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The 49ers Need To Man Up!

As I am sure all of you remember, the 49ers recently lost a 5th round draft pick and swapped third rounders with the Chicago Bears when NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell ruled in our favor on a tampering charge over whether the 49ers were in contact with Bears linebacker Lance Briggs while he was under contract with us.

Apparently, the guys over at SB's Niners blog have been reading and buying into what PFT has been selling lately.  Believing some conspiracy exists and that Goodell might have had his mind made up prior to the hearing and wanted to use the 49ers as an example.  That is all well and good and might even be true, but instead of taking their venom out on the league they have decided to be all piss and vinegar towards the Bears and have created a new Chicago logo dubbing us the Chicago Stoolies.

I understand that over the last 5 years the 49ers record is 25-55 and they might think that breaking league rules is the way to fix that, but perhaps you should right your own ship and stop worrying about what everybody else is doing.

So in retaliation the 49ers no longer exist, only the San Francisco Crybabies.  So I say to them put on your dresses and let us play some football.

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they're just bitter
because we've murdered them the past few years.
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad

by thecoolest on Mar 28, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are also bitter
that America still loves the Bears and always will and now that the 9ers suck, no one cares about them.

by Chad on Mar 28, 2008 1:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boo f'n hoo
This barely even begins to make up for the hurt the Niners repeatedly put on the Bears in the 80s. Back when the Bears would steamroll the league in the regular season, and get wiped out by the Niners in the playoffs by some ridiculous score.
Unleash your inner Grabowski.

by jrm78 on Mar 28, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just posted this
at the niners site!  nice job!!!!

by Chad on Mar 28, 2008 2:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome!
I quote that to my employees when the bitch about stuff.

by Chad on Mar 28, 2008 2:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bet you boys
have whole walls filled with pictures "like that."
"Kyle Orton and Jack Daniel's could be the greatest songwriting duo since Rodgers and Hammerstein." - DJ Gallo

by mike b on Mar 28, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know
When your comment is so easily predictable, it makes it pretty worthless.

by marcello on Mar 28, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awwww
sorry sweetheart. you chose the picture, stop perpetuating the stereotype.
"Kyle Orton and Jack Daniel's could be the greatest songwriting duo since Rodgers and Hammerstein." - DJ Gallo

by mike b on Mar 28, 2008 4:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is he trying to tell us
san francisco isnt the gayest place on earth?

by Jbasic89 on Mar 29, 2008 12:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the niners fans are so lame
they are like little whinnier version of patriot fans, but worse cause they havent been relevant since 94.
-leopoldjones

by leopoldjones on Mar 28, 2008 3:04 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too bad...
The 9ers and Bears don't play this year in another orange swarm where we pound their NFL I-AA team into the ground.

by GallopingGhost on Mar 28, 2008 5:09 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey guys
I'm coming over from NinersNation. I don't usually jump blogs to play "waaah waaah everybody sucks!" but I just wanted to give a more even account of where all this is coming from than we've been seeing come out of our developing flame war.

We're not angry about anything because the punishment is OMGHUGE. The punishment is practically nonexistent. We lose a fifth round pick and move down like 5 spots in the third? Big deal. Who cares?

What we're miffed about is two-fold, and it comes from one place: The only evidence that the 49ers tampered with Briggs were two missed phone calls to Drew Rosenhaus. Voicemessages were not left on the phone. Furthermore, Rosenhaus represents multiple players on the 49ers.

You can see how completely, ridiculously, circumstantially unsubstantiable this evidence is. Right?

So like I said, why we're miffed is two-fold. We're miffed 1) at the league for taking this lack of evidence and issuing a punishment on its basis - especially considering the league went out of its way to destroy evidence against the Patriots for taping, and 2) That the Bears took this lack of evidence and whined to the league about it.

So anyway, if we're whining now, you whined first. If we're crybabies now, you were crying like babies first. Because you took a complete non-issue to league like it was a federal offense.

This has nothing to do with the 49er/Bear in game history. None of us care about the Bears as a team, and those of us that do probably like them well enough (an enemy of the Packers is a friend of mine, generally speaking). This has nothing to do with anything but the injustice passed down from the league on our team based on the complaints of your team.

It's a political thing. Not a city thing. Not a team thing. Not a rivalry thing. Your team used crap politics to take advantage of Roger Goodell's power complex, and our team is taking undeserved heat for it.

I think this rotten taste in our mouths is understandable.

I'd also appreciate it if you could try to be more clever than "SF's gay" when you flame us. It's lazy. We've heard it. It's phobic. It's stupid. You can do better than that. I believe in you.

by HowTheyScored on Mar 28, 2008 5:34 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lets clarify
If the Chicago Bears feel they have been tampered with, then it's their prerogative to report it too the league.

If it's a real non-issue then the league would just dismiss it.  But the league didn't agree.  So if you're pissed, be pissed at that league.

Lastly, for the record, I didn't call anyone gay nor would I.  I'm not saying that you accused me of that but I am letting you know that as one of the loudest shit-talking members of this board, I would never stoop to that.

by Chad on Mar 28, 2008 5:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well
I just don't see what basis two missed phone calls to a guy who has financial ties to our team has as evidence of tampering, and I take more issue with your front office over it than the team itself, and I personally am much more critical of the league than the Bears in all this. I'm just trying to present the case for those 49er fans among us who are angrier at the Bears org than I actually am in a more reasoned way than I've been seeing and without dropping f-bombs about it.

Also, I know I took aim at your "Whine and Cheese" headline over at our site, but I'll say it is a million times better than any gay crack, and I give you all the credit in the world for not personally resorting to those.

by HowTheyScored on Mar 28, 2008 6:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i love to shit talk
but calling out someone as 'gay' or 'fag' really makes that person look ignorant.

We all know that there is a large gay population in San Francisco, but I'm not sure how that makes them any less of fans.  I am pretty sure that it makes them better dressers, though!  ZING!  

by Chad on Mar 28, 2008 6:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who told the bears
about the two missed calls?

or more importantly, what did that same person, who didn't speak about the case, tell the bears before they made the tampering charge?

they have solid evidence of two missed calls (or 2 20 second phone calls, conveniently the same thing in the eyes of sf), that someone, who had easy access to the phone, felt the need to tell the bears about. wonder who has easy access to Drew's phone, or whatever "not solid" evidence (like things said off the record that can't be made public because it would hurt business) this person might have?

 The story that you are pushing is that the bears somehow became aware of two missed calls on rosenhaus' phone, knew it was the 49ers, and then complained. Besides improbable, it also doesn't make logistical sense. You think Drew came in one day, flashed the numbers and said "wow guys, the 49ers are calling" and the Bears went from there?

Or is it possible the same guy who fled the scene of a car accident early in the morning, who already had his big mouth open all off season, mentioned his agent was already talking to other teams? The agent was pressed and offered the two missed calls as proof, didn't deny or confirm. Bad for business after all.

The idea that the Bears have two missed calls and NO other information, but some how filed tampering charges that were then held up, is ludicrous. If it makes you feel better to believe that, go ahead. We hear better unconfirmed bullshit than this almost daily.

From your own article:

"But if the Bears truly believed the 49ers were trying to undermine them during the season to get a head start on acquiring Briggs through free agency, you can't blame them for being upset."

"When this stuff happens during the season, it has the potential to create problems in the locker room and, conceivably, the outcome of games could be affected."

"Kyle Orton and Jack Daniel's could be the greatest songwriting duo since Rodgers and Hammerstein." - DJ Gallo

by mike b on Mar 29, 2008 12:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well
I don't pretend to know how we get from "two missed calls" to "Bears know Rosenhaus's phone records," but in the absence of any other reported evidence I'm left to believe that we did actually go from step one to step two. I think the Bears had reason to be worried about Briggs, and it has been reported that the 49ers and Bears had previously had brief discussions about a trade involving Briggs that fizzled almost as soon as they started. The Bears may have been doing nothing more than making a move that would keep interest at large away from Briggs - and that got out of hand in the supple hands of power-meister Roger Goodell, they may have had better reasons than I can see for being worried about the 49ers specifically - therefore acting rightly, or they might have just been doing something completely irrational - therefore acting wrongly.

Other than trade talks that went nowhere, I'm not sure what the Bears had to worry about from the Niners. Also quoted from the articles I pointed to:

"Why would the 49ers want to pay a ton of money to somebody who essentially plays the same position as Patrick Willis? And, certainly, why would they break the rules to expedite the process of over-paying somebody who would throw the club's entire salary structure out of whack?"

And from a third and fourth article on the subject from the same source:

"The Bears re-signed Briggs, and the 49ers never made any attempt to sign him once the free-agent signing period began."

"'I think it's maneuvering by an organization trying to find the best way to keep their guy,' (49ers GM) McCloughan said on Feb. 28."

It's also reported that the reason the 49ers gave to the commissioner for the phone calls was to talk to Rosenhaus about re-signing Taylor Jacobs, which makes absolutely no sense if it's true (and if it's false, for that matter). I won't deny that the 49ers' reported side of things in this appears to make about as little sense as the Bears' reported side of things. Why were the 49ers interested in Briggs at all? Why did the Bears make a fuss when the 49ers made no attempt to sign Briggs in the offseason? Why did both teams even start talking about a trade that wouldn't have been permitted by league rules to begin with?

The whole thing makes little sense from a lot of angles. I think when Maiocco says "There's enough gray area in this one to leave a lot of room for interpretation," he's pretty much hit the nail on the head.

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I'll step away from my "Argument's Advocate" stance here (it's not really a Devil's Advocate stance), and say that the way I personally read things is that the Bears pressed the issue with tampering for no other reason than to take leverage away from any other possible suitors in contract talks. If the Bears were going to be aggressive about the 49ers, after all, they'd logically be aggressive about other teams trying to get into more serious contract talks, which would in turn make it less attractive for other teams to make their approach. I think that makes sense. It's a little underhanded and political (but isn't that redundant?), but it's actual strategy. It applies some sense to what is otherwise a nonsense situation. From that step - which I believe should have been harmless the way it was intended - Goodell found an actual convenient goat for his cheating crackdown and blew the whole situation out of hand.

I am annoyed that the Bears pushed the issue as hard as they did. It doesn't make sense that they'd make such a big deal about it, when a regular sized deal would have been perfectly sufficient to keep other teams at bay. But I personally am probably 80% dropping this square on Goodell's shoulders and 15% on the Bears not letting it go when they could have, and 5% on the 49ers just plain mishandling their defense.

My "Argument's Advocate" stance is the one I've been playing up - the one that deals not with my opinion but rather with what appears to be the prevailing topic of discussion between our communities: Why be mad at the Bears? So when I've been taking that stance I've been focusing on the Bears and not the league. My personal opinion is slanted very heavily toward league failure, though.

From pretty much all angles it's a completely ridiculous situation, though. Neither team should have been in the positions they ended up in, and the league should have found some more tangible fish to fry.

by HowTheyScored on Mar 29, 2008 1:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well
"I don't pretend to know how we get from "two missed calls" to "Bears know Rosenhaus's phone records," but in the absence of any other reported evidence I'm left to believe that we did actually go from step one to step two."

this pretty much ends any logical discussion as it is such an unlikely scenario i find it a waste of time to even consider it.

"49ers and Bears had previously had brief discussions about a trade involving Briggs that fizzled almost as soon as they started"

not real hard for me to believe that after season contract numbers were discussed during these "trade talks." that's a much easier leap of faith than the magical missed calls showing up in the Bears hands. especially since trading a franchise player doesn't allow a new deal to be worked out.

considering the only evidence that exists only exist via unnamed sources (that didn't even agree) given to a san fran reporter, I'm not surprised the facts are muddled at best and the bay area has made up their own claims.

"they made a big deal"

what else did they do but take whatever evidence none of us know about to the commissioner? what makes the change from regular size deal to big deal? were there ads in the papers? Unless you were in the room you have no idea how big of a deal was made, and neither does anyone else.

like i said above, Lance and Drew are Lance and Drew, sleaziness occurred. To believe other things weren't brought before the commissioner is silly and self serving. I doesn't make logical sense. I understand the calls are the only "proof" you have and you are making your claims on that but keep in mind you proof is about as real as any other reported rumor, it could also be total bullshit.

"the Bears pressed the issue with tampering for no other reason than to take leverage away from any other possible suitors in contract talks. If the Bears were going to be aggressive about the 49ers, after all, they'd logically be aggressive about other teams trying to get into more serious contract talks, which would in turn make it less attractive for other teams to make their approach."

except this only happened to the 49ers, while the Bears also talked to the Redskins. any team that wanted Briggs only had to wait till free agency, and really shouldn't even be talking trade during the season since they couldn't sign him to a new deal during the season. Anyone who didn't talk to Briggs during the season, which should be most teams, would have no reason to be intimidated out of talking to him after his franchise ended.

the bottom line for me is there is obviously more to this situation and before going off and making wild ass accusations I would have that information  or at least a logical timeline that may contain some reasonable speculation. Nothing I have seen provides that. There's probably a reason knowing nothing about this case, no one hear changed the niners team name to the "tampons" or something stupid like that 4 weeks ago. We didn't know so we didn't assume.

"Kyle Orton and Jack Daniel's could be the greatest songwriting duo since Rodgers and Hammerstein." - DJ Gallo

by mike b on Mar 29, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well
I respect your opinion. I understand why you wouldn't want to put much stock in two unnamed sources. I disagree that those separate sources contradict each other. On the other hand, they essentially back each other up (which is one big reason I'm willing to put more stock in them).

I also understand why you're less than willing to accept a set of circumstances that doesn't make a lot of sense without information that hasn't been revealed or disclosed. Unfortunately for me, that pretty much describes the entire case: doesn't make a lot of sense, details unrevealed and undisclosed.

I hope you understand why I'm unwilling to start inventing stories that aren't supported by anything that has come out just because that version would make sense. That's essentially throwing darts, and I don't really see the point.

Essentially our disagreement comes down to the unnamed sources, though. You're rightfully skeptical, but I don't see what else I can base any other presumptions off of. We're probably not going to agree about this, and without some common ground on that basic front I don't see either of our opinions getting closer to other's.

by HowTheyScored on Mar 29, 2008 12:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my point
is that i wouldn't be making presumptions off such crappy data.

"One story is that there were two "missed calls" with no voice messages. The second version - essentially corroborating the first report - was that there were two "20-second" phone calls. In other words, a 20-second phone call is a "missed call."

someone who didn't see them calls, or any of the evidence, is calling it the same thing. someone saw "2 missed calls" on Drew's phone? or did drew have two short phone calls?

what's your factual basis for the bears "pushing the issue" other than it is verbatium from the article?

the article, the blog, and your fan base are making a hell of a lot of assumptions.

"Kyle Orton and Jack Daniel's could be the greatest songwriting duo since Rodgers and Hammerstein." - DJ Gallo

by mike b on Mar 29, 2008 2:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my point
is that the data isn't nearly as crappy as you're looking to make it sound. I think the discrepancy you're jumping on a problem of the sources interpretations of the data presented from the phone records, which would indicate the length of the call but not whether it was received or not. One person assumes the two are missed calls, possibly based on the 49er testimony that the calls were missed. The other person reports it more literally from the phone record itself. Either way, the calls are too short to even get as far as "Hey Drew, it's Scot, I'd like to talk about-"

But it's two, significantly separate, sources who were present at the hearing saying essentially the same thing: that the strongest evidence presented against the 49ers were two phone calls to Rosenhaus's phone that failed to last long enough to be consequential.

Two separate reports that support each other is not as weak as you're trying to make it seem.

And RE: Maiocco, it's not like I'm talking about Stephen A. Smith here. Maiocco is one of the last honest journalists I know of, and he's been intimately involved in the league and the organization for years. He's a source I take very seriously not because I'm a 49er fan and he writes for the Niners, but because he's always been a fair game reporter, giving both sides of every story equal share, and writes like he's a league reporter rather than a team reporter at every turn. He's a very solid source, an extremely respected and award winning journalist, and if it comes down to me believing one report over another, he's always been the most credible I've seen.

It's not just some 49er reporter making wild assumptions on a blog.

by HowTheyScored on Mar 29, 2008 3:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually
"It's not just some 49er reporter making wild assumptions on a blog."

with it being unnamed sources, with no informtion about what was said in the actual hearing, that's exactly what it is.

still waitign to hear how exactly, the Bears "pushed the issue."

"Kyle Orton and Jack Daniel's could be the greatest songwriting duo since Rodgers and Hammerstein." - DJ Gallo

by mike b on Mar 30, 2008 10:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this info of yours
is posted as absolute -word of the bears org and commisioner- fact somewhere?

if what youa re about to link cites "league sources" but not a single name, don't bother.

"Kyle Orton and Jack Daniel's could be the greatest songwriting duo since Rodgers and Hammerstein." - DJ Gallo

by mike b on Mar 28, 2008 6:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guess I shouldn't bother then
Here's a series of links on the issue if you care at all. Matt Maiocco has been a 49er beat writer for years, but he's generally a very even reporter and rarely sports a homer's position on anything with the 49ers.

The thing with this is the bears's word and the commissioner's word that the 49ers did it is one thing. We also have the 49ers word that they didn't do it. Gee, those are pretty predictable positions. None of the parties have offered anything but their word to the public, though. No evidence, no reasoning. Not the 49ers, not the Bears, not the Commissioner. The two unnamed sources cited here corroborate each other, and this is the only report of any evidence given that I have seen from any source.

So if you can show mea source with contradictory evidence I'd love to see it. Evidence, I'm saying. Not some "he said, she said." Something concrete. Two missed phone calls is concrete, it's reported, and it doesn't support the charge or the punishment. Show me a source, even an unnamed one, with evidence that does support the charge and I'll start to think about changin my tune. Until then, this is the only evidence I have to go off and the only evidence that appears to exist.

But yeah, the sources cited are unnamed. There is that.

So if you're still even interested, here are the links:

Original report

Follow up analysis

by HowTheyScored on Mar 28, 2008 7:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rock solid
"Kyle Orton and Jack Daniel's could be the greatest songwriting duo since Rodgers and Hammerstein." - DJ Gallo

by mike b on Mar 28, 2008 10:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

perhaps
youd like to see our 5 super bowl trophies? of course, i hear you guys have one, so really, once youve seen (or won) one of 'em, youve seen em all, right?  

(hurry up and retaliate with something about how i'm so gay while its still clever!)

by go stoolies on Mar 29, 2008 2:01 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Should be the 69'ers
This is pretty silly.  Any team in the league would report a violation, because if the teams don't police each other then this stuff would happen too often.

Also, where is the integrity?  If SF stood up and went to the league and admitted they did something, they probably wouldn't have been penalized.  

However, they tried to just ignore it with the hope that it would not get out.  

by RME JICO on Mar 29, 2008 3:58 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tampering does happen all the time
And is rarely reported. This is a pretty well known fact. The only difference in this case appears to be the timing of the "violation" as in season and not post-season.

by HowTheyScored on Mar 29, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is the same team that violated cap rules
Yes, the 49's won all those Super Bowls - congrats to them. However, if we're going to discuss ethics, let's talk about DeBartolo rigging the system to keep his best players while lying to the league about their cap space. Great franchise, they always play by the rules.

by Dmac on Mar 30, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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