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What "should" be done, but likely won't...

Coaches
- Babich - Fire this guy and bring in Rod Marinelli.  He just lost his job, but he is a proved defensive coordinator and was a coaching in Tampa with Dungy when Lovie was their.  This could actually happen.  He really has a lot of character and I believe coached his butt off with horrible talent.
- Turner - Many want this guys head and I'm not opposed to it although I think this year he did his best work.  The question is, is that enough?  Well our WR's and QB's have stunk under him so is that his fault or Angelo's?  Hard to say.  My solution, bring in Mangenius.  He also just lost his job and can maybe help the Bears draft some offensive guys and better develop QB's.  He was a coach under Bellicek so maybe he has some fresh perspective that could help us in the draft and coaching up offensive players.

Lovie - He obviously stays.  With a better staff around him he'll be better.  Look at what he has done with the 2 yahoos he coached with the last two years.  Some will disagree and we'll have to just agree to disagree on this one.  I've see Lovie grow this year by benching stars and cutting high draft picks wasting roster spots and that is why we went 9-7 instead of 7-9.  He is still getting better.  With a better staff, this team wins an extra game or two.  (i.e. Atlanta, Carolina, and Tampa Bay)

Players to cut, trade, resign, or let go
- Nate Vasher, he makes too much.  Talk to him about taking a big pay cut which I doubt will work, but if he really wants to stay 1.5 million would be the target.  I'm not even sure if that is possible.  We would have to cut him and then sign a new  deal I'm pretty sure.  If he doesn't want that then trade him for any pick, preferably a 3-5 but to get rid of the salary take what you can get.  Maybe you could even trade to get a player we need.  That would be the best situation.
- John Tait - He's old and almost done.  St. Clair will likely be here longer and be more productive in the long haul.  Tait has a good salary that we could use toward a younger guard that we all know we need desperately.  You can't keep everyone so a younger, better guard and St. Clair at RT is better than Old Dependable John taking up money we need to give in FA.
- Urlacher - Chances are someone will want him and we need the picks.  Maybe Urlacher to Arizona to get Boldin.  I would rather see Briggs in the middle and Boldin on offense.  Urlacher is getting old and played at New Mexico.  I don't know if there is any connection, but he is killing our scheme over the middle and his salary would be better put to use else where.  It time to cut the cord.  You hate to do that with a franchise player and this likely will not happen but it should.  That is really my point.  I'm sure it won't though.
- Mark Anderson - Maybe someone has a plan for this guy.  I wouldn't cut him because he is still on a rookie contract, but if you could get a 4th or 5th rounder for this guy and we could draft a new DE in the 2nd or 3rd it would be worth it.  Anderson has been useless for 2 seasons and a 4 or 5 could help give us the depth we need at CB/ST's.
- Resign Lloyd to be the #3 WR.  Look the guy catches the ball and he is cheap.  Yeah he wouldn't play hurt, there is a reason he is cheap.  Not every player on your roster can make 4-10 million a year.  We can get this guy for one million and have Hester be #2 and find a #1.  Bump down Davis to #4 and let the guy play special teams.  I'll take a #3 like him any day.  He saved Orton's butt a ton of times this year.
- Booker - Thanks for trying to help us this year. We're going to move forward without you.  We knew you were old when we signed you and we hoped for more, but were surprised that your not too effective anymore.  Thanks for helping us when we were in desperate need of help at WR.


Free Agency
- Sign Cassel.  Assuming that  you bring in Mangini, then this guy can hopefully make sure Cassel keeps performing.  Make sure Cassel's contract has a nice bonus up front and make it easy to cut him in 2-3 years if really sucks.  If Orton outperforms him for some crazy reason then we have a nice trade piece next season.
- Sign a FA WR - My wish list would be to trade a 2 or 3 for Burress and take on his problems.  It would most likely include the lease lost.  Antonio Bryant is another option that would preserve draft picks.  He may not be a flashy name but at least he can make some plays.  We at least need a playmaker.  Sign TJ Houshmygrandaddy to a 3 year deal.  We know the guy can catch.  It gives us a few seasons to find another WR.  Buying time is important.  Housh and Hester and Olsen would be pretty nice.  TJ isn't finished yet.    What he did this year on that horrible team, was impressive.  Forget Boldin, he costs a bunch and we're going to lose a ton of draft picks.  Sure if we could get a good trade, but honestly everyone and their brother wants him and the stakes are likely going to be too high.
Sign a FA G - Not much to say here since I don't know OL talent around the league, but our push up the middle was very weak this year.  We saw it in goalline situations and 3rd and 1 all year.  Forte will get the yard even if it isn't there, but we need something better up the middle.  Cutting Tait, could open up salary to sign a FA.  Then St. Clair could move over to the right side or stay on the left.  Although St. Clair isn't amazing, he only had about 3 bad games this year going against the best pass rushers in the league.  Maybe on the opposite side he will better.

Draft
Safety - I wasn't originally thinking this way, but I'm now convinced.  Everyone else was right on this one.  We need a star back there and should draft a high caliber guy immediately. (pick round 1 or 2)
DE - Many may not see this as a priority, but it is.  Ogunleye and Anderson have ()
G - If we address this through FA, then we can look for a value G later in the draft, if not, this should be a first round pick.  Fixing the line is the top offensive priority with WR being the second and also very important offensive priority.
WR - If we sign a star like Burress or Housh or Boldin, then draft a mid rounder, if we don't then we need to try to draft in the first or second round.  This may be impossible considering our other needs, but we should be signing someone through FA or else we're morons.
CB - Next season we should have Bowman and McGowan back to add with Manning, Tillman & Grahm.  With that said and assuming Vasher is gone we still need two more guys to create competition and depth.  I actually believe in Angelo drafting solid CB's and think he can do well drafting both of these guys in rounds 4-7.  Especially if we can grab a pick or two by trading one of the players above.

Conclusion:
We have 4 positions G, WR, DE, and Safety that we should be drafting in the first 2 rounds.  We don't have that many picks, so my recommendation is to sign a FA G and WR.  That would allow us to draft a Safety and DE in rounds 1-2.  Then in rounds 3-4 we could grab a WR, OL, or QB.  Then we could finish up by grabbing CB's and another WR, OL, or DL. 

As far as WR's, I'm attempting to be realistic.  Boldin is the best option but so expensive that it hurt us at putting together a full team.  Yes Burress has issues, but the dude plays hard and is a huge play maker and he is a cheaper option because of his issues.  As far as I know we have no one other than Lloyd that comes with baggage.  Our WR's should look like FA #1, Hester #2, LLoyd, Davis, Bennet, & a rookie competing for #4 and #5.

 

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"TJ Houshmygrandaddy"

that line is gold.

"I like to use 'I Can't Believe it's Not Butter' on my toast in the morning, because sometimes when I eat breakfast, I like to be incredulous.

How was breakfast? Unbelievable."

by chibullsfan03 on Dec 29, 2008 11:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...
Lovie – He obviously stays. With a better staff around him he’ll be better. Look at what he has done with the 2 yahoos he coached with the last two years. Some will disagree and we’ll have to just agree to disagree on this one. I’ve see Lovie grow this year by benching stars and cutting high draft picks wasting roster spots and that is why we went 9-7 instead of 7-9. He is still getting better. With a better staff, this team wins an extra game or two. (i.e. Atlanta, Carolina, and Tampa Bay)

For the most part, Lovie’s staff is determined by… ummm… Lovie. He had no say in the Ron Turner hiring (that was his punishment for hiring Terry Shea as his original OC). So, if you don’t like Lovie’s coaching staff… then blame Lovie. If it were up to him, his offense would be run by Terry Shea, and his defense would be run by Rod “0-16” Marinelli.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Dec 29, 2008 11:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You're right! I'm not arguing with that.

I think Lovie is a solid head coach, but not good at staffing. Yes there are things I don’t like about Lovie, but there are a lot of things I still respect. He is also under contract and we know what he can do. Before canning the head coach I would like to find better coordinators and improve the talent some more.

Kick it to me... I'm open!

by #23 on Dec 29, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just wonder though

If Lovie’s staff is completely his call, or if JA throws his weight around when it comes to hiring support staff.

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by Dane Noble on Dec 29, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

I agree with pretty much everything you said.

We can build on the CB situation through the draft. The one thing Angelo is superb at is drafting CB’s.

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by ChiFan13 on Dec 29, 2008 2:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Funny thing is I use to think he drafted LB, DE, and Safety pretty well also, but then

we ended up Okwo, Jamar Williams (who apparently isn’t that good if Nick Roach already passed him up), Bazine, & Steltz (who is developing pretty slowly imo). Steltz may be better in the future, but I’m not counting on that.

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by #23 on Dec 29, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I never really expected much of Steltz

But he’s hit dead on with a lot of CB’s.

Charles Tillman (2nd)
Nathan Vasher (4th; was good until he forgot basic tackling fundamentals)
Corey Graham (5th)
Trumaine McBride (7th)
Zach Bowman (5th [yes, I realize we didn’t see much of him at all, but he played good in the time he had])

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by ChiFan13 on Dec 29, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That too

Lovie would win some respect from me if he did that. Not enough to want to keep him as HC though.

by McRipper on Dec 29, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me try again

Letting Babich and Turner go does nothing if you keep Lovie because he’ll just go out and get some other dumbass to run the D which in turn makes Angelo hire another failed OC. Lovie is the problem here. You can single handidly blame him for the 2 playoff loses. His inability to realize that Steve Smith torched the D in the first half and not make any adjustments to stop him and the decision to abandon the run in a monsoon during the Super Bowl. T Jones was lighting the Colts up and they start throwing the ball. Genius.

It’s a recurring theme with Lovie. The man does not know how to adjust to what the other team is throwing at him. Unfortunately, he does just enough to keep his job.

by McRipper on Dec 29, 2008 2:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I hear you 100% on Lovie.

My question is that I don’t know how much of the Superbowl or the Carolina playoff loss were because of Lovie or Rivera. I definitely agree that all these coaches refused to adjust until this year. Several times this season on offense we made adjustments in the second half that helped us. Several times we also went away from the run when it was working, but that is another story. Also, I feel that the D made tons of adjustments this year with more blitzing, less cover 2, and benching guys like Vasher and Hillenmeier and suspending Tommie Harris. That stuff was pretty unheard of out our team in previous years. A guy like Vasher who made a ton of cash or a stalwart like Hillenmeier would have never gotten benched. Then you look at the high draft picks that got cut. That was new as well. I like those changes. The staff is moving on much faster on bad performance than they use to. Maybe Lovie is the problem, but I have to believe he didn’t have enough talent this season at WR or QB to do much better their and on defense some of these guys that are making money aren’t as good anymore like Vasher, Urlacher, and Brown. I still like Brown and Urlacher’s effort, but production was way down.

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by #23 on Dec 29, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But he's Head Coach

regardless if it was Lovie or Rivera’s D getting torched, HE needs to make the adjustments because he’s the Head Honcho. He needs to pull Turner/Babich and tell them the D’s getting killed, either adjust or I’m taking over. Same with the Offense, tell them this shit is weak and unless you get creative and starting picking up first downs, I’m calling plays. I’m talking about in game adjustments. They cutting of players and demotions are great. But I was referring to in game adjusments.

by McRipper on Dec 29, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, you're right. I'm just thinking out loud really.

I guess I just wonder if there is good and bad in any coach and maybe we are only looking at the bad right now. I like this guys character. I like that he works well with his players and has their respect. I like that he is optimistic which has helped us earned a win or two extra both this year and last, imo. I like that we get lots of turnovers. I like that we are patient in each game. I like that we don’t get blown out very often. Some of that stuff sounds weird, but the guy is solid at what he does, but what he doesn’t do has probably hurt us. Part of me believes he is still changing and growing. I doubt he could take over the play calling responsibilities.

If he were fired, I would understand, but I would definitely want him to be my defensive coordinator if I saw him out there looking for a job.

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by #23 on Dec 29, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Like the idea

fire the coordinators & WR coach

I’d rather see if the Jags let go of Gregg Williams over Marinelli.

Bringing in Mangini might help the offense in a number of ways as well as maybe light a much need fire under Lovie’s ass.

We also definitely need to upgrade the run game not only via the OL but a suitable back up to Forte so we dont burn him out in 4 seasons.

by reprisal on Dec 29, 2008 3:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

My number one fear in the offseason:
We also definitely need to upgrade the run game not only via the OL but a suitable back up to Forte so we dont burn him out in 4 seasons.

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by ChiFan13 on Dec 29, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great point, I forgot to mention that, but we do need to draft a guy in the late rounds to help Forte.

I would love to see Wolfe get another chance, but he has to bust his but and bulk up and start blocking well. If Wolfe could break a tackle here and there, he would be a weapon. He needs some beef.

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by #23 on Dec 29, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He lead the team in ST tackles, he's not exactly wimpy.

He needs a defined role/package of plays. Which makes too much sense for this coaching staff.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 29, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Special teams tackling is not the same as being tackled.

I like Wolfe and he was ST’s star this season, but when he runs the ball gentle breeze could tackle him. People nail him with a finger and the guy loses his balance and hits the turf. He needs to build up those legs to be like trees. He has the speed and vision, but he needs the low center of gravity the ability to break minor arm tackles.

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by #23 on Dec 29, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

small guys do well at RB if they’re built right – jones-drew and sproles come to mind. i think wolfe is a good change-of-pace RB so long as he works on his legs and balance.

by guy incognito on Dec 30, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I agree

I’’m not saying Wolfe shouldn’t work on getting better (everyone should be working to get better), but if Wolfe actually had a package of plays (which is something Turner is allergic to) he could be really effective, IMO.

But being a coverage guy and leading the team in tackles says to me 1) he’s coachable, Toub’s gotten him to buy into coverage and 2) he understands angles, which would probably help his vision and how to break tackles.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 30, 2008 11:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the problem

is people keep saying this:

but if Wolfe actually had a package of plays (which is something Turner is allergic to) he could be really effective, IMO.

yet cannot define this “package.”

he seems really good on draw plays on 3 and 30.

if you’re using him in the passing game he seems to be a less talented version of devin hester, and he can’t move the pile…so i fail to see his skill set filling a niche we don’t already have or one that is useful. as a running back with the giants offensive line, sure i could see giving him a few snaps. but to say turner is incorrectly using a guy (a guy he knows far more about than any of us) seems a bit inaccurate.

by mike b on Dec 31, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As much respect as I have for Marinelli

(he seems like a damn fine guy), I don’t want another Tampa guy brought in.

I want someone like Chico who wasn’t afraid to go a different direction. Yes we primarliy play cover 2, but a good offense can tear up the zone. Need someone with a differnt background, maybe get some ideas flowing again.

I’d like to see someone from the Dick LeBeau or Jim Johnson trees brought in. New blood. New faces.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 29, 2008 5:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Some thoughts

Is Mangini really qualified to be an OC? doesn’t seems like theres a whole lot of clear cut options out there for either job.

Best bet at fixing the D might be canning Lovie and hiring Spagnuolo. I wasn’t really calling for Lovie’s head(unless he wont change his staff). But only way we can get this guy is for HC and he’ll be gone this year I’d think.

by reprisal on Dec 30, 2008 1:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

wasn't mangini a defense guy?

i am pretty sure all his gigs prior to the jets job were on the defensive side of the ball.

by guy incognito on Dec 30, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ron rivera

made a comment yesterday on 1000 that it’s nice to be in a place where the head coach is a offensive guy so you can run your defense and be able to do your job.

interesting what happens with any replacement.

by mike b on Dec 31, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ryan in baltimore

would be great for a dc, but he’s probably looking for a head coach job.

by mike b on Dec 30, 2008 8:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Heck yeah.

But, it would be tough to get a guy to make a lateral move.

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by #23 on Dec 30, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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