Bears Fall To Seahawks In OT, 29-26
by Adam T on Aug 17, 2008 12:18 AM CDT
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PrintSomewhere some team is watching The Waterboy and has a great idea. Let's get a quick lead then just down the ball, so we don't have to mess with the defense or special teams.
Rex Grossman got his big start and threw 9/15 for 74 yards and an INT.
Kyle Orton combated those massive numbers by going 5/9 for 43 yards.
Rookie Matt Forte racked up an amazing 2.4 yard per carry average on 17 yards on 7 carries.
While I don't let them off the hook, what it does mean is our offensive line sucks. Right now Jerry Angelo shouldn't be on the phone with any particular free agent linemen, he needs to be on the phone with all free agent linemen. He needs to bring 20 guys into camp and beg for somebody to block.
The defense, obviously still not completely into it, at least looked a little more active and were moving around a bit. They tallied 3 INTs and 3 sacks.
The return game looked good. On 5 kickoffs the Bears return men tallied 105 yards and on rookie Earl Bennett's sole punt return he took it 75 yards.
What are your thoughts?
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this team is fucking pathetic
and sounds like most are finally on board with that looking at the game thread.
this team does nothing well.
can’t block at all. neither quarterbacks is accurate or smart, grossman hits the 3 yard out man on a 3rd and 5, orton falls in love with the deep out and almost gets picked off, hanie throws a 0 fucking yard completed pass, and the coverage teams are aweful. the wide receievrs are covered on every play, almost no seperation.
meanwhile everyone but gould can kick a ball out the back of the end zone.
i hope whoever it was that got on my ass about me saying this was a 5 win team 4 months ago (or whatever) has been watching this crap. they may not win before atlanta, and they may not win 5 total.
good for our crappy qb’s they’re supossed to prove themselves this year.
oh
and that could have just as easily been a first quarter blow out, was not impressed with the first team d.
looked like the dallas game, it was close but you knew it was just a matter of time..
I agree with mike
And btw mike, I’m really sorry you paid money to watch that.
Unfortunately, any stats from this game don’t matter. Rex had about a second to throw the ball off, Orton had only one series, and Forte had a piss-poor excuse for an O-line in front of him. I truly believe that this is our huge problem on offense. And, again, we get to hear another week of Lovie’s “We really like ____. He’s a pleasant surprise in camp.”
I think that Orton will be the starting QB, and not because of anything he or Rex did. Orton did look more relaxed under pressure, but even I can admit that Rex got a raw deal tonight.
Hanie had a terrific pass that Kellan Davis dramatized (big_low, that’s for you). :)
Bennett looked decent returning. Give him some experience in case God goes down.
If Jerry doesn’t pick up anyone this week, he’s sealing his fate, which is more than ok with me.
I’m depressed.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
is anybody else upset...
that Chris William’s punk ass took his sweet ass time trying to lock up a big-money contract only to get fucking back surgery and miss most of the season?
Bear Down, Chicago Bears!
didn't think about that.
there were pre-draft rumors he didn’t work as hard as he could in college and that he had tendencies of being soft. What a bummer…
For anyone who was there, despite lack of blocking, how is Hanie’s presences on the field? I’m curious about that guy and his ability for the future.
he threw a 0 yard
completed pass on a scramble. he’s an idiot.
Hanie...
… is not good.
visit the mindful mission
by big_lowitzki on Aug 17, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
We're gonna need 4 QBs to get through this year.
Our line is pathetic.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
grossman really needed
to hit bennett on that seam route.
i think the coaching staff is going to use that as they’re only play to critique since the line was like a sieve.
lovie said things were “clearer” now? like what? that the line is horrible?
its becoming clearer
and clearer that they put all their o line issues into c will…. and failed to address to depth.
by rahulsriram on Aug 17, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Desmond Clark Injury is Huge
We better get Clark back in there. If you think the O-Line is bad now, just wait for Olsen to be our starting TE. He couldn’t even block a fricking corner back one-on-one last night!
melodrama and Turner
Honey, I’m glad I decided to married you, of all the 32 ladies I could have, but you’re “fucking pathetic.” Awww, I can’t wait to have ANOTHER miserable year with you because you suck so bad at life. I like watching you run around the house like a headless chicken and just yelling at how bad you’re doing. I keep yelling that you need help, but I don’t think daddy Jerry hears me. Why couldn’t he have gotten you braces earlier? Oh love, I hope Momma. McCaskey decides to divorce that SOB and find you a new daddy. Until she does, I’m just going to keep telling you how great we could be if you only listened to me.
- Kordell Stewart
… I’ve been reading posts on WCG for about a year now, and I must say there’s so much negativity. I guess being down on your team all of the time and saying “See, see, I told you” at every little bad thing that happens in a game (preseason, even), practice, etc., is the way for some people to be. I understand, as a life-long Bears, being frustrated with some of the ineptitude of our offense, but honestly. Chill out.
The o-line did look confused, but they were playing in the loudest stadium in the league, and the first team offense was blitzed on almost every passing down. With so much change, perhaps it would have been good to play them through the third quarter to gain some more experience?
My biggest issue, other than agreeing that the o-line needs some help, is that Ron Turner still doesn’t seem to remember how to call plays. In last nights game he fell into the same predictable pattern from last year that makes NFL defenses salivate.
I think he’s trying to help Grossman show what he can do, but the man needs to call more running plays, other than on first and 10 up the gut or 3rd and 20 draws. It also have helped if they tried to run a couple of quick screens against the blitzing defense.
That said, I’m still not going to trash my favorite sports team and go around bragging that they’re going to suck and I let everyone know it. As a fan of the team, I’d rather let them play the game and have high hopes for the season. How fun is it to watch your team and expect them to lose? Why do you even pay attention to them if you think they’re “fucking pathetic”?
what does ron turner have to work with?
a bad oline ruins everything. add bad position players and you’ve got nothing.
How fun is it to watch your team and expect them to lose? Why do you even pay attention to them if you think they’re "fucking pathetic"?
if you want to live in a fantasy land with out any sort of logic, go ahead. super bowl favorites in imagination land.
how is using a term like "fucking pathetic" logical?
Did I say anything about being a Super Bowl favorite in my post?
Coaching has a lot hell of a more to do with it than gets attention in all of the berating of the teams talent level.
Again, you’re argument is to basically say they suck, which doesn’t take much analysis. I actually see a lot of inexperienced talent on the field for the Bears offense. You assume they suck, so really I guess no one can argue against you with that kind of mindset.
I am going to continue to be patient and wait for the season before I stop believing we can actually win games.
I wanted Mendenhall and free agent o-linemen, but we aren’t getting any. Maybe we will. I’m not excited about who we have - as ChiFan13 thinks-but I am not going to continue to moan about it every single day as so many people on this blog do.
Yes, I am excited for the season. I love football. I love the Bears. I’m sorry if I’d rather believe to wait and think they could be good rather than being melodramatic and saying the season is over before it has even begun. It’s really depressing as a fan who actually lives in the city to constantly hear and read other fans’ COMPLETELY negative outlooks.
so believe all you want
who are you to tell someone else how to be a fan?
how is using a term like “fucking pathetic” logical?
that’s why people usually list things afterwards as to why they think that. you know, like bad blocking and poor decision making, poor coverage. i didn’t mention how humble the players were though, so yes, i was short on hard hitting analysis.
here’s a better question, why the hell do you care if someone is negative about the team? how does it affect you? good for you that you’re excited. yipee. i’ll still watch every game, but i ‘m not going to sit here and focus on the goods things when the bad things are so obvious. earl bennet returning a punt is not nearly as important as the first string o line not blocking. you can make excuses about he stadium all you want, and ignore that the bear oline weren’t worldbeaters against a bad chiefs team last week either, and even worse against a seattle d that is not the seahawk’s strength. and i could tell you that the sound was nowhere near what it usually is. i can only assume you know that though since you find it so easy to tell the rest of us what to do.
mike haas would be a great way to decrease the very small amount of seperation our recievers already get.
again
I’m sorry if I’d rather believe to wait and think they could be good rather than being melodramatic and saying the season is over before it has even begun. It’s really depressing as a fan who actually lives in the city to constantly hear and read other fans’ COMPLETELY negative outlooks.
good for you that you actually live there, of course it never made me a better fan living there most of my life but good for you that it apparenlty somewhow does. maybe listen to some of the beat guys who go to camp everyday and see what they think, they’re not exact painting anything rosey either.
everyone knows that the season isn’t over in august, anythign can happen and all those cliches. but there really isn’t much to be gain attempting to analyze that.
Courtesy Warning!
Careful with the F word even in replying to somebody else who read it.
I dropped the new guidelines in a fan post if you need them.
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??
Since we’re all Debbie Downers here, could you please point out one positive thing about last night, minus Kellan Davis’ catch and our ST play?
I’m not gonna brag around that they’re gonna suck either, but when Jerry doesn’t reach out to get ANY OL help, please pardon me if I’m not as excited as you.
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positives
B. Lloyd making sideline catches and being humble.
Earl Bennett returning a punt for a TD.
Two blocked punts, one safety.
Kellen Davis.
Marcus Harrison looking really good in the trenches. Especially against a couple double teams. He played nearly the entire game in and out. Including getting in against the first team Seattle o-line.
The defense with 3 INTs and bending but not breaking. The first team defense allow 0-7 3rd down conversions.
Matt Forte showing some escapability on a screen and a few runs. He doesn’t run blindly and bluntly into the line like Benson would.
Orton was competent, even though I’d like to see Grossman starting (at least the season).
…I’d like to see Mike Hass get a shot, like a lot of people on here would. Mark Bradley has not impressed me at all in his fourth year …nor his first or second or third.
I’d like to see the coaching staff be human, rather than politically correct. They’re talk is always tippy-toeing around what they want to say, and it’s really annoying.
…I’d like to trade Lance Briggs for Randy Moss! But I know that ain’t gonna happen.
…I’d like to sign LeCharles Bentley. But I suspect Bentley wants guaranteed money and guaranteed starting when he hasn’t proved anything in the last two years other than that he’s a hard worker at getting his knee better. This is a prove-to-me-NOW league and he wants movie for what he did too many years ago.
…I’d like us to draft on offense like the Pittsburgh Steelers do. I’m a Michigan man, but Holmes and Mendenhall are beasts with better talent than the guys we’ve drafted. And so is Roethlisberger.
down the toilette
I think the most frustrating thing for me is how Angelo and Lovie can take a Superbowl caliber team two years ago, with only a couple of pieces needed, to the crap that they are now. With all the pro-bowlers they can find on defense, you would they can at least find one player in a skill position on offense. And I am not talking about putting Hester in there and expecting him to be Steve Smith. I blame Lovie and Angelo for this. Lovie for having the offensive coordinator run whatever predictable vanilla play he wants to, and Angelo for not drafting an offensive lineman in two years, when you had one of the oldest lines in football. Angelo also has not drafter a quarterback in what 4 years, on the belief that Grossman will eventually develop into a decent quarterback. There is only so long you can whip that dead horse. That horse was dead when he couldn’t step up in the Superbowl.
by Bears-Bullsfan on Aug 17, 2008 12:20 PM CDT reply actions
I'm just glad Chicago Baseball is good
and the Blackhawks are going to be better this year too…
I love the Bears but am not looking foward to this season at all. Until this team starts taking themselves seriously (look at the Hawks since Dollar Bill passed) then I frankly don’t give a shit. I’ll watch the games, but I’m sure most to the time my buddies and I will just end up not paying that much attention
Rose and the Bulls too
Not a huge basketball fan, but the Bulls are going be better as well hopefully
It's going to be a long season
But maybe after we can get a new GM and coaching staff (or at least offensive coordinator) and a top 5 pick and draft a stud at an offensive position. I think we just have fire sale on offense after this season and try to rebuild it from the ground up.
Bold Prediction: Orton will be the starter in week 1.
by Sam Householder on Aug 17, 2008 12:34 PM CDT reply actions
First off
lets settle down a little bit. It’s week two of preseason and everybody is getting mad becuase of a loss.
The O-line is going to be scary unless something really happens. I think Forte could be really good this year, but he won’t look very good if they can’t block for him.
I’m still holding out hope that the Bears having scouts watching Chris Simms means something. They really need to add him to the battle, because Rex and Orton sure aren’t making anything of it.
by Twins Territory on Aug 17, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions
Its not just because of "one loss"
Its a combination of many things… IMO the majority of this team isn’t even taking itself seriously
The O-line is going to be scary unless something really happens. I think Forte could be really good this year, but he won’t look very good if they can’t block for him
this is why people don’t really need to settle down, this isn’t going to suddenly get better. same line as last year. really doubt this is a gelling issue.
I had a buddy last night
Who was upset with me because
“I’m always down on the Bears”… I told him “Because there hasn’t been a reason not to be”… we go to the Superbowl once and I’m supposed to forgot how terrible this team has been for the majority of my 25 years (yes I know we won the SB but I barley remember that, I was more concerned with the Cake at the party at that point of my life).
Anyways, no offense Cubs fans, but I’m not going to just sit here and try to “be positive” year after year when the team looks like shit for the most part.
To be clear
“Anyways, no offense Cubs fans, but I’m not going to just sit here and try to "be positive" year after year when the team looks like shit for the most part.”
I mean the Bears… the Cubs are good this year
get off the bus?
Anybody notice how we got off the bus? 6 out of 8 plays in the first 2 possessions were passes. What the hell was OC Turner thinking? Who the hell wants to QB if you don’t even bother with the run.
exactly my point
Turner likes to throw in bunches, then run in bunches. And I think he thought he was allowing Grossman to showcase himself . . . behind an overmatched o-line.
our line makes every QB look bad
how can you properly evaluate grossman after last night? he was running for his life on most every play – the few when he did get any time, he did fine. yes, orton did better, but didn’t face the same pass rush, and wasn’t going against the 1st string. this is the real problem…how the hell do you evaluate who’s the better qb? personally, i think either would be fine behind a decent line, but we clearly do not have one. if orton is the starter because of this game, rex really got a raw deal – and i’m not sure orton isn’t the better qb. i hope we sign SOMEBODY soon to help out. otherwise, teams will just blitz us every down in the season, and kyle will get killed, followed by rex getting killed.
Culpeper?
even with a bum knee…i think he’s prob better then what we currently have. Can Leonard Petters get some love…..dude was all over the place. Steltz cant let 3rd string backs run him over for a tuochdown and expect to excell in the NFL.
won't matter without the line
broken record, but in the end…
you're right...
none of this matters without a fucking o-line. Wouldn’t even one quality pick up help us out tremendously? And if Chris Williams can come in and the end of the season and play like a high-first round draft pick, would we finally have an O-line capable of being mediocre at least? Which brings me to my next question, how many quality O-Line free agents are out there right now? Is LeCharles Bentley the only one?
Bear Down, Chicago Bears!
to add on to this...
I think the Bears are teetering on the edge of being a damn good football team. I still think our Defense is solid. Special Teams has always been a strong point. I’m higher on our QBs that most. I like our running backs and I believe our Wide Receivers are capable. i think our TEs are among the best in the league (although I’m gong to hold my tongue until I hear more on the status of Dez Clark). Give us another piece or two on the O-Line and I think we’re exponentially better. It might be a Vikings O-line but even a mediocre one would help push us over the line into a solid fucking football team capable of making the playoffs.
So, I pray we pick up a solid O-Lineman at some point during this year.
Bear Down, Chicago Bears!
I agree completely
We are definitely very close to becomming a very good football team and I enjoy hearing some positivity. The offensive line play is really going to be the determing factor. Our quarterbacks, either Rex or Kyle, are going to be able to get it done if they can get some protection. I think they are both better then what people think. One thing to remember about the way offensive lines work is that everyone needs to be on the same page and running at the same level. Right now our offensive line has been shifted around, there are new faces in different positions, and they do not look in sync. John St. Clair is also going to have to step it up.
They need some help on the O-line, but remember guys this isn’t Madden ‘09, its harder then it looks to just pick up a player that will have an impact. You have to first find someone that is even willing to consider playing for the Bears, someone who is willing to compete for playing time, and someone who is willing to play for the Bears offensive scheme. Oh and this someone has to be available. If they make a trade, they have to find a team who is willing to part ways with a good prospect and not ask for a ridiculous amount in return. And if we make that trade hopefully the player wants to play for the Bears and isn’t miserable. People get mad at their teams all the time for not signing free agents without actually thinking about whether that player even wanted to play for their team in the first place. Its a two way street nowadays in the NFL.
Back to the positivity thing, remember guys, this is football and its supposed to be fun to watch. There are always going to be negatives about the team and times when things aren’t going so well. There are actually some real positives that I have seen from this football team. We have an emerging star in Kellen Davis. Matt Forte looks like a great dual threat who can also pass block. We also have a really hungry Kevin Jones itching to play and impress so he can get a new contract and be a starter somewhere else. Earl Bennett returned a punt for a touchdown and looks like he could be a real dangerous “run after catch” receiver in this league. Our defense is looking powerful and if everyone stays healthy there doesn’t seem to be a weak point out there (and if you look at the contracts of the current players, our defense is going to be good for a very long time). Devin Hester is starting to look more and more like a receiver. Rex Grossman still completed 9 of 15 passes even when he had guys in his face literally every play, something he has always struggled with.
Everyone needs to stay more positive. Stop booing your own team and have a good time.
by californiabearfan on Aug 17, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
No offense here...
…but there is a difference between being an optimist, a pessimist, and a realist. Optimistic people blindly stumble through life happy as a clam, often unable to see the troubles that lay ahead. A pessimist will always be negative no matter what, and fail to see good in even the best things that can happen in life. A realist lives in the best of both world, usually not letting the highs get too high and the lows get too low.
That said, I can say that I’m a realist, and I’m pretty depressed. We have a bunch of playmakers, no one can doubt that. But Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, and Matt Forte will already be behind the 8-ball with our offensive line. If you can paint me a pretty picture of our offensive line, please do. They looked like hell last night.
Another thing….I’m going to speak for me only, but I never boo my team. I will boo certain players if they’re throwing a game away (Rex has 3 clueless INT’s, etc.), but never the team. Who am I upset at for our OL? Jerry and Lovie. I am furious at them for not getting a free-agent OL throughout the offseason, but then they pick one of the most NFL-ready OL who has had a questionable work ethic throughout college and might have had a pre-existing injury. There’s a difference between being upset at management and being upset at the players.
I would suggest that you worry about your own cheering habits instead of being quick to pounce on those who don’t feel the same way as you do.
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I just reread what I wrote...
…and I realize that might have came off wrong. I was not directing that at the people on this website but I was saying just in general. I am just not a fan of booing players on the team I like to watch. I have nothing much to worry about with my cheering habits (I yell pretty loudly at the bar I watch the games at) but I suppose it really isn’t my place to judge other people’s reaction to their team. Got a little preachy there.
Anyway, I can’t paint you a pretty picture about the offensive line. I am just hoping they can get it together and figure it out and its possible it could happen. But…I have to say…Chris Williams going down is tough. I don’t blame them for picking him though, hindsight is 20-20. Just got really unlucky. Hurting it the first practice sounds more freak accident then preexisting injury.
by californiabearfan on Aug 18, 2008 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
No biggie
Obviously, like everyone else, I get upset when someone makes a clueless mistake, but it goes away quickly. I probably also misunderstood what your true message was, so I apologize.
I also don’t blame management unless the pre-existing injury part is true. I would have rather taken a developmental pick that was healthy in that case.
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how about...
the Bears wait and get Mike Vick when he gets done doing the real life version of “The Longest Yard”. That way the Bears won’t need to address their line issue. They can just let him run away from the defense like he did in the ATL. haha.
(this was a joke and i need to say that with some of the guys in who post on this website)
What do you all think of Seneca Wallace?
He is certianly mobile. I wonder what it would take to pry him away from Seattle?
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seriously doubt it unless he were a free agent.
by SuperBowlXX on Aug 18, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I know it is unlikely, but just wanted to throw it out there
Seattle has a price they’d part with him for, just don’t know what it is. Eventually he will get tired of being a backup.
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I don't know
they’ve been talking about playing him around all positions for a while now and then they got Frye to be the actual backup so they could let him run wild on the field. It would be really cool to get him though.
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
They would be smart to.
Get your best players on the field, but I wonder what he feels about it.
If he wants to be a QB, he might not take to it all that well.
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The problem...
…is that Holmgren looked really pissed at Frye. They wanted him to be the backup so Seneca could play somewhere else, but only if Frye proved capable. He didn’t look too capable, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Seattle kept Seneca as a backup strictly.
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