"I Predict" - Your Top Off-season Predictions for 2009
by SackMan on Dec 29, 2008 1:42 PM CST
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Mark them down here fellas... just so you can record your "I told you so's," and rub them in later.
The predictions can range anywhere from the Bears... to NFC North division rivals... to across the NFL. They can be related to coaching moves, draft predictions, FA signings, surprise cuts, rules changes, or anything else your imagination can come up with.
No need to elaborate, or back your prediction... just state it.
I predict: Rex Grossman signs with the Dallas Cowboys to back-up Tony Romo.
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by Chanman25 on Dec 29, 2008 2:08 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
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Great post, Sackman.
I predict the Bears draft (in order) OG, WR, S.
I predict a quiet offseason acquisition period. (surprise)
I predict that neither Babich or Turner gets fired.
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 29, 2008 2:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope your so wrong, yet I feel an erie sense of correctness in all you say!
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by #23 on Dec 29, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I really hope I'm wrong too
But this was “I predict,” not “I hope.” lol
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 29, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are my eyes working correctly?!
Did #23 just AGREE with ChiFan??? You’ve been disagreeing with him all season… didn’t know you had it in you!
Lol… j/k
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by Dane Noble on Dec 29, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we usually agree. The good part of disagreeing with ChiFan is...
He’ll agree with you on the part that he agrees with and not write off the whole statement.
Mike B, Big Low and few others and I disagree a lot. Basically it comes down to can Grossman ever be something somewhere or will he always suck. The new one is Orton getting the blind eye treatment for his flaws whereas Grossman bulls eye treatment. That is a new crowd.
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by #23 on Dec 29, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I predict next year
the Bears will still start Orton and he’ll be throwing to Hester and Devery Henderson.
Or some non making a move crap like that.
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by Adam T on Dec 29, 2008 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We've got too many holes to worry about recievers
Fix both lines and the team looks a lot better suddenly.
Make Hester an actual downfield threat by giving Orton time to throw (with a good o-line) and then the box can’t be stacked as much for Forte.
by Arbusto on Dec 30, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Offseason Predictions
Babich gets fired, and the Bears cut CB Nathan Vasher, while moving Corey Graham into the starting role…
I also see Marty Booker and Brandon Lloyd being cut as well. Rashied Davis is horrendous too, but can at least contribute on special teams…
by bmeierho on Dec 29, 2008 2:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So by your predictions
the Bears let loose pretty much all their receivers. Who exactly do you have replacing them?
If the Bears aren’t going to bring in a true #1 why bother restaffing with a new set of #2s and 3s? At least this group has some experience with the system.
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by Adam T on Dec 30, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I predict
the Bears will not be a playoff team again as long as Lovie’s head coach.
by McRipper on Dec 29, 2008 2:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
You’ve made a cross-thread prediction, so touche.
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by ChiFan13 on Dec 29, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I sadly agree, McRipper
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by TheMightyErik on Dec 31, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i predict...
… that we will hear WAY too many people complaining about Babich and Turner (and Smith, to a lesser extent).
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by big_lowitzki on Dec 30, 2008 8:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I predict Kyle Orton holds out...
After Lovie Smith just foolishly named him next year’s starter. Lovie hasn’t learned a damn thing.
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by SackMan on Dec 30, 2008 8:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I predict the Bears do enough nothing
to keep this sites traffic going all off season.
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by Adam T on Dec 30, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Should WCG be a win/win
If they do nothing, we come to bitch.
If they do something, we come to praise or bitch.
Either way, there is traffic?
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by torch on Dec 31, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but history tells me that traffic is higher when people are not happy.
Game Threads when we were losing have signficantly higher comments than when we are winning.
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by Adam T on Dec 31, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone has much more opinion, when things are going badly!
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by SackMan on Jan 4, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
orton has no reason to hold out
we should hold out on him
by SamuraiMike50 on Dec 30, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
Nice post. I predict a huge draft. We will trade away at least one high-salaried player, if not more, for 1st and 2nd round picks. We will probably be surprised by the moves.
As far as coaching, I predict BoBab getting axed, and Lovie and Ron’s future hinging on the success of 2009. Anything short of a 10 wins, and a North title next year, and they are both gone.
Jerry ain’t going anywhere.
Ang QB… I predict Neck will not be the starter next year.
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by Dane Noble on Dec 30, 2008 10:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty bold
given Bears history. It suggests that we won’t make a move on any high priced players. We might get rid of a contract or two (Vasher).
I don’t think anybody gets fired.
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by Adam T on Dec 30, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is bold given the history...
But 2 season removed from a Super Bowl, and squandering away games with the defense we have I think will cause a shake up.
/ No one mentioning Mike Brown yet… predictions?
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by Dane Noble on Dec 30, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Brown resigns an incentive based contract with a low base salary.
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by #23 on Dec 30, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like what he had for 2008.
If I remember correctly, his 2008 contract (the last year on his contract) was restructured to provide injury protection for the Bears. I think it had something to do with the number of snaps he was on the field, but I can’t remember the particulars. He is constantly referred to as the emotional leader of the team, and I love MIke to death, but the feller can’t seem to stay healthy. I hope your prediction is right.
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by Dane Noble on Dec 30, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to make a prediction, but
I still think he needs to hang it up and become a coach for us. He knows how to play the spot, but his body won’t hold up.
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by Adam T on Dec 30, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it'd be fine
if they actually had a back up plan or maybe even rotate him in.
But ya, if he doesnt play bring him on the coacing staff.
by reprisal on Dec 30, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I predict we trade...
the 1st round pick in the draft and end up picking up no name talent from Division II schools.
We get a #2 WR in F/A and spend most of the F/A money on an offensive lineman.
by Subotai on Dec 30, 2008 12:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So,
You’re prediction is that we have no 1st round pick, draft a D-II player, get a #2 WR (no #1?) and get 1 Olineman?
I call shenanigans… did somebody let Adam Archuletta sign-up under “Subotai”?
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by Dane Noble on Dec 30, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A quick crazy prediction for 2010...
If we have ampther sub-par season in 2009, and IF Cowher doesn’t sign with the Jets, then Cowher signs with the Bears, Lovie becomes DCoord, and Jerry gets replaced by a hand-picked GM by Cowher.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3799959
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by Dane Noble on Dec 30, 2008 12:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
huh?
Lovie is going to take a demotion with the Bears? Doubtful…
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 2, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just daydreamin' a bit...
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by Dane Noble on Jan 2, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Free Agency Prediction
barring franchise tags, Chicago won’t pony up the money for Housh, Haynesworth, Peppers or come up with a good enough trade for Boldin. We’ll get Shaun McDonald, Jordan Gross (which would be great), Johnathan Babineaux, and Jermaine Phillips.
by Subotai on Dec 30, 2008 12:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I predict..
Adewale is traded/cut
Bears sign Peppers
Vasher traded
Bears sign Gross RT
Bears trade RD1, RD3, Vasher for Boldin
Bears draft RD2 William Moore FS
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by ARAM FOR MVP on Dec 30, 2008 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I predict
That if Angelo makes that trade for Boldin he’ll have every GM in the league lining up to make trades with him.
That said, I predict two of Ogunleye, Vasher and Anderson will be traded, probably for a wide receiver. I’d love for Harris to be traded too, but Lovie loves him and will have a tantrum if Angelo even broaches the idea. He could net us a decent WR all by himself.
Tillman will move to safety, where he will do well;
Urlacher will move to strong-side linebacker, with Briggs moving to the middle.
In the draft, the Bears will go DE/CB-OG-OT and they’ll also grab a backup for Forte.
Free agency: backup QB, OG, WR (if they don’t trade for one; if they do I predict they actually make an offer to a DE like Peppers)
Say goodbye to:
Tait
Garza
Mike Brown
Vasher
Rashied Davis
Booker
Grossman
Metcalfe
by garsky on Dec 30, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Briggs has been doing the business, but isn’t middle linebacker the sacred position of the Bears, and Urlacher the golden boy (even if his star may be on the wane)? Even if it makes sense to move them around, I wonder if they would.
by Spongie on Jan 4, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
After hearing what Angelo said about KO
I can see us going after Warner.
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by ARAM FOR MVP on Dec 30, 2008 1:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like Kurt Warner a ton, but I don't know about him playing in 0 degree weather
also he is a passing QB, not a game manager. Who is he going to pass to?
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by #23 on Dec 30, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and if we cannot protect him
he is worthless to us.
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by Adam T on Dec 31, 2008 7:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
^^This^^
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by Dane Noble on Dec 31, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i predict...
another contract for Lloyd
bears draft some fat chode to block for neck
we suck again
by SamuraiMike50 on Dec 30, 2008 4:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
nice.... lol
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by TheMightyErik on Dec 31, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Predict
…that we will trade for Tom Brady. In exchange we will give New England a hot dog.
But seriously,
I predict…
-Grossman will be resigned as a backup since he knows the system and no one else will take a shot at him.
-Mike Brown I love ya but I think the front office is sick of you and your lousy calf muscle.
-Gaines Adams takes over Dusty Dvoraceks (probably misspelled) position.
-Lloyd will be resigned.
-No big name receiver will be signed. Maybe a player along the lines of Steve Breaston or someone similar to his ability.
-Even though we should draft WR first, our first 4 picks will be on the defensive side of the ball lol.
-Vasher will be traded even though I think he can return to his pro bowl form.
-And finally we’ll probably draft a no name quarterback who’s playing style resembles Moses Moreno (anybody remember him?).
by DaBears2234 on Dec 30, 2008 6:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think Vasher could return to form as well
He was playing with a bad wrist. If that was a problem early it could explain his missed tackles.
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by #23 on Dec 30, 2008 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lloyd spent half the year in the doghouse
and wasn’t that good when he wasn’t. i don’t see him being re-signed.
by Hatchetm on Dec 31, 2008 7:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
What did he do so bad? I thought he caught almost every ball thrown his way and got open and had to make a ton of tough catches because of poor throws and often times did. Did I miss something about how he played on the field?
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by #23 on Dec 31, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He had his best game and then got injured.
What happened was by all accounts is he was medically cleared and the coaches thought he was ready to get back on the field, but he decided he wasn’t ready to go. I think he missed 2 weeks everybody thought he should be back out there.
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by Adam T on Dec 31, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
He was being a puss.
Plus, prior to becoming a Bear, he had a reputation for having alligator arms (aka: being a puss).
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by SackMan on Dec 31, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give him some credit
he made some fantastic catches for us, he is very similar to TO in the fact that he made some carnival catches, but you put the ball on the numbers and he can’t bring it in.
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by Adam T on Dec 31, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm only talking about on the field and I know it all comes in one package
but on the field, I didn’t think he dropped too many. Olsen dropped a lot more obvious ones than Lloyd. I thought he was the only guy that consistently caught the ball. I remember a couple misses, were there more?
The injury thing sucked, but if the guy can play, isn’t it worth it to keep a guy who is cheap around to be the 3rd or 4th guy. His price surely hasn’t gone up after this year and we paid him nothing last year.
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by #23 on Dec 31, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hang on?
Isn’t Gaines Adams playing for Tampa?
I guess you mean Anthoney Adams DT, I don’t think that the free market will be quite as baron for Rex this year and actually the suggestion by a previous comment of him going to the cowboys is probably a good bet.
They will more than likely offer Mike Brown a repeat of this years contract, take it or leave it.
I agree with Lloyd being resigned.
Here are my predictions:
We go Lineman for the first 2 picks DE then OG and with one of our 2 3rd round Picks(Comp for Berrian) we will take a QB.
We trade away Vasher and live to regret it e.g. C. Harris.
We pick up a free-agent WR but it’s not who the fans want.
We sign Marrinelli as DLine coach/Assistant Head Coach
by Bears118 on Jan 6, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I predict
Marinelli will be hired by some position in the Bears organization. Lovie’s best friend and Angelo tried to hire him in 2004 as DC.
I also predict Lloyd isn’t rehired.
Babich is gone
Turner stays for the 2009 season but depending on how he does he may be gone for 2010
Boldin isn’t wearing a Bears Jersey next year
Angelo makes a gutsy move and drafts a QB in one of the first 3 rounds
Vasher has a comeback year in 2009 gets praise and everyone forgets about how bad he was.
if not it will go
DE-WR-RB-OG-WR-OT-CB
for 1-7th rounds respectively
by JohnnyTruant on Jan 3, 2009 2:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
DE
With Wale, Alex Brown, and Mark Anderson, i doubt the bears will use their 1st round pick on a DE.
Brown is a game changer
Anderson CAN produce and is on cheap rookie contract
Wale’s expensive contract makes him the odd man out of this group.
i say trade him for either a 1st day pick o or include him in a trade for a big name___
(WR?)
by No It All on Jan 3, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wale will not get a first rounder.
I doubt Urlacher would either.
Anderson may be cheap, but as far as producing. He isn’t. One sack in two seasons combined sucks. And he isn’t that good on stopping the run. Cheap or not, he should be replaced. Someone else deserves a shot.
DE was lousy for the Bears this year at creating pressure on the QB. Brown did solid in run support and made some plays, but he isn’t an elite pass rusher. We have to find a way to improve the pass rush or the cover 2 is worthless.
Because we don’t have an elite end, I can see us drafting DE in round one or two. I doubt we find one in FA. They don’t become FA if they are elite.
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by #23 on Jan 3, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DT
maybe not a 1st rounder… but maybe a pick on the “1st day”. draft=speculative… but wale + our 3rd(4th 5th?) rounder could help us move up and get an ealry pick on draft day.
DE is a strange position on this team… I think the most pressing position on the D Line is DT, Urlacher, run stopping and all, making DE somewhat of a luxury. But given that DT and LB are the focus of the D, good DE play is what can put them over the top, into “elite” status…
SO who is the 2nd DT next to tommie and and taking pressure off of Urlacher anyway? Dusty! he hasnt panned out? Adams was good but is he the solution? I like Idonije… ?
Why not draft a DT in the 1st and secure the # 2 spot on the depth chartat DT instead drafting a a #4DE to compete against wale (getting paid too much to sit), brown (awesome), anderson (capable of 12 sacks as a nonstarter)?
Side note: Julius Peppers is a FA and his new contract is likely to be more than but similar to Wale’s. Peppers is a beast and if DE is THE area the bears address I would prefer Peppers over a rookie. This allows us to address offense in the draft (1st round especially). Trade of Wale frees up $ and we get the better player in Peppers, and possibly brings in another pick?
by No It All on Jan 3, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brown is good
But not THAT good. He’d make a great RE. Bears need to sign Peppers or draft a DE, and trade Adewale for whatever they can get.
by garsky on Jan 5, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
QB
Prediction… bears sign JP Losman to “compete” and consider the QB drought in chicago over.
While I think we can win with Orton, he is far from ideal and the QB prospects in this draft make me drool… especially Tebow. With Bradford and Stafford shooting up draft boards Tebow might be on the board at #18. Draft him in the 1st round (likely considering Bears draft history… NOT) and the qb quandry is over in chicago.
by No It All on Jan 3, 2009 4:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tebow may likely not even play QB in the NFL.
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by SackMan on Jan 3, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what would he play?
He’s gonna be a QB
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by Chanman25 on Jan 3, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
According to Mel Kiper... H-Back or TE
"I think an H-back, tight end projection, like we’ve had quarterbacks move to wide receiver in the past," Kiper said. "That’s what I think he will be. … (Tebow) can have a very successful career in the NFL, but not at quarterback."
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by SackMan on Jan 4, 2009 6:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that changes everything!
if mel kiper says so…
by No It All on Jan 4, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All praise the hair.
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by Adam T on Jan 5, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for Tebow being a Bear.
Someone who actually has that much heart and drive in not just football but everything he does outside of it is a merit to his character. We need someone who will live and breathe the Chicago Bears and I think he could be a great QB for us…not to mention it would be GREAT to have a QB who actually can run faster than brett favre…sorry orton.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 6, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
would be great to have a QB who can SCRAMBLE
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 6, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it would also...
… be great to have a QB who could throw.
Which Tebow is not.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 6, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
assuming you are right....
and Tebow cannot throw, which is not true, then i would still rather have a mobile qb who cannot throw (Tebow), instead of an immobile qb who cannot throw (Orton).
by No It All on Jan 6, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mobile? Yes
Able to actually run in the pros? No.
Like I said earlier, if Briggs and Tebow met in the open field, the grounds crew would still be picking up pieces of Tebow for three days.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 6, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps....
But why would you want to build a team around such a QB?
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 7, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
Just for starters…assuming u have internet access go look up Tebows stats + a Heisman + perennial National champ= nuff said
by No It All on Jan 7, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And that translates to the NFL how?
Here’s a few names for you:
Andre Ware, Gino Teretta, Ty Detmer, Jason White, Eric Crouch, blah, blah, blah, I can keep going if you want.
My point is that for every Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer, there are 30 of these other guys I mentioned.
by McRipper on Jan 7, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow is going to be a system QB
Miami should pick him up if they plan to keep using the Wildcat. He could work in number of different ways in that scheme.
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by Adam T on Jan 7, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent thought!
That’s the only logical idea I’ve seen for Tebow being in the NFL.
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by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think...
… that Tebow could be a decent/good player in the NFL, just probably not at QB.
A lot of people seem to think that he would make a pretty good tight end/h-back.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 7, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know his speed is good for a QB
but is it for a Hback?
I suppose I could see him as a TE, he has decent size, though 6’2" is quickly becoming small for a TE.
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by Adam T on Jan 7, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Could prob run the Wildcat well...
but, there’s a reason the Wildcat is only used of a handful of snaps per game. And, there’s a reason the pros run a “pro style” offense: NFL teams protect the QB.
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by SackMan on Jan 7, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
but Miami runs the Wildcat significantly more than others. Not what you want if you are taking Tebow in the first, but I was just suggesting a possible way for him to have success. Maybe you bring him primarily as a TE, but bring him behind center when you use the Wildcat.
For the Wildcat to really be successful the guy taking the snap needs to be good at both running and throwing. If Hester is lined up you know he is running it. But with a guy like Tebow you have to watch both options. I could be effective.
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by Adam T on Jan 7, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A QB running the option in the NFL
Would break down half way through the season because of the massive hits.
Again… that’s why they run a “pro style” offense. They protect the QB in the NFL.
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by SackMan on Jan 7, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
assuming you...
… have internet access, go find something to show me how that is relevant to the NFL?
College stats mean little without context.
Heisman trophy awards, especially with quarterbacks. See: Crouch, J. White, T. Smith, Weinke, Wuerffel, etc.
And perennial National Champ? Since when is Florida a perennial national champ?
Seriously… go look at some of those heisman winners – they also put up great numbers, won championships, and won heisman’s.
What is your point?
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 7, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heisman's and National Championships don't = Good pro
Sorry they don’t. When I was young I thought wow we got Rashaan Salaam the Heisman guy. He couldn’t hold onto the ball and disappeared from the league fast. Troy Smith won a Heisman, but Joe Flacco from Delware Frickin’ State who had no acclomades is the future in Baltimore.
Why? He’s tall, has a strong arm, mobile, makes solid decisions, and is decently accurate. That equates to a good NFL QB.
Sorry, but only one running QB has stayed that way in the NFL and it was Michael Vick and Tebow is no Vick. Vince Young couldn’t cut it, McNabb and Cuelpepper stopped running after a couple seasons in the pros. So far no one has succeeded as a running QB in the NFL.
Now if Tebow has some physical attributes that you think will help in the pros or is super accurate or something. Maybe.
I do understand that not every good QB is tall, but man it helps a lot. Right Mike B?
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by #23 on Jan 7, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heisman's and National Championships don't = bad pro
by No It All on Jan 7, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
umm...
… who said they did?
You made the argument that numbers + heisman + national championship would make a good pro. You even said that by using the internet we could learn that.
We have given you numerous examples of how this is blatantly untrue. And you have ignored it.
Awesome.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 7, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crystal ball
My logic is simple, Tebow good me like. his stats and accolades are are not my point, they simply reinforce it.
Your logic is based on an assumption that the failure of previous college QBs at the pro level means Tebow will fail as an NFL QB. Weak assumption leads to faulty logic.
Saying that if Andre Ware, Gino Teretta, Ty Detmer, Jason White, Eric Crouch failed as a NFL QBs, then Tebow will fail is simply not persuasive. Not accepting what I think is a shoddy argument doesn’t mean I’m ignoring it, hence the replies.
Tell me you don’t like the way he does ________ or __________ thatd be interesting.
I get the he will get hurt if he runs thing, but that is a risk every player takes on every down.
Size, toughness and 4.52 40 might not allow him to run on defenses in the NFL, but I do think 1 or 2 more seconds in the pocket (or outside of it) can change games.
I also think the success of the Wildcat offense throughout the league has exposed unathletic QBs as a liability. Maybe not a liability, but not really in a position to contribute when the D is lining up with 11 athletes on the other side…
Maybe the Bears get lucky and this feeling that Tebow cant be an NFL QB allows him to fall to the Bears in the draft…
by No It All on Jan 7, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well let's see
Tebow isn’t really a good QB. He’s a beast when it comes to running the football. You take away his running stats and his stats are very mediocre as a passer. With the exception of Crouch, all those QBs I listed put up huge PASSING stats in college. Fact is, stats in college mean jack shit to the NFL. Matt Cassell was drafted not because he had the stats but because he had the tools NFL teams feel a QB should have. Which isn’t running all over shitty college defenses.
by McRipper on Jan 7, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
Maybe tone down the profanity a little please?
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by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While I completely understand
Sometimes the communication between adults can require strong language to prove a point or provide emphasis on subject matter, I also understand that in situations where children may be present, we as adults have to filter our words. While a lot of people don’t agree with censoring language in the presence of children, I do. Also, it can accidently slip out when talking, but typing is completely different. Regardless, I realize I am just wasting time with this… it was just a simple request. But do what you will…
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by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
However, here’s the thing: On the game threads, it happens. When you mix football with diehard fans, it’s going to happen. It doesn’t mean that it’s right, and I’m sure as hell not giving a free pass, but it happens.
I’m not making McRipper the sacrificial lamb, because I’ve sworn on here to prove a point. Everyone should try to avoid it as much as possible.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 7, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Understood.
And I know it happens… but when back and forth comments start escalating, and profanity starts popping up, it isn’t a bad idea for someone else to suggest putting on the brakes before it gets ugly. Which is all I did. Not trying to make a big deal out of it… just a friendly “knock it off” before it gets outta hand. It never hurts to get have folks keeping perspective, especially with a tight-knit community like we have!
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by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
obviously
you haven’t been here long. you haven’t seen anything until you’ve seen a back and forth between mikeb and leopoldjones.
I just don’t feel there’s anything wrong with a heated discussion, as long as people still get their point across in between swears.
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by thecoolest on Jan 7, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the problem, fellas
This is not WCG’s site. Yes, he runs it and it used to be his personal website. This website is SBNation’s property; therefore, we follow their rules.
I realize that other sites may not follow SBNation’s guidelines. I frequent a few blogs that view swearing as a natural occurance. There’s nothing wrong with a heated discussion, and my response to McRipper and GeauxBears was meant as nothing more than a reminder to the greater WCG community. Swearing happens; just try to be aware of it and not do it AS much.
And from the sounds of it, I really wish I was here during the days of mike b and leopold :)
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 7, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Lord...
Thank you for letting me know what you personally are okay with.
But your personal opinions do not superced tact on this topic for me.
Again, this has nothing to do with what bothers me personally… just keeping the younguns in mind!
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by Dane Noble on Jan 8, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was to thecoolest, by the way.
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by Dane Noble on Jan 8, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my two cents
and unfortunately, I gotta side with big, #23, and GeauxBears on this one.
There is a huge difference between dominating the college ranks and dominating the pros.
Vince Young dominated in NCAA. Hell, there was not one team that could stop him. He put up monster numers in the national championship game. I’m not going to say he’s a bust YET, because using that logic means that I have to call Matt Lienart a bust.
I do agree with you that having mobility is nice. If a QB can buy a few extra seconds to find a receiver and hit him, that’s great. But Tim Tebow is not going to be able to run like a McNabb or a Vick. VY is way faster than Tebow, and look how that ended up for him.
At the moment, Tebow does not look to be a quality NFL QB. Could that change? Hell yeah; crazier things have happened (like Cassel being great when he didn’t start in college). But at the moment, it’s a safer bet to pick a Stafford or Bradford than it is a Tebow.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 7, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just so it is out there
Here is the official stance. The site is owned by SBN and there are no official policies towards swearing. It has been mentioned that it would be better for a site traffic wise and better for the company ad revenue wise if the swearing were kept to a minimum.
I’ve opted for a middle of the road approach. I allow mild swearing. I don’t want to scare people off who can’t handle the swearing however, I understand swearing is part of the language as it is today.
Generally if you drop the F word, I am more often than not going to delete the comment. So long as you avoid that and the swearing is not used in an offensive manor and used to personally attack somebody it will probably slip. Also comment threads that are laced with them are subject to be deleted.
I try to let each reader self police themselves. I’ve only deleted around 5 comments, mainly due to the F word. Thankfully, I have never had to delete a comment due to personal attacks or offensive or degrading content and I think you all for that.
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by Adam T on Jan 8, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Censorship is a touchy subject these days,
And it is absolutely a great idea to allow people to use their own common sense. And maybe it is just a culture thing… my mentality is to keep it clean because we could have children around. As a parent, it would be a shame if I could not allow my child to be an active member of a Chicago Bears blog because of adult content. But as a parent, I also realise that is my job. It would just suck that a blog like this would fall into that category… this is not an adult only website like a lot of sites I don’t allow him to access.
Again, my original comment was just a friendly nudge on the shoulder… just like when dirty Uncle Lou is around for the holidays!
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by Dane Noble on Jan 8, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm... no
You don’t seem to know what logic is.
Your logic is based on an assumption that the failure of previous college QBs at the pro level means Tebow will fail as an NFL QB. Weak assumption leads to faulty logic.
Huh? Not at all. You are the one who stated that because Tebow has good numbers, a heisman, and a national championship that he would be a good QB. We quickly were able to show you how foolish this argument was.
I never said that Tebow would fail because others have failed. But you can go ahead and continue to create straw-man arguments if you would like. It is always easier to argue against something that no one is arguing.
Saying that if Andre Ware, Gino Teretta, Ty Detmer, Jason White, Eric Crouch failed as a NFL QBs, then Tebow will fail is simply not persuasive.
Except I, or others, never said such a thing.
Not accepting what I think is a shoddy argument doesn’t mean I’m ignoring it, hence the replies.
Well, being that it is quite clear that you don’t even understand what the argument is, I guess it would make sense that you would ignore it.
Tell me you don’t like the way he does ________ or __________ thatd be interesting.
Okay… he doesn’t throw very well, which is pretty much a prereq for being a good NFL QB. He is also too short. And he also won’t be able to run in the NFL like he does now. He will get crushed.
I also think the success of the Wildcat offense throughout the league has exposed unathletic QBs as a liability.
Huh? The wildcat offense is a gimmick – it is a gimmick that works, but it is still a gimmick. You will never see a team run the wildcat on a consistent basis in the NFL. Further, just because the wildcat can be successful when used correctly, that means little for unathletic QB’s. Would I rather have an athletic QB than an unathletic QB? Sure, but I would also rather have an unathletic QB who can throw the ball and make good decisions than an athletic QB who can’t throw and/or makes bad decisions.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 7, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok...
so maybe I do have a crystal ball after all because “Okay… he doesn’t throw very well, which is pretty much a prereq for being a good NFL QB. He is also too short. And he also won’t be able to run in the NFL like he does now. He will get crushed.” was predictably the only interesting and relevant part of your response, everything else requires me to teach Logic 101 and basically rewrite me previoe post…
1. “He doesn’t throw well”
I am not Ron Jaworski I don’t know how his arm strength does or will compare to others @ the combine, but its not like he throws like a girl. If u have a specific a play where he underthrew a WR because he simply couldnt make the throw, I would like to know. otherwise you are just regurgitating the opinions of others.
2. He is also too short
a. no he is not a crude yet hilarious rapper
b. this comment illustrates your
absolutism and diminishes credibility.
height is good for a QB, but to saying
anybody below 6’3 cannot play QB is
simply wrong and inappropriate
discrimination against short people.
3. He won’t be able to run in the NFL he will get crushed.
ok… prove it. Easy to say, but this guy is tougher than most players, not just other QBs. It was said that he would get crushed both this year and last, didnt happen.
I’m not even saying he will be better than Stafforf or Bradford, but i doubt either of them will be on the board when we pick at #18. However Tebow is projected to fall close to #18 in several mock drafts (and in many minds out of the fist several rounds)… making him a realistic possiblity…
maybe i can put this into perspective. $, picks, and other positions aside, if u had to pick Tebow or Orton to be the Bears QB of the future who would you take? Kyle is decent and a good captain, but I’d pick Tebow.
by No It All on Jan 8, 2009 7:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what?
You’d pick Tebow over Orton based on what he did in college? C’mon dude, seriously?
by McRipper on Jan 8, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hypothetical game
get into my hypothetical time machine and lets go back to ‘05 draft. Its the fourth round, pick #106. orton and tebow (today’s Tebow) are both on the board… cereally i’d pick Tebow…
back to reality… You’d pick Orton based on what he has done in the pros?
by No It All on Jan 8, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here...
… is what you don’t get.
It is not about Orton vs. Tebow. At all.
Orton sucks. And I expect Tebow to suck (at QB). I may be wrong, but I am not alone in that assessment. Few experts expect Tebow to be a good NFL QB.
But the choice isn’t between Orton and Tebow. It is between Orton, Tebow, Warner, Cassell, McNabb, and about a dozen other college quarterbacks that could be drafted and developed.
And if I wanted to pick a QB for next year, I would pick Orton over Tebow. I wanted a QB for the future, I wouldn’t pick either of them.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 8, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Warner- still playing on a playoff team
Mcnabb- still playing on a playoff team
Cassell- Franchised
If you expect the Bears to make a blockbuster move for McNabb, Cassell, or Warner (FA =big $) keep dreaming.
As far as the dozen other college qbs to be drafted and developed… thats laughable and a little cute that u are confident in JA’s ability to evaluate talent let alone QBs in the later rounds (ie when bradford, stafford, and Tebow) will be gone, let alone develop it…
by No It All on Jan 8, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what does...
… still being on a playoff team have anything to do with what will happen in the off season?
but i guess is has as much to do with the off season as heisman trophies and national championships have to do with NFL success.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 8, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hehe
was predictably the only interesting and relevant part of your response, everything else requires me to teach Logic 101 and basically rewrite me previoe post
I really don’t think that you understand logic. You see, you believe that logical statements are when you pretend that someone else says something, and then argue against it. That it not logic. You ignore the rest of what I said because you know that you are making shit up because you have no argument against what I actually said.
I am not Ron Jaworski I don’t know how his arm strength does or will compare to others @ the combine
First of all, if you don’t know about his arm strength, I am not sure why you are advocating for him so much. Second of all, it isn’t JUST about arm strength. Ask Rex Grossman. The ability to throw the ball in the NFL has to do with a lot more things than just arm strength.
this comment illustrates your absolutism and diminishes credibility. height is good for a QB, but to saying anybody below 6’3 cannot play QB
FWIW, I never said that anybody below 6’3" cannot play QB, did I? I guess you are making up things again. Tebow’s height is just one of things that works against him.
It was said that he would get crushed both this year and last, didnt happen.
If you somehow think that the hits that Tebow will take in the NFL are at all similar to what he has seen in college, I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you in Alaska.
if u had to pick Tebow or Orton to be the Bears QB of the future who would you take
Neither. It is utterly foolish to pretend that there are only two options.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 8, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow is 6' 2"
Is one inch really the difference between whether he will be good or not?
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by Adam T on Jan 8, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no...
But again, I never said anyone under 6’3" couldn’t be a QB.
I simply said him being short was a negative.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 8, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fiction can be fun,
but i find the reference section to be a little more enlightening.
“He is also too short.” that is a direct quote from you bud.
we can parse this statement if you’d like, but the result is not going to miraculously turn into “I simply said him being short was a negative.”
by No It All on Jan 8, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
reluctance
my reluctance to parse is akin to my reluctance to go over basic logic… ie the logical implication(s) of your statement that he is too short, which is what i believe WCG was referring to…
by No It All on Jan 8, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
look...
… you have continually distorted what I and other have said.
It is very clear that it is possible to play QB if you are under 6’3". In fact, I never mentioned anything about 6’3" until you did.
The fact that Tebow is too short is just one of the things that I listed as a reason why I do not believe that he will be a good NFL QB?
Got it? Or is the logic too tough for you.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 8, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that one wasn't directed
at you. More to the statement.
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by Adam T on Jan 8, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is saying for sure, but accolades
are not the reason to draft anyone from college.
Tebow may prove us wrong, but I’d rather be the team grabbing the type of QB that has a high chance of success than the QB with a high chance of failure based on history.
Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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by #23 on Jan 8, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To add my 2 cents, since I was asked to:
Winning awards in college does not directly translate one way or the other into the pros. But it could possibly identify skill sets that could carry over into the NFL. Winning nat’l championships on the other hand, or any big games for that matter, could potentially show leadership ability and somewhat the mental fortitude of a college QB. Skill set aside, you need a QB who can not only make plays, but also manage games, not turn the ball over, be a solid leader that players respond to, and earn the trust of the coaches. Those are things that are greatly sought after by the pro clubs… and that can be identified whilst in college.
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by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BIG AND NO IT ALL
Continue your argument here.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 8, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
continue? I won this argument like a week ago… Tebow has already established that he is the best QB in Bears history and 2nd overall only to Ditka (If he hasn’t done so on his own, i did it with my superior logic)
Lebowski how u gonna say I distorted what you said when i quoted you directly? If anything i may not be “distorting” what you are saying enough, interpreting your exact words and not contemplating what you think you might have been conveying at the time.
by No It All on Jan 8, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lets see...
You continue to say that I and others have said that Tebow will not be good because of this numbers and heisman. And no one has said such a thing.
You said that I argued that no one under 6’3" can be a good qb. No one said such a thing.
You said that we argued that if previous players had failed, that Tebow would fail. No one said such a thing.
You said that we argued, or implied, that Heisman’s and National Championships = bad pro. And no one said such a thing.
But sure… you didn’t distort anything.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 8, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i like to dream about Tebow
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by Hester18 on Jan 3, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rushing qb in the nfl?
sounds like a great plan.
by mike b on Jan 4, 2009 8:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I bet Eric Crouch has a spot
on whatever bench he is playing on all warmed up for Tebow.
And yes I may have butchered that name, but wasn’t in the mood to look it up at this time of night.
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by Adam T on Jan 5, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Olson
I predict the next tackle Greg Olson breaks will be his first.
by garsky on Jan 5, 2009 2:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WoW
Well all of your predictions sound like fantasies.
We will be in the mix for a few big names, but nothing will come out of it… as always. The only 2 big name acquisitions I can think of in the Angelo era is Wale and Moose. Time for another one? maybe? I am not holding my breath though.
I predict, the Bears do nothing and draft poor Offensive talent, but draft potential pro-bowlers on Defense.
Hmmm…. sounds like the past 5 years.
The Defensive coaches will be shaken up, as they are starting to now, but Captain Idiot will still run the Defense; and Love will be his enabler.
by jeepdays on Jan 6, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute
Take a look at my predictions. I’m dead on, homie.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 6, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I predict
Dusty Dvoracek will be cut, replaced by Harrison (and he will struggle as well)
Vasher stays around for another season
We will not draft a QB
No big trade/free agent signing over the offseason
Another two #2-#3 WR’s are brought in
Surprisingly good draft that fills most holes (on paper)
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by thecoolest on Jan 6, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can see 1-5 happening
If we’re drafting mostly defense, then I’ll give you #6. If we’re drafting mostly offense, there’s no way. We’ve all seen how Angelo and Lovie draft on offense: Not very good.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 6, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's the point
they’re not expected to pull off any sort of good draft. i am one of the biggest supporters of replacing Angelo, but I have a weird feeling that with both of them being on the hot seat, they’ll be able to pull off a good draft this year.
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by thecoolest on Jan 7, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
such a crap shoot
i don’t think thy’re slacking, they’re jsut not getting what they thought they would out of people.
by mike b on Jan 8, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I predict stupid moves all over the place like usual.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 6, 2009 5:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You already win.
Angelo being in Halas Hall is proof of that.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 6, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone read this yet?
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/1363326,CST-SPT-carol06.article
The sheer idiocy of the print journalists in this town continues to amaze me. A team that cut ties with Tank Johnson and Cedric Benson for being bad characters will take a flyer on Vick? And I’m not even saying he doesn’t deserve a chance in the league. But to say he’s a better option than McNabb?
And lets’ not even mention how hypocritical Slezak is. She lambasted the Bears for picking Greg Olsen for……making that stupid rap song. But, if a convicted felon says he’s sorry then he deserves a shot?
I
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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