were won or lost on luck. lets say you lose because of a field goal, now say you win that same game because through no skill of your own, the opposing kicker flat out misses it, are you really any better than that same team that would have lost if he made it? Not at all. i think people severely underestimate luck, and ignore certain trends that could actually be telling you what’s wrong. that’s why you get so many people focused on the “almost won” games. they forget that if you actually build a good team, you win those games outright and don’t have to worry about luck as much.

 the back and forth you see pretty much this entire decade is from a team not taking steps to get better each year, and especially after “successful” years.

at this point where your draft position is beyond sucking anyway, there’s no reason not to try like hell to get to the playoffs and hope for a miracle. but if it were a first round pick versus a one and done playoff appearance, give me the shot at the franchise qb, LT, MLB, etc.

by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 4:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frankly

I don’t think we were prepared at all. We had 11 days to prepare for this game and basically should have lost it…

by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 2:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blocking a FG is not luck all the time

The Bears had a very good push up the middle. Brown was 3 yards on the other side of the LOS on that play. The Bears got about 5 hands in the air at the right time and made contact.

That is a good push and good practice. That is the preparation. Crosby kicking a line drive is the opportunity. Call the block luck, but the Bears get lucky more than any other team. I’m just saying maybe you give the D and the coaches some credit for being ready for that.

Many teams would not have gotten a hand on that ball. The Bears did.

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by WCG on Dec 23, 2008 2:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whatever frankly

I totally agree that it’s not luck. It’s a very difficult thing to do, and it was apparent that Brown made an outstanding play by beating two offensive linemen.

815Sox- It may have looked like they were unprepared but Orton’s two interceptions skewed the stats and everyone else’s play. It wasn’t for a lack of effort on offense that’s for sure.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Dec 23, 2008 10:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would say poor execution trumped preparation.

Our O-line didn’t do a lick until the 4th QTR.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Dec 24, 2008 12:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no shit

you have 11 days and you come out like that? i can’t decide if that proves the talent really isn’t there or if the coaching is that bad.

by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 4:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed... most turnovers are the result of being forced by the defense.

The majority of errant passes that seemingly go right into a defender’s arms (and you’re shouting out at the tv WTF!), are usually caused by a pass rush, or a disguised coverage… many more times than the INTs caused by a mis-communication between QB and WR.

And fumbles… well, most fumbles are caused by contact. And in the Bears case, they blatantly strip the ball… and are coached to do so.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Dec 24, 2008 12:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Playoffs yes

Will we go anywhere?? no, but we need to keep breeding that winning mentality like a steeler team that is there year in and year out. And anything to keep the hated Viqueens out..they love themselves. Look, we are not a bad team. Do we have holes?? Of course, all the teams do, but we are not that many players away from being the Giants or competitive with them. It is evident that we also need a new D Coordinator so hopefully that gets addressed. We need to be smart on our moves in the offseason but their are a bunch of other teams who would love to be in our shoes right now.

by tfrabotta on Dec 23, 2008 1:22 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're a re-built offensive line away from being a consistently competitive team.

The Giants line is primary reason for their running success… with 3 RBs

The Panthers re-tooled line is the primary reason for their running game success this year, as DeAngelo Williams has gone from 4.1 ypc his rookie year to an amazing 5.4 this year. And Stewart is averaging 4.7ypc.

REBUILD THAT CRAPPY LINE… and get some maulers up there, so we can run the ball with authority. I guarantee, that regardless of the play of the defense, an O-line that can run the ball when it wants to will win many games. You’re controlling the clock, scoring TDs in the red zone, punishing the defense, and keeping your own defense off the field.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Dec 24, 2008 12:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you got it

sign a big strong guard, another tackle, lose kreutz and tait and put 30 pounds on williams

by tfrabotta on Dec 24, 2008 8:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm thrilled we're still alive in the playoff hunt

but I seriously have no idea HOW we won.

But meaningful football games in December? I’ll take it, even if it ain’t pretty.

Get me, I'm giving out wings!!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 23, 2008 1:46 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really

Why do you have to bend over for your team just to call yourself a fan? If I wanted to lick my teams ass all the time, even when they suck, I would be a Redskins fan.

I’m not afraid to show my true colors. When the Bears were arguably the worst team in the league in the late 90’s and 03, 04, I still was a fan wearing the gear and hats, and jackets, jerseys. All always be a Bears fan, I was born into this love affair. But I’ll question whether or not they are good enough to play in the playoffs. And my opinion is, that this team we’ve seen the last few weeks, is not.

by McRipper on Dec 23, 2008 2:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How can you call yourself a fan and not want your team in the playoffs?

Honestly?

Your team is one week away from possibly making the playoffs and you would rather them lose so the coach and be fired? The way I look at it, this season is very short, with a very long off season, sure I will be crushed when the Bears don’t make the playoffs next weak, but I sure as hell still want them to I waited 12 months for this. Hell I don’t think they are a playoff team, but I still want them there. I think you can be critical of your team but I can’t understand not wanting them to make the playoffs????

by CurtisConway on Dec 23, 2008 3:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because they've been embarrassing themselves each week

And getting to the playoffs allows them to embarrass themselves so EVERYBODY can see.

I want them to go but they don’t deserve it. No team in this division does.

by Arbusto on Dec 23, 2008 3:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So what?

Yeah, we won’t go far. We all know that. But for this team to go would be amazing.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 4:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why would it be amazing though?

knowing that the nfl is being killed by parity AND that the NFC is bad again, what about this would be amazing? that they could be that lucky? i guess its amazingly pathetic, if that’s how you mean it.

by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 4:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Football is all about parity

See, here’s my thinking. The Vikings could’ve had this wrapped up, but they can’t take care of business. The Bears took advantage of their situation. Teams constantly squeak into the playoffs. Nothing wrong with that.

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by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 4:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's fine

I really don’t care how we get in. The NFL doesn’t award style points.

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by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 4:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the Bears could have had it wrapped up sooner than the Vikings

Right now it’s a contest of who chokes the most and currently the Vikes are winning that.

by Arbusto on Dec 24, 2008 6:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let them do it more often then

If you mean winning as embarrassing, then definitely don’t change a thing. You’re a half-empty kind of person, right?

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Dec 23, 2008 10:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really

So because I think the team is bad and doesn’t really deserve a playoff birth means I’m not a Bears fan?

Would it be nice if they made it? Sure I guess, if they do they will get smoked in the first round. But having the attitude of what defines a “Bears fan” is silly.

This team has been frustrating me for years now. They make the Superbowl in 05 and I’m supposed to act like they are some great franchise team… they are not.

by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 2:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two different outlooks

It is not that McRipper and 815Sox want their team to fail, but the fact is even if we make the playoffs we aren’t going to win it. So looking forward maybe it is better to not go and have the coaches and GM think they have a good base and not do anything in FA and then get the lower draft pick.

Maybe in the long run that is better for the team.

That said I want the playoffs.

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by WCG on Dec 23, 2008 2:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right on WCG

It’s not that I don’t want them to make it, because I’m cheering for them. But not wanting your team to make the playoffs and thinking they are a playoff team is 2 different things.

I don’t think they are a playoff team.

by McRipper on Dec 24, 2008 7:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why

And give our dumb ass coaches another reason to stick around. Said it before, I wished we had a worse record just to get rid of some coaches. The way I see it is, sacrifice one year to get rid of a coach -preferably multiples coaches. Or keep getting by and have these coaches drive this team in a bigger hole than it is in now. Defense gets worse ever year RIvera has been away and Turner create a scheme if he stole it from Belicick. End it and FU$% the draft, sign new coaches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by stumpo on Dec 23, 2008 3:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I concur stumpo

Lovie and co. seem to do just enough to keep their jobs. What I see in Lovie is a coach unable to make adjustments at critical times in the ballgame. Babich is a joke. I’m kind of on the fence with Turner though. He’s had some pretty good games of playcalling. But just the same, maybe a change is necessary on all fronts.

by McRipper on Dec 24, 2008 7:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our defense was pretty good?

Not so much, but they did step it up when it mattered I guess. To say the Defense hasn’t played up to their contracts this year is an understatement IMO

by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The D has played well enough

to win that last few games. They held NO in check.

Rodgers can throw for how every many yards they want, but if you don’t score you it doesn’t matter. 2TDs in a game if not a big deal. That happens all the time. If you keep them at 2 TDs you have a chance to win. Not our offense, but most team’s offenses.

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by WCG on Dec 23, 2008 2:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll agree with you about NO

That was a pretty good game for the D. Basically, I just wish we wouldn’t have blown such money on the defense this year. I have felt like this since the preseason when they gave the excuse of “Oh we weren’t trying very hard”

I just don’t think the D looked that good last night, except for when they stepped it up at the end. The first half of last nights game left a bad taste in my mouth

by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 3:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We have to have that playoff mentality.

Next year, I honestly believe that money will be spent, whether it’s on a Boldin/Houzhmanzahdeh or a Haynesworth or a O Lineman. I really do. I think we will be a very good team next year. It’s kind of like a cycle. Back in 05, we weren’t amazing, but our D was. Then we go to the Superbowl the next year.

I think that cycle starts again this year, and next year, we will be very good.

Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak

by ARAM FOR MVP on Dec 23, 2008 3:08 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Minn fan's take on the scenario...

Giants are going to get trounced in the dome next week – AP always bounces back from a bad game with a huge one

I seriously do hope you guys get the #6 wild card seed so we can play each other at the dome in the first round – then you guys can prove you deserve to be in the postseason…

by mjmrad on Dec 23, 2008 3:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your acting like the vikings deserve it

You guys aren’t very good either. No team in the NFC North looks that great. Hell you looked terrible against Atlanta.

by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 3:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That game was the exception, not the rule...

Most of the year, the Vikes have played solid and controlled the ball well

by mjmrad on Dec 23, 2008 3:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

What about earlier in the year when we beat you?

Here’s my feelings about you Vikings fans:

If you all didn’t have such a God complex, I wouldn’t hate you guys as much. But you guys are walkin around with this swagger that you really shouldn’t have. Somehow you have forgotten when we beat you and how you barely squeaked by TWICE against the Lions.

I mean, the Packers are our rivals. You don’t see us going over to ACME Packing Co and talking ourselves up. And you didn’t see them doing it to us when we got walloped early in the year. I may hate Packers fans and they may hate us, but the one thing we can agree on is the ineptitude and the blissful ignorance of Vikings fans.

You guys came over here and ran your damn mouths when we lost to you. We didn’t do that to you. You guys act as though you were automatically in the playoffs. That’s fine and all, but I’m really hoping you guys don’t make it. I would pay money to watch you guys get knocked off your pedestel and have to walk down here with the rest of us.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 4:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

please don’t come over here and put on the high and mighty. If you win you needed until the last week to get in. It does not matter which of us goes, we are backing our way in and shouldn’t be boasting anything.

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by WCG on Dec 23, 2008 3:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you guys win Sunday, that’ll be 4 in a row – nice way to end the year, regardless of the MIN / NY outcome

by mjmrad on Dec 23, 2008 3:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please

You guys are 9 and 6.. not much better then the Bears are you?

Again, not saying the Bears are a better team, just saying that the Vikings are not all that great either. The NFC North is bad, plain and simple

by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 4:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say winning 4 games is backing in..

And 10-6 isnt too shaby. If someone told me we’d be 10-6 I wouldn’t believe them.

Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak

by ARAM FOR MVP on Dec 23, 2008 4:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

psst

as good as you think the vikings are and as bad as you think the bears are…they have the same record. you are in first place on a technicality. what have you proven to be in the postseason? the vikings have proven they can beat different teams than the bears, but not more of them total. WOW, impressive.

by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 4:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least admit this...

If the Giants play their starters most of the game and the Vikes win handedly, that’s evidence of a team deserving to be in the postseason

by mjmrad on Dec 23, 2008 4:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if my aunt had testicles she'd be my unlce

hey, if you went 16-0 that would be pretty good evidence to.

by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 4:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll admit that when you admit this...

If the Giants play their starters and end up murdering you guys, THAT’S evidence of a team that deserves not to go.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 4:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

Though you have to do your part to make that happen (Andre is a beast)

by mjmrad on Dec 23, 2008 4:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely

I know we do. This is all contingent on us winning next week.

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by ChiFan13 on Dec 23, 2008 4:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turner doesn't seem to get it

The only time we got anywhere at all were on the few drives where we went with what’s been proven to work this season, throwing to Olsen or Clark or running Forte outside. Every single other drive went 3 and out because we were running the ball up the middle or trying to get it to one of our receivers. I understand throwing to Hester frequently, and I know we’re gonna have to target the others occasionally, but it seemed like we barely threw to the TEs other than the scoring drives (correct me if I’m wrong).

Other than that, I saw a defense that played very well with key injuries and an offense that looks like it can be at least somwhat competent with the right plays.

"Well, let's put it this way. We didn't need instant replay on that." -Len Kasper after Aramis Ramirez's 389 foot go-ahead grand slam against the Phillies in the first MLB game where instant replay was available.

by rea5661 on Dec 23, 2008 4:27 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kinda agree

We need to move past the “we are a running team” motto. That is just not how teams perform. You can’t just run the ball over and over again nowadays. Especially with an injured RB like Forte.

by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 4:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

unless you're the giants

and have a good line. but you still have to be able to throw the ball.

by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 4:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They can still toss the ball if needed

We however cannot… at least not anywhere near as reliable as the Giants

by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 4:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And they have a legit weapon like Plaxico (at least they had)

That opponents have to honor. The offense the Bears should want to strive for is the Panthers offense. Jake Delhomme isn’t the greatest QB, but you still have to honor him because Steve Smith can burn you for a TD on any given play. The Bears running game is very good, but until the passing game gets some kind of legitimacy I can’t ever see them being more than mediocre.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Dec 24, 2008 1:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this coaching staff

repeatedly talks themselves out of the few things that work.

i remember last year lovie being asked after a loss why they went away from a working no huddle and his response was they would have stopped it eventually anyway. not a good mentality to have.

of course we say all this assuming we know what is going on, unles you know the play call you have no idea what was designed to happen and what should have happened.

by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 4:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's true

It did seem like Forte was cutting back inside a little too often.

"I don't know, I think the Bears should just defer so they don't have to put their offense out there to start" -Tony Kornhesier

by rea5661 on Dec 23, 2008 10:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's an interesting question for you guys...

If the Vikes offered to trade Kyle Orton for Tavaris Jackson, would you bite? (Think about his play of late before you answer)

by mjmrad on Dec 23, 2008 4:29 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i would definately accept

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Dec 23, 2008 5:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you guys like the qb rating stat so much

tarvaris jackson – 96.8
kyle orton – 78.1

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Dec 23, 2008 5:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that stat is completely irrelevant

Orton has started 14 games, Jackson 3

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by Chanman25 on Dec 23, 2008 10:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i would prefer

to trade O-line’s and then compare….

I do like Jackson’s talent more than Orton, but I think a lot of QBs can look pretty good when they have all day to throw. We saw that with Sexy Rexy

by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 24, 2008 10:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh

and how about the pass hester let bounce of his helmet? what do you with a wide receiver who can’t catch and a return man who can’t return? how much will he making next year?

by mike b on Dec 23, 2008 4:42 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with orton at the top of his game

who wouldn’t want to make the playoffs

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Dec 23, 2008 5:28 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you consider this game to be

at the top of his game?

"I don't know, I think the Bears should just defer so they don't have to put their offense out there to start" -Tony Kornhesier

by rea5661 on Dec 23, 2008 10:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Get your head checked

By no means am I happy by Orton’s crappy play, or the offensive line’s inability to get a push in the running game, or Forte’s lack of vision to cut outside, but certainly the Bears made the plays they had to make in order to win. Anyone that voted for them not to make the playoffs needs to see a psychiatrist.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Dec 23, 2008 10:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sort of

They also hit a dude with a punt, blocked a field goal etc. Most average teams would have killed the Bears last night with the terrible first half the Bears put up.

Am I glad the Bears won? Of Course. Am I impressed? No Way

by 815Sox on Dec 23, 2008 11:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry I missed the Game Thread, but I was watching it with my dad, who's home for the holidays.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 24, 2008 2:00 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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