Grossman = Orton = A Load of Nothing?

by WCG on Jul 18, 2008 11:55 AM CDT

So, we all know this is the big question to be answered this training camp. Who is going to be our starting QB?

I have heard good and not so good arguements for both, but my biggest issue is what if it isn't either of them?

The way we hear it, neither Rex Grossman nor Kyle Orton did anything in the Bears’ minicamps and OTAs to gain any kind of edge in their battle for the starting QB job this coming season.

Here's the thing. The Bears are practically giving away the position. They are begging for one of these guys to step up and be the guy. Maybe they have a preference towards Grossman, but if Orton came in and took over the spot, I think they would have no problem giving him it. Both of these guys should be doing every thing they can at every chance they get to try to impress, but if this report is true neither is doing that. So maybe they don't really have it in them.

And if neither of them is the guy, who is? Is Chris Simms really our backup plan?

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Eh

since neither of them can seem to hold down the job, we might as well let someone else give it a try.

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by thecoolest on Jul 18, 2008 12:05 PM CDT 0 recs

Sure, but who?

Simms hasn’t shown anything that much better than who we have. At least Grossman has half a season at a high level.

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by WCG on Jul 18, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up 0 recs

I don't care

Throw one of those undrafted rookie QB’s in the fire. How bout Jesse Palmer? He’s a free agent, right? I mean who wouldn’t want a former “The Bachelor” star under center. Maybe Jared Lorenzen, recently released by the Giants. 285 lbs. and probably more mobile than any of the QB’s we got right now.

The point I’m trying to make is I just want to see someone new, I’m kinda tired of Ortman.

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by thecoolest on Jul 18, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

I've got no problem with that

that is actually what I am getting at. We have some idea what we are getting from Orton and Grossman. If they can’t improve we have to have some backup plan.

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by WCG on Jul 18, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

It's mini-camps and OTAs

It means nothing.

You know how many times we’ve heard complete praise for a QB (or other player) during mini-camps… and how many times the Bears propaganda machine has put a QB (Grossman) on a pedestal because of how he looks in “practice” or training camp.

When it comes to evaluating talent at the skill positions on offense… this coaching staff sucks.

Heck, just a few weeks ago, Lovie, Turner, and everyone else at Halas Hall were praising Forte, like he was Jesus in pads, and said they had no plans to bring in a veteran RB… fast forward to now, and we have Kevin Jones.

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by SackMan on Jul 18, 2008 12:10 PM CDT 0 recs

Sure

but if you know they are looking for somebody to take the lead, wouldn’t you at least try to impress? Would you really come out half ass, regardless of it being a mini-camp? You are trying to win this starting gig, come out guns blazing every chance you get.

We aren’t talking about a veteran or a known starter here.

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by WCG on Jul 18, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up 0 recs

I can't recall ever seeing a QB win the job in OTAs

Relax.

When they’re taking snaps with the complete 1st team unit in pre-season games, then you’ll see who plays better. Practice is practice. If practice won games, Grossman would be immortalized in the HOF already, based on all the annual raves he gets from our dimwit coaching staff.

The key here is being able to run the damn ball again… if we can run the ball and return our defense to form, we’ll win more often than we lose. Orton and Grossman have both taken our team to the playoffs behind a good defense and a running game.

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by SackMan on Jul 18, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'm not asking for one of them to win in OTAs just

look like you might want to win.

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by WCG on Jul 18, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up 0 recs

I don't see a good running game bailing out Grossman...

...ever. He still has to make decisions when it comes to passing.

This training camp is useless in terms of the QB “competition.” I’ve drank up Lovie’s, Ron’s, and Jerry’s bullshit the last two seasons and hoped it was true, but I want to see some actual results in games before I start praising either of them.

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by ChiFan13 on Jul 18, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'm not buying it.

Orton has never not been able to ‘hold down the job.’ Rather, they’ve had to go with the 1st round choice this whole time because Angelo is toed to Grossman’s success. Orton’s behind the 8 ball on that one, and probably always will be.

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by PopeFlick on Jul 18, 2008 1:10 PM CDT 0 recs

Yep

Even if they ended up signing Simms or someone else, I still wouldn’t be surprised if Grossman’s the Day 1 starter with the support he’s been given in the past.

by rea5661 on Jul 18, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

Let me throw this one out

Favre comes back to GB, the Packers would keep Favre, Rodgers and Brohm. That would put Matt Flynn on practice squad. Like him better than Caleb?

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by WCG on Jul 18, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'd rather

work out a trade for Brohm tbqh lol.

I guess I’d take Flynn over Hanie, but I don’t really know much about either of them.

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by thecoolest on Jul 18, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up 0 recs

With the roster constructed the way it is....

We should probably be crossing our fingers for Orton… since Rex “F’ it, I’m goin’ deep” Grossman will be without Berrian.

Orton is a better game manager.

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by SackMan on Jul 18, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up 0 recs

I get what you are saying

but a game manager only does us good if our run game comes through. If it doesn’t we need more.

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by WCG on Jul 18, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up 0 recs

too bad

Rex rarely says “f it i’m going deep” anymore because the Bears want to handcuff him and make him a conservative quarterback. I’m not saying Rex was great as an air it out gunslinger, but you live and die with guys like that and the Bears knew that shit when they drafted him and then they were surprised when he was inconsistent.

I say bring in Simms…he probably won’t be ready to start or anything right away but you let Orton/Grossman try to make something happen for 8 weeks and if they both just suck up a storm then you hand it over to Simms for the final 8 weeks of the year.

by lopey986 on Jul 19, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

When you have 2 QBs you have no QBs

We’ve all heard this and had to live for the last 20 plus years. The thing is that training camp hasen’t started so neither has had a chance to step up. Let’s wait and see them take some snaps. What other options do we have right now? We’d have to trade for a guy like Simms who is somewhat of an unknown commodity or wait for someone to be released. My best case scenario? Bears trade Orton and Grossman for Brady Quinn. That won’t happen but seriously this offseason the Browns might have to/need to part with one of their 2 guys and we can get on the buying end of that deal. Montana and Young didn’t coexist more than a season or two and neither did Rivers and Brees. Hopefully it will be the same for them. As for the Bears? We’re stuck with Grossman or Orton. They should get matching T-shirts that say “I’m with terrible”

Lovie Smith-isms:
"We get off the bus running"
"Rex Grossman is our quarterback."
"...and we'll go from there."

by GallopingGhost on Jul 18, 2008 2:11 PM CDT 0 recs

Maybe they are both doing great?

The article just said that neither one had distanced himself from the other; not that they were both terrible. They are both in their physical primes and have decent game experience and familiarity with the offense. I don’t see a better scenario for finding a top QB ready to produce this year as well as future years; without trading for a proven top5 QB, and those trades dont happen. Bringing in Simms after his release would give them another experienced guy with untapped potential.

by gillrowdy on Jul 18, 2008 3:42 PM CDT 0 recs

I'm sure it would hvae said that if it had happened.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up 0 recs

the article said nothing we dont already know

we knew rex would look better physically and we knew orton has improved.

I think both guys have a chip on their shoulder, to prove their value to the franchise and themselves.

im not really sure whats being discussed. Kyle and Rex both improved last year and have considerable experience winning in this system. patience my friends, patience.

by rahulsriram on Jul 19, 2008 8:59 AM CDT 0 recs