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2008 NFL Draft - Day 2, Part 1

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2008 NFL Draft- Bears Selections
Round Pick Player Pos. College
1 14 Chris Williams OT Vaderbilt
2 44 Matt Forte RB Tulane
3 70 Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt
3 90 Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas
4 120 Craig Steltz S LSU
5 142 Zack Bowman CB Nebraska
5 158 -- -- --
7 208 -- -- --
7 222 -- -- --
7 243 -- -- --
7 247 -- -- --
7 248 -- -- --

Star-divide

Heading into Day 2 the Bears have two big picks in the 3rd round. They really have a chance to change the shape of this offense. My guess is that they address wide receiver with one of them. The next batch of receivers are:

Mario Manningham, Michigan
Andre Caldwell, Florida
Early Doucet, LSU


The other pick might not be so easy to predict. The Bears could use it to look at QB with John David Booty or Dennis Dixon if they like any of them. If instead they decide to not draft a QB or go after San Diego St. QB Kevin O'Connell in a later round maybe the Bears use their first pick on defense and go with a guy like Tom Zbikowski, a safety out of Notre Dame that most Bears fans seem to have a crush on.

They could also look to bolster their defensive tackle postion with guys like Andre Fluellen from Florida St or Pat Sims out of Auburn.

After that the Bears have one pick in each the 4th, 5th and 6th, but have 4 7th round picks. I'd really like the Bears to use their wealth of picks and start moving around and fill out some areas of need.

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Not Zib in the 3rd......

need WR too bad….....Haruki Nakamura in the 7th.

by SuperBowlXX on Apr 27, 2008 4:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They moved up 2 places

so they were already in front of us.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Smtih

over Charles?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I know they want to be able to break it

but doesn’t it take away from the draft to announce the pick before it is oficially announced?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It’s pretty anticlimactic.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're on deck

Andre Caldwell coming up. Or Earl Bennett. Or Jeremy Zuttah.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I still don't get the Forte pick.

RB mattered, but why waste a pick so high?

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why do they always show the bad first?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I know I'm not going to like this pick.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Two Vandy guys

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Stop with the caps lock, jerk. It's making it harder for others...

...to read in the quick flow this is supposed to work.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice

Bennett is going to be very good, could get some starts this year. Only problem is he’s kind of short.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Man, I'd be loving this draft if they had Brohm right now.

Forte will probably be good, but seriously… RB in the second? It’s not practical when a team needs a damned quarterback. Ugh.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who do you have more faith in

Orton/Grossman or Benson? Brohm wasn’t going to play this year anyway, Forte will and he’ll do well.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For this year? Neither.

Orton and Grossman are pathetic. So is Benson. I have more faith in finding a serviceable RB than a serviceable QB.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many games

has Orton lost for us?

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many has he won?

When the rest of the team was great and they were playing shitty teams, he’s fine. Is he good enough to win a playoff game if the rest of the team isn’t 100% and firing on all cylinders?

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well yeah, he's not Tom Brady

who does when when the rest of the team doesn’t fire on all cylinders? I’m not saying he’s our savior or anything but I don’t think he’s terrible.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, nice hyperbole.

Hey man, he’s not Tom Brady, but no one is, so that means he’s still good!

Gimme a break. I’d just like him to be a Top-25 QB, and he’s definitely not that. Can you really argue that he is?

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you get my point.

He isn’t going to win games by himself, but he’s not going to imlode either. And he hasn’t been the starter long enough to be a top 25 QB.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I get the point.

And it’s irrelevant because he won’t be the QB of the future. (and yes, you could at least project that he’d be one of the 25 best QB’s, the fact that we can’t, says a lot) Barring a miracle, neither Orton nor Grossman will be leading this team beyond 2009. Neither will Benson, of course. But as I’ve repeatedly pointed out (and you seem to be missing this point), average to better-than-average RB’s are a lot easier to find than average to better-than-average QB’s.

In 2010, when Forte is rushing for 900 yards and five TD’s, there will be about five RB’s drafted after him or were FA’s that are doing just as well. Meanwhile, Brohm will be coming into his own while Andre Woodson continue to pick his nose and Josh McCown is leading this team at QB.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they end up with Woodson, I won't cry.

But if it’s Booty, I just might.

My ideal draft (what I showed a week ago):
Williams
Brohm
Charles
Caldwell/Doucet

An acceptable, and possible, draft:
Williams
Forte
Bennet
Woodson

A shitty draft:
Williams
Forte
Bennet
Booty

Seriously, RB’s can be found ANYWHERE!!! How much of a wasted pick was Brandon Jackson for the Packers? Where was Frank Gore drafted? How many extra RB’s does Oakland have? The NY Giants had (arguably) the best ground game in the league and how many did they draft early? What about Denver?

Seriously, if there’s one position that “grows on trees”, it’s RB’s.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's harder to scan the comments.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At 90

I’m thinking Zuttah or a QB.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Two line men

in 4 picks? Thats how you fix a line.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do they insist

on putting Mortensen on live TV? Every time I see him he is stumbling over his words. If he can’t talk well don’t put him on.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He seems like he just woke up.

And I love how ESPN keeps having rountable discussions about yesterday’s picks and NFLN is talking about, you know, what’s happening now.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, so I'm going to have to call someone out....

...who was it that said Doucet and Caldwell wouldn’t be available in the third?

ANSON! Oh yeah, good call on that ass-face!

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 9:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We need to draft somebody

who is rocked up!

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We need

a guy who really knows how to flip his hips.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody know about this guy?

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 9:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cheifs need to pick a punter

just so we can stop hearing how great their draft is.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They interviewed Herm

like 5 times yesterday.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

f the chiefs

they have at tv show on nfl network about training camp so it serves their interests to trade a star for a rookies to compete on the NFL network in training camp….

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rivals.com
The Good: Bennett separates well in coverage and has reliable hands. He has enough speed to go deep and gain extra yards after the catch. He was a consistent playmaker throughout his college career. Bennett has good cutting ability, which allows him to separate well from defenders.

The Bad: Bennett still needs to refine his route running and defense recognition. He must improve his overall strength to take the pounding he will receive in the NFL, especially when going across the middle of the field.

Outlook: Bennett should immediately work his way into three- and four-wideout sets, even if he’s not a starter. He has huge upside and could be a steal in the second round. This hidden gem probably has as much upside as any receiver in this class.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Steal in the second? How about the third!

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like how

the bad really isn’t that bad, since coaching will change all that.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

our second two picks have sites it looks like:

Matt Forte – MattForte25.com
Earl Bennett – MyNameIsEarlBennett.com

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 9:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Those sites are for them and have videos and stuff…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, he's 6'1"?

My bad, I could have sworn I read he was 5’9”. This pick just gets better and better.

Kind of a mushmouth, though….

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the pats are afraid to make picks

and ruin their rep, so they make only 2 a draft and just keep trading back from year to year. In 2020 they are going to have 75 picks.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So is a QB going to be our next pick?

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 9:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd say no

but what do I know?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it would surprise me

at this point it would be late, if at all…...

by SuperBowlXX on Apr 27, 2008 9:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Manningham or Bennett?

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 9:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh god

Manningham is a nightmare.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here he is:

FULL SIZE

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow that was fast

Look at those steely eyes, he means business!

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Realli got a little hosting gig.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There goes Early Doucet. He was supposed to be an earlier pick…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 9:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

“flipps his hips”

by SuperBowlXX on Apr 27, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

mayockism

mushroom top:

When a line men is so huge their belly hang over their pants.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 9:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well Boys...

I just woke up and from what I gather from your comments…we flipped picks and took this Vandy receiver who none of us have heard but his scouting report isn’t too bad? I guess I am OK with that. Almost sounds like Berrian coming out of college; fast, a little unpolished and not quite as muscular as you want…

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know

why Doucet took such a tumble?

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 9:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not I

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as we pick the

positions we really need, I’d be ok with anybody.

Down in the 4th I don’t know enough about the players to know if it was a good pick.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So do we all want a QB at 90?

Or would you guys rather see a safety or a DT?

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really don’t know. I’m thinking a QB…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see a QB at 90

another line men, S maybe DT.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking

they’ll go for DT here, maybe Andre Fluellen, and then QB next round.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I marked him to look at today.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you be surprised if the Bears took Woodson? They were said to be high on him a few months ago.

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A lot seemed to change in a few months...

he went from the first round to day 2 with a poor senior bowl. I don’t know if I want him on the Bears, he seems almost too raw, too unpolished and with no vet to guide him, that might be bad. The rawest guy I’d want is Kevin O’Connell or Josh Johnson.

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

chiefs

just casting for their show on nfl network

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap

Bucs took Zuttah.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

QB PLEASE

Woodson would be nice… anybody would be nice.

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What would you all think about

Justin King. Always can use another CB.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a priority

especially with McBride playing well.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

but as you get farther down it might be a best athlete available situation.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know

I really didn’t like Woodson when they talked about him as our first rounder. At 90 however, it doesn’t seem like a bad pick at all.

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's how I feel

good potential at this spot.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think though

that they’ll be content to take whoever is the highest QB on their board in round 4.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We are going to talk to Del Rio again?

Can we get JA on screen?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep...

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank god

I didn’t like him at all.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't you pick

him in your draft scenario?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

that was Jamie Silva.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I thought he could have fit well with the Bears but he need some coaching. Plus I did get nervous when his scouting report said compares to “Adam Archuleta” that made me kind of shy away from him.

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top 10 QB

John David Booty
Andre Woodson
Erik Ainge
Kevin O Connell
Josh Johnson
Matt Flynn
Dennis Dixon
Colt Brennan
Paul Smith
Kyle Wright

According to ESPN…

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I know the Doc

is high on O’Connell.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love him

does he have a web site? Although if Woodson is still there next round, it’s a tough call.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why

did Woodson drop from the 1st to 4th? Was it all because he couldn’t work out?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only if you throw

in all caps:)

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ainge

is interesting because we haven’t heard him much…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he have arm strength issues?

He and Booty had issues with being accurate once going down the field.

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright

we are almost up again. make the call

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

NEVER MIND

Lions took him. Ummm, now I don’t know….

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We still have 8 more picks today!

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Booty

jersey might sell.

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 10:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Millions of fans

with Booty on their back. Fantastic!

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

vandee

does vandee have a qb in this draft …. shiiiiiiit

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For 90

I am going to call a position rather than player: QB. It’s time. I think we do that and as fans we can consider it a safe, conservative solid draft to this point.

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kevin O' Connell

Strenght and Weaknesses

And this:

Compares To: MATT CASSEL-New England…O’Connell is a more mobile passer, but like Cassel, he is going to need time and patient coaching to add technique and mechanical refinement. He is a rare-sized athlete with great mobility in the pocket, but his delivery is a mess and his footwork leaves a lot to be desired. He forces a lot of throws and needs generate better touch on his short-area throws and improve the zip on his deep passes. If a team preaches patience and has an established veteran in place to allow O’Connell several years to develop, he could be a good one. Rushing him, however, might render any pick used on O’Connell a wasted selection.

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well we have

orton for two years. Is that enough?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about Slaton…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Top 10

Marcus Harrison DT ARKANSAS
Justin King CB PENN STATE
Mario Manningham WR MICHIGAN
Anthony Collins OT KANSAS
Cliff Avril DE PURDUE
Tyvon Branch CB UCONN
Oniel Cousins OG UTEP
Andre Caldwell WR FLORIDA
John David Booty QB USC
Erin Henderson OLB MARYLAND

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I called him in SBN draft

it be nice to see him a round later.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

it is Justin King.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marcus Harrision (DT)?

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CALLED IT!

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

40 seconds

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

going collins

should go booty

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, he was number one available on Kiper’s list.

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marcus Harrison

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Theres the DT

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think they’ll take a QB in the fourth. It isn’t like more than one will be taken…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Never heard of him

Do we have any info on him…

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 10:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OHHH

Another glass DT.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Negatives

Negatives: Has had left knee injuries that warrant further medical evaluation…His 2007 summer arrest needs to be resolved before a team can invest a draft pick in him…Did a good job rehabilitating from his 2007 knee injury, but the former coaching staff felt that he needed to be monitored, as he rarely pushed himself in the training room and was a problem at times in the locker room (the staff questioned his toughness, as he would not give full effort when hurt and while trying to become a leader, he failed to live by example and spent more time yelling at teammates rather than mentoring them)...Will get into a rhythm on the field where he would just go through the motions for long stretches and the staff felt that he was getting complacent, lacking the fire in his belly to play until the whistle…Has stiff hips that cause him to look sluggish working his way down the line…Needs to learn how to sink his pads and keep his back low, as he narrows his base and gets pushed off the line of scrimmage often, when he gets too tall coming off the snap…Lacks an array of pass-rush moves and, while naturally strong, he does not extend his hands or generate a powerful punch that is needed to keep blockers off his feet…His tall stance and “short arm” tactics leave him exposed to cut blocks and double teams give him problems, as he does not anchor well, nor use his hands effectively to shed…Needs a clear path to the quarterback, as he does not have the speed or agility to generate a long chase…Marginal bull rusher with very poor rip and club moves, and can be stonewalled by a strong hand placement from an offensive lineman, as he fails to maintain leverage…Has marginal lower-body strength to gain position and hold his ground firmly…Has had problems with the snap cadence and can be drawn offside…Must also be more alert to blocking schemes and does not show the vision to quickly locate the ball in a crowd…Too rigid in his hips to execute a spin move to play off blocks and will throttle down when not involved in the action…Must show renewed desire and effort in his play.

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

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Positives

Positives: Has a thick chest, big back and wide waist and hips…More of a two-gap type who needs to play with better consistency, as he showed in the past that he is capable of defeating blocks and clogging rush lanes…Marginal pass rusher, but does have enough speed to move along and make plays at the line of scrimmage…Shows adequate quickness and agility coming out of his stance, but only when he keeps his pad level down (tends to get tall in his stance)...When he shows desire, he is effective at shooting his hands to gain separation in attempts to shed blocks (but short-arms too often, allowing double teams to wash him out)...Has the functional feet and balance to make plays outside the box (former defensive end)...When he stays low in his stance and keeps his hands inside his frame, he is able to maintain position vs. a blocker right over his head…When he does a good job in reading and recognizing the play, he is effective at getting into position to make the play (consistency is lacking)...Has better power playing the two-gap than on the move…When he keeps his hands active, he can get off blocks quicker…Good collision-type tackler with the ideal reach to latch on and drag ballcarriers down…Hits with a thud and can clog rush lanes and push the lead blocker back with his initial low step off the snap…Has limitations reading schemes up front, but when he locates the ball, he is quick to close…Does not do it often, but when he uses his hands to disengage, he is capable of creating a new line of scrimmage…Has the frame to carry more bulk without having it affect his speed…When he finds the screens, he takes good angles to close.

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Quote of the Day?

“You don’t do Jim Harbaugh, you take Trent Dilfer, that’s why they are the laughing stock of the league.” – Mel Kiper Jr. 1994 draft

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Murphy: Harrison has a great deal of ability, but has been hampered by injuries and off-field issues. He is very quick for his size and can be hard to block 1-on-1. He offers them some protection behind Tommie Harris and Dusty Dvoracek, both who have battled injuries themselves the past few years.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The good: Harrison is a strong tackle who can be a force in the middle. He has an explosive burst to go along with his functional strength and quickness. His footwork helps allow him to make a difference both against the run and the pass.

The bad: He needs to be more consistent with his hand punch. There are some questions about his ability to stay healthy, particularly against the rigors of the demanding NFL schedule.

Outlook: This tough, athletic tackle has the ability to make an impact at the NFL level if healthy. With proper coaching, the sky is the limit for Harrison. He’s a top 75 prospect with clubs like the Panthers, Lions and Buccaneers all looking.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

20 picks

until we go again. I think it’s safe to say that Woodson or Booty will be there if the Bears want them…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess the reason I don't like this is...

...they’ve taken a surer thing at RB and will have to take a bigger risk on a QB. In my world, I’d rather it be the other way.

But it does make sense because about the third thing Lovie said was “Well, when we checked the off-the-field stuff…” This organization is just like the Bulls: Screw players, we want character guys.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

EDIT: They just took Tank Johnson in Round 3.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why did he have to re nickname Harrison Tank?

Power Pig is a much better name for a Razor back.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, not really liking

the Harrison pick too much. But we’ll see how he pans out. We definitely needed DT depth, but he doesn’t seem like he fits our style and he’s injury prone.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

On Williams Injury:
Williams and the Bears refuted a report on NFL Network Saturday morning that indicated the offensive tackle has a neck problem. Williams said he hasn’t had any neck issues since sustaining a routine stinger in 2005.

"He’s fine," said general manager Jerry Angelo. "At the Combine we checked him once, twice and a third time and we feel very good about his medical as well, so there really isn’t any issue in our minds. All these players have a little wear and tear to them, particularly when they play their whole career in college. But we’re fine on that end as well."

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

His neck didn't seem to bother him

when he allowed TWO (2) sacks over two seasons.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha

All that Manningham talk and the Colts take a LB

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Come On

more friggin Cheifs talk.c

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

we get it, they’re having a good draft. That tends to happen when you’re awful for several years.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There goes O'Connell

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Patriots take him?

Maybe they liked that he was compared to their other backup.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's only right..

They comparted him to Castle, the Pats other backup…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he is good

then i like him… a lot of faith is being put in Dusty DV right now. Urlacher likes him, but dudes gotta play before we can feel comfortable there. all Urlacher needs (especially with Harris ) is a big a guy like Gilbert Brown. If this guy can eat up space and make teams pay for doubling harris i’m good with this pick. still need a qb …

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 10:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pittsburgh

has had the luckiest draft so far.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bears could have.

Honestly, if I told you Williams, Brohm, Charles and Andre Caldwell, we’d all be giddy as shit. Well, most of us…

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if caldwell's still there in the 4th

do we take him? i feel like we should go after the best guard or safety without reaching.

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by guy incognito on Apr 27, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oconnell

just saw clips of him on nfl network and i’m pissed we didnt get him

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

Oh well, maybe we can trade for him after he studies behing Brady for 2 years.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manningham goes to the Giants

great, now I get to hear about is off-the-field-issues in the news for the next 6 years…..

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK NFLN

is beginning to feel like PFT.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sprint Pimps

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wait

until you get a sponsorship from Pizzeria Uno or something.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am a pizza whore

i’ll pimp them now.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris WIlliams was a great pick

You know what else is a great pick? The new 7-cheese pizza from Uno!

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bennett was a great pick deep in the draft

you know what else is good deep….Our new pepperoni and italian sausage deep dish.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

See how easy it is? It flows in with the football info so well.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marcus Harrison has some injury concerns

He’s in danger of snapping like a stick. Just like Uno’s new Cheesy Crunch Breadsticks.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

manningham tested positive for weed

why not step it up with some ice cold Coke?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bengals took Caldwell

wonder if that means they have CJ on the way out.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

unless they come down in their demands, no

i think chad’s a great WR, but he’s definitely got some baggage and some wear and tear. and given the market for players, to turn down a #1 and #3 from washington for him is crazy. that was a huge haul and i honestly don’t think they have any interest in trading him if they didn’t take it. i think a team would be nuts to offer that much for ocho cinco, even if he might be worth it.

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by guy incognito on Apr 27, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope

the Bengals don’t buckle and he sits on the bench all year.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oneil Cousins gone

He would have been nice too.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

what we should have done

and how i am going to set up madden… mistake was not signing Michael turner during the offseason. then draft williams OL, second round Limas Sweed, 70 : Oconnell

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 10:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

11 more...

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe

we missed out on O’Connell, man that sucks for us.

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 10:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude

they are so letting that guy pimp a website.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys

the Chiefs had a great draft, just in case you didn’t know.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 10:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We're almost there...

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 10:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you see

that fool wearing the Rashaan Salaam jersey?

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 11:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jets fans are wearing Vilma jerseys'

Maybe they should have guards at the doors. You want in, wear a jersey that is currently on your team. Don’t be that guy.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On NFLN

or ESPN either way I missed it

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like how ESPN

has Tony Reali doing a roundtable. He’s just a mediator, just on ATH but its funny.

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Take Anthony Collins.

If they’re not going for a QB, at least build through the line.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 11:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seems like a good move

But Woodson could be the pick too.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kinda like Woodson

as a fourth round pick. Who do you guys like better, Woodson or Booty?

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're getting to the "next Tom Brady" territory w/ Woodson.

Kind of.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Titans

Just drafted a guy from a cigarette company: Winston Salem State…

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ESPN is a pick behind

I switched over after the Browns pick and they just announced the trade and haven’t run the pick.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OH

the Chiefs just took Will Franklin. There draft is just getting better and better. They rock.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Time to bring back Herm

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The NFL.com

draft picker is WAY behind.

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Now one...

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Titans are having

a horrible draft. The kid they took from Winston Salem, Kiper has as an undrafted free agent.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it's bad

they’d better hope Chris Johnson exceeds expectations.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

They said Kiper had him when the NFL did not now have him on potential draftees.

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well yeah

Doesn’t everybody love Earl Bennett’s family?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're up

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

After this pick, we have to wait a while…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not a fan of the Booty?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Issues:

Weak arm, not accurate downfield and he wa sinjured every year he was at USC.

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it'll be

Collins
Booty
Woodson

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Collins then trade into the fourth and take Woodson?

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Or trade...

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Urlacher getting some love

on ESPN

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade Down?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jason Taylor?

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If so then

We got a helluva a deal! Ha

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d say :)

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So did we just move down to 16 in this round?

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You think we'd

Have wanted more than just to drop 5 picks…

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea

Nobody’s saying anything.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 11:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

On ESPN.com is looks like we moved to #16 in this round and I’d assume we got something else.

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

assuming

they remembered to get something in return

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone seen anything other than us moving down five picks?

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks like

moved down 5 spots and got the 1st pick in the 7th round

by whitesoxmatt on Apr 27, 2008 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll take it.

JA does better in late rounds than early ones, haha

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

ESPN has us listed there with a “T” by it…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Damnit

Cinci got Anthony Collins!

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m thinking they didn’t want him becuase they would have taken him and not moved down.

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

must not have been too high on him.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moving down

for a little Booty?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

down with that

dennis dixon in the 7th…

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how the Vikings draft part is. One pick so far…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy shit... Carl Nicks is still available.

I didn’t think he was anything special, but he’s got very good RT potential. A draft with him and Williams would light my fire anew. Ewww Or something else.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 11:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just saw that

that would be a sweet pick.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never heard of him

But this sounds intriguing. I like that. Where did he play?

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nebraska (where I'm from)

I’m not a fan of theirs, but I see them a lot. He’s raw, but he’s got size and decent athleticism.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

7th-ranked Tackle by Scott Wright

at NFL Draft Countdown

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy hell

Matt Millen gets an interview before we do.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One pick in each of the next rounds through the sixth and then FOUR in the seventh.

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sportsnation

have the vikings as the second best draft in the NFC North. WTF

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What draft? They took one player.

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good list

of best available players on SI.com

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 11:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We’re up again. I’m going to guess Woodson…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Or Booty...

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NFLN is givning

the harrison pick lots of love.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What is going on? Another trade…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bears trade again

how many 7th rounders do we need>

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Does this mean that they have a QB they want to take, but feel they can wait on him?

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Another trade.

Jeez. pretty soon we will have EVERY pick in the 7th

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

post of the 4th round

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they got one of TB many QBs…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What about

taking Steltz from LSU?

And I think someone told Angelo that 7th round picks are worth double points. Or redeemable for cash or something

me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie

by brndnprkns on Apr 27, 2008 11:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m guessing we now have the 21st here in the fourth. So five picks more…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade

Our 4th rounder for Brian Griese.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 11:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We got a seventh I think. Becuase ESPN now has us with five instead of four.

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ooops. Carl Nicks

OT rankings

Scouting Report

Has outstanding size and a huge frame…A terrific athlete with good quickness…Is very strong…Physical and aggressive…Gets a nice push in the run game…Light on his feet…Mobile and will get to the second level…Versatile…Still has major upside. Doesn’t have a ton of experience…Very raw and has a ways to go when it comes to technique…Has to play with better leverage…Shaky footwork & hand use…Not yet a finished product and he’ll need to be developed…Has a questionable motor.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They still don’t have us at 21 this round…

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

tampa has no 7th rounders...

all they have left is two 5th rounders…

by Jbasic89 on Apr 27, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

looks like we are drafting at 120

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep they just changed it

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like we got a fifth. They have us at 23 in the fifth with a “T”...

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Does it give a pick number?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It says this:

23 (158) From Seattle through Jacksonville and Tampa Bay

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are killing me

with updating our draft board. I updated the 7th from the last trade, but I don’t have a number from this trade yet.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Could be

picks from next year too.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why does ESPN have a camera

on this Woodhead kid? Do we care?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont know dude

D-III but he’s fast and ran for a lot of yards and did 25 reps of 225 at the combine.

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotta be

the kid of some abc, disney, espn fool

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 11:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One more (Again)

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What about trying to get John Beck?

I wonder if Billy would take Rexie in a straight swap.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 11:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going with Carl Nicks.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 11:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

mel kipers best avail

is booty…. please a qb!

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 11:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

woodson

they trade i cry

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 11:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bears on Sunday traded down five slots in the fourth round for the second time, sending the 115th pick and a sixth-round choice (No. 175) to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in exchange for the 120th pick and a fifth-round selection (No. 158). The Bears had traded the 110th pick to the Miami Dolphins for the 115th pick and a seventh-round choice (No. 208).

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So we gave up a sixth and got a fifth, plus moved down five picks.

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A safety.

We need it. Who is he? What’s his report?

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Craig Steltz

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BIOGRAPHY: All-Conference selection as a senior after becoming a full-time starter then leading LSU with 101 tackles and 6 interceptions while also breaking up 7 passes. Junior totals included 42/4/9 when he started two games.

POSITIVES: Nice sized safety that works hard on and off the field. Instinctive, quickly diagnoses the action and takes good angles to the play. Aggressive in all aspects of the game and an intimidating presence in centerfield who aggressively lays his shoulders into ball handlers. Quick in run defense and wraps up tackling.

NEGATIVES: Lacks top sideline-to-sideline range and slow getting to the flanks in coverage. Marginal closing and recovery speed.

ANALYSIS: Steltz comes off a terrific senior campaign in which he improved almost every area of his game. He does not possess the great speed yet his smarts, tenacity and ball skills makes him well suited for a zone system.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 11:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Arch was good at one point. Just not with the Bears.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like

Another Archuleta…?

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 11:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A big Hitter

oh well, whatever. This team baffles me. They draft depth before need. Seriously, though, they’re going with Dennis Dixon as the QB of the future? Didn’t they draft enough DB’s last year?

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 11:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i have a feeling

the qb of the future is drafted in about a year.

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, though...

...that just means they’re on the 2011 and beyond plan. I can wait. But I don’t kno about that long.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

yeah. fuking hell. any chance woodson is around in the 5th? the way they reach for guys i imagine they would’ve taken hm by now if they wanted him.

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that's probably what they're thinking...

...but O-line and QB take longer than any position to develop. Shouldn’t they have got that instead of safeties and RB’s that can contribute a lot sooner.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not taking brohm

tells us a lot i think, even if we don’t want to see it. is it possible they bougth into grossman’s modest improvemnt or orton’s game managability? i hope not. i will say we are making decent improvemtn in all other areas though, i would like another lineman. can’t wait to see what we come up with our 90 7th round picks.

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does.

I suppose we can hope they will aggressively pursue a veteran. It seems there is one every year or so that comes from one team to another. Cleveland will still have a problem eventually.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well we needed a safety

but not sure we needed this guy.

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 11:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I belive

brndnprkns called this one.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Draft board now updated

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can ssee some reasoning behind some of the other picks..

i can understand passing on sweed and brohm in the 2nd for a good RB….but seriously THIS?? woodson, aigne, and booty all there…i understand with question marks but heck its the 4th freakin round…we can get a safety later who wont be much worse than this guy…they better pray one of those qb’s is there in the 5th

by Sox Fan Louie on Apr 27, 2008 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The only 2 QB's

that are left that the Bears seemed interested in are Paul Smith and Colt Brennan

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by thecubreporter on Apr 27, 2008 11:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

bears should be interested in every quarterback available

they should be at local rec centers looking for a QB

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well sure

point being, that there were 4 QB’s they liked, two are gone (Flacco and Henne), two still left (Smith and Brennan), both of which should be around in the 6th and 7th.

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by thecubreporter on Apr 27, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

brennan? really?

not sure how i feel about that

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

give it to JA

he knows how to draft on defense, perhaps this guy will work out

by lawyeti on Apr 27, 2008 11:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i dont deny that JA has a good record dafting D...

but a nice 3rd string QB (woodson) who could be the answer to our prayers in 3 years when orton and grossman are both gone is a much better pick than a safety who can be had in the 5th

by Sox Fan Louie on Apr 27, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well he's still around

we’ll have to see what happens.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was considered the best S available by man

and given brown’s injury history, we really needed to get a SS. SS’s don’t have to be speed demons…FS’s do. SS’s have to be able to tackle well. i still think we should think about a OG soon. as for the QBs, i bet at least 1 or 2 of them will be around in round 5. steltz wouldn’t.

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by guy incognito on Apr 27, 2008 11:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I would like my award for calling that pick 15 minutes ago.

Look: Booty/Woodson/Brennan/etc. aren’t going anywhere at this point. Getting the extra picks to fill some more holes on the line and D doesn’t hurt. Fact is we needed a safety and Steltz was the best available. He played on a stellar Defense on a great team so you can’t knock him on that.

me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie

by brndnprkns on Apr 27, 2008 12:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kudos

And you’re probably right. I think we’re just so starved for another QB we want to see which one we can get as soon as possible.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

After that Henne/Brohm

drop off the remaining variance in quality of the QBs left isn’t that much anyway this year. We’ll get a QB today (we do only have 2 on the roster – the only team in the league with only 2 going into the draft).

me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie

by brndnprkns on Apr 27, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Murphy: Steltz is a throwback. Teams love this guy’s mentality. He was much more athletic at his workouts than most expected. His instincts and savvy should allow him to play as a rookie if Mike Brown goes down again.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 12:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

howdy all

i know this isn’t a draft filled with the big names some people want (hell, i wish we had mendenhall) but it looks like it could be a decent draft. although, does anyone else feel that after mark anderson and devin hester and a few other picks that JA tries to find a sleeper in every single pick outside the first round?

by lopey986 on Apr 27, 2008 12:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

i have not been a fan of his 2nd round drafts the last couple years. i do think they try to find sleepers a little too much. maybe they always see something though.

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bears traded back and gave up a sixth round pick to get...

...an extra fifth and an extra seventh. I like it. As long as someone didn’t go in those 11 that they wanted.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

5th round, pick 158

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a sense, I'm glad they passed on Brohm.

After they passed on Mendenhall, it gives about 80% of a chance to be angry about passing on a player.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

andrew studebaker

that is who i want us to pick. the kid is a freak; went to high school about an hour away from me and ended up at a d-3 college but all of his measurables were better than chris long and vernon ghoulston. his short shuttle time was better than ever single running backs at the combine.

by lopey986 on Apr 27, 2008 12:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

I saw him play at Wheaton, and didn’t see him dominate the game like I would expect. He looked better than average against a very average d-III school. Not exactly the kind of guy I want the bears to draft

by whitesoxmatt on Apr 27, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bears fans

that have their comments popping up on ESPN are legally retarded.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 12:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats because

all the good fans are hear.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tell you one thing

flacco at 18 sort of kills the whole “pick him up later” mentality. talk about grabbing the guy you want no matter what. i know he was all over the boards the last few months but i figured he’d be late first at best.

i couldn’t stomach all the crying yesterday so i didn’t get any initial thoughts on that here, what did you guys think of that?

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Meh?

If he fails, they’ll fall hard because they seem to be getting old. If he can come in and do well, it would be a great move.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN paraprhased

Mort: there must be some plan at qb. i have too much respect for JA to think he is really staying with grossman.

Mel: Kyle orton and rex grossman battling it out is what you have to live with in chicago…. there is no plan.

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

kiper also pointed out that

noone they draft this year (at this point) is going to help this year. i will say this, if they fill enouigh holes this year, which i think they may be doing, they can do whatever they need to do to get the vet or the first round kid they need next year.

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yabbut...

No QB’s come in and do well their rookie year. None.

Brohm doesn’t have the potential as others, but he has the shortest learning curve. He’ll be as good in 2009 as ANY rookie QB they draft next year, even if they get the No. 1 overall pick.

BTW, what does, “Do whatever they need to do to get the vet…” mean?

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ben roethlisberger

he did well, quite exceeded expectations i’d say.

however, that is an aberattion and not the norm.

by lopey986 on Apr 27, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

assuming they're picking

the same or higher next year and they’re filling less holes, they’ll have more bullets to trade if they felt they were one guy away.

rothlisberger isn’t the rule but he’s a guy who had a great team around him and let them take the lead, i think that’s a model that can be repeated if the right defense and running game are there.

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, did you guys see how far desean jackson and malcolm kelly fell?

Just as I predicted (shoulder dislocates from patting myself on the back), there was some serious value in the second round in two of the three of RB, QB and WR. Of course, the Bears reached for the RB. Ugh.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And when Forte has a great year

I’ll buy a crown and call myself The King.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great?

Okay. What’s a great year? Besides, drafting RB’s in the second round or higher is still bad business.

Quick, name the ten best running backs in the league.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So original. At one point, I thought you had something to contribute.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because...

...RB’s really are in the Dime a Dozen category. Obviously, there are supreme talents that are recognized in college like LT and AP. But other than that, RB’s are either a product of the system/O-Line. They can be had late, in a trade or in FA.

And then the Bears reached on a guy (by most all accounts) because he “produced” in college and was a good character guy. I really don’t care how good he is. Unless he’s 1200 yards rookie year good, it wasn’t worth it.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess

we should have taken a guy in the 7th round who didn’t produce in college?

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could crown yourself King of Exaggeration

if you’re looking for a crown. Does it help to put the world into extremes?

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just saying...

...there’s sort of a difference between saying a team shouldn’t reach for a guy in the second and saying they shouldn’t draft someone until the 7th. If you can’t see that….................................

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no interview by lovie or JA

because they don’t know how to answer the question of are they seriously still going with rex as the qb as the future.

i now like the steltz pick

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Me 2

LSU defence was beast last year arguably #1

by SuperBowlXX on Apr 27, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LSU's defense was great last year until Dorsey was injured.

While Dorsey was playing injured Kentucky scored 43 points and Arkansas put up 50 points.

by beardown on Apr 27, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too

if we were talking

otah/williams
brohm
running back
dt
steltz

i’d be pretty happy.

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok nice discussion

but it is time for NFLN to move on.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

fred davis and Coolie…...that was a good pick.

by SuperBowlXX on Apr 27, 2008 12:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They talked about the LSU guy on ESPN. Kiper said he is good and that this was a good late pick for the Bears.

They also talked about QB and Kiper made a good point. It doesn’t matter who they take right now because he won’t play this season. It’ll be Orton or Grossman for ‘08 at least.

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's what mikeb has been saying...

...and I don’t get it. The Bears won’t be any good this year anyway (well, not “elite” good). Just because none will contribute this year, doesn’t mean they’re all created equal. What about 2009 and beyond?

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not quite my optimal occurence

i’ve been hoping for brohm and woodson.

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay. Didn't mean to pass it off as your opinion

(although I guess I did). Just that you’ve been explaining it that way. I still don’t get it. I do, but I don’t agree.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i say all that in a world

where woodson is still available and i’m ok with him as a pick now that brohm’s gone. everything will change if they miss him.

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I think what he was trying to say is that people shouldn’t worry about “when” they take a QB in the draft becuase they won’t help this season.

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what up!

who the hell are these clowns that we drafted?

by tempchad on Apr 27, 2008 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hows it going

Medenhall went the first day they had to draft somebody else today.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry

The Millens got a WR. I was worried.

me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie

by brndnprkns on Apr 27, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We got

a good saftey…..thats all i got.

by SuperBowlXX on Apr 27, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Minnesota is up for just their second pick

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say we grab Nicks at 7 and then Booty or Woodson at 23

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Vikings

just took Booty

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lmao....

we are soooo behind the 8 ball

by SuperBowlXX on Apr 27, 2008 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Minnesota just took Booty,,,

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My friend works for the Lincoln Journal Star....

....and covers Husker football, (he has to watch the whole draft today to call the players drafted).

he said Nicks is lazy and that might have shown to scouts. Plus, he had a recent arrest and was banned from Nebraska’s Pro Day by Pellini. Add to it that he’s really, really raw…

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok

scratch Nicks then.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok now we have to take Woodson at 7..

right??? or am i just getting desperate here?

by Sox Fan Louie on Apr 27, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no reason not to

we have addressed needs at all positions

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like they may have a QB battle if Jackson struggles…

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure what teams would want him between seven and twenty-three. It depends on that. Carolina might be interested in him at number six right before us.

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops

This goes with the Woodson comment…

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was just looking at that too

i think carolina would be more than happy to pick him up there if he fell to them..

by Sox Fan Louie on Apr 27, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kiper (and most others) say he needs the West Coast Offense to succeed.

I don’t like him either, but if he is going to succeed, at least he’s on the right team.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Woodson better than Booty…

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We just missed out

on many years worth of joke headlines, though.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just looked up Bennett!!!!

SHORT AND SLOW!!!!!!

4.51 AAAAAARRRRRGGG!!!!!!!

FUCK!!!!

by tempchad on Apr 27, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You obviously

Haven’t watched this.

He loves his family.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will KC or Carolina be interested in Woodson?

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys I slept in

somebody catch me up

-leopoldjones

by leopoldjones on Apr 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bears took Ear Bennett in the third and made two trades for picks in the fourth before taking a safety.

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Earl*

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah..

Kiper seemed pretty high on Marcus Harrison, the DT that we took.

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Forte SLOW!!!!!

4.59!!!!!!

Slow!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK!!!!!!!!

by tempchad on Apr 27, 2008 12:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not what i read

Mendenhall, Rashard 4.45
Forte, Matt 4.46

nfl.com

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If this is true

then i take it back.

100%. But i read +4.5

by tempchad on Apr 27, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He ran a 4.46 at the combine

me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie

by brndnprkns on Apr 27, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I saw 4.46 as the fastest.

He’s fast, but not “separation” fast. It depends on his “turn-the-corner” ability, which scouts, inc. didn’t like.
He’ll be good, but not great.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty happy with the whole draft. We have addressed some big needs.

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Even if they don’t get a QB, it’s still a good draft. I just think it could have been excellent.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Getting some good depth.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked what I saw of him on the ESPN highlights that they did when they talked about him. He’s from a good D at LSU too.

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

i really like the panthers draft…if they got woodson here id be very envious

by Sox Fan Louie on Apr 27, 2008 12:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They have that Oregon State guy that was a rookie, but I’m not sure how high they are on him. We’ll see I guess.

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by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so...

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's my feeling

me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie

by brndnprkns on Apr 27, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we don't

take him, we do have the 23rd in this round too.

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

if we don't draft a guard

is beekman the starter? are there any guards worth drafting at this point?

"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Apr 27, 2008 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

curveball!

me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie

by brndnprkns on Apr 27, 2008 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Zack Bowman

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A random defensive guy is right…

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

mike b is right.

They don’t even want a QB in this draft. Seriously. They DON’T even WANT one.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

seems to be the case

But there are still a lot of guys left like Woodson, Dixon, Josh Johnson, Paul Smith, Haney, etc.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this pissed me off

no reason not to get woodson here.

by mike b on Apr 27, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they shouldnt take a qb in this draft

after brohm there wasnt/isnt really much there

-leopoldjones

by leopoldjones on Apr 27, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they refuse to admit the were wrong about grossman

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate when they do this. They always just keep taking defensive guys. I’d rather see them keep drafting WR if anything.

"Don't take anything for granted, because tomorrow is not promised to any of us."

by Twins Territory on Apr 27, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously...

...why can’t they load up on offensive guys.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4.39

is fast but COME ON! We have Vasher, Tillman, McBride!

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 1:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

never mind

hes has had a hamstring and 2 knee injuries…...WTF?

by SuperBowlXX on Apr 27, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From my friend, who covers the Huskers professionally...

um, when he’s been healthy, he was a pretty good player. he was supposed to be a first-round talent, but had two major knee surgeries before his senior year

some anaylsts have said he could be a steal late in the draft

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 1:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not really a curveball

people here are so sure we are taking a QB, that anything other surprises them.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True

I think we have some serious blinders on right now.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where you at Chad?

You have to like a 4.39.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

after

it was at the combine and injuries were before his senior year

by whitesoxmatt on Apr 27, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See

you can never have enough good corners.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Murphy: The Bears roll the dice on the two surgically repaired knees of Bowman. He has ideal size and was able to still run 4.4 or better at his Pro Day. At one time he carried a first-round grade.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Good: The big rangy senior cornerback made a successful return to the field for the 2007 season after dealing with knee injuries the past two springs. He is a well-built athlete who combines height, speed, quickness, body control and toughness. He has good speed to recover in the deep game and the quickness to break on the ball in the shorter patterns. He can be a physical defender who can jam the receiver off the line and compete for the jump ball situations.

The Bad: He does not show that physical game in run support, though he is a reliable tackler. He can struggle to recover if beaten early on the down.

Outlook: He is a marginal top-125 prospect with the tools to help as a nickel corner and possibly start in time if he answers the critical medical issues. Bowman is a good middle-round gamble with big upside if healthy. Clubs like the Chiefs, Saints, Cardinals and Broncos are interested in him.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

a little of the topic but what do you guys think about no guard drafted, are we gonna start Beekman or lour best receiver last year John St. Clair

by SamuraiMike50 on Apr 27, 2008 1:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

so by the way we have handled this offseason

i have been under the assumption that this is going to be a rebuilding year. and im ok with that, seriously. but how do you go into a rebuilding year without a young qb to be molding and taking through the process…now i understand we still have picks and theres still guys available…but…

woodson has 1st day talent…he is the kind of guy who you are more than happy to take in the 3rd or 4th and who you are giddy if u can steal in the 5th… kindoff like minesota did with booty.

he’s not flashy. he’s just a project with a lot of upside. sure our defense struggled. sure our defensive backs were a mess last year. brown and vasher had injuries and our young guys were not terribly impressive. i understand JA and Lovie seeing we need help here. but at this point. when all ur drafting is projects. and u can draft a pretty good one at a position of need. WHY THE FUCK do you draft another defensive player. Someone help me understand.

by Sox Fan Louie on Apr 27, 2008 1:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i guess what confuses me is

why when u can take a project db or a project qb…u take the db when qb is clearly the big issue…

did we not extend tillman and vasher just last summer?

by Sox Fan Louie on Apr 27, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mayock just keeps getting better

too tired of Pacman to even talk about him. Now if we can get that to carry over to everyone else.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mayock

is scrappy and wirey. All he has to do is stay away from Dukes for a round and then Dukes will tire out and Mayock will light him up.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

woodson has a loooong release thats what scares scouts

by SamuraiMike50 on Apr 27, 2008 1:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

damn

mayock just called Dukes fat. Sweet!

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So what about trading for a QB next year?

Matt Cassell, John Beck, Brady Quinn/Derek Anderson are just a few that should/might be available.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 1:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

with the 1st pick in the 2009 nfl draft

i just threw up in my mouth a little

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady Quinn would be fantastic

I wonder what it would take to get him?

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how can you say that?

he could suck still. until he plays we have no idea about this kid.

by tempchad on Apr 27, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not if we've seen them play

i’m saying that you can’t say that Brady Quinn would be ‘fantastic”.

by tempchad on Apr 27, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

Quinn can really flip his hips.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on D.A. this year.

If he does great (he ended up not so hot overall last year) and becomes a franchise type, then Quinn could easily be available for a 3rd round pick.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

I just want somebody at this point.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have 5 7th rounders

can we not trade up and get somebody?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks (reply)

i (reply) had (reply) forgotten (reply) about (reply) that (reply).

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny

Think he gets it?

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

what the hell is that Mia Hamm Gatorade commerical supposed to mean? What does duckpin bowling have to do with anything?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

c'mon

nomarrrrr!

-leopoldjones

by leopoldjones on Apr 27, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 7th round picks for peyton manning sounds fair to me

by SamuraiMike50 on Apr 27, 2008 1:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Doc

that doesn’t look like any New Jersey I have seen. Are you sure that footage was from NJ?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There was a Come to NJ

commercial. I have been to Jersey a number of times, but I’ve never seen anything that nice looking and pretty. The showed families casually strolling down the steet and merry go rounds. Is there a parallel NJ universe somewhere?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For your information

there are several beautiful areas of New Jersey. We’re not one of the richest states in the union for nothing!

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just realized

that the nfln uses the same music as madden 08

-leopoldjones

by leopoldjones on Apr 27, 2008 1:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

challenge anyone on 360

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are scared its ok tho

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich

by 234L on Apr 27, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again

There is no one between now and our pick that wants a QB. Is this a pipe dream or are we going to finally grow a pair and take a chance on one of these flunkies?

by GallopingGhost on Apr 27, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just want

a top notch hip-flipper.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to admit it

but I think that caveman dances better than I do.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We can

any reason why?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well its lagging really bad for me

i dk about the rest of you… and my computers not that bad

by Jbasic89 on Apr 27, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

it’s getting pretty slow.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mine is working pretty well

and I have an awful connection

"snuffalufagus fucks my shit up"

by leopoldjones on Apr 27, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

holy crap

NE just traded UP.

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kiper had a punter

on his best available before any of the remaining QBs?

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

this was probably covered earlier

but Woodson was supposed to be a first round pick, right?

by tempchad on Apr 27, 2008 1:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A few months ago

I saw a lot of mocks that had us taking him at 14.

by Doctor Chicago on Apr 27, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea there were a bunch of mock drafts

that had us taking him at 14 early on

by Jbasic89 on Apr 27, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

is it just his release that has dropped him so far

"snuffalufagus fucks my shit up"

by leopoldjones on Apr 27, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

I HAVE CREATED A NEW POST, EVERYBODY ROLL OVER TO IT.

THANKS!

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by Adam T on Apr 27, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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