Jerry Angelo wants Rod Marinelli?

by Subotai on Dec 30, 2008 1:16 PM CST Comment 53 comments

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Rod Marinelli would be a huge upgrade over Bob Babich and early signs are pointing towards this likely becoming reality.

Marinelli is free now, fired Monday after his Detroit Lions became the first team in NFL history to go belly up at 0-16. Smith declined to discuss the issue in any kind of depth Monday but Marinelli's agent Frank Bauer told the Sun-Times: ``It would make a lot of sense.''

Angelo seems to agree. He echoed Bauer's thoughts and made it clear he wants Marinelli on board. Whether he would come at the expense of current defensive coordinator Bob Babich, no one knows. Angelo wasn't glowing in his assessment of the defense, and line coach Brick Haley is expected to come under fire.

"I think the world of Rod Marinelli,'' Angelo said. ``I would love to have Rod Marinelli on our staff and I think Lovie would say the same thing. He's a great football coach. Anytime you get a chance to get a great coach or great player, you're not going to sit here and say that you wouldn't consider him or you wouldn't work a way to do that. But again, that's premature, the answer to your question about Rod because I do know Rod. I think Rod is a very good coach and he'll be a great addition to any staff.''

WCG says that having Marinelli on board in any capacity is a good thing. If he comes on in some sort of quality assurance role, defensive coordinator or a position coach. Marinelli was Lovie Smith's original choice for the defensive coordinator back when he took the reigns.

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Even if it wasn’t at the expense of Babich, it means that Babich is on a short lease and could be easily replaced.

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by Adam T on Dec 30, 2008 1:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'd like Marinelli as well

do i think he should be a head coach or even coordinator, no, but i like his attitude and i like the way he never made excuses or threw his players under the bus when he could have at any time.

by lopey986 on Dec 30, 2008 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'd want Mangini or Crennel....

we need some diversity and creative schemes on our D. Could you imagine T Jackson having to deal with a Patriot-esque defensive scheme?! He would shart himself!

by escolio on Dec 30, 2008 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

depends on romeo's role in NE

he was the DC, but how much of a role did bellicheck play? i think he’s got to be considered no matter what, but if he wasn’t the real architect of what NE did those years, i think i might prefer marinelli. if he had a big role, i think he’s the best pick. those pats teams regularly lost players to injuries or FA on defense, yet kept dominating teams. that’s a sign of great coaching, which is something we sorely need around here. plus, they didn’t run the tampa 2, which i don’t think we have the personnel to do right anymore.

by guy incognito on Dec 30, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

Neither of those guys brought patriot-esque defenses to their new clubs. They were pretty solid for their personnel tho I think(not super familiar with them). Interesting to see what any of them could do here.

Having some differences in philosophies would be a big plus actually, if they could turn it into a cohesive product on the field.

Wonder if Marinelli would accept D-line coach?

by reprisal on Dec 30, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rod

I’m pro-Marinelli, but he hasn’t been a coordinator since he did it for a high school in the 70’s. And we saw what happened with the Lions when he stepped into a role he’d never done before. I’d prefer him as a D-Line coach.

by tacologic on Dec 30, 2008 3:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I abhor the "never done it before" line

By that logic, no one would ever get promoted.

Besides, going from position coach to coordinator (or HC to DC, as it would be) is leagues different than going from position coach to head coach.

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by torch on Dec 31, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He went from...

D-Line & Assistant Head Coach… to Head Coach… to 0-16.

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by SackMan on Dec 31, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, when you put it THAT way...

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by Dane Noble on Dec 31, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's not forget who he is coaching

The lions have had a winning record only twice in the last 12 seasons.
It isn’t like he lost with a pro-bowl team…

--Torch

by torch on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And...

The Lions have had a winless record only ONCE in their entire history. In fact, they became the ONLY team in NFL history to go 0-16.

Quite an achievement.

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by SackMan on Dec 31, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That roster sucked!!!!

They really only had Calvin Johnson who had any real talent. Their QB’s were horrendous, their line was poor, Kevin Smith is not an every down runner, they had Rudy Johnson who is over the hill backing him up, they had no one on defense and they competed till the end of every game this year.

I don’t know if another coach could have managed a couple of wins, but that team played to the very end of the game all year and that says something. A lot of teams wouldn’t be fighting. If he can bring that to our defense, I’ll be happy. They seem to fall asleep for a quarter or two.

Also, I would take Lovie Smith any day to be a DC. The guy was an amazing DC. Now would I take him to be head coach any day, no, I’d rather have Cowher or Parcells, but as DC I’d take him. Head coach is not a sign of what you would be as a coordinator. They are different jobs. Being the boss and being supervised are different. I can’t say that Marinelli would be a good DC for sure, but would he be an upgrade over Babich. I’m saying Babich is a 2 and Marinelli is at least a 5 maybe as high as an 8.

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by #23 on Dec 31, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

That roster was not much different than the one he had in 2007

When they started out 6-2… and lost 7 out of their last 8 games to finish 7-9.

So, for the record, he’s actually lost 23 out of his last 24 games. Epic. Just flat out epic.

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by SackMan on Dec 31, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They had:

Martz OC
Kitna QB
Williams WR
Rodgers DT

That is a pretty big deal. If Kitna was in there, they would have won some games. If Martz runs the offense they would have won a couple more.

But you are so right 23-24 is epic. Wow, I forgot about that. I’m open minded though. Coordinating is a different job then head coaching. Way less responsibility. Way more focused. Run the D the way your ask, but make suggestions. It’s a big job, but nothing like head coaching.

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by #23 on Dec 31, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

Put Bill Walsh with roster, what do you get? 4, maybe 5 wins?

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by torch on Dec 31, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I thin Marinelli knows his football,

but does his philosophy differ in any way to Lovie’s? Don’t they both come from the Tony Dungy/Monty Kiffin school of Cover2? What good does it do for us to bring in another yes man? If he has any specialty that I am not aware of then let me know, because he couldn’t take a line that had a real good player in Sean Rogers and do anything good with it, so what makes anyone think he can take a line with two aging but decent defensive ends, one talented but gimpy three technique tackle and one big question mark at the nose and do something significant with it. I am stressing the line because I heard Mike Mulligan talking about how he would make for a great defensive line coach and because Brick haley might be fired.

by dakoose on Dec 30, 2008 3:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

A line is more than just one good player

And Rodgers didn’t seem to do that badly. I assume he’d do better with some actual talent on the line.

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by rea5661 on Dec 30, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he being marinelli

"I don't know, I think the Bears should just defer so they don't have to put their offense out there to start" -Tony Kornhesier

by rea5661 on Dec 30, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

reactions about this d this year:

1.) How in the hell can you take a guy like d manning who is excelling at the nickel and in week 17 move him to strong saftey. So you’re admitting you dont have a trustworthy backup for Brown and your willing to risk putting a guy in a position he hasnt played all year with the season on the line…..great coaching….

2.) The defenses performance on sunday was a microcosm of this season. Get off to a decent start, sit back on your heels and watch people catch up and then pass you.

3.) So Dusty D is the perfect compliment to Tommie Harris…. Anthony Adams made the staff look pretty stupid, almost as stupid as when Mark Anderson was vaulted in the RE position, generating as many sacks as I did in 07.

4.) I know he will be fired because well he deserves it, but what credibility does Lovie have if he fires Babich. The Rivera-Babich debate will have a clear answer without any fan or media asking a question. And seeing how the chargers have taken off since promoting RR, you’ve got to wonder how many more chances Lovie has to get this right.

5.) And the Rod Marninelli thing sounds great in theory, but so did Babich according to Lovie, and Im awfully hesitant to go down this road again. I rather see Lloyd Lee get a shot, than another buddy of Lovie coming in. We get it Lovie, you have friends in this league, that doesnt mean you have to hire them all.

by rahulsriram on Dec 30, 2008 4:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Two things

1) I never was a fan of Babich, and maybe I was just really tentative, but I did not trust Babich when he was hired. He had a HORRIBLE track record.

2) The real question is: What credibility does Lovie have if he DOESN’T fire Babich?

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by ChiFan13 on Dec 30, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Lovie already has no cred in my book.

He didn’t do ANYTHING to get the players back in the game this week at halftime. He thought that they didn’t need any pep talks because of the whole “Week 17, have-to-win-to-keep-playing thing.” Same reason why Wade Phillips and Co. need to be fired in Dallas. Shanahan, Marinaelli, and Crennel deserved their pink slips, too. At least Mangini got his players up for their game.

I mentioned Marinelli above, but I am still for hiring him as a DCoor. He isn’t a good player manager, but he’s a good coach. He deserves a chance at DCoor, which he never got after being chosen for Detroit’s HC after several years as a DLine Coach and Asst. HC in Tampa. BUT, I would rather try to lure Ron Rivera back.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 30, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

At the same time

Why is it his responsibility? If the players can’t get themselves up TO GO TO THE PLAYOFFS, you think an Eeyore-esque Lovie would?

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by ChiFan13 on Dec 30, 2008 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

Maybe they were having trouble with the scenario not being entirely Bears-controlled. But Lovie should’ve given a pep talk of some sort.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he does want Marinelli,

But Shanahan just got CANNED IN DEVER!

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/12/30/broncos-fire-long-time-coach-shanahan/

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by Dane Noble on Dec 30, 2008 4:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

And Martz is out in SF....

Just sayin…

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by Dane Noble on Dec 30, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

FIRE LOVIE!!!

AND TURNER!!!

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 30, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

AND BABICH!!!

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 30, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so...

Shanahan for head coach.
Martz for OC.
Marinelli for DC.

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by big_lowitzki on Dec 30, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd take that

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by rea5661 on Dec 30, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you wouldn't bring in

Martz with Shanahan….

Shanahan has his own offensive scheme and would want his own guy.

plus Martz is way too pass-happy and seemingly difficult to get along with…

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by thecubreporter on Dec 30, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep. +1

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 30, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd say Shan for HC, (running machine)

Martz as OC (passing machine) and Lovie as DC (I like the guy, why not?)

Just thinking about that set-up make my head asplode.

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by Dane Noble on Dec 30, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Lovie isn't tough enough.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 30, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you know him huh?

by mike b on Dec 31, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

at least with Shanahan

you know we’d have a good O-line and running game…

just take away the defense from him….

we can demote Lovie to DC, he was good at that once. :)

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by thecubreporter on Dec 30, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For a team that is desperate for an offensive gameplan

This is like the stars aligning, right?

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Dec 30, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We won't get Shanahan as an OC...

He’s a head coach and won’t downgrade. Marinelli had such a bad season with Detroit that he’ll be forced to downgrade to a coordinator position. Martz is too pass happy, this team is built to run the ball. If we can get some offensive playmakers, then I’m all for Martz, but that’s gonna be a tough task this offseason.

by aznsensation on Dec 30, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, c'mon...

We didn’t make the playoffs (playoffs?!) so let us play in this fairy tale world of super-coaches for a while. So what if it ain’t realistic, and so what if it would cost eleventy billion dollars to sign all these fellers…

All jokes aside though, you can bet JA is keeping an eye on all of these oustings this year… and not just on the defensive side of the ball. As much as I hate to say it, I am not so sure how secure Lovie’s job is if the right guy (Cowher, Shanahan, et al) comes along. Then again, a high-profile guy would most likely want all personnel control, and JA ain’t gonna let that happen, so now I have typed myself in a complete circle.

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by Dane Noble on Dec 30, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking fire Lovie

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Dec 31, 2008 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Defensive line coach = Yes.

Defensive Coordinator = No.

He’s never been a DC before… and his first stint as a HC was… well… historically bad to say the least.

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by SackMan on Dec 30, 2008 7:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

As long as we're fantasizing

Hire Cowher as Head Coach – ain’t gonna happen, but fun to think about.

by Waylon on Dec 30, 2008 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I wonder what Angelo thinks about Ron Turner?

His lack of a strong endorsement about Orton was quite telling after Turner publically just basically handed him the job the day before. I wonder if both cordinators are (rightfully) going to get canned? The question is who would replace Turner, I think Jeremy Bates, of the Broncos or Kevin Wilson, the OC of Oklahoma would be my top picks. Wilson does run a “pro-style” type offense at OU, so he is not a gimcky type guy like Urban Meyer.

by Devin47 on Dec 30, 2008 9:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I bet Ron Turner would appear to be doing a much better job...

If he had a real QB.

You know… instead of Jim Harbaugh, Peter Tom Willis, Steve Walsh, Erik Kramer, Rick Mirer, Dave Krieg, Shane Matthews, Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman, and Brian Griese.

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by SackMan on Dec 30, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, the Dragon is a REAL QB.

He just doesn’t have a receiver who can run routes deep enough for his golden arm. DUH!

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 30, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Erik Kramer

did have one of the best QB season’s in Bears history under Turner.
Just too bad it was only one season…

--Torch

by torch on Dec 31, 2008 8:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this:

26-3, BABY! Who runs a “gimcky [sic] type” offense now? And Meyer doesn’t run the offense, Mullen does/did. Oklahoma runs a spread offense too, btw.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 30, 2008 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

better question

is who gives a shit.

by mike b on Dec 31, 2008 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Somebody needs a hug?

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by #23 on Dec 31, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Umm... roughly a third of America.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So do the Patroits and whatever team McDaniels coaches next season

The difference bewteen OU and most college spread offenses is that they have a pretty balanced run/pass offense. I think Wilson would be successful in the NFL.

by Devin47 on Jan 1, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

pandora

Started off wanting to right about Marinelli, till i realized the whole coaching staff blows. Out of some warped sense of loyalty i didn’t really want to see it… We lost many close games that we should have won. Understatement this team was a huge let down.

Given the Bears offensive futility, umm always (specifically 4th and goal from the 1 tho), Turner should be on the hot seat.

Bears are a very talented defensive team. The D simply disappeared curing crucial moments this season. That is on the Defensive coaches and Lovie. They have never defended the pass well and any success they have had in that regard is due to pressure on the QB, not good/adequate coverage of increasingly more talented NFL receivers. (Maybe it is because Bears CBs have never faced a talented WR in practice).

by No It All on Jan 2, 2009 11:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

The Players need to look themselves in the face

The AP penalty and the Tillman Penalty were super costly in games. Not coaching errors.
Orton throwing 3 picks against GB not coaching errors, maybe GM error for not getting a QB but not a coaching error.
The defensive line not pressuring QB’s all season, is not a coaching problem, but a player problem.
Hillenmeier getting beat all day against Tampa Bay, not a coaching problem.

I will say the squib kick in Atlanta was a coaching error, but Mike Brown and the CB we got from Tampa, was it Hamilton?, not sure, giving up the play was a player problem. Could we have ran a different play? Yeah, but the players have to execute and they did not.

I don’t think our coaching staff was great, but our players did not perform this year. They did not beat their man one on one. Coaches coach and players play. I think Urlacher’s, Ogunleye, Harris and Browns diminishing ability hurt us. We could no longer pressure the QB or cover the deep middle or fight off blocks. That lead to a soft secondary that had Tillman playing hurt all year and Vasher had to go on IR.

Babich does need to go though. Maybe Lovie, but at the risk of having Jauron or Wandstedt again, I’ll give Lovie another shot. We are basically fighting for a playoff spot each season which is better than some teams.

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by #23 on Jan 2, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs