Stop the unfair Orton judgment.
I don't believe that it is fair for us as Bears fans to be judging Kyle Orton on his play this year. The bears have nothing, let me repeat that, nothing on offense other then Matt Forte and the tight ends. They have a makeshift offensive line and a receiving core that wouldn't be good on a high school team. I believe that Kyle Orton can be a successful QB in this league and there are a few things the bears NEED to do before they can properly evaluate Orton.
I don't think it is legitimate for us to expect the bears to fill every hole this year, so here is what I propose:
Continue to improve along the offensive line. Chris Williams should be the starting LT next year and if he can play like some of the other tackles in his draft class he will be an immediate upgrade at the most important position on the offensive line. At the LG position I'm looking for an open competition between guys the bears already have, mainly, Josh Beekman, Terrence Metcalf, Dan Buenning, John St. Clair and possibly a mid-round draft pick. Between those guys you should be able to find a solid guard to play next to Williams. Despite his declining play, I believe in Olin Kreutz will remain our starting Center, his leadership abilities make him a valuable player on this team and I believe with more talent around him his decline won't seem so drastic. Roberto Garza will remain the starting RG next year, he isn't spectacular but he is solid and he is still a player the bears can rely on. RT is where the Bears need to make a splash with a player outside of the current roster, John Tait is gone. Marc Colombo and Jordon Gross would both be very solid options and the Bears should do everything possible to sign one of those two players. I also fully expect them to use one of their first three picks on a young offensive lineman to throw into the mix. These moves will allow the Bears offensive line to make a large jump and will help ensure that Matt Forte avoids a soph. slump.
The second and most glaring hole on the Bears roster is the WR position. There are only three players on the Bears that I would bring back for the 2009 season, Devin Hester, Brandon Lloyd, and Earl Bennett. If Marty Booker wants to keep playing football I would also consider bringing him back because he will be very cheap and still has the ability to make some catches and would be a very solid fourth or fifth option. Due to his draft position Earl Bennet will be on the roster, even though the coaching staff obviously has almost no confidence in him. The Bears have also committed to Devin Hester and I expect him to continue to be a major part of the offense. I would bring back Brandon Lloyd because he will be another cheap option and can make some amazing catches and big plays. The problem with Brandon Lloyd is that the Bears came into the season relying on him to play well, I think that he can be a surprisingly good third of fourth option for the Bears, but, he can't be relied on to perform every Sunday. The remaining guys on the roster should be cut out right, Rashied Davis is not an NFL WR, Mike Haas and Brandon Ridaeu have had their chance the past few years and the coaching staff obviously has not seen anything to justify putting them on the field, they can be brought back only as depth on the practice squad. This leaves us with three maybe four WR's coming back, leaving us one or two open spots for WR's outside the current roster. First off, the bears will spend a first or second round pick on a WR no matter what they do with FA's or Trades. Here is what I propose, Anquan Boldin, the bears will have to trade their first round pick in order to get him, and they should do so without hesitation. This would leave them a second round pick for another WR to throw into the mix. If they are unable to trade for Anquan Boldin then they HAVE to sign T.J. Houshmandzadeh and use their first round pick on a WR. This gives the Bears a legitimate offensive threat at the WR position and will help open things up for Devin Hester. They would also have two high potential early draft picks in Earl Bennet and their 2009 FIRST DAY SELECTION. Plus, one or two veterans who can still play, but shouldn't be relied as number on targes, in Brandon Lloyd and Marty Booker. The addition of a legit number one WR (Boldin or Housh) will do a great deal for the offense as a unit. Devin Hester will no longer be the focal point of the offensive, which in my opinion will make him more of a threat and will allow him to stretch the field and take advantage or more single coverage. The middle of the field will be more open for Greg Olsen and Desmond Clark to continue to make plays, they will also find themselves covered by more LB's and Safeties. The threat of a legit passing game will also open up more holes for Matt Forte and if one or two of the remaining three or four WR's (Bennett, Booker, Loyld and a first day draft pick) can be counted on to step up and make some plays as the third or fourth WR option the Bears will have a much improved offense.
In closing our offense should look something like this:
QB - Kyle Orton
RB - Matt Forte
FB - Jason McKie
WR - Boldin or Houshmandzadeh, Earl Bennett, Marty Booker (Maybe)
WR - Devin Hester, 2009 First or Second Round Draft Pick, Brandon Lloyd
TE - Greg Olsen & Desmond Clark
LT - Chris Williams
LG - Beekman or St. Clair or Buenning or Metcalf or 2009 Draft Pick
C - Olin Kruetz
RG - Roberto Garza
RT - Jordon Gross or Marc Colombo or 2009 First Day Draft Pick
I think after next if we are still questioning Kyle Orton's ability then and only then should we start to look for his replacement. I think it is completely unfair to judge him based on what he has done this year because of the lack of reliable players around him. Like I mentioned earlier, I think it is unreasonable for us to believe that the Bears will address all of their holes, but, if they plug the holes I mentioned I think they will be a much better offense next year and it will give us a much more accurate picture of who Kyle Orton is as a QB.
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Wow, that's a mouth full
The Bears have had the same team all year. Orton played well the first half and sucked the second. What changed?
A lot of those interceptions have nothing to do with our receivers or line, he is just not playing well. He isn’t looking off the safeties, his field vision has been horrible. The guys that are picking him off aren’t even moving. They are just sitting and the ball comes to him.
I’m all for giving him another shot, but not without some real competition.
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Competition?
After 30 starts, the guy has shown more then enough ability to justify putting him out there and going with him until he plays himself out. Right now he is at 16 TDs and 12 INTs for the season, which to me is a great start. He comes in as the starter in 2009 without a question. And yelling about wanting a competition is a waste of time because I guarantee you it will not happen. Orton already is a solid quarterback and he is only going to get better with an improved offensive line and some wide receivers that can get some separation. There is NO REASON we should have a quarterback competition next season. Wide receiver competition? YES. Offensive line competition? YES.
Probably the number one problem with all quarterbacks first starting out is staring down receivers, not looking off coverage enough and staring down their receiver. Orton is still learning, give him some time.
Do you know who holds the Chicago Bears record for most passes without an interception? Kyle Orton, who broke it this season.
Matt Cassell isn’t the answer either. A system quarterback who has Randy Moss lining up for him is not who I want to put faith in. The Patriots were 16-0 last season with one of the most powerful offenses in the league. Pretty easy to drive fast when the car you are given is a Ferrari. Remember when everone was yelling to trade for Derek Anderson? Stick with what we know and what we know is that Orton has made a lot of great plays and before he hurt his ankle had a chance to make the Pro Bowl.
by californiabearfan on Dec 24, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Orton has his flaws...
But, he won some of my votes with his impressive play earlier in the year running the no-huddle… with an awful supporting cast. I don’t know why the no-huddle has disappeared in the second half of the season. I kept thinking to myself, if he could direct this pathetic offense and look good doing it, imagine if he had some real talent around him?
Orton’s not as accurate as you wish him to be, and he rarely connects on the deep ball. But, he does have good pocket awareness, buys extra time, can see over the LOS, and he gets the ball to Forte in-stride on the screen pass (compared to Grossman’s futile screen passes that either hit RBs in the feet, or end up in a DE’s arms).
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really
“(compared to Grossman’s futile screen passes that either hit RBs in the feet, or end up in a DE’s arms).”
you wanna tell what happened vs Tampa… Im thinking Gaines Adams.
Impressive?
Have we as bears fans been so deprived of a truly talented Q.B that orton passes as impressive. Not only do we not stand a chance with orton next year but turner has got to go. Until we can find a Q.B who can manipulate secondaries with pump fakes and head movements to create throwing windows we are wasting our time. And until we can get a O.C. who understands the position along with a Q.B coach who truly know how to help a Q.B mature and grow over time we wont have a franchise Q.B. why not bring jim fassel in to work with our young Q,Bs hell maybe even let him coach offense. who worked with eli:? lovie has truly put together a weak staff based on opportunities for minorities instead of best man for the job. as a black male i loved the lovie hire but i cant go along with his philosophy wich i believe is hurting my beloved bears
And, on the system QB thing...
I tend to agree to a point.
Let Orton and Cassel swap places, and I bet Orton is making headlines in New England, while Cassel suffers with a horrible offense in Chicago.
Both guys probably have a similar talent level… the difference is the surrounding environment. One team knows how to develop the position and the offense… the other one doesn’t.
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Re: 16 TDs and 12 INTs for the season
your definition of a great start is intriguing…
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by thecubreporter on Dec 28, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Re: What changed?
the qualities of defenses played
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by thecubreporter on Dec 28, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
none of the picks on Monday night or of late
were because of bad o-line play or bad receivers, they’ve been because he’s hitting defenders right in the numbers. I’d agree with your argument if this wasn’t the case, but… watch the game. He’s staring down receivers and hitting defenders right in the chest without any pressure
Make the argument that we need more consistency at the position and there aren’t any franchise QB options available to replace him and with more experience he’ll improve, fine i’ll buy it and i’m ok with Orton having the reigns again next year, but blaming anyone but Orton for the mistakes he’s made of late is covering for him: plain and simple
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 24, 2008 10:02 AM CST reply actions
I agree with both of you that late in the season he has made some of the mistakes and they aren’t anyone elses fault and he did succeed early in the season dispite the poor play of everyone but Matt Forte and that is why I think with some talented players around him he could be an outstanding QB.
I am ok with the idea
of not casting him off and bringing him back, but we cannot just give him control with no competition. We cannot keep going through year after year assuming a guy is going to improve.
We either need to make a move for Cassel or McNabb or whoever else is out there or we need to make a move in the draft to get one of the top QBs and start developing him.
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i dont think committing a ton of money to either of those guys
is the answer
i think you keep Orton for next year at the small rate (i don’t mind risking him walking at the end of the following year) and you draft someone to develop behind him.
Just don’t commit long-term money at a position to someone we’re not sure can be the answer. Donovan i have a bit more faith in, but Cassel…. look at all the talent around him and the ridiculous soft schedule he’s played this year. He doesn’t have the kind of track record you commit a ton of money to. Even Donovan’s questionable, look at his performances sans Westbrook and you see a different player
I’m of the belief there are typically 10, maybe 15, or so QB’s who are reliable every year QB’s you can build around. Every one else is a place-holder that gets rotated around the league. If you don’t have someone you think is one of those 10-15, you keep playing the rotating game and hoping you find one, while drafting a young guy to sit and learn the system
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 24, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
How about this:
Hire a real friggin scouting department… who can find a QB. And a real friggin coaching staff who can develop one.
The Patriots drafted Brady (6th round) and Cassel (7th round)…
And right now, I guarantee you, there is a 3rd string QB on somebody’s bench in the NFL, who will be next year’s Matt Cassel. So, go figure out who he is now… and buy low.
Heck, as another example, look at Tyler Thigpen (7th round by Vikings in 2007)… another no-name QB, who’s stepped up big-time this year, when the Chiefs let him run the same spread offense he ran successfully in college. Thigpen’s been a fantasy football machine ever since.
Back in ‘05, Ron Turner should’ve done the same thing with Orton, and adapted his offense to fit his QB, make him feel comfortable, and let him do the things he was so successful at doing in college. But, as often is the case, Turner (and other coaches around the league) are too stubborn to change their offenses.
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But he's not all that great mechanically
Doesn’t matter how bad the WRs if you can’t move around in the pocket or are unable to throw the deep ball.
Orton is okay… basically a decent backup
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BEST BEARS QUARTERBACK OF ALL TIME.
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WOW PROBABLY THE DUMBEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD. LOOK AT MY OTHER POST, GROSSMAN WAS BETTER STATISICALLY. AND OUR GREATEST QUARTERBACK BUD WAS SID LUCKMAN. NO MORE RETARD COMMENTS PLEASE.
BEAR DOWN!
that was sarcasm
he worships grossman like you do.
what circus?
I have been saying for a while that I was wrong about Grossman.
But Orton still sucks.
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by big_lowitzki on Dec 25, 2008 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
Terrible Suggestions...
For one thing Orton played well the first half and then stunk it up the second half, throwing 2 horendous picks that almost cost us the playoffs (not saying that other people didnt almost cost us as well), and while Grossman probably isnt the answer, he did better with even less in the 2006 season. He threw for more touchdowns, more yards, and a few more turnovers, but the offense under Grossman was a higher rank our of the 32 teams then Orton has the offense. Here are the numbers: Offense was ranked 15th (the passing was 14TH and the run was 15th, under grossman. His individual stats were 23 total touchdowns, 25 total turnovers, 3,193 yards, and a 73.9 rating. Now on the other hand orton has the offense ranked at 26 our of 32, the passing offense under orton ranks at a measly 23rd. His individual stats are 18 total touchdowns, 17 total turnovers, 2,728 yards, and a 78.1 rating.
This is not an improvement, so of course if bears fans called for the head of grossman then why wouldn’t they over someone who has had a worse season. We bears fans arn’t gonna be happy until we have a quarterback who can play consistent through an entire season and playoffs. Im sorry but Orton isn’t the answer either, we need to draft a qb with our first round or maybe make a run for a veteran who isn’t a system qb with balls of talent around him, if we determine we can push for a super bowl next year, but i think were still missing a few key players.
Trading for boldin or TJ is just simply not going to happen, we can’t afford to trade our best players to match up for that trade. And we need our draft picks.
In case you haven’t noticed we reward our own and build through the draft. It’s the best way to do it. Tuna has proven it look what he did with miami. Now picking up a great offensive linemen through free agency seems very logical. But don’t knock on our offensive line too much. There actually playing pretty decent, seeing how matt forte is getting some holes to run through.
I say we draft a qb or pick up a savy veteren via free agency. Draft defensive tackle, safety, wide receiver, qb, lineman in no particular order, and hopefully pick up a wideout like breaston in free agency.
With that being said i wasn’t trying to be mean just trying to point out your stupid blog. For everyone who hates misspelling, i apologize I was typing fast to release my anger to this horendous blog.
BEAR DOWN!
how the hell can you say
grossman had less of anything in 06? the 06 team was better virtually everwhere.
23 total touchdowns, 25 total turnovers, 3,193 yards, and a 73.9 rating
18 total touchdowns, 17 total turnovers, 2,728 yards, and a 78.1 rating
wow what a difference.
Grossman had a worse line, Forte is better than Jones only because he's able to catch the ball out of the back field more effectively, which gives orton another receiver to throw to. The teams are virtually similar on offense, but i think the 08 teams off
BEAR DOWN!
same line
and it was better in 06.
jones and forte are tied at worst.
STOP...
… using caps.
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by big_lowitzki on Dec 25, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
If Terrence Metcalf is still on this team next year (as the author of this post suggests)...
I’ll take a shit in a plastic bag and mail it to Jerry Angelo.
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Unfair Judgement of Orton.... PLEASE.
I love how Orton deserves every piece of talent available and Grossman did not. You are crazy. If you want to put on offense around a guy, you do it with a guy who scores, not a guy who can’t move the ball from the 40 to field goal range.
Orton has not been judged harshly by anyone that I’ve seen on here. Most note that he has done well enough to help us win or that we should keep him or he has a chance to get better, and a few have said that he has regressed or maybe was not as good as he appeared. Either view is justified.
Honestly people Orton has had a few good games in a row and that is it. Other than that he is not that great. If any of you have been paying attention or listening to games we are one of the worst teams in the league about scoring in the red zone. We are one of the best field percentage teams in the league, through turnovers and Manning returns and we still rarely take advantage. We score points on defense getting picks in field goal range. Our offense is lucky to have 3 good drives a game. And you know what? Orton is the guy leading and he misses 2-3 long throws every game that could be game breakers. It matters.
Besides less turnovers and better pocket presence, the one stat that I really liked about Orton was not having very many 3 and outs and that is dramatically changed. He has bee going 3 and out for the last several games and doing it often. He also has been throwing stupid Grossman picks. If he can’t eliminate that or minimize it, then he is much worse than Grossman because the guy also can’t throw very hard or very accurately and misses on sure touchdown passes down the field to Bookers and Hesters.
Orton lovers, be honest. He isn’t that amazing.
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One more thing.
Grossman would have done much better, with all day to pass like Orton did and have LLoyd, Hester, Forte, Clark, and Olsen to go with the new and improved Turner play calling. Turner’s play calling is much more creative. And I will tell you Turner would go down the field more often with Grossman because he knows the guy can hit a long ball to a wide open receiver in stride.
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I would agree he isn't amazing...
…and that he isn’t a top quarterback in the league. There are only two teams I can think of that are truly happy with their quarterback and thats Indianapolis and New Orleans. I bet if you went on all of the other blogging websites out there would be post after post on how bad their quarterback is and how they should trade for Matt Cassell in the offseason (which is why we are all posting on blogging websites and not NFL GMs).
My point is, we got to be happy with what we get sometimes. It isn’t easy just to find a quarterback out there. The hit rate is so unbelievably low its ridiculous. If you keep throwing them away and hoping for one to just appear amazing right out of the box you are going to be hoping for a long time. Also the fact that we keep winning and not tanking the season prevents us from getting a Matt Ryan.
by californiabearfan on Dec 25, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
There are lots of teams that like their QB's
I’ll name a few:
Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Baltimore, Houston, Miami, Buffalo, Dallas, Green Bay, Denver, San Diego, etc.
Yeah they have bad games, but most fans don’t want to lose their QB.
I’m not for getting rid of Orton, but the idea that he has been judged unfairly is ridiculous. He has been given tons of leeway by the fans here to make mistakes.
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