The 49ers Need To Man Up!
As I am sure all of you remember, the 49ers recently lost a 5th round draft pick and swapped third rounders with the Chicago Bears when NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell ruled in our favor on a tampering charge over whether the 49ers were in contact with Bears linebacker Lance Briggs while he was under contract with us.
Apparently, the guys over at SB's Niners blog have been reading and buying into what PFT has been selling lately. Believing some conspiracy exists and that Goodell might have had his mind made up prior to the hearing and wanted to use the 49ers as an example. That is all well and good and might even be true, but instead of taking their venom out on the league they have decided to be all piss and vinegar towards the Bears and have created a new Chicago logo dubbing us the Chicago Stoolies.
I understand that over the last 5 years the 49ers record is 25-55 and they might think that breaking league rules is the way to fix that, but perhaps you should right your own ship and stop worrying about what everybody else is doing.
So in retaliation the 49ers no longer exist, only the San Francisco Crybabies. So I say to them put on your dresses and let us play some football.

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they're just bitter
by thecoolest on
Mar 28, 2008 1:30 PM CDT
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They are also bitter
by Chad on
Mar 28, 2008 1:39 PM CDT
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theyre prolly just jealous
by Jbasic89 on
Mar 28, 2008 1:42 PM CDT
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boo f'n hoo
by jrm78 on
Mar 28, 2008 2:11 PM CDT
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I just posted this
by Chad on
Mar 28, 2008 2:20 PM CDT
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To quote Don Corleone
by Doctor Chicago on
Mar 28, 2008 2:24 PM CDT
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Awesome!
by Chad on
Mar 28, 2008 2:50 PM CDT
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bet you boys
by mike b on
Mar 28, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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You know
by marcello on
Mar 28, 2008 4:08 PM CDT
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awwww
by mike b on
Mar 28, 2008 4:15 PM CDT
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is he trying to tell us
by Jbasic89 on
Mar 29, 2008 12:28 AM CDT
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the niners fans are so lame
by leopoldjones on
Mar 28, 2008 3:04 PM CDT
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Too bad...
by GallopingGhost on
Mar 28, 2008 5:09 PM CDT
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Hey guys
We're not angry about anything because the punishment is OMGHUGE. The punishment is practically nonexistent. We lose a fifth round pick and move down like 5 spots in the third? Big deal. Who cares?
What we're miffed about is two-fold, and it comes from one place: The only evidence that the 49ers tampered with Briggs were two missed phone calls to Drew Rosenhaus. Voicemessages were not left on the phone. Furthermore, Rosenhaus represents multiple players on the 49ers.
You can see how completely, ridiculously, circumstantially unsubstantiable this evidence is. Right?
So like I said, why we're miffed is two-fold. We're miffed 1) at the league for taking this lack of evidence and issuing a punishment on its basis - especially considering the league went out of its way to destroy evidence against the Patriots for taping, and 2) That the Bears took this lack of evidence and whined to the league about it.
So anyway, if we're whining now, you whined first. If we're crybabies now, you were crying like babies first. Because you took a complete non-issue to league like it was a federal offense.
This has nothing to do with the 49er/Bear in game history. None of us care about the Bears as a team, and those of us that do probably like them well enough (an enemy of the Packers is a friend of mine, generally speaking). This has nothing to do with anything but the injustice passed down from the league on our team based on the complaints of your team.
It's a political thing. Not a city thing. Not a team thing. Not a rivalry thing. Your team used crap politics to take advantage of Roger Goodell's power complex, and our team is taking undeserved heat for it.
I think this rotten taste in our mouths is understandable.
I'd also appreciate it if you could try to be more clever than "SF's gay" when you flame us. It's lazy. We've heard it. It's phobic. It's stupid. You can do better than that. I believe in you.
by HowTheyScored on
Mar 28, 2008 5:34 PM CDT
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Lets clarify
If it's a real non-issue then the league would just dismiss it. But the league didn't agree. So if you're pissed, be pissed at that league.
Lastly, for the record, I didn't call anyone gay nor would I. I'm not saying that you accused me of that but I am letting you know that as one of the loudest shit-talking members of this board, I would never stoop to that.
by Chad on
Mar 28, 2008 5:54 PM CDT
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Well
Also, I know I took aim at your "Whine and Cheese" headline over at our site, but I'll say it is a million times better than any gay crack, and I give you all the credit in the world for not personally resorting to those.
by HowTheyScored on
Mar 28, 2008 6:01 PM CDT
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i love to shit talk
We all know that there is a large gay population in San Francisco, but I'm not sure how that makes them any less of fans. I am pretty sure that it makes them better dressers, though! ZING!
by Chad on
Mar 28, 2008 6:15 PM CDT
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who told the bears
or more importantly, what did that same person, who didn't speak about the case, tell the bears before they made the tampering charge?
they have solid evidence of two missed calls (or 2 20 second phone calls, conveniently the same thing in the eyes of sf), that someone, who had easy access to the phone, felt the need to tell the bears about. wonder who has easy access to Drew's phone, or whatever "not solid" evidence (like things said off the record that can't be made public because it would hurt business) this person might have?
The story that you are pushing is that the bears somehow became aware of two missed calls on rosenhaus' phone, knew it was the 49ers, and then complained. Besides improbable, it also doesn't make logistical sense. You think Drew came in one day, flashed the numbers and said "wow guys, the 49ers are calling" and the Bears went from there?
Or is it possible the same guy who fled the scene of a car accident early in the morning, who already had his big mouth open all off season, mentioned his agent was already talking to other teams? The agent was pressed and offered the two missed calls as proof, didn't deny or confirm. Bad for business after all.
The idea that the Bears have two missed calls and NO other information, but some how filed tampering charges that were then held up, is ludicrous. If it makes you feel better to believe that, go ahead. We hear better unconfirmed bullshit than this almost daily.
From your own article:
"But if the Bears truly believed the 49ers were trying to undermine them during the season to get a head start on acquiring Briggs through free agency, you can't blame them for being upset."
"When this stuff happens during the season, it has the potential to create problems in the locker room and, conceivably, the outcome of games could be affected."
by mike b on
Mar 29, 2008 12:08 AM CDT
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Well
Other than trade talks that went nowhere, I'm not sure what the Bears had to worry about from the Niners. Also quoted from the articles I pointed to:
"Why would the 49ers want to pay a ton of money to somebody who essentially plays the same position as Patrick Willis? And, certainly, why would they break the rules to expedite the process of over-paying somebody who would throw the club's entire salary structure out of whack?"
And from a third and fourth article on the subject from the same source:
"The Bears re-signed Briggs, and the 49ers never made any attempt to sign him once the free-agent signing period began."
"'I think it's maneuvering by an organization trying to find the best way to keep their guy,' (49ers GM) McCloughan said on Feb. 28."
It's also reported that the reason the 49ers gave to the commissioner for the phone calls was to talk to Rosenhaus about re-signing Taylor Jacobs, which makes absolutely no sense if it's true (and if it's false, for that matter). I won't deny that the 49ers' reported side of things in this appears to make about as little sense as the Bears' reported side of things. Why were the 49ers interested in Briggs at all? Why did the Bears make a fuss when the 49ers made no attempt to sign Briggs in the offseason? Why did both teams even start talking about a trade that wouldn't have been permitted by league rules to begin with?
The whole thing makes little sense from a lot of angles. I think when Maiocco says "There's enough gray area in this one to leave a lot of room for interpretation," he's pretty much hit the nail on the head.
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I'll step away from my "Argument's Advocate" stance here (it's not really a Devil's Advocate stance), and say that the way I personally read things is that the Bears pressed the issue with tampering for no other reason than to take leverage away from any other possible suitors in contract talks. If the Bears were going to be aggressive about the 49ers, after all, they'd logically be aggressive about other teams trying to get into more serious contract talks, which would in turn make it less attractive for other teams to make their approach. I think that makes sense. It's a little underhanded and political (but isn't that redundant?), but it's actual strategy. It applies some sense to what is otherwise a nonsense situation. From that step - which I believe should have been harmless the way it was intended - Goodell found an actual convenient goat for his cheating crackdown and blew the whole situation out of hand.
I am annoyed that the Bears pushed the issue as hard as they did. It doesn't make sense that they'd make such a big deal about it, when a regular sized deal would have been perfectly sufficient to keep other teams at bay. But I personally am probably 80% dropping this square on Goodell's shoulders and 15% on the Bears not letting it go when they could have, and 5% on the 49ers just plain mishandling their defense.
My "Argument's Advocate" stance is the one I've been playing up - the one that deals not with my opinion but rather with what appears to be the prevailing topic of discussion between our communities: Why be mad at the Bears? So when I've been taking that stance I've been focusing on the Bears and not the league. My personal opinion is slanted very heavily toward league failure, though.
From pretty much all angles it's a completely ridiculous situation, though. Neither team should have been in the positions they ended up in, and the league should have found some more tangible fish to fry.
by HowTheyScored on
Mar 29, 2008 1:02 AM CDT
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well
this pretty much ends any logical discussion as it is such an unlikely scenario i find it a waste of time to even consider it.
"49ers and Bears had previously had brief discussions about a trade involving Briggs that fizzled almost as soon as they started"
not real hard for me to believe that after season contract numbers were discussed during these "trade talks." that's a much easier leap of faith than the magical missed calls showing up in the Bears hands. especially since trading a franchise player doesn't allow a new deal to be worked out.
considering the only evidence that exists only exist via unnamed sources (that didn't even agree) given to a san fran reporter, I'm not surprised the facts are muddled at best and the bay area has made up their own claims.
"they made a big deal"
what else did they do but take whatever evidence none of us know about to the commissioner? what makes the change from regular size deal to big deal? were there ads in the papers? Unless you were in the room you have no idea how big of a deal was made, and neither does anyone else.
like i said above, Lance and Drew are Lance and Drew, sleaziness occurred. To believe other things weren't brought before the commissioner is silly and self serving. I doesn't make logical sense. I understand the calls are the only "proof" you have and you are making your claims on that but keep in mind you proof is about as real as any other reported rumor, it could also be total bullshit.
"the Bears pressed the issue with tampering for no other reason than to take leverage away from any other possible suitors in contract talks. If the Bears were going to be aggressive about the 49ers, after all, they'd logically be aggressive about other teams trying to get into more serious contract talks, which would in turn make it less attractive for other teams to make their approach."
except this only happened to the 49ers, while the Bears also talked to the Redskins. any team that wanted Briggs only had to wait till free agency, and really shouldn't even be talking trade during the season since they couldn't sign him to a new deal during the season. Anyone who didn't talk to Briggs during the season, which should be most teams, would have no reason to be intimidated out of talking to him after his franchise ended.
the bottom line for me is there is obviously more to this situation and before going off and making wild ass accusations I would have that information or at least a logical timeline that may contain some reasonable speculation. Nothing I have seen provides that. There's probably a reason knowing nothing about this case, no one hear changed the niners team name to the "tampons" or something stupid like that 4 weeks ago. We didn't know so we didn't assume.
by mike b on
Mar 29, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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Well
I also understand why you're less than willing to accept a set of circumstances that doesn't make a lot of sense without information that hasn't been revealed or disclosed. Unfortunately for me, that pretty much describes the entire case: doesn't make a lot of sense, details unrevealed and undisclosed.
I hope you understand why I'm unwilling to start inventing stories that aren't supported by anything that has come out just because that version would make sense. That's essentially throwing darts, and I don't really see the point.
Essentially our disagreement comes down to the unnamed sources, though. You're rightfully skeptical, but I don't see what else I can base any other presumptions off of. We're probably not going to agree about this, and without some common ground on that basic front I don't see either of our opinions getting closer to other's.
by HowTheyScored on
Mar 29, 2008 12:53 PM CDT
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my point
"One story is that there were two "missed calls" with no voice messages. The second version - essentially corroborating the first report - was that there were two "20-second" phone calls. In other words, a 20-second phone call is a "missed call."
someone who didn't see them calls, or any of the evidence, is calling it the same thing. someone saw "2 missed calls" on Drew's phone? or did drew have two short phone calls?
what's your factual basis for the bears "pushing the issue" other than it is verbatium from the article?
the article, the blog, and your fan base are making a hell of a lot of assumptions.
by mike b on
Mar 29, 2008 2:03 PM CDT
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my point
But it's two, significantly separate, sources who were present at the hearing saying essentially the same thing: that the strongest evidence presented against the 49ers were two phone calls to Rosenhaus's phone that failed to last long enough to be consequential.
Two separate reports that support each other is not as weak as you're trying to make it seem.
And RE: Maiocco, it's not like I'm talking about Stephen A. Smith here. Maiocco is one of the last honest journalists I know of, and he's been intimately involved in the league and the organization for years. He's a source I take very seriously not because I'm a 49er fan and he writes for the Niners, but because he's always been a fair game reporter, giving both sides of every story equal share, and writes like he's a league reporter rather than a team reporter at every turn. He's a very solid source, an extremely respected and award winning journalist, and if it comes down to me believing one report over another, he's always been the most credible I've seen.
It's not just some 49er reporter making wild assumptions on a blog.
by HowTheyScored on
Mar 29, 2008 3:34 PM CDT
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with it being unnamed sources, with no informtion about what was said in the actual hearing, that's exactly what it is.
still waitign to hear how exactly, the Bears "pushed the issue."
by mike b on
Mar 30, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
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this info of yours
if what youa re about to link cites "league sources" but not a single name, don't bother.
by mike b on
Mar 28, 2008 6:09 PM CDT
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Guess I shouldn't bother then
The thing with this is the bears's word and the commissioner's word that the 49ers did it is one thing. We also have the 49ers word that they didn't do it. Gee, those are pretty predictable positions. None of the parties have offered anything but their word to the public, though. No evidence, no reasoning. Not the 49ers, not the Bears, not the Commissioner. The two unnamed sources cited here corroborate each other, and this is the only report of any evidence given that I have seen from any source.
So if you can show mea source with contradictory evidence I'd love to see it. Evidence, I'm saying. Not some "he said, she said." Something concrete. Two missed phone calls is concrete, it's reported, and it doesn't support the charge or the punishment. Show me a source, even an unnamed one, with evidence that does support the charge and I'll start to think about changin my tune. Until then, this is the only evidence I have to go off and the only evidence that appears to exist.
But yeah, the sources cited are unnamed. There is that.
So if you're still even interested, here are the links:
by HowTheyScored on
Mar 28, 2008 7:58 PM CDT
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rock solid
by mike b on
Mar 28, 2008 10:51 PM CDT
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perhaps
(hurry up and retaliate with something about how i'm so gay while its still clever!)
by go stoolies on
Mar 29, 2008 2:01 PM CDT
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Should be the 69'ers
Also, where is the integrity? If SF stood up and went to the league and admitted they did something, they probably wouldn't have been penalized.
However, they tried to just ignore it with the hope that it would not get out.
by RME JICO on
Mar 29, 2008 3:58 PM CDT
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Tampering does happen all the time
by HowTheyScored on
Mar 29, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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this is the same team that violated cap rules
by Dmac on
Mar 30, 2008 9:26 PM CDT
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