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Chiefs Defeat Bears, Williams Lost!

They say that the score of the first game of the season means nothing and if only to highlight that, comes news that first round draft choice Chris Williams, the supposed savior of the Bears offensive line underwent surgery for a herniated disc.

Williams has been sidelined since sustaining a lower back strain July 24 in the second training camp practice. When the muscle issue subsided, the rookie left tackle was further evaluated. It was then that the disc problem was discovered. The procedure was performed by Dr. Sdrjan Mirkovic and Dr. Mark Bowen.

The Bears declined to give a timetable for Williams’ return, but indicated that they plan to keep the Vanderbilt product on the 53-man roster once the regular season begins.

The Bears offensive line is hurt all to hell.  I think it is time to place a few calls.  Ruben Brown and LeCharles Bentley are still sitting at home.  Maybe it is time to give them a place to play.

So far as the game goes, the Bears lost 24-20.  The NFLN replay starts at midnight, so I cannot give any specific thoughts other than to look at the stats, but do I really need to do more this time around.

Yes, the offensive line is banged up, but Orton and Grossman continued their whopping 5.something yards per pass.

The Bears new starting running back, rookie Matt Forte, ran for a 3.6 average, again who knows what that means when you consider the line.

The Bears need to regroup and start addressing this line or it won't matter how well our QB tandem or running backs want to play.

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Wow.

I don’t even know where to begin.

Orton basically didn’t so squat… other than get the ball to Forte. Forte had a ton of touches, and showed why he’s viewed as a 3 down player (making some nice plays in the receiving game). But, our line sucks, and didn’t open any significant holes for him.

The D really let me down by letting KC convert on 3rd downs for most of the 1st half. I’m hoping that they’re just getting used to full game contact… combined with minimum game planning. But, that’s looking through rose colored glasses.

Grossman provided some pop to the passing game right away… but then settled into his usual inconsistent self.

Nice to see Olson being moved around all over the place. Now, if we can just execute with him and get the yards that he can give us… that would be nice.

Mark Anderson, Marcus Harrison, and Alex Brown showed up to play. The rest of the defense apparently had better things to do. And… our corners looked like crap.

Garrett Wolfe continues to show us good things happen when the ball goes in his hands. He’s probably our second best open field runner… second only to Hester.

Mike Hass made a nice grab of an errant pass from Hanie, with a CB draped all over him… because he can’t get separation.

Marcus Monk dropped one of Hanie’s better throws deep between the hashes… in traffic.

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Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Aug 7, 2008 10:54 PM CDT   0 recs

bears have any interest in chad pennington?

i would take him

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 7, 2008 11:14 PM CDT   0 recs

+1

Although I’m not exactly sure how he’d do learning a new playbook and getting coordinated with a new offense one game into the preseason.

by rea5661 on Aug 8, 2008 1:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

continues?
Garrett Wolfe continues to show us good things happen when the ball goes in his hands. He’s probably our second best open field runner… second only to Hester.

by mike b on Aug 7, 2008 11:15 PM CDT   0 recs

yeah continues...

At the end of last season (when they finally decided to give Wolfe some reps), he made at least a few big plays in the open field, off of screens usually. He will continue to develop and he has so much potential. I think he’s the most underrated offensive player on the team.

Bear Down, Chicago Bears!

by topdoggkyle on Aug 7, 2008 11:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hmm, yes he did

he had a couple of decent plays looking at the numbers. not being able to do much between the tackles hurts since it won’t be hard to figure out what he’s doing in the game, but maybe 5 years from now when our line is good….

by mike b on Aug 7, 2008 11:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Turner's fault

He’s the real reason why Wolfe was considered a bust last year. Turner’s inability to scheme for players drafted is rather disturbing. Maximize his potential with screens, flat routes, delays, draws, and drags. Is it really that difficult?

Does anyone know about how long it takes to come back from herniated disk surgery? Either way, surgery is never a good sign.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Aug 8, 2008 1:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ok, thank you for

some love for my boy wolfe.

damn he needs to get some playing time. he’s got the fricken speed and jukes to blow sh@$ up!!!
let the man play!!

by gman2849 on Aug 8, 2008 1:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

eh

turner has shit to work with, you’re most talented player barely knows what to do, and your line has never been able to run screens.

by mike b on Aug 8, 2008 7:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

4-10 weeks

depending on the extent of the injury

by mikebdot on Aug 8, 2008 8:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I heard that Tillman had a similar surgery after the superbowl

and wasn’t ready until June.

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by #23 on Aug 8, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I loved Hanie tonight

It was just terrific to see a QB that wasn’t making horrible reads or horrible throws. He was able to scramble away from danger, but make the long dart throw. I was pretty impressed.

Other than that, SackMan covered all my feelings.

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by ChiFan13 on Aug 8, 2008 12:30 AM CDT   0 recs

see hanie run

see hanie hit guys on target. we would have won if they had caught those balls!!!!!

taller, faster, more accurate, big arm

i need to see more of this kid

by gman2849 on Aug 8, 2008 1:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hmm...

I can’t wait for the “Start Hanie” crew to get going. This should be fun.

I actually didn’t think Hanie looked that good. I thought he made a couple of nice throws and ran well, but I also thought that he made some pretty bad throws.

And he was also facing a third team defense.

FWIW… I thought both Orton and Grossman looked solid. And that Grossman looked better than Orton, and while it helped to be playing against some second teamers, he was also playing WITH second teamers.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 8, 2008 8:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

didn't make many mistakes...

but they also didn’t do anything to write home about (granted, first gamea action). maybe that is what was created with this QB competition. And the more I think about it the stupider this thing is. The coaching staff and every one of us knows exactly what each QB is going to bring to the table, so just decide which style we want to go with and give that guy all the reps because it’s obvious that with all of these new receivers and now linemen, they need as many reps as possible.

by Ando on Aug 8, 2008 8:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He made a bunch of horrible throws

He’s not NFL material.

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by SackMan on Aug 8, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hanie.

You know… the new flavor of the year.

He was sailing screen passes over Pope’s head.

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by SackMan on Aug 8, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i agree

I just wasn’t quite sure who you were referring to.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 8, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They better pick up Simms.

Cause YOU KNOW we’re going to use 3 QBs this year again.

Hanie is Craig Krenzel v.2

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by SackMan on Aug 8, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not gonna be a part of that crew

I’m just saying it was refreshing to see. He made some bad throws, and he was throwing against the third-string, but I liked what he had. He has good intangibles that will suit us ok if both Nancy and Shirley go down this year.

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by ChiFan13 on Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A couple (long) notes...

1. to sackman’s point, agreed that Hanie started out looking like a big disappointment.

2. but to chifan13’s point, agreed that Hanie came back from that bad start with a vengeance to show that he has serious potential as a 2-year developmental PROJECT and was a great pickup in RFAgency. also agreed that anyone saying he should be started when we’ve lost three in a row and are 3-and-6 is being unrealistic, irresponsible, and unfair. once he settled his nerves, his passes were crisper, his accuracy (don’t forget those spot-on long balls that were dropped and would have extended his stats, maybe set him up for two TDs) IMO was impressive for a first outing, and he looked consistently calm moving within the pocket to buy time and space (it goes without saying that his impromptu scramble showed respectable mobility and an ability to recognize an opportunity when it’s there). it may sound stupid when I say it and I’ll probably get hounded for it, but in terms of the intangibles, he both looked and acted like he belonged out there in a bears uniform and proved, at least to me, that he’s a scrappy competitor that could someday command respect from opposing defenses once the coaches have had ample time to develop and refine his fundamentals and reads. let’s keep him on the roster if we don’t get Simms.

3. absolutely agree with sackman that Orton didn’t do anything to change my opinion of him as a guy that will tease you with the rarely-accurate mid-range completion only to follow it up with a disappointing, if not perplexing, blown opportunity. people love to call Rex inconsistent, but I’m increasingly convinced every time I see Kyle that he is equally inconsistent, minus the points. whether or not you like to admit it, Rex can put points on the board, both in the red zone and outside of it, as long as he gets in a rhythm. to save my life, I can’t remember a time I ever saw Orton get into a rhythm where he had absolute command of the offense and was more responsible for an 80-yd drive resulting in a TD than the RB or receivers supporting him. (this would probably be a good place to throw out a disclaimer and mention I missed his last two games last season when I was out of the country, for those of you who’ve seen otherwise.) he was fully supported last night by Forte’s solid play, and I don’t think that his passes were any better than Rex’s were when Rex was playing with the 1st-team-B-offense.

4. the defense allowing that long (somebody said 9 minutes long?) opening drive really limited the time they had to let both Orton and Rex throw enough passes before having to put in Hanie or before having to start the grand receiver swap. if the defense picks it up in the next game and plays the first series or two the way they should, we’ll get a much more meaningful look at the offensive competitions and thus be able to draw more meaningful conclusions.

5. I absolutely cannot agree that Wolfe is worthy of significant playing time and second the argument that he is not versatile enough to be unpredictable in the way that Forte or Kevin Jones will be as lone backs. I also have to say I really disagree with the comments about how fast the guy is in the open field. am I the only one that noticed how, with a completely open field in front of him - resulting from a blown defensive play, by the way - he wasn’t even close to outrunning a defender that caught up to him from behind after just 35 yards?? yes, he’s shifty and yes, he’s quick enough to juke a defender and gain the extra 6 or 7 yards here and there. but let’s not get carried away here when we’re talking about a guy who’s 5’6”, 180 and what he would or wouldn’t be able to do. I’m certainly no football genius, but maybe they could try and come up with some two-back sets that couple him with Forte and then swing either one of them into the slot or out wide to reduce the impact of his predictability and still play to his strengths?... I’ll leave it at this – he deserves a roster spot to get the occasional garbage-time reps and further develop until Turner can figure out a way to somehow incorporate him regularly with the first team offense and not jeopardize its efficiency in pass protection or blitz pickup.

6. I’m torn between echoing Sackman’s call for them to go out and get Simms, as I’ve said all along that he’d be a great pickup for what we’d have to give up, and saying forget about getting another QB until we can figure out who’s going to line up in front and protect them. Hanie or not, since watching Simms in his first couple seasons and watching the part of his game that excluded the mistakes you could expect a young QB to make, I always thought he could be great if given the chance to develop and then play with the right supporting cast. in the event that we can have this O-line at least halfway figured out by mid-season - right around the time we could expect him to have more-or-less grasped the offense and gotten some chemistry going with the receivers - I think he could really show that he is in fact a “franchise” QB in the way that neither Rex nor Kyle has been able to show (or even suggest) in their time here. at that point, I think Rex would be a great, great backup, and Hanie could still stick around for a year or two to develop in case Simms doesn’t pan out and show that upside a lot of people suspect he has. I would have no qualms with them trading Orton for a 6th round pick as he’s proven he’s not the Bear version of Derek Anderson.

7. I can’t remember where it was, but I recently read somewhere that, as of three or four days ago, Chris Williams had still not been seen by a specialist and given a full examination to figure out what was wrong. that it took him / the organization two weeks of camp to get him a proper examination only to discover that he needed a surgery - one that would set him back, apparently, 4-10 weeks - to correct the problem is, at best, puzzling. weren’t we more-or-less pinning the hopes of our entire season on this guy’s addition to the O-Line being the key factor in shoring up a horrendous offense?? given that, along with the fact that he was a 1st round pick and a huge investment for the bears, I can’t possibly understand how this could happen.

8. slow day at work – sorry for the long post…

by The Spaniard on Aug 8, 2008 12:35 PM CDT   0 recs

To your point #5

I listened to the SCORE this morning with Zack Zaidman, who was on the sidelines last night. He said the players were ribbing on Wolfe during the play/game for not taking some runs further… because Wolfe has been banged up lately, running on bad wheels. The players told Zack, if Wolfe was playing at 100%, he would’ve outrun the defense.

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by SackMan on Aug 8, 2008 1:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks for the info

I really need to get back into the SCORE, was absolutely addicted to it last year. did they end up booting North off the morning show? because that was the only slot I absolutely refused to listen to…

so that information might, possibly (since its speculation), address the speed issue …

... but on the other hand, doesn’t that just further solidify the more critical argument / prevailing suspicion that Wolfe is too small to play at this level and won’t be able to take the hits consistently without being perenially injured? it was the same story last preseason, only worse, as he just plain sat out for several weeks, and we’ve seen his name on the injury list already a number of times this summer to a lesser extent.

unless the preseason practice schedule calls for RBs taking more of a beating than they do during the regular season, what reason do we have to think that he’ll be a dependable option around which we can design offensive packages or scripts? how will he ever be able to develop an ability to run between the tackles if practicing it involves him getting “banged up” to the point where it affects his speed? seems like a bit of a catch-22 to me, but that’s just my opinion.

by The Spaniard on Aug 8, 2008 2:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wondered about speed as well. Last season he looked 2 steps faster than everyone on the field.

This year, he was quick and had great burst, but didn’t top out. I saw the same play, but thought he used a lot more energy on the beginning of the play than the guy chasing him.

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by #23 on Aug 8, 2008 2:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn, I love your posts

98% of the time they are just spot on. Props to you, my friend.

About #6….I want to see how Hanie does in these next three preseason games before I want to get Simms. If Hanie was just a fluke last night, we need to pull the trigger on Simms. Otherwise, I’d rather keep him, like you said, as a two-year developmental prospect. Once he calmed down, he looked good. It would be interesting to see how he’d perform against a 2nd string.

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by ChiFan13 on Aug 8, 2008 3:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks, and an excellent issue/point you mentioned...

... that I didn’t (fully) address in my comment. I think that I’m more and more of the opinion that we should go out and get Simms regardless of how Hanie pans out in the preseason, and here’s why…

all over the league this year, one of the major storylines has been about how so many teams are struggling with the distractions and inefficiencies resulting from QB battles / controversies. CHI, MIN, SF, ARI, KC, CLE, HOU, WAS, soon-to-be GB, and arguably TB. (also maybe BAL, ATL, and MIA, but they’re probably more about who just mans the wheel before / if not beginning with the rookies). Most of those controversies, with the exception of CLE and potentially WAS (two actual #1s?), are due to the fact that too many teams are trying to address the position by having two (or more, as was the case of the Bears last year) “potential” #1s. across the board, the strategy has proven to be either costly (financially) or a waste of valuable (offseason) training time, or both.

what I’m getting at is that I think we need to consider reverting back to the model of having a clearcut present-and-long-term starter, a clearcut insurance policy, and a clearcut (peripheral) QB of the future in development. (its very possible that Lovie recognized the need for such a structure before when he put on his longstanding “Rex is our quarterback” show, trying to assert a difference that, though (IMO) existed and was/is correctly recognized, was never realistically large enough to avoid the inevitable controversy.) it is widely thought / recognized that the QB position is the most important position on the football field, and if you can’t find a solid fixture for the position – one that both the organization and the fans/media will support through rough patches and/or injuries – you would naturally think it’d be pretty difficult to stay focused on improving all other facets of the team and/or its approach to the (offensive) game.

as I mentioned above, I have always had the feeling that Simms could be that type of a QB, and given the fact that he’s still just 28 years old, he could be that type of QB with some franchise for quite a few years to come.

I think a lot of people would agree that adding Simms and throwing Hanie to the practice squad (and, thus, potentially throwing him away since he could then be signed by any of the other ailing teams) would be risking, at least seemingly / initially, just muddling the picture even more by having three potential #1s, boosting your costs, and simultaneously losing a promising project / potential long-term solution. I think a lot of other people would agree that passing on Simms because you have a developmental project would put undue pressure on both the project and the organization to push forward and start prematurely when the two insurance policies (with a broken down line, no less) inevitably fail, at least in the eyes of public opinion. as for signing Simms and keeping all four on your roster, you’re obviously unnecessarily sacrificing much-needed depth at another position just to sustain your indecisiveness.

all that being said, I think that whichever QB loses the battle in Chicago should be traded as quickly as possible in favor of Simms, possibly even directly (plus a 7th rounder?) with TB if Gruden insists on having 7 QBs and is willing to accept that QB with open arms (which he probably will be, given his recent track record). as I clearly stated above, I think that that expendable QB should be, and will eventually prove to be, Orton and that Simms should be able to come in and sooner rather than later (and 1 and a half to 2 years sooner that Hanie…) prove he’s a solid #1/ franchise QB. right or wrong, that’s my gut feeling. should the project (Hanie) turn out to be everything you would have hoped he could be, you then either cut the insurance policy to further reduce costs and boost roster flexibility or you trade the promising product (again, Hanie) to another team that’s willing to pay a high price and is distant enough (meaning AFC) to not threaten you. I think the move to cut the “loser” should be made the second a “winner” is announced before the third preseason game, allowing Simms two weeks of camp to jump start his understanding of the offense and get an uber-basic package down in case we have an injury with the remaining “starter” either in preseason (in which case you let Hanie play out almost all of what’s left of the two games – no way that guy gets hurt with how jacked he is, and all parties would benefit in the long run from him being out there more) or within the first several games of the actual season.

other than injury, the only other remaining wildcard I can think of with the scenario would be the highly, highly unlikely chance that Rex comes full circle and proves to the coaches, fans, and himself that he’s a clearcut number one QB – not “highly unlikely” due to a lack of individual ability so much as the probability that his supporting cast won’t be able to properly support him before he’s given the hook. I like Rex – I think he’s more or less been wronged here in Chicago and hope he eventually excels in the league either here or anywhere after being fully developed, just as long as his success doesn’t happen here and coincide with the simultaneous resurrection of Simm’s career after he’s already sporting a Bears jersey. if that happens, we’re right back where we started, and I suddenly find myself being the jerk that’s selfishly rooting against Rex and hoping he’ll relapse so that the organization can move forward, something close to what some of the stupider super-cheeseheads up in Packer country are doing this very minute. in a similar scenario, if Rex proves to himself and to other organizations in the league that he’s a #1 QB and the Bears still promote Simms to the starter role in recognition of his higher trajectory, then Rex may very well ditch out come the end of the season and the expiration of his 1-year deal and we’ll be forced to find a replacement insurance policy. as far as I’m concerned though, cheap insurance policies are a dime a dozen in this league and finding a suitable / “serviceable” one should Rex depart shouldn’t be a serious problem or threat to the stability of the position.

I’m obviously not a GM that knows the ins and outs of executing such a plan, but to me, that’s what would make the most sense given the present opportunity with Simms, and if I had my way, that’s the direction I would go in with it. until its all been resolved, I suppose I’ll just have to settle for just crossing my fingers…

by The Spaniard on Aug 9, 2008 1:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I absolutely agree, but I'll offer a rebuttal nonetheless

I agree that we need to ditch the loser ASAP for Simms, and it needs to be done in before the fourth preseason game at the latest.

Maybe I read your post wrong, but I would rather keep Hanie. I want to see Hanie play in the next two preseason games. If he looks nothing like he did against KC in those two games, then I almost think that we need to release Hanie, keep the loser and grab Simms for a draft pick. Because Simms and Gruden see about as eye-to-eye as well as Brett Favre and the Packers, we could probably get him for a 7th rounder, maybe even 6th at the highest. However, once he calmed down, Hanie looked poised, and as you said, a professional. Granted, it was against the 3rd string defense, but for being against a 3rd string defense and being an after-the-draft signing, I was impressed. If he can continue his success, I’d honestly like to see him tossed in for a series against a 2nd string defense, just to see how he would handle the pressure.

I guess I’d rather see what Hanie can do before I release him for Simms. We all act as though Simms is some kind of god (myself included), but I don’t want another Griese experiment going on and giving up on a potential project.

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by ChiFan13 on Aug 10, 2008 1:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you did read my post wrong -

I was saying we should keep Hanie in all scenarios and get rid of the Rex-Orton battle “loser” if and when we’re able to get Simms (which we’d better, considering the jury’s still out on whether or not he’s a franchise QB). I think that, whether or not Hanie does well in these upcoming preseason games (what I saw in the first was enough to make me think he’s worth keeping on the roster), our team would be better off if we got rid of the “loser” to eliminate the option of people calling to start him once the “winner” fails with our troubled offense in the first half of the season.

you seem to be of the opinion that successfully getting Simms coupled with bad Hanie showings from now until the end of the preseason means we should keep the loser of the QB battle as the second/third man and drop Hanie (him being the fourth option), whereas I argue that having Simms, Orton, and Rex all on the roster is a recipe for disaster – adding only further depth to the confusion of the organization and its fanbase about the position and giving other teams the chance to sign Hanie off the practice squad. think about how pathetic things would get if Simms comes in and wins the job by midseason and then somewhere in the second half has to sit out a game or two with an injury and all of Chicago is suddenly debating about who his replacement should be… it would be an embarrassing mess.

by The Spaniard on Aug 11, 2008 1:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you read mine wrong too....lol

We’re thinking along the same lines here: Keep Hanie, get Simms, ditch Orton or Rex, whoever loses the battle. I misunderstood and thought you wanted to ditch Hanie for Simms.

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by ChiFan13 on Aug 11, 2008 2:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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