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Bears Lose 4th Quarter Lead...Again, Lose to Bucs 27-24 (OT)

Kyle Orton had what might be his best day numbers wise as a pro, at least in the second half, but the Bears manage to give away another game.

Orton ended with 268 yards  and gets his first 2 TDs as well as his first 2 INTs of the season, granted one of them was more on the reciever.

Forte had another all around good day with 151 total  yards and a TD, but gave up the first interception in the end zone.

The defense ended the game winded and couldn't really stop anything.  They got lucky on a intentional grounding call that gave them the ball in OT, but couldn't do anything with it and gave it back to the Bucs who drove down for an field goal.

The Bears former QB Brian Griese looked ugly at times and great at others.  He ended with 407 yards, 2TDs and 3 INTs.

What is your take?

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i wonder

if the team is man enough now to apologize to all those writers who doubted them.

hillenmeyer doesn’t show much in pass coverage, not sure how long we’ll have to deal with that.

by mike b on Sep 21, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing

I know we’ll get another quote about how it’s his bad and he screwed up. I don’t want to continue hearing that, I want results.

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by ChiFan13 on Sep 21, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that personal foul at the end should have been offset

it was clearly a foul on the bucs OL. but tillman still shouldn’t have come in like that. absolutely killed us. we probably would have had the ball around midfield. also, rashied davis letting that orton bullet go right through his hands on 3rd down late in the 4th quarter was also a killer. we totally outplayed the bucs (until the end, when our D was just gassed). we should be 3-0. these little mistakes are killing us.

by guy incognito on Sep 21, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The little mistakes

are the difference between 1-2 and 3-0 in the NFL.

Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!

by GallopingGhost on Sep 21, 2008 6:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The refs...

…just cost us the game.

Tampa would have ben punting from the 10 and we would have had the ball at or around midfield. The dude punched our guy and Tillman tried to pull him off. What a bullshit call. I hope some fan punches the ref in the face as he leaves Soldier Field.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no actually

the bears sucking ass cost the game.

how many plays did they have afterward to stop them? exactly.

by mike b on Sep 21, 2008 3:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude

if you think that was a legit call you’re crazy. It was 4th down! They would have punted from inside the endzone and we would have had the ball right around midefield. That took all of the momentum away from the defense.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 3:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

but you can’t seriously blame that drive on the defense. They were so good right away and that took everything away from them. If they get the ball at midefield, they win.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes i can

they failed, just like they did to end regulation.

by mike b on Sep 21, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No just no

This is the second game in the row where the team took advantage of our D’s fatigue. Tillman shouldn’t responded like that no matter what happened.

Do not blame the refs for the poor performance at the end of the game. The Bucs knew they could take advantage of our D late in the game and they did

by 815Sox on Sep 21, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All I'm saying..

..is that the offense would have been on the field and thus the Bucs wouldn’t have moved downfield. That took the entire momentum from us and it was one of the wrost calls you’ll see.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

woulda-coulda-shoulda, yeah?

Don’t make that the theme of this season.

by tyger1147 on Sep 21, 2008 4:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Worst calls you'll see?

No. the last guy to swing ALWAYS gets called. Peanut needs to rein in his emotions and play under control, he’s a vet.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 6:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bears had something like

31 to 15 min advantage in time of possession going into the 4th quarter….

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by thecubreporter on Sep 21, 2008 5:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not a chance bro

If we hadn’t been so god damn soft in the first place and held onto a lead, we wouldn’t have been in that situation. That’s the bottom line.

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by ChiFan13 on Sep 21, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Three reasons we lost...

1) Turner should have run with Forte instead of that QB roll-run.

2) Davis NEEDS to make that catch. That puts us right around field goal range.

3) That penalty was one of the worst calls I have EVER seen. That’s the reason we lost.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 3:55 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What a stupid call.

No, Tillman shouldn’t have come in after the play was over, but it’s still absurd that they fouled him instead of the people who started the fight. How is it possible that there’s not an automatic booth review of every call in overtime, like there is in the last two minutes? We had opportunities, but it’s hard to capitalize on them when you’ve just been robbed sometimes.

—d

by itsugly on Sep 21, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Penalties aren't reviewable anyway though.

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by DrGalazkiewicz on Sep 21, 2008 5:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turner

Did he leave the booth in that third quarter? The Bears actually passed to their fricken recievers. Do that the entire game and we score near 40.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, orton finally started playing his game

he was terrible until the 3rd quarter. the only passes he threw well were short screens. he tried to throw beyond his range a few times. finally, on the TD drive to pull ahead, he started throwing in the 7-15 yard range, which is what he does well.

by guy incognito on Sep 21, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IDK

If he was bad or if it was Turner. They didn’t throw to the recievers until the third quarter, every run was up the middle and what kind of call was that screen play?

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that screen play...

… was a fine call.

Orton just f’d it up be throwing to the other team.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 21, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My take is that we would have been in position to win

if there wasnt a personal foul

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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Sep 21, 2008 4:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's my take too.

The guy would have been punting from inside the endzone and we would have needed maybe 20 yards to get to the 30.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i cant believe this right now

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Sep 21, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me either

I hope the ref gets suspended. How do you call that penalty in that situation? The dude threw punches and Tillman simply dove in there to get him off. What a fricken terrible call.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WE SUCK AGAIN

We need a bill Cowher and a full regime change. P.S. i bet Angelo could talk Riveria into coming back as D.C under Cowher That would be a friggin dream team

Jerry Angelo /GM
Bill Cowher / HC/ OC
Marc Rivera/ DC

by WavyGravy on Sep 21, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea and riveria will refer to grossman

as a mental midget again

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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Sep 21, 2008 4:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need to add a Co-GM

Bring in anyone who has a clue about offense please.

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by SackMan on Sep 21, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so

at the end of 06-07 they were doing this because they were bored and thinking playoffs

last year it was injuries

this year….

by mike b on Sep 21, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was just not a good performance

That’s two straight demoralizing losses – not quite Chargers’ territory, but that’s two games they should have won. Forte looked good, but I can’t say that anyone else really looked good. I know I’ll get crucified for this, but Rex Grossman doesn’t lose that game.

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by ES46NE10 on Sep 21, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

???

What did Orton do? He threw that pick on the screen play, but it wasn’t a smart play call anyways. They had just run almost the same play a play earlier. I blame it more on Turner. He didn’t wake up until the second half and had another stupid third down call with 2:06 left in regulation. If they run with Forte and get it, TB has to use the rest of their timeouts. So if they do get it back, they have a lot less time and would need some lucky plays.

Also, I’d say Lloyd looked pretty good…

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most of it is on Turner

With Orton, it’s just that he doesn’t win you that game. That’s what happens. If Grossman is playing, then they can actually pull something out of their backsides in overtime. He’ll lose games (which Orton has done this season himself), but he can win them too.

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by ES46NE10 on Sep 21, 2008 4:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will say

that I thought it was a bad pass to Forte in the endzone. He should have thrown it earlier.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Orton had a good game

Better then I expected atleast

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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Sep 21, 2008 4:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think

He did anything wrong in the first half other than that screen. He shouldn’t have just thrown it. He never looked. But, the rest of the first half was play-calling.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea...

… nothing wrong except throwing a pick-six.

Hmm…

by big_lowitzki on Sep 21, 2008 7:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I blame

that just as much on Turner. We had just run a screen play. All he ever does is short crap.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 8:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you wonder why?

have you seen orton throw deep balls this year?!

by Jbasic89 on Sep 21, 2008 8:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

turner...

… had nothing to do with Orton deciding to to throw a ball right to the Tampa player.

If Rex did that everyone would be saying that Rex sucks and makes poor decisions.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 21, 2008 11:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did you watch the second half?

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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Sep 21, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

250 yards, 2 TDs and 2 picks

Is a genuine Grossman-game, except with no threat of the deep ball. It’s just annoying.

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by ES46NE10 on Sep 21, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he could have been a man

and taken the sack instead of throwing to it to gaines adams.

by rahulsriram on Sep 21, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Because if there’s one thing I think about when I think about Rex Grossman, it’s “pocket presence” and “not making stupid throws”. Do you even remember that dude?

—d

by itsugly on Sep 21, 2008 4:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

isn't the whole point of the Orton era

though that he doesn’t make stupid mistakes and won’t turnover the ball? (not that I agree with that assesment)

cause he’s certainly not there for his rocket arm…

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by thecubreporter on Sep 21, 2008 6:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess.

He had one shitty interception and one that required heroic effort on the part of the defender. He stabilized in the second half in ways that Grossman never did. If we’re playing “what would Rex have done”, I think you’re more likely to see four turnovers than none.

—d

by itsugly on Sep 21, 2008 7:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess.

He had one shitty interception and one that required heroic effort on the part of the defender. He stabilized in the second half in ways that Grossman never did. If we’re playing “what would Rex have done”, I think you’re more likely to see four turnovers than none.

—d

by itsugly on Sep 21, 2008 7:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he has also had 3 picks dropped

by my count. i’m just saying, his luck has gone both ways and by the end of the year it will even out and he’ll end up turning the ball over at a decent rate.

by lopey986 on Sep 21, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He;ll also choose to throw to a guy

who’s covered like a blanket, instead of finding the more open man. It happens a lot!

Watch the post-game coverage throughout the week… they’ll highlight all of these mistakes. They showed all his bad decisions vs the Panthers in the pre-game today. Constantly NOT SEEING the wide open man underneath, and instead throwing to someone in tight coverage.

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by SackMan on Sep 21, 2008 9:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently...

Grossman would have run onto the field and grabbed Charles Tillman before he dove into that pileup? Or he’d have put glue on Rashied Davis’ hands. And Nathan Vasher’s, and Lance Briggs’, for that matter. He’d have used his telepathy to send every play Griese was about to call in the no-huddle to Urlacher’s helmet, and he’d have avoided those sacks by cleverly putting the ball into the hands of the oncoming defensive players, to remove their motivation.

—d

by itsugly on Sep 21, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, It's Not Well Said

From my understanding, Chicago benched Rex in favor of Orton because Orton gives them a better chance to win and he doesn’t turn the ball over as much. I saw Kyle Orton unable to operate an offense for an entire half – how does that give you a chance to win? He had two bad interceptions. How is that different from Rex Grossman?

On an equally irritated note, Robbie Gould is still responsible for over half of my fantasy team’s points, and 8 guys have already played / are playing.

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by ES46NE10 on Sep 21, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Him not operating

had nothing to do with ability. I don’t care who you put out there, if you don’t throw to the recivers, and throw to just Forte and Mckie, you’re not going to move the ball. Lloyd didn’t touch the ball one time in the first half and ended with 124 yards…

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turner Die, Lovie Die

The play calling is F@#%ing horrible, come we can’t stick to whats works. Find a weakness and bleed it. Did we really not call a time out to stop momentum in the final drive; Lovie has done nothing for this teamand shouldshould be gone!

by stumpo on Sep 21, 2008 4:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The timeout thing in the final drive...

Is a good point. The rest- hell, I thought that Turner looked pretty good after the halftime adjustments.

—d

by itsugly on Sep 21, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My take?

They are one of the shittiest teams in the league

by 815Sox on Sep 21, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am

Talent wise we are not the worst, but we have some major holes (including playcalling) that can be exploited…

Our D is good, but they will not be able to finish the games if our offense remains unable to do anything… same shit… different year

by 815Sox on Sep 21, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Play calling...

We might have the worst in Turner. I’d say Vikings are a close second. They did some of the same stupid crap we did today.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

We had a 10 point lead though, no excuse for todays loss really

by 815Sox on Sep 21, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very true...

We needed that first down on 3&2. Plus when we gave up the field goal drive, we did to much prevent crap.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really

That offense you refer to scored 24 points today. That’s above average in the NFL, plenty to win with a good defense as you state. The defense is to blame, not the offense that put up 415 yards against a very good defense. No sacks, and countless dropped Ints, and one huge penalty.

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 8:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shittiest team in the league?

Have you seen the Lions, Rams, Browns or Chiefs yet?

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 6:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

but we’re nowhere near as bad as the Rams, Raiders, Browns or Chiefs. THEY are the shitty level.

Even the most negative among us have to admit that.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 6:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

raiders were shitty last year too

and it took a lot of effort to beat them.

by mike b on Sep 21, 2008 6:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true

but that was last year on the road.

what a shit hole of season last years was. awful. I still can’t believe we got swept by the Lions & Vikes.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 6:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

but the only difference so far is that the raiders may be better this year.

i wouldn’t die from shock if it happened again this year.

by mike b on Sep 21, 2008 6:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree.

I don’t think they’re that good.

by tyger1147 on Sep 21, 2008 7:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll say a good game

Orton did a decent job managing the game, the two picks didn’t help at all but at least he had two td’s to go along w/ it. Lloyd looked like a #1 receiver, the one we so desperately need and the D played great up until the 4th quarter. I say if Hester was in the game we win. Unfortunately, he wasn’t. Something must be done ab. Hillenmeyer. I respect him for all he’s done for Chicago but his pass coverage is awful. Grossman would not have won that game, sorry fellows. Yes Lovie die, ur death will mean much greater things for an offense that the OC calls horrible play calls for. Forte once again shined. Two close losses? I can live w/ that. Had Tillman not gotten flagged for an apparent personal foul against TB, Gould kicks the game winning field goal, not the other way around.

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by Acreman20 on Sep 21, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One good thing is Forte

I didn’t think he would be all that good

by 815Sox on Sep 21, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Beekman???

Has he “nailed down” a spot? I didn’t watch him that often, but the few times I did, for a second-year player, he seemed to hold his own.

Forte and Beekman might be the two best things to come out of this season. If williams can be a Top-10 LT in the league and Beekman turns out to be average, having a “home-built” 2/5ths of an offensive line 2 to 3 years down the road would be awesome.

by tyger1147 on Sep 21, 2008 5:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True, but...

… in a way that’s the scary part. A rookie RB has been the most dependable offensive player so far.

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by DrGalazkiewicz on Sep 21, 2008 5:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chicago fans just hate on their QB no matter what

When Grossman was in everyone wanted Orton, now Orton is in and a couple of dudes here what Grossman… negative negative negative… think positive… and we should get rid of Turner first

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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Sep 21, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turner needs to be gone...

…before we can judge out QBs. Why didn’t we use Lloyd in the first half? Why did we do screens and short three-yards passes play after play? Why did we run up the middle twice when he got the the 15?

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How can you say that?

Turner has some of the worst talent on offense, bar none!

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Worst talent?

To my knowledge Forte has been great. Lloyd has looked great. We’ve lost two games by a combined 6 points.

In Carolina we had 2&1 and didn’t make it. We ran up the middle with Mckie instead of Forte and did a screen to the WR. Today we had 3$2 with 2:06 left and a first would have forced TB to use their final timeouts. Plus we could have run more clock and a first would have ended the game in regulation.

Plus, how do you justify not using the WR even one time in the first half? They seemed to play great, but we waited until the 3rd quarter.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it Turner though?

I just can’t blame it on the player because Forte and Lloyd have proven they can make plays. The play calling is to predicatable and inconsistent.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, it's Turner.

It’s also the players. If you think this team has the talent to be a Top-10 offense, you’re coming to poor conclusions. Yes, they should be better than what they are, and replacing Turner would help that. However, they have one of the worst QB’s in the entire league (no matter who is starting), a pretty pedestrian receiving corps and an aging o-line.

by tyger1147 on Sep 21, 2008 5:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

by "using the wr"

do you think that turner has pass plays called where wr’s are not an option?

by mike b on Sep 21, 2008 5:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They never

even attempted to throw to them. AND it had nothing to do with Orton. It was clear that the plays were designed to go short to Forte and Mckie. The one time they used more than two WR in the first half, it was 3&1.

Look what happened when they finally put three and four guys wide! They moved down the field and scored a TD!

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 5:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh huh?

Name me a Bears Pro Bowl player at a skill position on offense since Turner took over as coordinator? Yeah, that’s what I thought.

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 6:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how much of that is talent and how much of that is turner putting guys in crappy positions

to succeed and put up the numbers it takes to go to the probowl?

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 6:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not true

It’s not Turner’s fault Angelo hasn’t been able to draft successful offensive players in his tenure. They’ve all been train wrecks. Forte and possibly Olsen will be the first two good ones, and I’m not sure about the latter.

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 8:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that was my point

putting everything on Turner is stupid.

I frankly blame the McCaskeys. What should be a perpetually great team (big market, legendary history) and they always manage to mess it up.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the screen...

… was an audible from Orton. Or, in other words, not Turner’s fault.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 21, 2008 7:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Han-IE! Han-IE! Han-IE! LOL

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by DrGalazkiewicz on Sep 21, 2008 5:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Moral of the story

Is that if you can get away with punching and elbowing a defenseless player then do it. How can the refs not call a personal foul early in the game, but call one when Tillman is trying to protect his teammate in the deciding minutes? Obsolutely rediculous! The Bears would’ve won for sure with at the very least getting the ball at the 50.

No, I’m not hating on Orton because he played a good game. If Forte comes up with that TD, and Davis makes that catch the game isn’t even close.

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 4:37 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh well

Still a stupid penalty from Tillman… we had a 10 point lead. Don’t blame the refs, bad calls happen

by 815Sox on Sep 21, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It should be reviewable because it cost them the game.

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shoulda woulda coulda

Again, who cares? We had a 10 point lead and totally blew it.

I hate it when people try to make excuses for shit play… sure we played decently for awhile but in the end it didn’t matter did it?

by 815Sox on Sep 21, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I care

Because the refs should not flag someone who is only protecting a teammate. The refs are setting a bad precedent by penalizing someone who “pushes” a player, but not when someone is pinned down and getting punched and elbowed. Where were the flags on the first two plays of the game? The refs are to blame by not setting the tone early in the game.

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 6:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They'll review it and punish the Tampa player w/ a monetary fine.

Thus, no precedent. Heat of the moment = 2nd guy always gets caught. Sometimes the first guy does.

by tyger1147 on Sep 21, 2008 7:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't get it

Where were the refs looking when the scrum was happening? How can you not notice someone punching someone on the ground? The flag should’ve been thrown before Tillman even showed up. At the very least it should’ve been off-setting penalties.

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

doubtful

if the player isn’t penalized in game it’s unlikely he’ll be reprimanded following the game…they don’t want to make the refs look bad.

by lopey986 on Sep 21, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's not true at all.

It happens a lot. The Bears will most likely send in tape that to be reviewed. As propheteer implied (and we all saw), stuff gets missed. The league knows that. Sometimes they’ll take action on their own. Sometimes they have to be prompted.

by tyger1147 on Sep 22, 2008 8:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When someone

punches a player, it shouldn’t be called on the other team. That is more than a bad call. The refs just wanted to look like they had everything in control and blew it.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If only the Bears wouldn't have blown the 10-point lead...

….that play never would have happened.

Yeah, it was a horrible call, but there are bad calls through every game. And it’s pretty much an accepted lesson of life that the 2nd person is always the one who gets caught.

by tyger1147 on Sep 21, 2008 5:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wrong!

That intentional grounding call was the right one. Do you understand how that works? If the QB is not outside the hash marks and throws it to no one then it’s a penalty.

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turner Dumb

How can you support or defend this guy. So predictable and cannot exploit any defender for more than 5 plays. Does he feel bad for making Barber look bad. WHy fix whats not broken. No Tuner likes to go back and run everyhting up the fu#$ing middle when you expect it.

by stumpo on Sep 21, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He had

two good drives where he made some good calls. Other than that he runs up the middle to much, does to many screen passes and doesn’t use the WR enough. He is way to inconsistent and as you mention, predictable.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well um

He can’t go out there catch balls like when Forte dropped a sure TD, and Davis showed alligator arms on a catch that would’ve set up the game-winning FG. Coaches can only do so much. Ultimately, the players have to make the routine plays when opportunities are presented to them. Sorry but Turner is not to blame this time.

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 6:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

forte

dropped a for sure touchdown? were you watching that play? that ball was horribly under-thrown and forte was forced to stop and come back for it and try to out jump the defender and make a tough catch, plus the defender threw a hand up and it just happened to get in the way of the ball.

by lopey986 on Sep 21, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good throw

How many times have you seen an underthrown ball in the end-zone result in a TD? It happens at least once a game at the bare minimum. If Orton had thrown it where it “should’ve been” then it would have been incomplete or intercepted. It’s not his fault the ball went right through Forte’s hands and tipped luckily to the defender. The ball was thrown correctly because the defender was shading him deep.

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by propheteer on Sep 22, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO Playoffs

We won’t go anywher with Lovie and Turner. I am goiing back and rooting for the 4-12 season so we can get some coaches fired. hint LOVIE…

by stumpo on Sep 21, 2008 4:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our only offense

in the first half was the fake-punt. We had so many chances to pull away early and settled for field goals.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 4:49 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This really shouldn't be a surprise

I’m just glad we have had some enjoyable to watch games so far… think of how bad the blowouts are going to be

by 815Sox on Sep 21, 2008 5:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well we started 1-2 in 2005 with Orton as our QB and we managed to go 11-5

Just trying to put a positive spin on it!

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by Chanman25 on Sep 21, 2008 5:09 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

turner is horrible

what sort of asshole tells his line not to block and his qb to suck?

by mike b on Sep 21, 2008 5:11 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

defense

why the hell were they winded, offense was on the field for around 40 minutes!

by lopey986 on Sep 21, 2008 5:16 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought

they blitzed to much on the later drives. I like when they do it, but it was clear that they were exploiting the areas where we were bringing guys from.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 5:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the bucs went to no huddle

you can’t rotate guys when the offense goes to hurry-up.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 6:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No... you can't rotate guys during a no-huddle.

BUT… you CAN force an incomplete pass to stop the friggin clock…

The way we played against the pass today resembled our dismal performance in the pre-season.

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by SackMan on Sep 21, 2008 9:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

timeout

We had a fu#@ing timeout we didn’t use to rest our guys and stop momentum!!!!!!

by stumpo on Sep 21, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Personally

I feel like this game was lost in the 1st quarter. When your defense GIVES you the ball inside the 20 (or 25 I can’t remember exactly where the first INT was), you HAVE GOT to score a TD.

Defense did melt down, but the offense NEEDS to be able to go for the juglar and put games away. We keep letting teams hang around. And that lies on Offense.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ditto.

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by SackMan on Sep 21, 2008 6:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree.

You cannot settle for field goals all the time in this league. Look what happened to the Vikings last week against the Colts after they settled for five. When you get the ball at the thirty you have to take some shots. Also, when you get a fake punt to the fifteen you can’t run up the middle twice.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 8:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously?

How many teams would love a 10 point lead with 3:30 minutes to go? No, the game was obviously lost in that span, not in the 1st quarter.

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 6:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes the defense melted down.

but you leave points on the board and let a team hang around they’re going to adjust and bite you in the ass.

"He's a pro. Me? I just try not to swear on the air.'' Bob Brenly talking about Len Kasper

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 6:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Contradiction much?

Well you said in the same sentence that it’s on the offense to put the game away, yet you state the defense melted down. Well, which one is it?

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 6:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what?

How is it a contradiction to say that the team lost the game?

The defense should make a 10 point lead stand up. But a competent offense should be able to put games away.

The offense lets a team hang around and then the defense gets worn out b/c of adjustments made by the other team and a lack of composure.

"He's a pro. Me? I just try not to swear on the air.'' Bob Brenly talking about Len Kasper

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 6:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Change up

You wen’t back and forth between the offense and defense. You said the offense needs to put the game away, but I believe 10 points with 3:30 remaining should be considered “putting a team away.”

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 7:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not if

they don’t try to run out the clock. Turner tried to see if Orton could roll out and run for it. Good idea there…

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 8:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure

Yeah I think if anyone can point the finger at Turner it’s on that play. Forte for the second straight week is ignored on crucial downs. With that said, the defense needs to stop their offense at least once.

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 8:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

10 points SHOULD be a good lead

but leaving points on the field bites you in the ass.

thats all my point is. the offense NEEDS to score touchdowns. The defense needs to not run out of gas or shoot itself in the foot by being stupid.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 8:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely the latter

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Sep 22, 2008 9:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look... I'm reading through all these comments.

And everyone says IF_____ … then, we would’ve won the game.

There were so many things the Bears could’ve done better to win this game. But, I’ll focus on the piss poor QB play in the first half. We had to settle for field goals after our D/ST continually set us up with fantastic field position. Orton was absolutely horrible in the first half… and also threw a TD pass to the wrong team. Our play calling was pretty questionable as well. I mean, I remember being in the shotgun on 3rd and 1 for crying out loud.

If we had better play from our QB, we would’ve had a lot more points on the board. And, if we had a better O-line, our awesome rookie RB would’ve had a lot more yards. Every yard he gets is practically self-made.

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by SackMan on Sep 21, 2008 6:10 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hillenmeyer should have seen that pass to Stevens coming

Honestly, I know they were in run formation but that was not an ideal match up and when the Bucs checked out of the run formation you think that Hunter would realize that the slat was a good possibility.

Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!

by GallopingGhost on Sep 21, 2008 6:44 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're 100% Right

He was a little late over there and then was slow off the snap too.

by Twins Territory on Sep 21, 2008 8:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What makes these losses so excruciating

Is that everyone knows the faults of this team, and aside from the Bears playing near perfect football on offense/defense/special teams the entire game, we will see them lose heart breakers like this for months.

Again, the Bears offense continues to get good field position, and throws it away most of the time. The defense continues to allow itself to get dinked and dunked to death in crunch time. Bend but don’t break is a fine strategy, but when the opposing team is practically a mirror image of the Bears on offense (especially since their best deep threat was out for the game)? Don’t you think it’s advantageous to mix up the formations a little?

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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 21, 2008 6:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Defense

Just got home from the game guys and it was brutal. For all the complaing about the offense they put up 24 points and that should be enough. It is time to fire Bob Babich, he doesn’t know how to adjust. how many times can they burn us with that slant? Is there a reason the corner can’t take the inside position on that play? By the way, his blitz packages have not worked all year, 67 passes and no sacks?? It’s not working..

by tfrabotta on Sep 21, 2008 7:02 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

didn't tampa score on d????

our defense isn’t the problem. we lack talent on offense and we don’t have an OC that can use what we got to the best of this teams’ ability. Ron Turner is the problem. he can’tg call a full game. his offensed could be good, but they need to find another play caller

by coolgjc on Sep 21, 2008 7:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

D

You don’t think we had a problem on D when we gave up 455 yards? And we cannot cover the slant pass I don’t like Turner either(ever hear of a crossing pattern) But the offense put up 24 points and we should have won. What about the pass rush No sacks in 67 attempts??embarrassing..

by tfrabotta on Sep 21, 2008 7:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

our d is good

but yes i was pissed that we had no sacks on all those attempts. this d will give up plays. but i don’t feel that the defense lost this game. it was all on the offense.

by coolgjc on Sep 21, 2008 7:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes our D is good talent wise, not scheme wise

Do you think our D should be able to hold the Bucs to less than 450 yards?? Our offense is much worse than our D but they scored 24 points, shouldn’t that be enough??

by tfrabotta on Sep 21, 2008 7:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WE WEREN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN.

Everyone is all upset here and arguing with each other. Just accept the reality: this isn’t a championship caliber team. Not even close.

Our defense is loaded with talent, but often underachieves.
Our offensive line is horrendous, and so is our group of WRs. All we have is a RB, a pair of TEs, and a kick returner. That’s it. Horrible.

I’m watching Dallas vs Green Bay right now. I don’t know how we can compete with either team. Ditto for the Eagles, who should mop the floor with us next week… even without Westbrook.

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by SackMan on Sep 21, 2008 9:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To add to your "all we have list"

I’d say we have a pretty decent backup to Hester in Danieal Manning. Put Manning out strictly for kickoff returns, and he’d do good things.

Other than that, yeah, you pretty much summed it up.

Did anyone notice Payne running around not knowing what the hell to do today, or was that just me?

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by ChiFan13 on Sep 21, 2008 9:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You have to place the fault under the people who put this team together

We’ve had some bad offenses in recent years. I mean bad.

But, this one is disgusting simply because the choices they made in putting this one together. And, the blame goes to the GM, the director of scouting, and the coaches who have the input on that side of the ball.

They seem to put all their best efforts in scouting, drafting, and paying players to the defensive side of the ball. And, to their credit, they’ve built a pretty darn good roster on defense. But, it will all go to waste because they had no vision for the other side of the ball.

I can’t believe that the Cowboys go out an add Leonard Davis, a former #2 overall pick, and move him to RG where he becomes a Pro-bowler. And we stick with guys like Terrence Metcalf. They also added Marc Columbo a few years back, after we “scrapped him,” and he’s started at RT for the last 3 years for one of the best offensive lines in football.

We have no creativity when it comes to putting together an offense… and little ability to develop anyone on that side of the ball.

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by SackMan on Sep 21, 2008 9:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

greise was

something like 33 for 67. that a little over 12 yards a completion. 67 attempts. and most of those yards came in the forth qtr and overtime. the d being gassed and the penalties hurt but getting 9 points in the first half instead of 21 is what lost this game. terrible play calling in that first half.

everyone was on Tillman for that penalty, but when they had the injury timeout (Tillman) was it me or did he take a shot to the go nadds? Tampa was definitely taking cheap shots all day and if were gonna talk about fineing or punishing peanut, then what about the officials? They shouldn’t have overlooked all the cheapshots. tillman getting a nut shot, Harris getting high-lowed are just an example.

by coolgjc on Sep 22, 2008 5:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why?

Why was the defense gassed? There was no reason to be gassed.

They just sucked late in the game, even though the Bears had dominated the time of possession.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 22, 2008 6:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

24 points

That should be plenty for a good defense. I’m not sure why those slant patterns were wide open in the second half, but the Bears gave up virtually no rushing yards. Anytime a sub par offense scores 24 points the team should win, plain and simple.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 7:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

youd also think that

anytime a team gets four turnovers and 150 total yards from their running back they should win…

by Jbasic89 on Sep 21, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely rare

It’s not that often in the NFL where a team wins a game after losing the turnover battle.

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by propheteer on Sep 21, 2008 8:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

didn't read every post

but my take on the game is the first half was all play calling. we needed to manage the game in the first half as we did in the second half. we looked real stiff on offense in the first half. those 9 points should have been 21. if we played like we did in the 2nd half then we would have easily had more scoring than what we did.

the second haalf was a real ball game. if we played like that in the first half, we win big.
i don’t care if Orton or Grossman are QB the game was lost on offensive play calling.

by coolgjc on Sep 21, 2008 7:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GROSSMAN.

That’s my take. We need more Rexy.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Sep 21, 2008 8:36 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great

Let the Orton – Rex debate begin….again.

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by ChiFan13 on Sep 21, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lovie breaks his season into quarters

i think if this team ends the first quarter 1-3, changes are coming….at alot of positions.

by rahulsriram on Sep 21, 2008 10:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gag

although, at least whatshisface would at least stop going on about the “3 levels of the passing game”. Who is that d-bag anyway? He needs a new schtick.

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 8:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our passing game is stuck on the ground floor.

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by SackMan on Sep 21, 2008 8:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its not even debatable who is better between the two IMO

one can make plays, the other cant
one makes mistakes, and so does the other

by Jbasic89 on Sep 21, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Colt McCoy would look lovely in orange and blue..

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by Chanman25 on Sep 21, 2008 9:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A+ brother, A+

That’d be a dream come true.

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by ChiFan13 on Sep 21, 2008 9:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes.

I have liked him for a long time.

Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!

by GallopingGhost on Sep 21, 2008 11:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Love to see a Texas boy take control of the Bears

He’s a composed QB, and he can make plays with his arm and his legs is necessary.

Not only that, but he’s not the “everyone owes me” player that comes from Texas. No scuffles with the law or anything. Problem is, he won’t come out for the draft this year unless Texas wins the national championship, which won’t happen.

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by ChiFan13 on Sep 22, 2008 12:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm not drafting another TX headcase

Cedric. VYoung…. No!

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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 22, 2008 1:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

okay TX offensive player

And I overreacted a bit. But really after watching the last few flame outs of “can’t miss guys”… makes me nervous.

There's magic in the ivy...

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 22, 2008 1:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But like I said earlier

He’s not the “world owes me” player that Texas seems to put out so well. He’d be ok that way….he’d work hard.

But I definitely know what you mean.

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by ChiFan13 on Sep 22, 2008 9:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

??
He’d be ok that way….he’d work hard.

And you know that how?

by big_lowitzki on Sep 22, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because I'm a Texas fan

I’ve followed the kid from his recruitment as a junior up until now (junior year).

He is reputed to have a terrific work ethic and none of the “me, me, me” complex of many Texas players. What else would you like to know? I can tell you about his switch of diet at the beginning of college (and no, I’m not kidding).

That’s how I know big_low. Stop busting my balls, I know what I’m talking about.

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by ChiFan13 on Sep 22, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fair enough...

… thought I am not sure why you pissed that I ask how you know.

Of course… Benson didn’t really get in trouble with the law when he was in college either…

My point is that you never know what is going to happen in the transition from college to the pros.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 22, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because you constantly question my credibility

And, Benson did get in trouble with the law in college. Once, he was arrested of possession of marijuana and once for criminal trespass. I won’t go into the details cuz it would take a while, but he’s lucky he just got arrested for criminal trespass.

Your point is valid. But, college can tell you a lot about an individual.

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by ChiFan13 on Sep 22, 2008 10:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

when...

… have I questioned your credibility?

Questioning your arguments is not the same as questioning your credibility.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 22, 2008 10:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You have before

I know the difference, and I’m not worried about it, but you have questioned it before.

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by ChiFan13 on Sep 22, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

he has a terrific work ethic right now while he is working hard to make his big nfl money. it’s hard to say what happens to a guy when he hits his payday.

by lopey986 on Sep 22, 2008 12:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not like taking a giant risk on a QB and having him flame out

Would be any worse than another year of Orton/Grossman.

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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 22, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually it would

because we’d be paying HUGE money to said quarterback whereas we are paying nothing for grossman/orton.

by lopey986 on Sep 23, 2008 12:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

forte

average 3.3, gotta loved that “revamped” offensive line.

good offseason JA!

by mike b on Sep 21, 2008 10:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey

and why aren’t all you nancy cheerleaders telling everyone to stop being so mean?

by mike b on Sep 21, 2008 10:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey look

it’s rashied davis. his balls just dropped.

you call your one game ypc stat an analysis. you’re not negative. you’re
just a little premature when the cheerleaders brush up against your Polish
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