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Hester reports to camp... without new contract

Hester reports to Bears camp:
Devin Hester's resolve to sit out the entire 2008 season, if necessary, to get a new contract ended after two days of training camp. The wide receiver arrived at training camp happy teammates reported at breakfast this morning, in time for a morning weightlifting session and today's 3 p.m. practice. Hester shows up after accruing roughly $30,000 in fines for missing two days of practice.
That is good news, though I am surprised he caved so quickly.

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another enlightening article

written in the times today by the #1 shemale fluffer in town, Moronotti. I bet your mom wishes she aborted you all those years ago huh Jay? good to see the garbage you dook out on your worthless column isn’t even valid a couple hours after printing. I’m glad i subscribe to the other paper.

in any case it is good to see #23 start practicing, i am guessing angelo or someone reached out in good faith and said you will get paid but you need to be here? now hopefully these small injuries to veterans and rookies alike go away soon. never again do any of us want to see the infamous hammy pull saga of a couple years ago.

by reefermadness3 on Jul 25, 2008 8:40 AM CDT   0 recs

i'm not too suprised

only because hester doesn’t make enough money to sit around too long, and he doesn’t have enough time at the position to really gt any more money.

but more because angelo sounded like it was already happening and maybe hester jumped the gun a bit. maybe not.

by mike b on Jul 25, 2008 9:44 AM CDT   0 recs

Well... yes, Angelo said they have been working on this for a while

So, I’m guessing Hester realized the bad PR move he made, and showed up for camp.

For the record though: This is completely the Bears fault… they want him to play WR… and their offensively-challenged head coach thinks that Hester is a #1 WR.

Therefore… his agent says, he should be paid like a #1 WR.

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Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Jul 25, 2008 10:27 AM CDT   0 recs

I'm sure there is a middle ground here

there is a range for #1 receivers. Find someone on the lower end and build a contract off that. I cannot imagine Hester and his agent are looking for Fitzgerald or TO money.

Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!

by WCG on Jul 25, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

With the resignings this off-season...

...this was a no-brainer. Hester probably won’t get true #1 money, but to say he hasn’t earned a raise is ridiculous.

If some guy came in at RB and re-wrote the record book at that position he’d get a raise after 2 years as well.

He’s worth every $ spent, ESPECIALLY if teams ‘stop kicking to him’ – meaning they’ll be aiming out of bounds and risking mo’ shanks, etc. He’s a field position sponge and we need him.

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

Z. He doesn't need an exclamation point. He is one.

by PopeFlick on Jul 25, 2008 11:31 AM CDT   0 recs

You can't use this
If some guy came in at RB and re-wrote the record book at that position he’d get a raise after 2 years as well.

as a comparison. If Hester was drafted as a receiver and he rewrote the record books as a receiver than sure. He came in and only did returning. Now he wants #1 money at a position that he is only entering his first year fully at that position.

Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!

by WCG on Jul 25, 2008 11:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure I can.

Keep in mind this is a negotiation. Is he FAR more than the Bears expected when he was drafted? Absolutley! Is he going to hit that #1 WR pay tier? Mmm, probably not but he can and should be expected to leverage his accomplishments for the best deal possible for him. He’ll settle for a touch less with probably an extra year or two on his contract.

If you really say ‘he only did returning’ I’ll respectfully submit that’s the equivalent of saying Hank Aaron only had a high average. Hester has blown away all return men in the history of the game. It’s not hyperbole. It’s troof.

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

Z. He doesn't need an exclamation point. He is one.

by PopeFlick on Jul 25, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm referring to positioning

He is looking to get paid for a position he has only played at this level for half a year and might not be ready to take over for few years.

Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!

by WCG on Jul 25, 2008 12:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As far as I can recall

this is a completely unique set of circumstances. I don’t know that we can accurately use an existing example.

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by WCG on Jul 25, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Positioning is a good word...

...he was drafted as a return guy only. He blew the record books off of that. They now want to promote him in a sense without upping his pay. Not only is he duea raise for his performance he’s due a raise for his position change as well.

Will he get true #1 money? No, but he;ll get close which will be good for the time being.

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

Z. He doesn't need an exclamation point. He is one.

by PopeFlick on Jul 25, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IS IS A VERY UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE

However, our offensively clueless head coach provided Hester’s agent with more leverage early this offseason… when he viewed Hester as a #1 WR.

I know Hester’s not a #1… you know Hester’s not a #1… and so do the Bears. Everyone except for Lovie Smith knows this…

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Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Jul 25, 2008 12:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That is exactly what I am getting at

I agree he deserves a raise and I’d bet the Bears are ready to give him one, but if he is demanding #1 receiver money and may not even be our #1 receiver this year that causes issues.

Not only with him, but how can we expect Booker and Lloyd to honor their contract when the guy behind them is making #1 money and they are not? Again, his return abilities muddy up the waters, but you get where I’m coming from.

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by WCG on Jul 25, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't understand this line of argument

Hester played in a decoy type role for 10-15 plays a game and caught 20 balls for 300 yards. They want to put him in for 30-35 plays this season, so it stands to reason he could easily catch 60+ passes for 900 yards.

Would anyone be disappointed if that happened?

by mikebdot on Jul 25, 2008 2:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Disappointed? No

I am not trying to justify what is happening, just trying to reason why the Bears might not have offered a contract that is within the parameters of what he is looking for.

I’d say pay the man and get on with it.

Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!

by WCG on Jul 25, 2008 3:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

technically

I was responding to SackMan saying I know Hester’s not a #1. Those would be decent #1 numbers, and that estimate is probably off as (hopefully) Hester won’t be used as a decoy 1/2 the time as he was last year. Those 10-15 snaps were more like 5-10 real pass catching opportunities per game.

by mikebdot on Jul 25, 2008 3:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's not a WR.

He’s a phenominal open field runner… if open field runner was a name of a position: that’s what he would be: OFR.

He lines up at WR so we can find other ways to get him the ball. That’s it.
But, by Lovie Smith foolishly stating that he thinks Devin Hester is our #1 WR… he just changed the whole complexity of the contract negotiation process.

When he lines up as the 3rd WR… in the slot, against the nickel CB, he can create an advantageous mismatch for us… and that’s the primary way he should be used on offense in his new increased role. He doesn’t have a good command of the playbook, he’s not a crisp route runner, and he hasn’t proven that he can get off the line if he was jammed. You have to excel at those things to be a #1.

He’s a dynamic OFR… and yes, of course we should be finding more ways to get the ball in his hands. But don’t be foolish and think he’s a #1 WR… just because you don’t have a WR worth a crap… and you’re a clueless organization when it comes to offense in the first place.

I know I sound like a crabby bastard… but I’m telling it like it is.

You want some friggin offense? Then start outcoaching an opponent for the first time in two decades. In the NFL, if you want to be successful on defense: you need horses. But on the other side of the ball, you can score plenty of points if you can actually outcoach your opponent.

And heck, we did that once last year. ONCE. We opened the game in a no-huddle, marched right down the field and scored a TD in 8 or 9 plays. Then… we never did it again, because we’re idiots.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Jul 25, 2008 5:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't even know if Hester is married ...

But I picture he, wife and his agent in a beach house waiting for a fax to come in with JA’s newest offer. The offer is terrible and Hester looks at his agent, “What should I do?” Hester’s wife says, “Don’t ask you’re agent, this is our decision.” She says to him “You’re going to play out the rest of your shy contract, then you’re going to become a free agent.” Hester says, “You’re the sh Marcie.” And somehow that’s a compliment. To be calle “the sh*.” So Devin returns to practice the next day.

by smithie love on Jul 25, 2008 12:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Just for the record

and I’ll have to find the post I had it, but because the CBA was opted out of I think Hester cannot become a unrestricted free agent until 2012.

I think when they opted out the number of years for a player to become unrestricted went up or something like that, so take that plus the Bears right to tag him.

That brings up another situation. If the Bears got desperate could they take him out of the WR pool and list him as only a return man and then tag him. Then they would have to pay him top 10 at that position. That would be pretty crappy, but I suppose you could do it. The league might step in at that point.

Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!

by WCG on Jul 25, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually....

Was in Bourbonais during his holdout. He had talked to Darryl Drake daily, and was seen having dinner with some of the players.

by The Ghost of Rusty Lisch on Jul 25, 2008 1:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just wonder

Who convinced him to come back? The team? The coaches? His agent? Did he himself decide? I can’t wait for the typical “I just missed my teammates…” and “It was hard to watch my teammates having fun and playing on the news while I’m sitting around..” to the media when he finally talks to them. This will work out for both sides and probably pretty soon.

Bold Prediction: Orton will be the starter in week 1.

by GallopingGhost on Jul 25, 2008 1:02 PM CDT   0 recs

I think his agent

I think the holdout was curtesy of Deion, his “mentor”. And the decision to return and maintain a good PR was from his agent, who simply told him the money was coming whether he sat out or not.

by The Ghost of Rusty Lisch on Jul 25, 2008 1:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well that was a lot of drama

for nothing….$15,000 a day must be hurting his bank account.

The Bears march to 6-10 is back on track.

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by thecubreporter on Jul 25, 2008 1:06 PM CDT   0 recs

Every day that goes by without Devin Hester getting a new contract

is an exponentially growing case for why JA should be fired, and fired in a manner something to the tune of the Willie Randolph firing, maybe even worse, if possible. Forgive me if this comes off as a crazy rant, but I’ve given a lot of thought to this since it was first suggested that the Bears proactively seek to restructure the contract in the spring.

Forget the complications and unique considerations involved in making this deal for just a minute. To this point, Hester has been a gift to the team’s scoring tally above and beyond any and all initial expectations following his draft selection, been officially made the new, exciting face of the franchise, been the anti-Tank-Johnson as far as character and humility go, and has taken without any objection the PR/marketing pitch the organization has thrown out there pointing to him as the savior of the offense and all the pressure and expectations that come with that while knowing the organization is stalling on his contract negotiations because they might, in reality, have other options to go with for their WR corps. If a football game didn’t involve roughly 30-35 contributors, I would even go so far as to say that this guy is the up-and-coming Michael Jordan equivalent for this franchise and it’s bottom line as far as star power / fan appeal goes. And given all that, you’re going to tell me that they can’t resolve the issue of how to up his bottom-dollar contract to make him feel respected and appreciated before the start of training camp, supposedly just because it’s too unique of a situation? And then they go out and publicly lambaste the guy’s decision to not show up at training camp when it’s clear that they’re entertaining other options? Forget the uniqueness of the contract considerations, because the uniqueness of this business decision / managerial failure / highway robbery is far and away the more perplexing situation.

I could carry on about this probably for several days, but at the end of the day, the simple point remains that Devin Hester has far and away outplayed his rookie contract because in his first two years he has contributed to this team – just as a returner – more than anybody ever could have imagined he would have on his draft day. And I mean that keeping in mind that the Bears drafted him in the second round primarily as a solution to their awful, terrible return game in 2005 (R.I.P. R.W. McQuarters). Nevermind the added bonus - widely recognized in the draft that year, I might add, for those thinking that this suggested WR move came out of nowhere - that hester was so gifted that it was assumed he could become a successful CB or a WR at some point way down the line, if given the time.

I am pretty sure that he’s publicly stated that he wants a contract that’s something like what a 1st or 2nd round pick would get if such a pick were clearly expected to come in and start. Take a small discount (20% ???) to what that would be, given the fact that you’ve signed some promising free agents and draft picks, and make the guy happy already. It’s not rocket science here, JA.

by The Spaniard on Jul 25, 2008 2:19 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm sorry...

but do you know anything about what JA has offered Devin? No, didn’t think so. So, seriously, how do you know what is or is not cause for firing? Keep carrying on with yourself about this.

“Forget the complications”...

Dope.

by mikebdot on Jul 25, 2008 2:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Knowing the actual dollar amount isn't necessary, "dope"...

Do you even read the paper to so that you’re informed on the topic before you come on here and try to disrupt the discussion?? The crux of the argument this whole time has been that the organization (JA) holds the position that Hester should be paid like the best special teams player in the league and not like a WR until he’s proven his ability, which the other side of the argument (correctly) says is stupid reasoning. Obviously there’s a considerable gap between the two numbers, otherwise JA’s stance wouldn’t be such an issue to begin with.

And, yes, you should be sorry.

by The Spaniard on Jul 25, 2008 3:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

because the paper has so much useful information about this situation. Please.

NO NUMBERS HAVE EVEN BEEN REPORTED!

The organization’s offer to him was probably very close to what Hester was asking for, hence the organization’s surprise that he held out.

The organization has been proven right in the past several negotiations. Briggs, Urlacher (he got pretty much the SAME deal he turned down 3 months ago), not signing Berrian, Tillman, Vasher, Harris, Grossman and Orton on the cheap.

You name it, they’ve gotten it right. The organization is taking a huge risk paying him like a #1 receiver, especially if he craps out at the position.

by mikebdot on Jul 25, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why can't you get it through your thick head...

that THE NUMBERS DON’T MATTER FOR MY ARGUMENT. The whole point of my post was to point out the fact that this is the one guy on the team that the franchise can’t afford to displease and the one guy that it CAN EASILY afford to overpay, given how his (not in the yardage sense) return-to-date has far exceeded his cost-to-date.

The organization was surprised that he held out because he’s conducted himself so well during the offseason and negotiations, meaning he showed to mini-camp and OTA’s with full participation, not because they had reason to think they were close to a deal. From Hester’s quote, which you might have read in the PAPER a couple days ago, if you can even read… :

“I have to make a statement. I showed by going to [organized team activities] that I was a team player. But then, I just felt they weren’t taking it seriously that I wanted to get a new deal.”

Obviously, Devin doesn’t think they were anywhere close the deal he wanted if he says they weren’t taking it seriously, so obviously JA couldn’t have thought that his latest offer before camp started would have been close to making Devin happy. Frankly, I can’t even believe I have to walk through this for somebody, it’s so self-explanatory…

And if you read my initial post, you would see that I was and am still under the impression that Devin initially wanted to get paid like a 1st round WR draft pick that is expected to come in and start, which is pretty different from being a paid like an established number one receiver. If he has in fact stated that he wants to get paid this season like a #1 receiver, it’s because the Bears were stupid enough to try and use the marketing pitch that he very easily could be their #1 receiver as early as this year in a vain attempt to stem losses at the ticket counter. Just because they were dumb enough to stuff those words into Devin’s / his agent’s negotiation arsenal doesn’t make it a fault of his character or his argument.

And if they’re “taking a huge risk” paying him like a #1 receiver, then they shouldn’t be so “bold” as to go out and assure their fans and the media that he can and will be one. It’s that simple.

by The Spaniard on Jul 25, 2008 4:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, you're right

JA should be fired based on your “argument”. Oh, what’s that? They signed Hester? So, now you have no argument. Should they still fire JA?

Putz.

by mikebdot on Jul 27, 2008 2:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wow, that was a pretty quick turnaround time there, ace.

I would have gotten on sooner to grovel at your feet while you were prematurely boasting about your supposed victory, but I couldn’t rush to my computer as quickly as possible to log onto this website because, while you were holed up in the bachelor pad that is your parents’ basement getting all too excited to write a post that yet again proves you read at a 1st grade level, I was busy having fun out at the beach all day with friends. geeze, I sure did end up on the losing end of that one…

unfortunately, even the literal reading of the opener for my initial posting, which anybody with some real sense about them could have seen was an intentional over-dramatization, would mean that a case for his firing was building with each incremental day that passed, which ended up being a grand total two days of camp because he realized (or saw that everyone else realized) that he was coming off as a total douche by just stringing along one of his best, most-underpayed players. that he realized it and moved quickly to correct the situation doesn’t make him God’s gift to the world, even if his #1 fan is as big a tool as you’ve proven to be here.

how about you form a supercool one-man fanclub for him and then spend your time holding that together instead of repeatedly making an ass of yourself every time you come onto this board??

by The Spaniard on Jul 28, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

HAHAHA
while you were holed up in the bachelor pad that is your parents’ basement

Someone commenting on a blog to make fun of someone commenting on a blog?

A bit ironic, don’t you think

And seriously… the parent’s basement thing? How you come up with anything else that would be more cliche?

by big_lowitzki on Jul 28, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ugh...

... i love typos!

That should read…

“CAN you come up with anything else … “

by big_lowitzki on Jul 28, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the comment on turnaround time

was referring to the speed of his post relative to the news about hester signing, and how he excitedly ran back to his computer like a little schoolboy and pulled up this thread because he really thought he’d be able to “stick it to me”. he didn’t take into account that he’s stupid and would open himself up to just more ridicule. and no, unlike him, I don’t go out of my way to chew out other people on this board just because they post something – I’m all for sticking to the topic at hand and respectfully minding my own business, but its hard to do that when so many people want to disrupt neutral conversation and unnecessarily attack everyone else.

and I was trying to make that comment as much of a cliche as possible because apparently nobody on this board can understand anything subtle.

by The Spaniard on Jul 28, 2008 1:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

you got me. I ran like an excited little schoolboy. Or…I was bored out of my mind at work. If you prefer to fantasize about schoolboys at least you’re not acting on those impulses, so good for you. Glad the facility helped you return to a “normal” life. But we all know what’s on your mind.

“disrupt neutral conversation”? Calling for JA to be fired and then making an argument thusly “I am pretty sure that he’s publicly stated that he wants a contract that’s something like what a 1st or 2nd round pick would get if such a pick were clearly expected to come in and start. Take a small discount (20% ???) to what that would be, given the fact that you’ve signed some promising free agents and draft picks, and make the guy happy already. It’s not rocket science here, JA.” Then saying the money doesn’t matter to your argument a few posts later? That’s grounds to be called a dope any day of the week.

Hell yeah I’m going to let you know you’re being a fool. Not only that, I’ll defend JA, mostly because this deal probably wasn’t very far from what they had been talking about all along and would have gotten done regardless of Hester’s hold out. I’m not sure if he’ll actually be fined or not, but if he misses out on $30k because of this little stunt, he’s a fool. The deal would have been the deal regardless. JA has a great track record of going after the talent for the price they want to pay and then actually paying that price. You can argue he isn’t going after the right talent, but arguing that he should be fired over his tactics is beyond ridiculous. He’s one of the most business savvy people in the league, even if his track record spotting offensive talent isn’t so good. I think the biggest problem with this team is Ron Turner and that JA is one of the good things the organization has going for it.

by mikebdot on Jul 29, 2008 8:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would fire Angelo...

...for things not realted to this off-season. Redid Harris. Placated Briggs. Placated Urlacher. Now, he’s getting to Hester. I’d say in the line of importance, that Hester deserved to be placed behind the top DT in the game, the face of the franchise and the guy who’ll inheirit that position once he breaks down and in the meantime is someone that cannot be accounted for with Urlacher on the field in Briggs.

If they had done Hester first, and gotten snagged on Harris THAT would have been grounds for firing.

As it is, decision wise it’s been JA’s strongest off season here.

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

Z. He doesn't need an exclamation point. He is one.

by PopeFlick on Jul 25, 2008 3:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

JA's done a pretty good job here....

he started from scratch, rebuilt the entire D-line, and drafted some wonderful talent on the defensive side of the ball. Unfortunately… JA doesn’t know offense. And even worse… nobody in the building at Halas Hall knows anything about offense. They need to keep JA and hire some offensive brainpower to compliment him.

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by SackMan on Jul 25, 2008 6:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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