Post Game Notes
by Adam T on Sep 16, 2008 7:31 AM CDT
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Judging from Jason McKie's story it sounds like the Panthers knew what the Bears were going to run on that late game 4th and 1.
''It was tough, man,'' McKie said. ''They had a good defense called. They knew that play was coming. We ran it a couple times during the game. That's something that we have to get, third-and-1s, fourth-and-1s. We have to convert that.''
What was a giveaway was the Bears brought in their heavy personnel, including rookie tight end Kellen Davis, from the sideline. McKie had carried the ball earlier on first-and-goal from the 1.
So everybody knew the play we were running and we ran it anyways? Brilliant!
Manning Up
Danieal Manning could see action if Brandon McGowan's sprained ankle is not ready and also more return time if Devin Hester can't go.
Payne in Carolina's Side
Strong safety Kevin Payne was credited with a team-high 13 tackles following coaches' review of film. Defensive tackle Dusty Dvoracek made nine. Linebackers Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher had five each.
Me Jake, You Jane!
Apparently Carolina cryer Jake Delhomme got in Urlacher's face while doing his best Tarzan impersonation.
The hit seemed to energize Delhomme, who jumped to his feet and pounded his chest while engaging in a conversation with Brian Urlacher.
"I told him to get off the field," Urlacher said. "It would have been different had they gotten the first down. Then I would have been ticked. But it was fourth down so, 'Go to the sideline. Your field-goal team is coming in.' "
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I'vr already commented in like 3 other threads
That they knew that play was coming. We used it earlier in the game, and Carolina wasn’t going to get beat on it again. Bad, bad play calling.
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Urlacher...
What a bad ass. Kevin Payne is making strides and I like that. Hopefully he will continue to see more time, especially if Penalty McGee (McGowan) is hurt for awhile.
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by Sam Householder on Sep 16, 2008 9:28 AM CDT reply actions
Payne looked good all game
With the exception of one play: he got trucked by Stewart.
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stewarts a load
we should be thankful john fox didn’t think enough to use him in the first half. Ug-lee.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 16, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
JStew
Stewart is going to be a beast! Deangello is good, but too small for a defense like yours. What sucks is that John Fox always sticks with his veterans… I guarantee you no matter how well Stewart plays, Deangello will start every game this year.
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by southtunnel on Sep 16, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a McGowan fan...
And I have no idea why he’s our nickel back… he’s a safety, not a coverage guy.
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So is Payne the guy playing in place of Chris Harris?
He did have a good game, some nice tackles. No shame in getting ‘trucked’ by Stewart, he’s a load with a low center of gravity.
I love Jake Delhomme but I can understand why he gets the ‘whiner’ moniker from other fans. It was on display against the Bears when the Panthers got 5 FS penalties…in the first half. The defense can bark all they want to disrupt the snap count, its the o-lines job to ignore it.
Come on guys…you know that hit on Delhomme by Briggs was cheap!!
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give me a break
if the tackle is initiated at the same time as the slide its a fair play.
There was nothing cheap about that hit.
The Bears learned a lesson vs Tom Brady… you can’t take the QB slide for granted. Urlacher had the position on Brady to tackle him in the open field, and pulled up because he thought Brady would slide…. well, Brady kept running and ran right past him. Lesson learned, and nothing taken for granted.
Delhomme slid late on that play… he brought the pain upon himself.
As for Payne, they drafted him last year and really liked him in camp, which created a numbers game… leading to the Chris Harris trade. Payne unfortunately got hurt in week 2 and was done for the year.
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Nope
Sorry, it wasn’t. If Jane Jake had slide earlier, then yes, it would have been. However, Briggs had already committed.
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It was helmet to helmet
and he was obviously trying to take him out. I wasn’t referring to the timing, Jake did slide late. Briggs dove leading with his helmet. I was surprised in this day of protecting the QB that a flag wasn’t thrown. I’ve seen lesser hits get flagged.
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Of course Briggs was trying to take him out
It’s football! I’d expect Briggs to go balls out every play.
I didn’t notice that it was helmet to helmet. I’ll go back and take a looksie.
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don't think
helmet to helmet applies across the line of scrimmage.
maybe it does though, i can’t think of it being called in the normal field of play.
Of course he dove leading with his helmet
How else would you dive? Leading with your a55?
Briggs dove to make a tackle… Delhomme slid underneath the tackle. Plain and simple. End of discussion. If you’re gonna run the football, nobody’s going to pull up and stand there and watch you, just because you’re a QB.
That’s why the slide rule was put into place… but, there’s one catch: you have to commit to the slide before the defender attempts to tackle you.
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Lead w/ your shoulder.
It’s proper tackling technique. I didn’t see the play, but implying there isn’t another way to tackle shows lack of understanding of tackling fundamentals… and the jargon w/in the game.
i actually thought
he hit him with the shoulder.
HE DOVE! He wasn't standing on his feet trying to wrap up a tackle.
Here… why don’t you try this when you get home from work.
Go in the back yard, run about 5 yards, and dive at something like you’re trying to tackle it. A garbage bag of leaves, your kid’s stuffed animal. Something. I don’t care what.
Then, tell me where your head was at the point of contact. You’ll have your answer.
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Flagged for what?
What’s your call Mr. Referee?
Unnecessary roughness? Doesn’t apply here. Briggs’ tackle attempt was necessary, because the ball carrier was still running when Briggs began his tackle attempt.
Helmet to helmet? “The NFL has told its officiating crews to start ejecting players for flagrant helmet-to-helmet hits.” The contact that occured on Delhomme was a result of his late slide, nto a result of a flagrant attempt to use a helmet as a spear.
Contact to the QBs head? Doesn’t apply here… the QB was no longer a QB, he was out of the pocket, past the LOS, and in effect a ball carrier.
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If memory serves me correct
Briggs hit Delhomme in the shoulder with his helmet and the force drove his head into the ground. I think Briggs may have hit Delhomme’s helmet with his body as he rolled over him as well, but I don’t recall any helmet to helmet contact.
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by thecubreporter on Sep 16, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Cat scratch fever
As a blogger, and a true football fan you should know better. A lot of rules are in place to keep the QB healthy, but this is rediculous. If Delhomme takes his time sliding then Briggs and any other defensive player has the right to commit to tackling him. Yes tackling involves leading with your head. Most of the time off to one side or the other, but still “leading” with your head. It’s obvious you never played a lick of football or wasn’t very good at it. Be happy with a cheap, fortunate win. 214 yards is hardly winning material.
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Hardly Winning?
It was 3 points more than Chicago had. Plus Carolina was playing without their best player. Steve Smith is good for at least 1.5 TDs a game, meaning Carolina’s average points will be at about 33.5 per game! Thats a TD and field goal ahead of Chicagos 23 per game average.
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by southtunnel on Sep 16, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Given the king
Yes, the Bears gave Carolina the game. The sure handed Olsen had his worst game of his career with two fumbles on weak tackles. You’re team is also lucky that Orton missed wide open WRs twice, one for a long TD to Booker. Plus, the Bears best weapon was hurt for most the game as well. Not a very good argument. 1.5 TD per game? Are you figgin’ serious. That would mean Smith would almost have the record for TDs by a WR in one season. Did you just make up that stat?
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+1.5 TDs
So when the Bears force fumbles it is cuz of there defense, when their oponents do it, the Bears gave it to them? Chris Harris had more forced fumbles last year than anyone on your team… you didn’t give him that!
Since you are not familiar with great offensive players, let me explain something. When Steve Smith is on the field you have to double or triple team him to slow him down. If you don’t he torches even the best defenses… like in ‘05, remember. So you double him, but that leaves other receivers wide open. As we showed you last week, Muhammad and Hackett can make plays even when they are covered… when their open they take it to the house! Also you can’t stack 10 in the box anymore! And with 2-3 guys chasing Smitty around when Jonathan Stewart runs into your secondary there isn’t anyone there to stop him. So whether Smitty scores or not, he brings at least 1.5 more TDs. That means the next game we win… Bears 23, Panthers 33!
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Can I see the stats on your Harris arguement?
Harris may have had more last year, but since 2003 only Nate Clements has more forced fumbles than Charles Tillman, so don’t come over here playing up Harris as something we don’t have.
Likewise, take a look at takeaway numbers for the past 4-5 years, I’d bet we are close to the top there.
As far as the when the Bears do its because of their defense, when everybody else does the Bears gave it to them, firstly you have to look at the fumble. The two Olsen ones your D didn’t do anything in particular to cause them. Olsen was careless.
Secondly, yes I could argue that point. Certain teams based on the way they are coached are more likely to cause fumbles based on the way they tackle as opposed to just hitting hard. The Bears are coached to go for the ball while they tackle. They are coached to hold the guy up with one guy and a second guy comes in and goes for the ball.
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Great Point
You are right. Tillman is among the top leaders a couple years ago. Harris is the best now. And your sucky TE just made his job easier.
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
yes
that is why the panthers win so many superbowls, playoff games, etc.
Another Great Point!
The Panthers have been in 8 playoff games over the last 5 years. That’s more than the Bears and most other teams. It is why they win so many playoff games… like the one they won in ’05 against tha Bears.
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Last I checked
we’ve had more success in recent years. Your QB played worse than Orton. You guys have a weak division and still can’t get to the playoffs the past 2 years.
by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
qb
so Jake just led us to 2 of his 15 career 4th quarter comebacks, yet he is not as good as your QB who can only throw about 5 yards. Jake wins games, but obviously you guys don’t care about that.
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oh yea… And last year we didn’t make the playoffs because Jake was out.
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ahahahahaha
Wow. You’re awesome dude….you are definitely good for a laugh. Come back anytime you want.
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If that's your reason...
then we didn’t make the playoffs cause half our defense was out. We had 3 pro bowlers out on defense.
I’m starting to think the only reason you are here is cause all the Carolina fans probably kicked you out of your own chat forum for making inadequate posts.
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by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
nah
I’m here for the simple fact that you guys can’t admit that the Panthers out played you when it really counted. And they did it without their best player.
Dont worry I have already started my transition to Daily Norseman… and I must admit, even though they are not as good of a team, they sure are more honest about their opponents.
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To be honest...
I like Carolina, always have. They play just like us. I like Steve Smith because he’s an undersized WR that can scorch any secondary. I like Peppers cause he’s a bad ass DE (even though he’s coming off a down year.) The D-line is always solid.
I’m, aware they did it without Smith. That’s great. But it doesn’t mean your posts and insight are correct. It’s actually way off base. which is why, like I said earlier, know one wants you around on your own forum.
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by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Way off base?
That’s funny cuz except for the Julius Peppers and d-line comment, you just said what I said. And actually Peppers did very little on Sunday, and has only had 2.5 sacks over the last 18 games! And our D-Line is the weakest part of our defense right now… Orton had all day. It was our back 7 that made plays. So its a little odd you are questioning someone elses insight.
But I know you are just trying to get personal to shut me up. No worries… once we take care of the Vikes, and you smack around the Bucs, then we can be friends again.
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I'll admit it
Carolina outplayed us when they had to. Doesn’t mean you’re a better team than us overall. We have Kyle freakin Orton as QB, and we still almost beat you. That’s the beauty of any given Sunday.
And really, Steve Smith is your best player? The way you’ve been going on and on about Jane, I thought he was your best player.
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'05 reversed?
Maybe your right. Jake sucks, Harris was given that fumble. And Jonathan Stewart, only ran well cuz he only had 28 yards to the end zone. Maybe this is ’05 reversed! And we will meet again in the Playoffs and you will get your revenge. At this point all I care about now is that you spank the Bucs this coming Sunday.
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never said anything about Orton being a better player
Orton sucks, I was just pointing out that last week Delhomme sucked worse, which is really hard to do. Look at the numbers.
BTW, it’s an easy comeback when we give you the ball at the 28.
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by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You dont get it
Winning is more important than stats. It doesn’t matter how many deep “5 yard” passes Orton completed. Jake just played ok against the Chargers. But when it really counted he ran the 2 minute flawlessly. Rivers and Orton had better games, but Jake and out played them when it counted most.
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I agree
About the stats. And I know what I saw. I saw a Chicago defense that was dead tired cause the offense can’t hold on to the ball.
Chris Harris won that game for you, not Jake.
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by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Jake Haters
I guess I can agree with that. Of course Jake did throw that dagger to put us on the 1 yard line, that Stewart punched in. I just feel the need to defend Jake, cuz there are a lot of Jake-Haters out there.
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been in them?
who cares about “being in them” its about winning them.
still waiting to hear how otah will sit on forte.
maybe otah will sit on peterson now?
We were in the Superbowl more recently then you.
And yes, that would mean we won playoff games.
by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Why are you talking about Otah, he almost cost you the game with his penalties.
by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
dude
if you can’t keep up who’s who or what, then stop talking.
Point Taken
I thought you were southtunnel. Why did you reply to my post though?
by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
mike you are so smart
you go to the next one without one. We’ve been to 2 NFC Championships in 5 years
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How many superbowl championships....
Yeah, that’s what I thought. We have so many league championships you need two hands to count ’em.
Also arguably the best team and defense in history.
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by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems like you are having a hard time handling your new found success....
And I’m sorry to say, short term. With your pitty pat schedule you’ll probably make the playoffs, one and done, and then I’ll make sure to visit your site next year for your 6-10 campaign. How does that sound Jack? See you soon!
schedule
so I guess you include the Bears and Chargers on that Pitty pat schedule?
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1.5 TDs?
Since when does Steve Smith average 1.5 TDs a game?
That is absurd.
Do you realize that would be 24 TDs a season?
He actually averages .4 TDs per game.
0.4 and 1.5. I guess they are kinda’ close.
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by big_lowitzki on Sep 17, 2008 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you read posts or just comment?
Like I said above, Smitty makes the whole team better. Since you have to double and triple team him, other guys are open. And therefore they score more.
I don’t expect you to understand this. You haven’t had a offensive threat like Smitty in many, many years.
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
back it up
Instead of making crap up, tell us exactly how Steve Smith is worth 1.5 TDs per game. Just because you say it is do doesn’t make it true.
Look, your team won. But you are doing your best making yourself look more foolish with every comment you post.
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by big_lowitzki on Sep 18, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
God bless you big_low
Where were you this week? Could’ve used you on here a little earlier.
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heh...
i have been around and trying to ignore certain individuals.
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by big_lowitzki on Sep 18, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Holy leap of faith
Batman!
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by thecubreporter on Sep 17, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
All I said was the hit was 'cheap'
I didn’t say it was ‘illegal’ since no play is illegal until a flag is thrown and in this case it wasn’t. Was it a close play? Yes, I agree. At the same time Briggs could have pulled up to some degree, he had time. Instead he close to leave his head down and aim for Jakes’ head. It was a grazing blow to Jake head that that came a split second after Jake hit the ground. If Jon Beason had hit Orton the same way I would still think it was cheap. As pointed out later in this thread, in the end it hurt the Bears because it fired up the rest of the team. I don’t understand why its so hard to admit it was cheap. Didn’t I admit Jake is a whiner? I still love the guy I just don’t let my love of the team cloud my objectivity.
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Rattling the QB, good start to 08
Watching Delhomme get so affected by the Bears defense reminded me of the way Phillip Rivers got shaken up and rattled by the Bears at the start of 07 when Tommie Harris controlled the line. Halfway through the first quarter of the 08 season the defense has definitely showed up to play and play hard they have. The middle has been strong on defense with Dvocarcek, Harrison, and Harris and the secondary is healthy, Tillman, Vasher , and Brown! Say what the critics may about Orton, his leadership has resulted in more ball control behind center, more time of possession for the offense, zero interceptions, and a steady running game with an elusive Forte. All this with an offensive line half of what they were when they went to the superbowl. This has meant very positive things for the defense, mainly staying fresh and off the field more, and coming in hungry, not tired or hurting. Having two consecutive road wins and stunning both the Colts and Panthers at home was very unforeseen two weeks ago. Pipedream really. But the Bears stunned the Colts in their brand new barn and they almost beat the resurgent Panthers at home…..they let the game slip. I don’t anticipate Olson their tight end fumbling like he did on Sunday again. He has been playing like a first rounder and besides some growing pains, he has been a weapon. Before we jump to conclusions, lets see what the Bears do at their home opener. Last time I saw Orton at Soldier Field, in the preseason against the 49ers, he was sharp and precise. I expect more of that not less.
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Sep 16, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions
Stupid Play!
It doesn’t matter whether it was cheap, or legal… It was stupid! Briggs should have known that nearly knocking Jake’s head off was either going to penalyze the Bears, or motivate the Panthers. It did the latter. The Panthers admitted that was the turning point. They came back with a vengeance and dominated the 4th quarter.
Briggs is a typical block head… all power…. no brains.
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by southtunnel on Sep 16, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Typical block head?
Good talk, buddy. You clearly have no idea what football is like between the hashes.
Speaking of stupid, it isn’t spelled ‘penalyze’….try penalize.
And, didn’t you say that you were heading off to Minnesota’s blog? Bye-bye.
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between the hashes
He lost the game for you! Are you saying that is what football is like for the Bears? Losing the game is what football has become for Bears fans?
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Dude, just leave
Greg Olsen and Kyle Orton lost the game for us. Give me a break.
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100% Accurate
To even think that that play on Delhomme was the game changer is obsurd. It’s people like southtunnel that makes Bears fans sound like idiots.
by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I take it back...sorda
The comment about Delhomme is wrong, but I read some of your other posts and they are valid.
by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
Now you and southtunnel can be best friends, while I go make Bears fans sound like idiots. Have fun!
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Exaclty what I mean.
That statement has nothing to do with anything relevant about the bears.
by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not
But you made a statement just like that right above me, so quit the Mother Teresa act on me.
Explain to me why the Briggs hit was the game changer, since you believe it.
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Are you on something?
This is like the 3rd post you have accused me of saying something I didn’t.
Here is my post:
“To even think that that play on Delhomme was the game changer is obsurd. It’s people like southtunnel that makes Bears fans sound like idiots.”
If you are referring to the post i had after that, I was talking about his comments on Chris Harris.
by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I was saying you were 100% accurate by telling him to leave
Jeez
by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
that makes sense.
What is he doing here?
by jeffgeorge88 on Sep 17, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a troll
He came on here and talked a bunch of BS before the game. And, now you can see he’s doing it afterwards too. Not worth our time, really.
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Does it really matter?
We made mistakes that you scored off of, and you made mistakes that we scored off of. We scored more points. No matter who is responsible, we are the better team. Now that Smitty is back, we are a much better team.
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Watch the replay!
Again, you obviously haven’t played football before. If you did, you would know once you commit to tackling someone you can’t stop in mid-air and change your mind or direction. It wasn’t called a penalty because it wasn’t one.
So Smith is so good he couldn’t lead your pathetic team to the playoffs last year? Oh that’s right 1.5 TDs a game. Go make up another stat you can’t back up.
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Of course!
Why is this even a discussion? Harris led the NFL in forced fumbles last year, and is already doing it agian this year. You guys said he couldn’t cover, yet the Panthers have only given up one deep ball this year, and that was Godfrey, the other safeties mistake. Harris has been money!
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by southtunnel on Sep 16, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Orton?
I’m sorry, but the reason why we have been able to control the ball is because of Forte. We all saw what happen to Orton once we had 3rd and longs.
its actually kinda exciting
you think orton can finish the entire year with something like 2400 yards 0 tds 0 ints?
i’d call that a successful year… i mean isnt that what the bears are looking for?
That's what you would think.
Of course every post game show I’ve heard since as long as I can remember people are calling in saying “let’s open up the playbook” Yet those same people want noodle arm Orton to play. I like Orton, I was behind him 100% when he was thrown in as a rookie. But C’mon, make a play.
3rd and 1?
Judging from Jason McKie’s story it sounds like the Panthers knew what the Bears were going to run on that late game 3rd and 1.
It wasn’t 3rd down. It was 4th down.
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I like Orton but...
on some of those deep passes( i can remember at least 3 one specifically, the one to Booker) IMO Grossman couldve made those throws and that couldve changed the game.
Early in the game Orton underthrew Brandon Lloyd,
late in the game he overthrew Marty Booker.
Likely as not, he threw the same ball both times—it’s just that one receiver is that much slower (faster) than the other.
I wonder if part of the problem is that, because of the Bears random receiver rotation, Orton can’t settle in on any kind of timing in the deep passing game.
Statistics show that of those who contract the habit of eating, very few survive. (Wallace Irwin)
Makes sense
because i remember Grossman always hitting Berrian becuase he was his favorite receiver. And whats up with Rasheed Davis, in the preseason he seemed like Ortons favorite target and now hes disapeared in the first 2 games.
I think the problem is
that Kyle Orton isn’t very good at throwing a football more than 5 yards.
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by thecubreporter on Sep 17, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Completely true
He hit Hester last year on a bomb, but besides that he’s horribly innaccurate on deeper passes. If he doesn’t start to hit those open WRs soon then this team could be in trouble.
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You guys seems pretty wound up. Is that my fault or are you guys always like this? Here in the South we are pretty laid back.
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For the most part i’m laid back as well, but when it comes to football i get pretty fired up. I live in Denver, which is an easy going city compared to Chitown. Who doesn’t get upset when their team leads for over 31/2 quarters and then lose on a few very bad plays?
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
We didn't run the ball, and we didn't stop the run, that is why we lost
We know why Orton is the QB. He was brought in to execute a scheme that the Bears win on. Run the ball and stop the run. Hit the TE’s and slot receivers with pass bullets and get the first downs, like Orton has done, when defenses box the run. Last season they tried throw the ball pass happy QB’s and they got slaughtered by the run because the passing turnovers were killer, especially from Griese. The defense was worn down and offense was often off the field when they reached the 40-50 pass plateau. Having Berrian and Muhammad as receivers, proven guys, didn’t help much. Against the Panthers, when they needed to give the Ball to Forte on crucial 3rd and 1’s and 4th and 1’s they didn’t do it and thats what Forte was brought in to do!! The defense in the second half allowed a running game from Jonathan Stewart that is unacceptable, his two touchdowns killed us. Run the ball and stop the run. The running game and the defense is the core of this team, not the QB. If it was the QB we’d see alot of emphasis on receivers on this team. Reality is once november and december rolls around, the pass game chills in chicago and it comes down to who can slice up the field with big runs. The Bears must have the big runs and they must stop the big runs. Otherwise, we get the winter blues in the windy city.
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Sep 18, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions
Defense wore down, just like you said.
That’s why they gave up late TDs. Plus, Carolina won the field position battle because Orton failed miserably to hit wide open WRs on two crucial situations. If he hits Booker we wouldn’t be talking about this. That wasn’t a very tough pass to make for a NFL QB.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
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