The Quotable Bears (Week Seventeen)
Thanks to all who participated on the game threads.
Before I start my weekly rant, I would like to thank everyone for this past season. It has truly been fun hanging out on the game threads and discussing everything Bears with you. I realize that I may have alienated or angered some of you throughout the course of the season (shout out to you, big), and part of that was by design to keep discussion going.
Although it may not have seemed like it, I never took anything personally and I hope none of you did, either. Through all the arguments, all the debates, we’re all diehard Bears fans. Some of us disagree (vehemently) with one another on the future direction of our team, but that’s ok. It’s bound to happen on a blog of this nature. My only hope is that you all enjoyed the ride as much as I did.
Onto the season after the jump.
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap” – Galatians 6:7 (KJV)
It doesn’t seem like too long ago that we were all upset about the
In this sense, the Bears reaped what they sowed.
Jerry and Lovie believed that the offensive line was feasible. A drunk monkey could see that it wasn’t.
Jerry and Lovie believed that Hester was a true #1 receiver. A solid #3, maybe #2, but definitely not #1.
Lovie believed (in training camp) that our defense was fine, and 2007’s subpar performance was due to injuries. Way to hold your guys accountable, Lovie. It’s always someone else’s fault, right?
Jerry and Lovie believed that we needed to pay everyone on defense (including Mr. Geriatric, Brian Urlacher). Tommie Harris’ salary this year? $11,926,200. We paid him $2,385,240 for every sack he had this year (5). What a great return!
Speaking of salaries, let’s look at some of the salaries that you will make you want to bang your head against the wall:
John Tait - $4.65 million (uhh….really?)
Rex Grossman - $4.5 million (who played in four games; technically, one was the Lions as a scrub role)
Nathan Vasher - $3.3 million (who can’t tackle a Teletubby)
Marty Booker - $2 million (who?)
By the way, our 2008 payroll ($120,715,139) ranked 9th in the NFL. Think about that for a second. We ended up 9-7 as a team. Our offense is currently ranked 26th and our defense is 14th. How our defense is 14th in the NFL is beyond me, but we played terrible throughout the season. For having the 9th-highest payroll in the NFL, we’re definitely not getting our money’s worth.
After this season, it’s easy to point out those who are drains on our payroll and our team in general. Hunter Hillenmeyer showed he can’t defend a pass, which is a necessity as a Sam backer in the Cover 2. Nathan Vasher can’t tackle. Marty Booker was unspectacular and he’s getting old. I don’t really care what Lovie and Jerry decide to do about Rex, but if they do bring him back, it sure as hell better be for less than $4.5 million.
The reason why I point this out is due to the numerous holes we have on our team. As I sit here writing, I can count QB, backup RB (no, AP is not the answer), WR, OL, NT, SLB, CB, S. Unfortunately, Lovie and Jerry have also established quiet offseasons at Halas Hall. Remember when we signed Moose? It was considered a big acquisition. That’s a problem with a team that has so many holes as we do.
I am not clueless enough to know that many Bears fans are calling for Lovie’s head. I wholeheartedly agree that Bob Babich needs to get a pink slip. I feel mixed on Turner, mostly because he had his moments of brilliance (to be fair, this is the same coach that kept running the FB dive). Lovie does not deserve a pink slip for a 9-7 season. If we play inconsistent football next year and don’t make the playoffs, I’ll be at the front of the line calling for his firing, but not now. Think about it this way: If Babich is truly Lovie’s personal gremlin on defense and gets fired, Lovie is left as the person to answer the tough questions. If Babich goes and our defense is still horrible, Lovie’s on the chopping block. At the very least, by firing Babich, you can get rid of the “good ‘ol boys” country-club atmosphere with the defense.
I realize that I’m ranting, but at the same time, expectations in and out of the Bears camp were for a 6-win season. We ended up with 9 wins, so that’s obviously a step in the right direction. There were numerous happy moments throughout the season that I can think of and some players established themselves (Danieal Manning on kickoff returns, Matt Forte).
I’m happy that our team did so well compared to expectations, but now I want to see management bolster our roster and get rid of waste. Hopefully Jerry and Lovie will make some drastic changes over the offseason. At this point, I just want to see some action. Here's hoping, anyways.
Lovie Smith on the game, season, and offseason:
“You start off with the lead and you have to be able to maintain it. They played well, especially their quarterback getting the ball to a lot of different receivers. Offensively, the first drive was good but lull in middle of game where we weren't as productive as we need to. Turnovers hurt you. Disappointing. We knew what was at stake. The guys practiced well and prepared well but today they played better than we did.
“Disappointing season but when you finish 9-7 you're close. We'll evaluate where we are and go from there. I think you have to judge what happened. We did make progress from last year, we were a better football team, but we weren't good enough to get in the playoffs. Our goal was to win the world championship but to do that you have to get in the playoffs and we didn't do that. Our team failed today. Overall our team didn't play well enough this year to accomplish our goals. We're not going to separate anyone.”
“All the players will have competition. But Kyle Orton is our quarterback. He has done a lot of good things for us this year, but we'll go from scratch. We'll start evaluations right away. When you're 9-7 you're close. You don't need an overhaul, just a few pieces to the puzzle and that's what we'll do.”
Lovie on Danieal Manning’s future with the team:
“Do I know right now what Danieal's position will be next year? No, I don't know. We have a little bit of time to figure that out.”
Ron Turner on Orton’s ankle being a factor the last seven games:
“It has definitely had an effect on him, no question about it. Not to make excuses or anything, but it definitely had an effect. It had an effect on his throwing. Pep and I have been talking about that a lot. You can see that he is not really driving the ball like he was earlier.”
Ron Turner on Orton starting next year:
“No question about it. He played really well [in 2008]. It took him a while to get back in the groove because of his ankle [injury Nov. 2]. I still don't think he's 100 percent.”
Big Game Bob on Andre Johnson:
“He's one of the best receivers in the NFL, if not the best receiver in the NFL.” [ChiFan’s note: Terrific excuse. I’m looking forward to the post I’ll be able to write when the Bears hand you a pink slip.]
Big Game Bob on Johnson’s second TD:
“The quarterback made some very good throws. [Tillman] was in good position, and unfortunately he didn't come away with it.” [ChiFan’s note: Wait….we have one more comment from BGB!]
Big Game Bob on his future with the
“You'll have to talk to the coach about that. Anytime you lose a game of this importance … it means something. Once again, as players and coaches, we take this one hard. It's a big game, we didn't play well and that's the bottom line. For them to take it down and score was a blow to us. At that time they were passing the ball very well. We were stopping the run pretty good at that time. I'm a guy who takes responsibility for things that go wrong. It's very disappointing.” [ChiFan’s note: We have to go talk to Lovie about your job status? I’d rather you just quit instead of waste 30 minutes of my life listening to LovieSpeak]
Orton on the game and season:
“It was a tough loss. We put a lot of effort in the season, everybody did, this team has a lot of character and worked extremely hard but came up short. That's football, I guess. It seems we've done a good job of starting fast and finishing. We just have to find ways to make it last throughout the entire game. We go through a second and third quarter lapse where we don't do a lot. We have to get that corrected. I'm a young player and feel I can keep improving. The more experience I get and the more game time I get I'll get better from there.
“Obviously not everybody going to be together again. We have a lot of comraderie. Just great teammates and for it to be the last game with those guys is tough, so it will be a new team next year but I'm looking forward to working hard in the offseason and improving. I think we have a great group of guys. Tried hard but we just have to play better and we'll see who's here next year. From the start of the season we always put ourselves in position, didn't close out a couple of games that came back to hurt us, but for most part played pretty good football and gave ourselves a chance. Not too many people were giving us a chance to start the season, so all in all thought we played pretty well.”
Orton on acknowledging his ankle has been bothering him:
“It was a battle every game, a battle throughout the week to get it feeling halfway decent. Something would always happen in the game to re-tweak it. I don't think it affected my game a whole lot.”
Forte on his injured toe:
“I got it stepped on and sprained it a little more. It was hurting a little bit, but I've got to play with that. I was out there trying my hardest. I'm going back on the field at all costs.”
Desmond Clark on the season:
“It's an average season. We played average football this year. You judge yourself on getting to the Super Bowl and winning the Super Bowl. The farther away you are from the Super Bowl, that's how you judge yourself. We are not close to the Super Bowl this year at all.”
Manning on the blown coverage that led to a Johnson TD:
“That was all me. It didn't have anything to do with Peanut. I thought it was going to be a run play. The quarterback did a good job with the play-action [fake]. I ran up to support the run, and then he threw it over my head. It was just busted coverage on me. He [Lovie] just told me to stay deep, 'We don't really need you on the run support in Cover-2. That's just me trying to play outside the defense. I should have been more patient than I was. I thought I read run and it wasn't. Good play call on them; bad play on me. I had family here, about 24 people. That was good, seeing them all. But not like this.”
Tillman on the game:
“They wanted it a little bit more than us. Something has to change. I don’t know what that is, but something will change. Something has to.”
Alex Brown on the season:
“We kept seeing the same things happen — same things happened week in and week out. We have to fix it. Hopefully, we can get it fixed and come in next year and let’s see what we can do.”
Quotables from the WCG Game Threads:
“Great jersey tackle Lance!” – aznsensation
“Damn, there’s a lot of Bears fans at
“Yes! AB is the man again!” – tfrabotta
“3rd and 34….if they convert, I’m killing an innocent child” – chibullsfan03
“So that was awesome…great defense” – thecubreporter
“This is the pros, right? How the hell does their #1 receiver get lost in coverage?” – LerxstCub
“The secondary has killed me all season long. Man alive!” – The Original Dave
“What exactly do the DB’s do?” – gobulls1124
“Look pretty” – chibullsfan03
“Ok, that report pisses me off. Why are the players bothering to find out about the Vikes? Focus on this game, dammit” – chibullsfan03 (Quote of the Week)
“We may be out of miracles today” – LerxstCub
“TD Texans. This game is…yeah” – Ozzie
“Gould proves he is human” – 815Sox
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For me the most upsetting thing occured during the preseason
When the D stated that the poor performance was due to them “not trying”… I don’t understand how they could think that was an acceptable answer in the least bit. Kinda set the tone for this season IMO.
by 815Sox on Dec 28, 2008 10:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
im thining that the salaries on that website are not all correct....
because it says marcus hamilton, whom we picked up on waivers this season from tampa bay, makes 10 million…..
by someguy132 on Dec 28, 2008 10:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cross-referenced it with another site
Those are the accurate salaries. Built into total salaries are base pay, signing bonus, and other bonuses (incentive-based, etc.)
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on Dec 28, 2008 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do i get anything for winning the fantasy league dudes?
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Dec 29, 2008 12:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Roll Call Numbers
aznsensation 120
tfrabotta 113
thecubreporter 105
ChiFan13 88
chibullsfan03 84
815Sox 51
LerxstCub 49
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
by Adam T on Dec 29, 2008 12:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No joke
I mean, Lovie took away a lot of offseason posting power from WCG and I when he said that Orton’s the QB in 2009. lol
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on Dec 29, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its the right decision.
Now that the Eagles made the playoffs and draw a match up with the very beatable Vikings, it seems unlikely we could grab McNabb. Cassell will get over paid. Hopefully they can bring in some compition but they didnt seem keen to do that with Rex til he proved convincingly he had failed.
Most importantly we have so many other holes on this roster.
by reprisal on Dec 29, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And it sounds like...
Cassel might re-sign with the Patriots, seeing that Tom Brady’s rehab is way behind schedule.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on Dec 29, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You think so?
Maybe they’ll franchise him to get one year to look at him and just in case Brady doesn’t make it back or come back right. Maybe not the big tag but a smaller one.
I still kind of doubt they keep him and spend the big cash on another QB. If they sign him, they will have an awesome opportunity to trade him after one year if they want.
Kick it to me... I'm open!
by #23 on Dec 29, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, now that you mention it
the ol’ franchise tag seems more likely.
I mean, if Brady was on track or ahead of schedule, I would expect Cassel to be gone. But if Brady’s as far behind on his rehab that some anticipate him missing a chunk of the 2009 season, I’d slap the franchise tag on Cassel too.
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 29, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be worth it for them to carry both.
Sign Cassell for 3-4 years and 8 million and then next season they can either trade Cassell or Brady midseason or wait till next year, but either way they will get a kings ransom in a trade. If Brady starts then we see no more Cassell and his asking price will be high based on 2008. Look at how much Brady Quinn trade talks are every offseason. Cassell will be higher than that.
Kick it to me... I'm open!
by #23 on Dec 29, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
article came out yesterday
says he expects to be ready, who knows what the truth actually is. i would imagine an “sources” would be towing the company line.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Atse.e4FZC5URcqVRKcgvgM5nYcB?slug=ms-morningrush122908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
by mike b on Dec 30, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, one source says that he's behind
and Peter King says he’s ahead of it. Who knows…but slapping the franchise tag on him if Brady’s not 100% would be smart of the Patriots.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
by ChiFan13 on Dec 30, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
You think the Pats will slap the tag and pay him upwards of 8-10 million for 1 season when they could probably ask me to be the QB and I would succeed in that system. They have far to many holes on D for that.
by McRipper on Dec 30, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, really one two scenarios here
1) Brady is behind on rehab
- You automatically put the tag on him. Automatically. Their defense is aging and kind of sucks, yes. But their offense is dominant, and if you don’t have someone to hold the fort together while Brady gets back, they’ll be out of the playoff hunt.
2) Brady is ahead or where he needs to be
- Give the tag to someone else. It’s not like they won’t draft the next Matt Cassel (pretty much any QB will do).
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 30, 2008 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ron and Bob need to go...
I have not jumped on the fire Smith bandwagon yet, but I am expecting an improvement from this year. I do want Ron Turner to be fired and some change in the coaching staff on D.
Our offense was ranked 26th overall this season. Forte was better than we could have (reasonably) hoped for out of a rookie (accounting for 1685/4734 of our total yards or 35.6% of our total offensive production). Given: our O-line needs to be resuscitated, they are inconsistent. I know they averaged 1.8 sacks a game, but I never felt like they played consistently. My real problem with our offense this season was Ron’s beyond questionable play calling. As soon as we got a lead, he would take his foot off the gas and hit cruise control. He would also make terrible decisions in short yardage situations or critical downs. To be fair, our WR core was terrible. Picking up Booker (a fossil) and Lloyd was a mistake, even though we signed Lloyd to the minimum salary (if I remember correctly)
Our defense was sub-par. Why our D-line underperformed should be our primary concern. I know we fired our DB coach, and I am happy with that decision. We ranked 30th in the pass defense (Detroit, St. Lewis, Kanas City were some of the teams who were better than us…they combined for 4 wins this season…pitiful) and it starts up front with pressure on the QB. While I like Bob’s philosophy of blitzing a lot (around 35% if I remember correctly) it only pays off if you can actually get to the QB and rely on your DB’s to put up a fight.
I love Mike Brown. With that said I am getting sick and tired of us relying on him and then an injury takes him out and we drown. I don’t know what was the difference between this year and last year (or the year before) but we have not made large roster changes. What ever it is, they better future it out quickly.
Like the rest of you, I must be content with watching other teams make a run at the superbowl and wait patiently for the 2009 draft to roll around. Happy New Year everyone!
by no.fair.weather.fan.here on Jan 1, 2009 4:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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