Jerry Angelo Comes Out Firing
Usually at this point we are mired in Lovie Speak and another round of Jerry Angelo telling us how close we are. Then Free Agency rolls around and we do nothing until all the big names are off the market, then we may dip our toes in.
After yesterday's press conference we heard from a different JA than we are used to. Both Coach Smith and OC Ron Turner have endorsed Kyle Orton as next year's QB, but Angelo wasn't so quick to follow suit.
"I know that there's going to be a lot of talk about our No. 1 receiver [but] guys, it starts with the quarterback," Angelo said. "We have to get the quarterback position stabilized. And we're fixated on that."
It would be nice to think that JA would go after a big name. Could Donovan McNabb be gotten at a price that doesn't cripple our future drafts or our salary cap? Could Carson Palmer be wrangled out of Cincy? Would the Bears enter a bidding war for Matt Cassel's services? They answer is likely no to all of these which leaves us with the second tier guys.
More realistically, Angelo's newfound commitment to quarterback competition opened the door to a mid-level veteran free agent with starting experience such as Chris Simms or J.P. Losman or a first- or second-round draft choice such as Nate Davis of Ball State.

The possible real good from Angelo and Ron Turner not seeing eye to eye could lead to more change. Could the disagreement lead to Turner being let go? One can only hope.
Angelo didn't stop on the offensive side of the ball either. He was none to happy with their performance and did not give Bob Babich an endorsement. With recent talks that Angelo would like to hire Rod Marinelli in some capacity, could the Bears be replacing both coordinators?
Continuing his trend of not endorsing anybody, Angelo then leveled his sites on the players and shot one across their bows.
"I'm not hesitant to cut anybody," Angelo said.
Most think this is mostly aimed at players like Nathan Vasher and Adewale Ogunleye, both high ticket players who haven't been living up to billing.
Do Bears fans actually have a reason to be excited about this off season? Two new coordinators? Serious run at a franchise QB? No more player coddiling?
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Hm, title is a bit misleading
I was expecting to see “Babich fired, turner fired, everyone else fired.”
Have to say I was a little disappointed.
by Arbusto on
Dec 31, 2008 7:58 AM CST
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hah me too!
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by Chanman25 on
Dec 31, 2008 10:29 AM CST
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Just setting us up for disappointment
This just means that they won’t make a run at any of the really good FA’s available at other positions. I’m fine with JA making a move for a vetern QB to compete with Orton, but, if we go into next season and the only addition to the offense are a bunch of rookies and JP Losman then I’m going to fully commit to the Indian and start watching hockey instead of football. In the end it doesn’t really matter who is playing QB (unless you can get a premeir QB) because at the end of the day, he is still going to be throwing the ball to Rasheed Davis and some other people who just aren’t good.
by PVL on
Dec 31, 2008 8:32 AM CST
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Sounds Promising
I hope he (JA) stays with it. He does have a decent place to start from offense with RB and 3rd REC but needs QB and 2 REC’s.
by Paytonplace on
Dec 31, 2008 8:54 AM CST
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I’m going to go ahead and feel sorry for you guys in advance if you sign J.P. Losman as part of a goal of QB competition. Kyle Orton would wipe the floor with Losman in a competition like that, and you’d have a pouty, turnover-happy reserve for it. Cross your fingers, Bears fans…
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 31, 2008 9:00 AM CST
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I watched Losman's performance in the Bills-Jets game not too long ago
I was laughing out loud at how bad he sucked. Pathetic.
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by SackMan on
Dec 31, 2008 9:06 AM CST
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Yay for being a Bills fan!
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 31, 2008 9:08 AM CST
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you don't get to cheer alone
you have looked at the list of QBs we have started over the lasted 15 years, right?
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by WCG on
Dec 31, 2008 9:10 AM CST
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Yep. But, to top it off...
He has Dick Moron coaching his team for another year…
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Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on
Dec 31, 2008 9:12 AM CST
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Funny how Jauron
has managed to get to big term extensions.
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by WCG on
Dec 31, 2008 11:44 AM CST
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It’s reportedly 3 years in Buffalo, but he’s got 2009 to make the playoffs in Buffalo (an incredibly tall order) or he’s gone.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 31, 2008 1:00 PM CST
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Haha, I’m aware. Honestly, I think the Bills’ list – which includes Todd Collins, Rob Johnson, Alex Van Pelt, Billy Joe Hobert, Drew Bledsoe, J.P. Losman and Kelly Holcomb – is the only list that compares favorably with your Bears’. But I still think yours is worse. :)
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 31, 2008 1:02 PM CST
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Two Words: Kordell Stewart
We win.
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by WCG on
Dec 31, 2008 1:44 PM CST
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Ouch.
Just for making me read that name… I give you this: Henry Burris.
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by SackMan on
Dec 31, 2008 1:49 PM CST
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I'll beat both of you
Chad Hutchinson. Remember, Lovie uttered the magical words: “Chad Hutchinson is our quarterback.”
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by ChiFan13 on
Dec 31, 2008 2:09 PM CST
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Yards, TDs, INT for some recent QBs
KS – 1418 7 12
HB – 207 3 5
CH- 903 4 3
MM – 166 1 0
SS- 1252 4 6
PTW- 716 4 8
This was PTWs last season. Those numbers are for 9 games.
Do we really need to argue this? We win.
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by WCG on
Dec 31, 2008 2:52 PM CST
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I had Lynch and Evans on my fantasy team and they killed me down the stretch.
I still finished 3rd, but could have had 35 points from Antonio Bryant who was on the bench while Evans scored 2 points.
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Dec 31, 2008 11:30 AM CST
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Lee Evans has been killing fantasy teams for years!
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 31, 2008 1:00 PM CST
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Losman is Grossman - Lite
Terrible is not too strong a word for that guy – why not bring back Peter Tom Willis while we’re at it, or maybe McNown. And I don’t understand the continuing fascination with McNabb – yeah, he’s great when healthy, but he looks about two weeks past his selll – by date at this point.
by Waylon on
Dec 31, 2008 9:56 AM CST
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He looked pretty awesome last week.
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by #23 on
Dec 31, 2008 11:31 AM CST
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yeah
60% completion rate…again, over 3000 yards…again (just missed 4000)… and I believe a QB rating over 100 the last 5 weeks.
clearly on a downward spiral…
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by thecubreporter on
Dec 31, 2008 2:19 PM CST
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So, the question is:
Will Jerry Angelo go out and bring in another mid-tier P-O-S QB like Simms or Losman to compete (and lose) against Orton?
Or, will he finally grow a sack… be bold… and make a deal for a real QB (McNabb, Palmer, Hasselback) or even experiment with Vince Young?
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by SackMan on
Dec 31, 2008 10:20 AM CST
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Vince Young - no thank you
That guy is too sensitive to play in a town like Chicago that would tear him to pieces. Dude can’t survive Tennessee criticism, no way he would survive in Chicago, especially after how we treated Grossman
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Dec 31, 2008 10:30 AM CST
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The dude's got talent.
Maybe a fresh start, and coming in as a back-up with less pressure instead of the #3 overall pick can make a difference?
It’s sure a GREAT “buy-low” situation right now.
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by SackMan on
Dec 31, 2008 10:39 AM CST
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Kind of agree as a Texas fan
We won’t be able to get our hands on him, but I’d love to.
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by ChiFan13 on
Dec 31, 2008 2:12 PM CST
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Martz?
Since he just got let go from the 49ers and obviously is very familiar with Lovie, could he be a fit? He always puts a lot of points on the board for whatever team he’s with (even Detroit) and could probably do even more with Forte.
by tacologic on
Dec 31, 2008 10:25 AM CST
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There's a reason Martz keeps getting kicked around...
Unless he has Pro-Bowl LT, a Pro-Bowl QB, a Pro-Bowl RB, and two Pro-Bowl WRs… he can’t get any results.
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by SackMan on
Dec 31, 2008 10:36 AM CST
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when he went from the lions to the niners...
the lions offense dropped off like 100 points and the niners gained 100 points. jus sayin’.
by Hatchetm on
Dec 31, 2008 10:44 AM CST
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Ooh a 100 points
How much more did they give up from turnovers?
Unless you have Marshall Faulk & Kurt Warner & the 1999 Rams,, Martz’s system isn’t gonna really work.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 31, 2008 2:34 PM CST
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you don' think
7.5 pts a game is pretty damn significant in the NFL? (219 pts to 339)
49ers were dead last in yards and pts by a signifcant margin in 2007
23rd in yards, 22nd in points
I believe the only addition was Isaac Bruce.
They had one more giveaway in 2008.
Lions:
2007 19th in yrds (5166), 16th in pts (346)
2008 30th in yrds(4292) , 27th in pts (268)
when he joined the Lions
2005: 27th in yards , 28th in pts (254)
2006 22nd in yards, 21st in pts (305)
some of those might be defensive pts, but you get the picture.
Football Outsiders has 49ers as 27th in offense in 2008, Lions 28th
in 2007, 49ers were 32nd, Lions 20th…
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by thecubreporter on
Dec 31, 2008 3:29 PM CST
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I wonder about his eye for talent.
If he were to be brought in th Chicago, how much would he be able to pull out of the draft and FAQ? Sure, we don’t have the talent right now to install a Martz Offense, but would he and Jerry see eye to eye on assembling that talent?
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by GeauxBears on
Dec 31, 2008 10:47 AM CST
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Lol...
The draft and FA… not sure how I pulle a FAQ out of my arse…
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by GeauxBears on
Dec 31, 2008 10:48 AM CST
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Martz = Crushed QB
Every QB that plays in Martz’s system takes way too much abuse. Unless you have a stellar line Martz is bad for a team.
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by WCG on
Dec 31, 2008 11:46 AM CST
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didn't the Niners
go from a historically pathetic offense to at least a reasonable one?
and the Lions were hardly full of talent…
he can score points for you regardless of the talent (to a degree of course), he’s just way too pass-happy in general and reportedly pretty difficult to get along with…
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by thecubreporter on
Dec 31, 2008 2:21 PM CST
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Lovie would not want Martz.
Lovie wants to have a conservative offense that moves the chains and throws when we need to. He wants a defense that cause turnovers, score, and shut teams down, and a special teams unit near the top of the league.
Mike Martz has a very confusing offense, that focuses on the pass. It is aggressive. You can’t change a man from who he is. Martz would do better in Cincy or Arizona or Denver.
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by #23 on
Dec 31, 2008 11:36 AM CST
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that all makes sense, but
Lovie and Martz are buds. which could override all logic.
by Hatchetm on
Dec 31, 2008 11:45 AM CST
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I was in St. Louis during the greatest show on Turf and followed the Rams
Lovie didn’t seem that close to Martz. Maybe they are buds, but it didn’t look that way. Lovie did a great job making average guys look like a good defense and Martz had his ST’s and Offense turning the ball over left and right. Turnovers hurt your defense. I could be wrong, but they were seemed distant.
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by #23 on
Dec 31, 2008 12:05 PM CST
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i heard this on the radio over the past couple of days...
can’t remember by who…maybe Hub. apparently martz called angelo and made a huge push for him to get the bears job. maybe he just wanted to get rid of him.
by Hatchetm on
Dec 31, 2008 12:18 PM CST
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Well... we'll never know the truth
However, I can speculate this: one of the main reasons Lovie wanted an offense like Martz’s, is because if your offense jumps out to a 2 or 3 score lead, your defensive line can pin their ears back and rush the passer without much concern for the run game… thus forcing turnovers in the passing game.
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by SackMan on
Dec 31, 2008 12:46 PM CST
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Lovie wanted someone like Martz when he first got to Chicago...
He hired Terry Shea to bring in a hybrid of Kansas City/St. Louis/Vermeil greatest show on turf offense.
That move worked out real well
We finished dead last (#32 for clarification) in offense that year, and Shea got fired and replaced by Ron Turner.
Now Lovie has a completely different tune… it sounds something like this, “We get off the bus running.”
But… yet… oddly enough… we only have one real RB, and a crappy offensive line. Go figure.
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by SackMan on
Dec 31, 2008 11:58 AM CST
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Another terrible mistake by Angelo
Is Jerry Angelo really that stupid? He has a bad habit of demoralizing this team by taking away players who are leaders in the locker room and instead replacing them with guys who could be more talented, but are universally hated. Thomas Jones was a leader among the team, and the Bears traded him away so their prima donna Cedric Benson would stop having fits in the locker room. That obviously worked well as he led the Bears to one of the worst rushing averages among any team last year, and ended up getting cut for failing to stay out of trouble. Now neither of those two runningbacks is on our team, and I bet you can’t guess which one still keeps in touch with the team and which one doesn’t.
Now the Bears have a guy in Kyle Orton who is both talented and a hard worker. He’s a leader among his teammates, as evidenced by overwhelming support from his team to keep him the starter next year. I think Jerry Angelo is making a huge mistake at the same level as the Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones debacle, and risks demoralizing the team by substituting a team leader for someone who might not even play any better under this system. The reality is that there aren’t many quarterbacks who would do well with the options provided by the Bears. Besides the tight ends (who are phenomenal in my opinion), Orton didn’t have many reliable options. There’s old, washed up Marty Booker who drops more passes than he catches, Brandon Lloyd who can’t stay healthy, the cornerback-to-wide receiver experiments in Rasheed Davis and Devin Hester, and a third round rookie who had one ball thrown his way all season. There’s a reason Forte caught more balls than all the Bears wide receivers put together, because he’s a far more reliable option than the wide receivers. How many quarterbacks are going to thrive under those conditions? Certainly not Matt Cassel, who was surrounded by three pro-bowl caliber wide receivers in New England. Angelo should keep a team leader in place, and instead give Orton the weapons to thrive. Bring in T.J. Houshmandzadeh as the major free agent acquisition in the off-season, and continue drafting replacements for our aging offensive line. Angelo’s incompetence was clearly shown when he got rid of Thomas Jones, and if he makes the same mistake by wasting money on bringing in a quarterback who will suffer in the Bears’ shoddy offensive system, he should just be fired.
by dkguy55 on
Dec 31, 2008 12:45 PM CST
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Just to be clear on the Thomas Jones thing...
Thomas Jones WANTED OUT of Chicago!
He quietly had talks with Angelo during the Super Bowl season and handled it in a very professional manner, instead of being that “bad guy” that tells the media he wants to be traded.
The Bears spent the #4 overall pick on Benson, and invested a lot of money in him. And, to be honest, in ‘05 and ’06 he showed flashes of potential stardom. They weren’t going to be able to give Thomas Jones the new contract extension that he wanted in the offseason (likely the final big signing bonus of his NFL career). So, they did Jones a HUGE favor and traded him to the Jets, so he could sign a new deal.
Did it work out well for the Bears? Not really. Did they do the right thing considering the circumstances? Yes.
Understood?
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In Response
It wouldn’t have even been an issue if the Bears took responsibility for their drama queen in Cedric Benson. He was a team distraction from day one, but the Bears moddy-coddled their fourth overall pick simply because he was their fourth overall pick.
My point was that there’s more to this than natural talent, which Angelo has quite often put sole emphasis on over leadership. The Cowboys are a perfect example of what happens when talent is prioritized at the expense of being a team player. I think the Bears had that same mindset when they allowed Benson to be a team distraction, because he could have possibly been a talented player. But, as we saw after his attitude drove Cedric Benson away, he couldn’t handle the difficult lows that can appear, and couldn’t hack it as our runningback.
Orton isn’t as naturally-talented as a quarterback like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady (or even Rex Grossman), but he brings to the Bears leadership quality and work ethic that we didn’t see in Grossman (or even Benson for that matter). Angelo too often places much more emphasis on natural talent than leadership, and it resulted in Jones leaving the team, and I think will ultimately drive the kind of quarterback we need away. Where will that leave us? Simply put, it’ll leave us with another talented quarterback like Rex Grossman who simply can’t thrive in this shoddy offensive system. Focus on a quality wide receiver, not a major free agent acquisition of a quarterback. Let’s see what Orton can do when we actually give him the tools to succeed.
by dkguy55 on
Dec 31, 2008 1:10 PM CST
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Nobody liked Benson from the start...
But, the Bears made the mistake of drafting him (when they already had a competent RB), and made the mistake of paying him a $17 mil signing bonus after his holdout.
So, they had to try to get the most out of that investment before dumping him.
Thomas Jones wanted a new contract with a big signing bonus (he got $12 mil guaranteed on a 4 year $20 mil contract from the Jets).
You can’t give $29 mil in signing bonuses to your two RBs and have a balanced payroll.
As for Orton… they want competition… and why the heck not? Competition is a good thing.
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by SackMan on
Dec 31, 2008 1:22 PM CST
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the problem with drafting benson
is that you should almost NEVER draft a RB in the top 7. picks that high should be for OT, DT, DE, or QBs. there are obviously exceptions, but you can almost always get a decent RB in the 2nd/3rd round. of course, that wasn’t the best draft class, period (alex smith went #1, for crying out loud), but still, i think the bears messed that one up pretty badly.
by guy incognito on
Dec 31, 2008 1:29 PM CST
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Too bad Angelo didn't choose that year to trade down.
But then again, my philosophy is to trade 1st round picks for proven stud players that want new contracts = same money, practically bust-proof.
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by SackMan on
Dec 31, 2008 1:36 PM CST
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If he wants to have a real QB competition, I hope he drafts someone
I’d rather have a rookie making rookie mistakes then a guy like Losman making rookie mistakes.
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Dec 31, 2008 2:36 PM CST
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I might be late on this thread, but I really want to see the bears get a “Big Tackle” to replace Dusty, when he leaves. Dusty has been a bust and i hope he has a good career just somewhere else. he has shown he is not a dependable guy on the field. The bears need at least 1 300+ dt to take the pressure off the rest of the line defending the run. if the bears have to place 8 guys in the box to stop the run. your d line needs an overhaul. a big dt will allow lance and Brian to be better and might allow the ends some freedom to get to the qb better.
by Bears-Bullsfan on
Jan 1, 2009 11:58 AM CST
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Angelo...the source of lack of accountability
"I was expecting to see "Babich fired, turner fired, everyone else fired."
Well said!!!
When is Angelo going to take responsibility for the crap we have apparently coaching the players. The players can be blamed only so much…no matter who we put on the field, the result is more or less the same…a middle-of-the-pack team that is always satisfied with a 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 result…no moral victories here!!! tired of garbage on and off the field, but at some point, Angelo has to step up and take some responsibility for the decisions that have led to this slide since 2006.
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