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A Look at the 2009 Quarterback Situation

You may not have heard the news, but the Bears didn’t select a quarterback in this year’s draft, despite everyone’s speculation that they would either select one of the top QBs such as Chad Henne or Brian Brohm if they fell to them in the second round, or at least select a project player like Andre Woodson, Josh Johnson, or Kevin O’Connell.  It seems that every Bears fan you speak to would have felt a lot better about the 2008 draft if a signal-caller was selected somewhere in the first 5 rounds.  Even if the guy didn’t pan out as a pro, hey, at least the organization is trying.  But, that didn’t happen, and none of us have any idea why.  The only reasonable explanation is that Jerry, Lovie, and company didn’t believe that any of the QBs in this year’s class were going to amount to anything more than backups, and that the true franchise guy would have to be found at some other point.  Obviously, free agency isn’t the answer this year.  We did sign a couple of undrafted kids, but nobody can honestly expect them to have so much hidden star potential that 32 teams couldn’t see it through 7 rounds. 

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So what are our options?  Let's start with free agency next year.  Maybe Angelo could look for the answer there?  Well, here’s a look at the list of 2009 free-agent quarterbacks:

  • Kurt Warner
  • Kyle Boller
  • Matt Cassel
  • Kerry Collins
  • Trent Dilfer
  • Charlie Batch
  • Charlie Frye
  • Jeff Garcia
  • Quinn Gray
  • Gibran Hamdan
  • Byron Leftwich
  • J.P. Losman
  • Luke McCown
  • Patrick Ramsey
  • Chris Simms
  • Anthony Wright

Not a very mouth-watering group, the only potentially decent options being J.P. Losman and Matt Cassel.  Losman’s career so far has definitely been a roller-coaster ride in Buffalo, and he lost his job to rookie Trent Edwards at the end of the season.  And if Chicago did indeed sign him next year, would you really be genuinely excited about it, or just feel that it’s a lateral move? As for Cassel, the simple fact that he's Tom Brady's backup is getting him attention.  The truth is, he was a 7th-round pick in 2005, and has had very limited game experience in a garbage time blowout and a meaningless season finale.  He’s as unknown a commodity as you can get, and it would take a big leap of faith to assume that he’s any more suited to be a franchise quarterback than an undrafted rookie would be.  Chris Simms may also be an appealing name to some, but it's becoming pretty clear that he's not his father, and is a good backup at best.

So the 2009 free-agent crop looks pretty dismal, with no guy you’d want the Bears to really seriously pursue.  Granted, that list may change with off-season cuts, but they can’t be predicted. There is also a slight, probably very slight, possibility that the Bears could trade for a quarterback.  Although that would pretty much go against everything Jerry Angelo has done in the past, let’s just speculate on what could happen.  But who could the Bears possibly want and/or get?  A couple of options include Brady Quinn (who got drafted as the Browns savior but is now on the outside looking in with the emergence of Derek Anderson) and Donovan McNabb (whose name always gets bandied around in Chicago trade rumors because of hometown ties, but he’s definitely on the downslope of his career, and can’t stay healthy).  Apart from that, there are guys who have been in the league a while who seem just on the verge of breaking out but haven’t accomplished it yet, such as Tampa Bay’s Josh McCown and San Francisco’s Shaun Hill.  But would any of these guys be worth a gamble?  Quinn maybe, but the Browns could ask for a steep price, and his bust potential is still up in the air. 

That leaves us with the 2009 draft as the next opportunity to find the next Sid Luckman.  Judging from the early look at this group, there could absolutely be the Bears’ franchise guy in there, and we’ll have an even better judgment after the upcoming college season is over.  Obviously, this isn’t a complete list, just some of the guys who stand out at the moment:  

Tim Tebow – Florida

6’3” – 233 lbs.

2007 season: 3,286 yards – 32 TDs – 6 INTs – 172.5 rating

895 rushing yards – 23 rushing TDs 

Yeah, here’s another Florida QB.  Here’s a guy who’s probably a gimmick, and his style may or may not transfer to the pro level.  And here’s a guy who scored 55 touchdowns in one season.  Fifty-five.  Even half that kind of production would be a very welcome site for the Bears.  Tebow is a type of QB that nobody has really seen before.  You want to compare him to Michael Vick?  Vick’s final college season numbers were 1,234 passing yards, 8 TDs, 6 INTs, 617 rushing yards, and 8 rushing TDs.  That’s not even close to Tebow’s production.  You want to compare him to fellow Florida alum Rex Grossman?  Grossman’s final college season numbers were 3,402 passing yards, 22 TDs, and 17 INTs.  Similar in yards, not similar in TDs/INTs, although Grossman did rush for -65 yards and 1 touchdown.  The Florida argument is definitely understandable, but this kid looks like he’s in a whole other league than past Gator QBs. 

Video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qn30J3KePDg 

 

Sam Bradford – Oklahoma

6’5” – 214 lbs.

2007 season: 3,121 yards – 36 TDs – 8 INTs – 176.5 rating 

Bradford may actually be a better pure passer than Tebow.  Of course, his numbers are very impressive, but especially if you realize that they're from his freshman year.  Now, since he’ll only be coming out of his sophomore year next year, there’s no guarantee that he’ll actually declare for the draft, but if he can equal or better his stats, it would be a huge surprise if he didn’t. 

Video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=V3WqkNBZt7M 

 

Matthew Stafford – Georgia

6’3” – 237 lbs.

2007 season: 2,523 yards – 19 TDs – 10 INTs – 55.7% –128.9 rating

Stafford’s numbers aren’t exactly remarkable, but scouts are calling him probably the most NFL-ready quarterback to come out of college in years.  He has a big arm and good mobility, and is entering his third year as the starter at Georgia.  With pro-level coaching he could become a star. 

Video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cc2hGodkPqw

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r96vm751oKs 

 

Chase Daniel – Missouri

6’0” – 225 lbs.

2007 season: 4,306 yards – 33 TDs – 11 INTs – 68.2% – 147.9 rating

At only 6 feet tall, Daniel lacks the ideal height of an NFL QB, but so does Drew Brees.  Daniel’s yardage numbers at Missouri in 2007 were outstanding, and he was a major reason why the Tigers had such a surprisingly good year, as well as being a finalist for the Heisman. 

Video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=B-uHRh9zgAQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qbdMojDpPPk 

 
Curtis Painter – Purdue

6’4” – 230 lbs.

2007 season: 3,846 yards – 29 TDs – 11 INTs – 62.6% – 132.3 rating

Painter is a prototypical NFL quarterback with a very quick release. Painter caught everyone’s attention at the 2007 Motor City Bowl, where completed 35 of 54 passes for 546 yards and three touchdowns against Central Michigan.  However, if he’s drafted by the Bears, there’s no way he’ll be able to shake comparisons to Kyle Orton if he gets off to a rough start. 

Video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=OOF6Fvfn9_c 

 

Cullen Harper – Clemson

6’4” – 220 lbs.

2007 season: 2,991 yards – 27 TDs – 6 INTs – 65.1% – 140.9 rating

Harper enjoyed a breakout season in 2007 for Clemson.  However, three starters on his offensive line have left, so we’ll see if he’ll truly be able to step up and win in the 2008 campaign. 

Video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9_LM-wbY8l4 

 

Todd Boeckman – Ohio State

6’5” – 244 lbs.

2007 season: 2,379 yards – 25 TDs – 14 INTs – 63.9% – 148.9 rating

Boeckman is a big pocket passer with an absolute cannon for an arm, the only problem is that he moves about as well as a cannon, too.  He’ll also be 25 before the 2009 season starts, which will probably cause him to slide.  

Video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9yMl-oBpFSw

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M8VRtr2HGLw (Boeckman highlights start at :58) 

 

Nate Davis – Ball State

6’2” – 214 lbs.

2007 season: 3,667 yards – 30 TDs – 6 INTs – 56.5% - 139.13 rating

Davis is a solid athlete who rewrote Ball State’s record books in 2007 in only his second season.  He had 5 games of 300 passing yards or more and put up 422 against Nebraska. 

Video (only ones I could find, sorry): http://youtube.com/watch?v=dsmtYxZPasw

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xztF3XVV2TQ 

 

Hunter Cantwell – Louisville

6’5” – 230 lbs.

2007 season: 79 yards – 0 TDs – 1 INT – 57.1% – 90.3 rating

Cantwell seems to have the skills to succeed at the pro level, but lacks the experience, sitting behind Brian Brohm the past few seasons.  But when he has had a chance to take the field, he’s looked good.  His 2008 campaign will be the true test of his NFL potential. 

Video: Only this video, which showcases his toughness…

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cKd54zCh5C8

So how likely are we to grab any of these guys?  This is where not drafting a quarterback this year is a positive.  If you think of the other NFL teams with shaky QB situations several of them (Atlanta, Baltimore, Green Bay, Miami, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, NY Jets) did in fact select a quarterback in this year’s draft whom they hope to groom for the future.  This leaves Chicago in the position of one of the few teams who would be willing to use a first-round pick on a quarterback in the 2009 draft, with Kansas City being the only other team (unless San Francisco throws in the towel on Alex Smith) who may possibly want to use a high pick on a quarterback due to desperate need (and if Brodie Croyle happens to have a good season, things may change).  So it actually looks like the Bears should at the very least be able to grab one of the top three quarterbacks in the 2009 class.  Obviously, the slot where Chicago will pick will be determined by their play this season, and right now the line between playoff contenders and rebuilding mode is very thin.  A guy like Tebow will no doubt go in the top five picks just based on his potential alone, especially if one of the top five teams have quarterbacks who are aging, so unless the Bears completely fall apart this season and happen to be one of those top five teams, some trading up will have to occur to get Tebow, and Jerry Angelo has shown no willingness to do that whatsoever. So Chicago will likely stay where they are and select the top guy who falls to them, like Bradford or Stafford.  Even then, it will likely take a year or two for the guy picked to be ready to start with confidence, since throwing a rookie straight into the fire rarely works out well, giving us another possible two seasons with Grossman/Orton or whatever non-elite free-agent QB the Bears happen to pick up. 

A lot can happen in a year.  Good quarterbacks could be surprising cap cuts, or Kyle Orton could suddenly find his groove and pass for 4,000 yards and 60 touchdowns.  In all likelihood, the search for a franchise QB is far from over, but it will happen one day, and when it does, we’ll be glad we took the right guy at the right time.

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JA doesent know what to look for in a QB therefore even if one landed on his face he’d draft defence and say that even though he didnt draft a QB he feels comfortable in his decision and feels good about the upcomming season.

by SuperBowlXX on May 5, 2008 8:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll point out that Bradford will be a redshirt sophomore.

It should be assumed since you have to wait three years to come out, but just wanted to put it out there. He won’t be 21 until November.

An aside rant: This is why I don’t get that “Well, there was no one to help this year” bullshit reasoning. Who does? Someone name me a QB that came in during their rookie year and performed well. Trent Edwards (who I wanted the Bears to take in the third)? Meh. Vince Young? His team had success and he was “clutch”. But overall? Individually? Nah. Cutler? In five games, he wasn’t bad. Roethlisberger? Okay, so he’s the only one, and he was put in a highly-favorable situation. Alex Smith? Jason Campbell? Eli Manning? Phillip Rivers.

Okay, so they aren’t always spectacularly bad, but rarely does a rookie QB ever finish as an even “average” QB in the NFL. You never draft a QB to help that first year. Sheesh!!!

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by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you

according to ja we didnt take a qb because we were using our later draft picks on startes as opposed to using them on a developmental qb, that may never contribute. I prefer that than to just picking up a qb just because everyone says we should.

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by leopoldjones on May 5, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont want to hear you cry

when we suck at the qb position again and then we are still back another year for a change at QB. instead of having a guy sit a year and come in if needed. I know the Qb’s we have drafted and undrafted
think they can make it in this league but seriously do you think they can help us even later? We have 2 bums that will screw up this year and we will need to have a qb some what familiar with the offence and have to draft a qb who isint at all ready and make him sit and screw up next year too. its better to look ahead then at the present.

by SuperBowlXX on May 5, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't think you gusy are reading him right

“This is why I don’t get that "Well, there was no one to help this year" bullshit reasoning.”

tyger’s was advocating drafting a guy all day saturday and sunday, and has been saying all along they should have gotten one for 2-3 years down the road

by mike b on May 5, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know what he ment

my reply was to jonesey there stating that we need starters now at other positions insted of drafting a guy to mold later. Even Booty would had been a steal in the 5th just cuz he ran a pro style offence in college. Personally I would rather have taken a chance on a heathy QB than drafting a DB with 2 bad knees and a blocking TE who really cant catch.

by SuperBowlXX on May 5, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good point

I don’t understand why we didn’t draft a QB in the 5th or later. I know that will suprise some of you, but I’m for trying, but not early. I love who we drafted in rounds 1-4. I think they make our team better today and for the future. I think they all have a lot of talent and should be pushing to start – some this year, some next. Drafting Booty in round 5 would have been a good risk, even if it didn’t work out we still got all the guys in rounds 1-4 and we took a shot.

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, that would have been fine with me, too.

I just wanted them to take somebody.

I really think Brohm has a bright future, though.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me 2.....bret type gun slinger

shows you that even GB who has favre’s predicesor comming in have a back up plan. lets say that our #1 and #2 string get hurt at the same time, which could happen
Hill and Hanie have to be thrown into the fire. this scares me, cuz if he has a bad start to his career he could be shell shocked for the rest of it.

by SuperBowlXX on May 5, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by mike b on May 5, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you rather

have drafted

1 Williams
2 Brohm
3 and then who
3
4

Brohm does us no good this year (of course we have to prepare for the future). Then even lower grade RB a full round later that may not be able to start. What was the worse position last year running back or QB. I remember all QBs giving us an opportunity to win every game last year (except Dallas) even though the defense gave up a ton of points, the running game didn’t exist, our line was horrible, and our receivers dropped passes.

Were our QBs great. Nope, but they were able to keep us in every game. If our defense is better and our line is better (if, I know), and I running game is better. Don’t you think that those two have a better chance to help us win this year than they did last year. Throw in Olsen in his second year and Hester providing even more big score possibilities.

All three of those QB’s were trying to win from behind in every game. The defense was giving up crazy points late in games and that is part of the reason why throws get forced and ints happen. No they are amazing but they may become solid. I want my team to have a defense and workable offensive parts before bringing in a qb.

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm really not interested in winning games this year.

They’re bottom-half-of-the-league team no matter who they get. Rebuilding takes at least one year.

And I’ve written this about a thousand times, but: Williams, Brohm, Charles and Caldwell was my pre-draft (about a week) Wish LIst. And it could have happened. Then they could have gotten whomever the Raiders discarded (since they drafted a 4th) which would be Rhodes. And there are always cuts and trades in Training Camp.

I like a backfield of Rhodes, Charles and Benson nearly as much Forte, Benson and A-Pete. And I love Brohm in the QB mix way more than Hill and Hanie. Caldwell might be a downgrade from Bennet, but he’s still good.

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by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree about charles over forte'

when a back’ best assets are BLOCKING, catching the ball exceptionally well out of the backfield, and is known as a 3 down back this tells me that he can do it all well. id take that over some one who only does one thing well like short yardage or have to create plays in space for him.

by SuperBowlXX on May 5, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With your cut theory

Maybe Sims gets cut, we pick him up and get a guy that actually isn’t a rookie, has started in the NFL, and is still developing. That sounds better than any rookie. I’m not in love with Simms, but he may be the best option available. Maybe the guy can still play? I’m sure if we get rid of Rex this year, someone with think the same about him.

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

from what i hear

no one is offering anything better thatn a 6 or 7th round pick, so they are talking like they plan to keep him. 5 QB’s on the roster. lol . I agree Simms is the best available FA. Played with a ruptured spleen, ouch, now THATS tough. not just getting sacked.

by SuperBowlXX on May 5, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

about rebuilding taking over a year. That is only true if you have a bad GM. Green Bay went from horrible to the playoffs in a year, and they are not the only example by any stretch. You can gain or drop 5 wins a year based on how strong an off-season you have.

Also, I like Forte better than Charles because Forte has the potential to be a complete running back. He’s the only one after Mendenhall and Stewart that fit that bill, imo. We already have Wolfe to be a change-of-pace guy, so I’m not sure how Charles would’ve fit in here.

I do like Brohm though. The things that pissed me off most during the draft this year was Angelo’s chicken-shit fear that prevented him from trading up with Buffalo to get Clady, and not trading back up in the second to get Brohm.

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by tomas21 on May 5, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you would

also rather start over now and waste the next 2-3 years and then see if it worked like we did with Cade and Rex.

I don’t want to start over and wait and see. Rex is similar to Brett. He can score points and he can loose games for you. We are fortunate that our D and ST can help us win some of those games he looses. I even think Rex is starting to protect the ball better. He was on pace last year for 7 less picks and that was when he was put in a war zone in the backfield. That is improvement protecting the ball.

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well you have to groom a QB in the modern NFL

just cant throw him to the wolves and expect him to excell

by SuperBowlXX on May 5, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what

was his td pace?

by mike b on May 5, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was waiting for that

Good point, but let’s be honest. He wasn’t throwing the ball to himself. Berrian dropped way too many passes, Moose only had one leg and no heart, and Hester hardly played in the first 3 games. He likely wouldn’t have been the difference maker anyway.

I think the picks being down shows that when something isn’t there he was more patient and didn’t force it. And he did it when there were lots of times that nothing was there.

What do you think his numbers would look like if he QB’d the Colts, Cardinals, Patriots, Bengals, or some team with a line and good receivers. Think about who he has been throwing to and also his level of experience.

Mike b and SuperBowlXX can you both agree last year was an incredibly difficult year for Grossman to show that he had improved?

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think

most qbs would look good with those lines. it wouldn’t make them anything special though.

and the better question is can the guy handle it when things aren’t perfect, since that is the more likely scenario. i have nothign showign me he can.

i am all for not using last years stats as some sort of evaluation on any of the qbs or rbs, as long as its all of the year. even after the benching.

by mike b on May 5, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is fair on the last part

I would love to throw the whole year away for the QB’s. It wasn’t a fair year to evaluate progress.

I disagree that most QBs would look good. When QBs get hit and get hit often they look bad, they make mistakes, they aren’t comfortable, the don’t get into rhythm, ie the Superbowl and the Colts loosing SD and Pittsburgh in playoff games. Mannings worst games are the ones where he doesn’t have time.

How would they handle it when things aren’t perfect. Well with no receivers of any value last year, no running game, and getting pounded, Rex through considerably less picks. He didn’t throw TD s either and a lot of it had to do with not having weapons or time to throw. I think that is respectable for a second year starter or anyone really.

We always think about Mannings and Palmers and Bradys but those guys all have played every down of their career with a good line. Brady is the only one who played with poor receivers and it was when he was already great. Look Kurt Warner, Marc Bulger, Big Ben and Derick Anderson. When guys get a great line and great receivers they make it in this league. It isn’t a guarantee but the odds go way up. Think about it.

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait a second

those same receivers got him to a super bowl two years earlier, so i wouldn’t dismiss them as having no value. in fact, it was quite literally a super bowl receivering core even if it really wasn’t.

a quarterback has to be able to play with some pressure. there isn’t a qb in the league who wouldn’t preform well with a great line, they wouldn’t even be in the league. no rush is basically practice, and they’ve been practicing their entire lives. (ok so the the worst of the worst would still suck, but they’re not options anyway)

rex is 6ft nothing and came out of school with questionable desicion making and mechanincs. not sure an oline will fix that, and if you are going to stick with him until you get that indy or pats line then you’ll be stuck with himfor what? 2 more years then the “real evaluation” can begin? but then, shit, the defense isn’t as good so we can’t really hold that against him…..so once we get a better d we can REALLY tell…but he played behind in that game so that didn’t count…..

not every quarterback who has been run out of the league had a shot with a great team around them and failed in spite of it, you have to show something in an unperfect scenario as reason to keep you around. to some people apparently he has shown that, i can’t say I agree.

he threw less picks because he played less games. he was still on pace for more turnovers than scores. i will say his decision making was better and i would love for him to suddenly get it since it would fill a hole, but i don’t see it happeneing. and of course, there is the small issue that he gets hurt all the damn time meaning you must have someone else on the team with enough reps.

by mike b on May 5, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like you injury point

That is pretty important. I think we both agree that he would do well do well on a team with a great line. I’m not waiting on a great line, but it needs to be average again. In my eyes he was basically a rookie 2 years ago because he didn’t have much game time experience. He was the Aaron Rodgers situation where he had learned the plays but hadn’t seen the pass rush of the NFL or the coverages live. He had ups and downs and had a lot to work on in the off season. He comes in last year and got pummeled and the receivers dropped the ball way too much. Rex reverts to Savior complex and forced some throws. That is what he does. Then he gets benched and wakes up. Comes back in and still sees a ton of pressure, but decides no matter what he isn’t going to try to win the game on his own. He makes the for sure play and does his job. That is what I saw.

I completely disagree that the line wasn’t great. It was horrible and that must be a factor. If Aaron Rodgers has that line he sucks this year, but he won’t. The Green Bay line is pretty descent. So are the receivers.

Moose played completely different in 2006 compared to 2007. I hope you saw that. In fact he flat out sucked in 2005 with Orton. He doesn’t try unless the offense is clicking. 2006 he was a quality possession receiver. Berrian was up and down. He made some amazing plays and dropped some critical easy plays. i will never forget him dropping a wide open TD from Grossman. That was the beginning of many drops from Berrian. 06 and 07 were completely different performances from those two. We also sub an inconsistent Hester for Davis who made clutch catches in 06. I give the receiving group in 06 a B and the same guys plus Hester and Olsen in 07 a C-.

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they completely mismanaged the receievrs

and neither the wrs or rex did each other any favors.

i don’t think i said the line was anything but garbage, if i did it was a typo. noone can argue that.

by mike b on May 5, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sounded that way

I guess I disagree then that average or even a little above average QBs will put up good numbers on a year with a garbage line. I don’t see it. Especially when they are only playing in their second season as a starter.

Maybe Rex didn’t give them a ton of great throws, which was going to be tough considering what kind of pass rush he was seeing and the lack of respect for our running game (remember SD calling out Benson in training camp). But that is no excuse for not playing hard or catching the ball when it hits you in the hands.

All in all that offense was completely broken with 0 bright spots. I have hope that the line will be somewhat better and the running game somewhat better. I definitely believe new receivers will all be trying to prove their value and will play hard. I think this will be a good year to evaluate whatever QB’s are playing. I also think we will have a solid if not great defense this year. Hopefully Tommy stays healthy. All that plays into how well this team will play and what kind of situation you put your QB. Is he trying to score points, manage games, come back, etc. You will get different results in all those situations.

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i didn't say that either

“I guess I disagree then that average or even a little above average QBs will put up good numbers on a year with a garbage line. I don’t see it. Especially when they are only playing in their second season as a starter.”

only thing i can find remotely similiar to that is this:

“there isn’t a qb in the league who wouldn’t preform well with a great line, they wouldn’t even be in the league. no rush is basically practice, and they’ve been practicing their entire lives. (ok so the the worst of the worst would still suck, but they’re not options anyway)”

our line wasn’t a great line, i’m refering to the line everyone thinks we need to have beofre we can properly evaluate grossman.

by mike b on May 5, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

our line sucked yes...but

he cant even take the snap from a Pro Bowl center. if he could do that and kee the int’s in single didgets hed be pretty good. BUT

by SuperBowlXX on May 5, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give it up dude.

Everyone fumbled Kruetz snaps. I saw Brett Farve fumbling snaps this year that cost his team a win against the Cardinals when Kurt Warner fumbled the snap in the same game. Grossman didn’t turn the ball over on one fumbled snap and I think it is obvious that Kruetz is the problem. I heard Jim Miller talking about having problems with his snaps on 670 The Score out of Chicago. Get over it dude. He did not have a problem fumbling the snap in the 2007 season. There was one snap and he recovered it.

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might cry if rex has his head up his ass again

maybe I have had too much of the koolaid, but I really loved this draft, at first I was in shock and pissed off, if any of you guys remember the draft thread I was right with you guys when we passed brohm and when we kept passing woodson, I didnt want booty. But after about a day or so when I started reading about the new guys we got and more specifically the guys we didnt get ( brohm woodson booty henne, so happy we didnt draft him, he is gonna be so bad) I think JA did the right thing. I think JA doesn’t see our future in those guys, and doesnt see any reason to bring them in, instead he wants to bring in people he think can start (I dont know about the TE I guess he wants to replace gilmore but I dont know why he would do it at that point in the draft).

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by leopoldjones on May 5, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why was anything written about matt cassel

I know you said that he is probably nothing but, why did you even decide to put him in the post along with losman, I can think of at least 3 people on your list more promising than matt cassel.

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by leopoldjones on May 5, 2008 11:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If the bears had chosen a QB in the later rounds

They still would probably have to draft a QB in the high rounds next year… I say fill the other holes on the team…. cuz the bears have two playoff QBs, dont be so quick to crash on them. They both have led the team into the playoffs, albeit behind a great defense. As we all know Offense wins games, Defense wins championships look back at 85 and tell me any difference…. the punky qb was no hall of famer…....

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by Thirdrock on May 5, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Zach Bowman is hardly filling a hole.

The rest of your comments are meaningless and sort of funny.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, didn't we suck at CB last year

Oh yes, we had one injury to Nate Vasher and spent half the year trying figure out what to do. I think adding a guy who can help strengthen that position in case of an injury is extremely important. Just as important as making sure that Archaleta doesn’t ever start again. The third problem with our defense was lack of depth at DT. All three of those areas were strengthen through this years draft. Hopefully, we don’t see Bowman this year and he keeps developing before he has to play.

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They didn't have a freaking 3rd QB.

A third QB, when the first two already suck, is way more important than a 5th CB, when the first two are pro-bowl caliber, and are locked up for the future. CB was NOT a need. Try again.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CB was definitely

a need last year, and the end of ‘06 when BOTH were hurt for periods of time and we put Devin fucking Hester in there to get schooled by Torry Holt (fortunately he made up for that).

CB is definitely a need if Ricky Manning Jr. is not living up to the hype, which he is not. They want a new nickel CB to compete with Manning and someone that can come in and actually provide a spark on defense if Tillman or Vasher get hurt. They also need to find someone to replace Ayanbadejo. That could be a CB, S, or LB (or even one of the WR). I think our aim is to keep relying on special teams to give us tremendous field position, and with a half-way decent line this season and without CB (hopefully) maybe we can actually move the damn ball the 40-60 yards needed to get in the endzone.

It seems to me Jerry and Co. thought the caliber of QB they would be getting in the 4th round+ would be the same as the undrafted guys they had already talked to. Last year they brought in Chris Leak and he looked terrible from the get-go. This year they bring in two guys, who by all accounts, don’t even if it is just rookie minicamp.

by mikebdot on May 5, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Vasher still fat?

Maybe JA saw him lately and noticed he hasn’t shed his “injury” weight; he figured he’d need another CB.

by MuleTrain on May 5, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right. Last year. When they drafted two CB's and a S.

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by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um k

If Ricky Manning Jr. can’t play starting CB and we opt for a rookie (or a converted safety) over him, that says a lot.

Plus, like you said, both Vasher and Tillman are locked into big money contracts. If they get hurt or underperform then we can cut them in favor of the younger kids before their cap hit becomes huge in year 4 or 5 of their deals. You have to look into the future at positions where you are paying “big” money.

At QB both Orton and Grossman are short term options anyway, unless they wow us. Otherwise, we need to find the future of the franchise. JA didn’t see it in any of the players after we picked Forte, or at least didn’t see the probability as being any larger than picking up the undrafted free agents we thought would probably be available. You have yet to address that logic.

by mikebdot on May 5, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Chris Leak apparently was trying out for the Kansas City Chiefs. I bet $5 with my friend that he wouldn’t be a good QB and my friend said he would. But he hates the Bears and would love to see any QB we dumped be successful with someone else.

by GallopingGhost on May 5, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you liked the CB situation last year.

My apologies. Manning Jr. couldn’t cover. We are trying to stay young on defense and keep adding depth so we never have a bad defense. I’m for it. Make a new point and quit repeating yourself on every post. Try again.

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They drafted two CB's last year.

Corey Graham and Trumaine McBride call your bluff.

7 CBs and 2 mediocre QB’s—the way to be a champion alright!!! Whoohoo!!!

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No matter how many

guys we have on the roster doesn’t mean that they all played well. i guess you are fine with how those guys played when Vasher went down. Our team drafted offense with the first 3 picks and then got 3 value pics with our next three that will help our defense stay healthy. If you think we can win if our defense has injuries then you didn’t watch last season. I like the next three pics to add depth. Harrison and Bowman have huge upside and Steltz is one of the standouts in camp. I’m glad to call them Bears.

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I wasn't happy with it last year.

There was a lot I wasn’t happy with. But if you’re happy thinking the key to a championship is depth at CB, LOL, LMAO, ROFL, whatever.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a late round flyer on some guy YOU think will be better than what they have

If that will make you sleep better go ahead, that’s the same kinda thinking that got elton brand traded for a high school project. Im just glad you are merely a misguided fan who looks at names…...”give me JD Booty cuz the media hyped him up”.....LOL

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by Thirdrock on May 5, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks bud. There's an ignore button somewhere, right?

I can only take so many people swallowing the Angelo-and-Rex-are-GOD kool-aid.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Life has been a lot better

with Jerry than without him. Before he got here we couldn’t pick our nose. Not every pick has been great, but we do pretty well in my opinion. We have won the division twice in the last three years and I believe we can do it again this year with a strong D. Honestly, there is only one team in the NFC that scares me from an offensive perspective and that is the Cowboys. We might not even play them in the playoffs. A strong D can take you to the Superbowl and win it.

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by #23 on May 5, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's retarded.

His competition didn’t even have their starting QB that season and our defense was fucking awesome and, oh yeah, we had the best running back ever on the team.

Bottom line: THE TEAM has a ring, not the fucking QB.

by mikebdot on May 6, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are all important

There are 22 starting positions on offense and defense. They all make an impact. Even if you are week at one you can win. It is the most important, but not the only position. They all matter.

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by #23 on May 6, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am a big fan of

Nate Davis from Ball State, but I am biased because I attend school there and I would probably freak if he ended up on the Bears. He is a really good athlete though.

Another guy to check out is the guy that played against Purdue’s Chris Painter in the Motor City Bowl…Dan LeFevour. Strong arm, great mobility and he’s from Downer’s Grove, IL.
2007 Stats: 3,652 yds 27 TDs, 13 INTs 1122 yards rushing and 19 rushing TDs.

He and Nate Davis are supposed to be the next great MAC QBs (like Big Ben, Pennington, Leftwich, etc) but hopefully they will be better than 2 of those 3.

by GallopingGhost on May 5, 2008 3:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My Two Cents

The knock against Florida quarterbacks can’t be held against Tebow. He’s in a different system with a different coach. The Vick comparisons are crap for the same reason.

by bs1220 on May 5, 2008 4:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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