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Better Without Benson and Grossman?

Opinions vary when it comes to Cedric Benson and Rex Grossman.  Some have had enough of both while others still saw hope.  Here is one who thinks the Bears made the right call in sending Benson packing and believes they should just call it a day on Grossman.

Let’s face it—the Bears are out of their element trying to be a dynamic passing team. They have their best success when their defense is dominant, the special teams provide a spark and the power running game comes through to close out victories.

I'll buy the Benson one, but I just don't know about giving the ship to Orton just yet.  I still need to see more out of Orton numbers wise, before I would just hand him the reigns.  At least he can stay healthy.

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Orton is the right QB to go with

I wholeheartedly agree with the sports news writer featured. Grossman’s strength was the long ball and his long ball targets are gone, Berrian and Muhammad. Orton’s strength is situational check downs like screen passes and bullets to receivers down 10-15 yds. The receivers on the team are more slant pass or bullet grabbers like Rashied Davis, Tight end tandem, Clark and Olson, and occassionally Devin Hester. He showed his situational check down capabilities in the Redskins game. Hester is quite obviously a long ball threat as well

by Chicagoso on Jul 8, 2008 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Muhammad?
his long ball targets are gone, Berrian and Muhammad.
Muhsin Muhammad was a long ball target? Since when?

by big_lowitzki on Jul 8, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rex

Its not over until its over. I say we let rex fight through another season. If the likes of kyle boller and alex smith get 3+ full season then why not a superbowl Q.B like Rex. The media piles on rex and everyone is tired of defending him i understand. But take a good look at tavaris jackson, alex smith, j.p. losman and tell me why they dont get nowhere near the heat grossman recieved while guiding a team too the superbowl.

Rex is my Q.B…..He’s my teammate…..And if you blame it all on him its not fair…...He’s my Q.B. .....sob…...sob…....sob we lost as team…..sob….sob….sob lol

by WavyGravy on Jul 8, 2008 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

One last shot for Rex

I liked what I saw late last season and I think its time he earn the job properly from Orton. Until one of them wins the competition it isn’t worth it let either one walk, especially with Grossman’s new contract not having the team in a headlock cap space-wise.

Lovie Smith-isms:
"We get off the bus running"
"Rex Grossman is our quarterback."
"...and we'll go from there."

by Sam Householder on Jul 8, 2008 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Dump Rex and Orton

The Bears need to dump Rex and Orton. Sign Leftwich and Culpepper and let them compete with the other two QB’s they have signed for the starting job.

by drknoc on Jul 8, 2008 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Did you see Leftwich with the Falcons or Culpepper with the Raiders. Brutal. They’re both to old, too slow and too injured to play in the NFL.

by MacinNAttack on Jul 8, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

umm...

Leftwhich is 28. That is too old?

I guess Grossman is too old also, eh?

by big_lowitzki on Jul 8, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

no question benson's removal was best; rex is up in the air

i was ecstatic when benson was arrested with his second dui. he forced the bears hand to let him go. thank god. he wasn’t worth the side-to-side yards he carried the ball.

not sure about rex. i think he finally gets it – don’t think so much. just go out and throw the ball. if he goes out and doesn’t think, he might be okay.

if i were an owner of an nfl team, i’d hire a team of psychiatrists to deal with the head games some of the kids bring to the game.

by josettedupres on Jul 8, 2008 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Benson was addition by subtraction on various levels

1. He had a poor work ethic and didn’t perform
2. He was disliked in the locker room
3. He was having off-field issues

Grossman on the other hand has a pretty decent work ethic from all accounts… seems to be very well-liked by his teammates… never throws anyone under the bus… and never has any off-field issues.

So, considering the circumstances we’re in at the QB position… the Bears made a good decision signing Rex for another year.

I feel they should just completely avoid drafting a QB (since they suck at it anyway), and go make a deal for a QB who’s been developing on someone else’s roster. Someone who actually knows how to develop a QB… you find that someone in Lake Forest.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Jul 8, 2008 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

typo: "you won't find that someone in Lake Forest"

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Jul 8, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why Rex looks across the line and gets scared

How many pro bowls has Olin Kreutz gone too? How many QBs has he had line up behind him? Why does it seem that Rex is the only one who has had a fumbling problem from Olin? His ints don’t bother me, but when he looks across the line and @@@ all over him self like a scared girl and drops the ball from a pro bowl center that angers many fans. Time to get a QB that can at least hand the ball to a back.

by chitownupsidedown on Jul 8, 2008 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

he hasn't

griese and orton have also had at least one fumle.

i don’t know if other teams even fumble one exchange each year, each of our qb’s has at least one.

by mike b on Jul 8, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah.

I remember when I saw Orton and Griese had dropps being concerned that Maybe it was Olin’s fault. I hope he’s not over the hill. Not yet.

back on subject…

I have been a Rex Grossman apologist for 3 years, enduring all manner of arguments and heated discussion in defending him.

That said, I hope hope hope Orton wins the starting spot this year.
1) he played well last year. He seemed calm and understood what he was looking at.
2) While yes, Rex has a better deep ball, Orton also showed that he can throw a deep ball too. Maybe not as good as Rex, but he has it nontheless.
3) At 6’4” he has much better Quarterback size, which allows him to be more comfortable stepping UP in the pocket. This was a big problem for Rex, not because he was too dumb to know he has to step up, but because he was too short to see when he does.
4)Orton is more willing to take the check-down or throw it away if nothing is there.
5) Every goddamn defense in the league thinks they have Rex Grossman figured out, and unfortunately they’re all sure the best strategy is to send everyone they have in an all-out Blitz fifty times a game. That isn’t going to change this year and it certainly won’t help the O-line we’re TRYING to redo.

We drafted Orton as a developmental QB and I think now is the time to see how that goes. He’s had time to sit and develop, now we just need to throw him in the water to see how he swims.

I still like Rex and was ELATED when we re-uped on him, but I like him better sitting on the Bench if Orton gets hurt or plays like balls.

by HesterSteals1st on Jul 9, 2008 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

you can't teach this
3) At 6’4" he has much better Quarterback size, which allows him to be more comfortable stepping UP in the pocket. This was a big problem for Rex, not because he was too dumb to know he has to step up, but because he was too short to see when he does

by mike b on Jul 9, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Orton's style of play at QB is stronger, though Grossman does have special talent

Orton QB style is stronger than Grossman’s. With Orton you get better ball security, better managed possession game, and a QB who reasserts his pocket presence. Orton’s height and athleticism tops Grossman and you don’t see fear in this guy when defenses come after him. At the finish of last season when he was brought in he didn’t have a good running game to open up play action passes, he had a lousy offensive line, and his receivers were below average. He was brought in to an offense that was lousier than in 05 when the offensive line and running game was at an all pro level. All odds were stacked against him, and HE STILL LOOKED BETTER THAN IN 05! With all this, he still hit Clark, Olson, Hester, Anderson, and Muhammad in the endzone, though Moose dropped the bullet pass from Kyle in the packers game. The TD passes to Hester and Anderson weren’t with the Bears in the red zone either. Grossman is no doubt a QB with a talented arm and his hot streak of games at the start of 07 absolutely set this team up for an NFC Championship title. He too had a lousier offense to play with and certainly he should not blamed for all the Bears woes. But, facts are the facts, Grossman never returned to the all pro from of QB play that he exhibited in the first 4 or 5 games of 07. He did bounce back when he came back off the bench in 08 but not enough to prove to the team or the fans that he is deserving of a multi year multi million contract extension. Even though he is a number one pick. Orton came back into the offense looking like a QB that maybe the Bears had underestimated and under valued. He was pleasantly surprising, especially in the Packers game where he outplayed Brett Favre. Favre had a much better running game, The Packers had a much better defense, and Favre had a historic rejuvenating season. Orton’s 106 passer rating to me in that game showed alot. He was clutch in the most difficult of playing conditions, sub zero blizzard, home playoff advantage hungry Packers, lousy Bears offensive line, and running backs who couldn’t average more than 3 yds. a carry. More than anything Orton showed that he can take advantage of the talented tight end tandem of Clark and Olson. In the following game he also showed he can find Hester in the end zone 50 yds. away. Come on Bears Fans, all signs are pointing to Orton, lets not f—this one up.

by Chicagoso on Jul 10, 2008 12:05 PM CDT reply actions  

When Chicagoso wrote Anderson, he meant Mark Bradley

overlooked the wrong Mark being written. Mark Bradley is Bears receiver. Mark Anderson is pass rush specialist DE that had 12 qb sacks his rookie season in 06.

by Chicagoso on Jul 13, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

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