Let The QB Talk Begin
Now that we have this pesky Rod Marinelli situation straightened out, we can focus on more important things, like who is this mysterious 'competition' Jerry Angelo is going to bring in for Kyle Orton.
We obviously will have to wait and see, but Byron Leftwich is willing to be that guy.
''I'm a fan of Lovie Smith, I'll just say that. I thought that was where I was going to go in the beginning. I remember hoping that I would go there. I just wanted to be a part of the tradition, the history of the Bears. You're growing up, watching games at Soldier Field on TV, I wanted to be a part of that coming out. I thought there was a chance I would go there.
End Result is whether he means it or not, is he has a better chance of starting in Chicago than Pittsburgh. I don't know enough about this guy to know if he is worth the pick up or if he has any chance of beating out Orton. He played well enough in backing up Big Ben during the season, but he did get run out of Jacksonville.
What is your take on this guy?
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Better than Orton
but not a star, and has some similar weaknesses – you better have a good O-Line because he can’t move at all.
by mac30 on
Jan 12, 2009 8:18 AM CST
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I'm not a a big fan of Leftwich.
He was QBing some teams with a really tough defense and a strong running game, yet couldn’t lead them very far, and eventually lost his job to Garrard.
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by SackMan on
Jan 12, 2009 8:46 AM CST
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To be fair...
…Gerard was playing well and had a GREAT season the following year (last year). It’s not like he lost his job to 2007 Rex Grossman.
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by tyger1147 on
Jan 12, 2009 11:08 AM CST
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Probably be good to bring him in for the "Competition"
I don’t think he’ll beat out Orton this year, but he may be able to show enough to battle for the job in ‘10 if Orton hasn’t stepped up and proven himself. From what I saw of him this year he did seem to have a good arm for a ‘down the field threat’, but I didn’t see him in enough playing time to know anything about his decision making skills. He did play behind an offensive Offensive line.
by lindemrm on
Jan 12, 2009 9:18 AM CST
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Won't matter who's QB
if our OL is the same as last year’s.
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by ChiFan13 on
Jan 12, 2009 9:26 AM CST
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not mobile
I think Leftwich’s problem is that he’s a statue now, or was after his seriously destroyed leg in college. Perhaps it finally fully healed, but in Atlanta under Petrino he was very unimpressive.
I watched him/ followed him in college because Marshall was Miami U.‘s rival at the time (no, not “the U.”, but the real Miami, the one Big Ben was BMOC). I’ve always been biased to Roethlisberger, and his career has shown it, but Leftwich was impressive. He’ a big guy with a live arm, so I wouldn’t mind Chicago signing him and allowing him to compete among Orton and another veteran.
Sign two vets, have them challenge each other, and let Hanie develop another year if he’s as good as the team thinks he can be.
by ethan a on
Jan 12, 2009 9:31 AM CST
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he's got a gun
i think injuries were the main reason he got run out of Jax, could be wrong though. wouldn’t be a bad idea at all.
by mike b on
Jan 12, 2009 9:31 AM CST
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Injuries were part of it
Garrard was another and there was also talk that Leftwich isn’t a big workout fan which led to problems with the Jax coaching staff. Not practices, just working out. Which, if true, is a big matter when it comes to an oft injured, immobile QB with anything less than brick wall for an OL.
by grimc on
Jan 12, 2009 4:04 PM CST
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Thats who I wanted for the Bears....
but we took Rex instead
by escolio on
Jan 12, 2009 9:36 AM CST
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and Michael Haynes
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by WCG on
Jan 12, 2009 9:45 AM CST
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Lefty
seems like a poor man’s Kurt Warner.
by tacologic on
Jan 12, 2009 10:42 AM CST
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huh?!?!?!
Where does that come from?
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by tyger1147 on
Jan 12, 2009 11:09 AM CST
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That is an interesting
comparison. Culpepper, maybe?
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by WCG on
Jan 12, 2009 11:55 AM CST
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Maybe now...
Culpepper could move well before he was injured.
Maybe Drew Bledsoe in his later years….
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by tyger1147 on
Jan 12, 2009 12:07 PM CST
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bledsoe comparison seems wierd
but when you think about it , it seems about right
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
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by Jbasic89 on
Jan 12, 2009 12:32 PM CST
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I don't think the Bledsoe is a good
comparison. Even in his later years wasn’t he a pretty good passer. He was just slow, broken down and couldn’t run. I don’t think Leftwich will ever be the passer Bledsoe was and I don’t know if that was a compliment or not.
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by WCG on
Jan 12, 2009 1:25 PM CST
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slow, broken down and couldn't run?
that’s not leftwich?
no, he wasn’t a good passer in his later years.
i think they’re close… in the “bledsoe in his later years” way
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by tyger1147 on
Jan 12, 2009 5:19 PM CST
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Not bad/Not Great
If you can protect him, Leftwich will be just as good as Orton maybe better. He’s less mobile then Orton, but throws a way better deep ball.
I like Bears football. I’m old school. The QB not to make a mistake and to win with running and good defense.
I believe we can win a superbowl with Orton or Leftwich with a killer Defense, good OL, and at least 1 WR who can catch and whom other defenses respect. (We are missing the D, OL, and WR)
So in my opinion Orton is not our problem. Bottom line, is having a QB who doesn’t lose the game with bad decisions and turnovers (Jake Delhomme). I don’t care who it is.
by Subotai on
Jan 12, 2009 10:51 AM CST
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leftwich is much cooler than orton
he is at the least presentable and wouldn’t look like a scumbag on the field.
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
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by Jbasic89 on
Jan 12, 2009 12:33 PM CST
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With his windmill release,
yeah, he definitely would.
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by ChiFan13 on
Jan 12, 2009 12:52 PM CST
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his release would make him look like a scumbag??
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
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by Jbasic89 on
Jan 12, 2009 9:10 PM CST
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His play would, yeah.
Helluva lot worse than Orton.
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by ChiFan13 on
Jan 13, 2009 12:36 PM CST
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Lefwich could benefit from another change in scenery...
He got the raw end of the deal In Jax, although the move has proven to be the right one with Garrard. If Orton is a 6 out of 10, Leftwich probably is too. While both of them have the potential to be a 7/10, maybe even a 7.5, I don’t think either of them could be an 8. Then again, with our history at the position, a good solid 7.5 for a complete season would be a welcome sight!
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by GeauxBears on
Jan 12, 2009 10:59 AM CST
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He has a sloooooooooooow release.
So he gets hit a lot, which is why he gets hurt. Until you feel solid with the pass protection of the offensive line (does anyone?), he’s no the “answer”.
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by tyger1147 on
Jan 12, 2009 11:08 AM CST
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I don't care much for leftwich
He has no mobility AT ALL. He has a long release, locks onto recievers and holds the ball low. And he has Fumblitis
by scespy12 on
Jan 12, 2009 11:35 AM CST
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talk about a slow release
Did you see that throw he made yesterday. It was a beautiful pass and a shame his receiver dropped it, but I think he was impersonating a windmill with that wind up.
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by WCG on
Jan 12, 2009 11:56 AM CST
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He's got the classic down-back-and-up we learned in Little League as pitchers.
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by tyger1147 on
Jan 12, 2009 12:05 PM CST
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He's also been injury prone
Not sure he’s started a full season more than once. And not all of that was because of inconsistent play.
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by GallopingGhost on
Jan 12, 2009 12:30 PM CST
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by ES46NE10 on
Jan 12, 2009 1:33 PM CST
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We have Leftwich
his name is Kyle Orton, slow methodical release, not great on the deep ball. We need to sign Kurt Warner to a 2-3 yr deal, get a young Qb in the draft, and let him learn. We need a great QB, not one that is marginal to compete.
by tfrabotta on
Jan 12, 2009 1:57 PM CST
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I dunno
he had quite the zip on the deep ball in garbage time last night
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by torch on
Jan 12, 2009 2:05 PM CST
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Zip he has
timing and accuracy of the deep ball are what I was speaking of.
by tfrabotta on
Jan 12, 2009 3:34 PM CST
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Nothing against Kurt Warner but...
I really don’t see him helping the Bears. Honestly… look at when he has succeeded. He won the Super Bowl with the Rams and had Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt, and Issac Bruce. Now he’s got Boldin & Fitzgerald. He didn’t do much with the Giants because he didn’t have the massive amount of weapons to go too.
I’d also say No to Leftwich… an immobile QB with a slow release is the last thing this team needs. Garrard would be a better fit for the Bears, I’m not saying to go get him or that he is available, because the Bears are a similar style team to the Jags.
I do think the Bears really need a strong arm & good mobility in there next QB.
by sirus19x on
Jan 12, 2009 7:49 PM CST
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Or..
if we could pry away Carson Palmer from the Bungles for a high draft pick..we could have our franchise QB. #1 and vasher for Palmer?? In a heartbeat…
by tfrabotta on
Jan 12, 2009 2:00 PM CST
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Leftwich might be a solid pick up
He shouldn’t cost a lot & he has some upside. He is super injury prone tho. He can get the ball down the field. He doesn’t have that much touch on his throws I dont think, mostly winds up and throws the fastball. But he was pretty good in Jax with pretty mediocre receivers, so thats a plus. Definitely have to upgrade the OL for him to have a chance of suceeding, but thats more or less true with any available QB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usskE9s5neU
by reprisal on
Jan 12, 2009 2:39 PM CST
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What is the youtube link to?
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by GeauxBears on
Jan 12, 2009 3:00 PM CST
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competition or replacement?
I don’t think we need to find competition for Orton, but a replacement. I have seen enough out of Orton to know that he is not the QB for the Bears. I would rather see Caleb Hanie start for the Bears next year, then waste anymore time with Orton. Lets turn the page on the Ort.
by TOT on
Jan 12, 2009 3:39 PM CST
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hanie huh?
that’s one of the more moronic things i have ever heard.
by mike b on
Jan 12, 2009 5:12 PM CST
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It would be difficult to replace him
he does have 4 years in the system. It might take a replacement a few years to understand unimaginative futility.
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by WCG on
Jan 12, 2009 5:36 PM CST
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+1
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by GeauxBears on
Jan 12, 2009 6:44 PM CST
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How...
During the few times we say him play during the preseason he showed great pocket awareness and a decent arm and even made plays outside the pocket when things broke down. People thought that playing Tom Brady when Bledsoe went down was moronic, that they should have brought in a veteran quarterback and look how that turned out. Now i am not thinking he is going to become Brady but it doesn’t hurt to give him a job to win the competition in training camp.
by chase17 on
Jan 12, 2009 5:47 PM CST
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Key word: Preseason
Against some 2nd stringers and a lot of 3rd stringers. I like Hanie, but only because I want so badly to have a QB who we can count on for a few years. Hanie is an unknown for the most part, which to me creates a “possibility”… but when I come to my senses, I realize he probably ain’t the answer. Just like Orton ain’t, and Rexy ain’t.
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by GeauxBears on
Jan 12, 2009 6:48 PM CST
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No more snaps for the Ort!
I just said Hanie because he is currently the only other QB on the Bears roster. I would rather see what he has to offer than waste anymore time with Orton.
by TOT on
Jan 13, 2009 10:06 AM CST
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If he's healthy
he can be good. He survived a few games behind the steeler o-line, and they really aren’t very good. he may be able to stay in one piece behind ours… and the idea that someone WANTS to quarterback the Bears is pretty cool. Course we’d have to find WRs with hands.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Jan 12, 2009 3:54 PM CST
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the steeler line
is good enough to keep Roethlisberger safe, and to clear out for a decent running game. Though I admit Big Ben is mobile and moves around — that line holds up well against more consistent competition.
by ethan a on
Jan 12, 2009 5:45 PM CST
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Are you nuts?
Roethlisberger was sacked like 46 times this season. I think Orton was around 25-30.
by KDoggers on
Jan 12, 2009 5:51 PM CST
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Leftwich is a waste of time
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by thecubreporter on
Jan 12, 2009 4:12 PM CST
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Not a bad back-up QB
But I mean you just never know whats going to happen with a QB. Sometimes they get in the right system that fits their strengths and all of a sudden this QB that no one wanted is going to the supper bowl. It’s hit & miss. Look at Warner in NY, garbage, goes to ARZ, almost got MVP. Granted that Leftwich is no Kurt Warner but just an example of how different systems can make a world of difference. The thing with Leftwich is zero mobility. Very strong arm, pretty accurate, tall & really heavy, has been injury prone his entire career. Were better with the Bearded One.
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by Haightminow on
Jan 12, 2009 6:14 PM CST
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I disagree
with whoever said that Leftwich has upside. He’s league average on his best day. His best quality is his ability to throw a nice deep ball, but if you want to throw deep balls, you need a solid pass o-line (which we don’t have), or be able to move around in the pocket (which he can’t).
Warner needs weapons we don’t have, and he can’t play in the cold.
Palmer would only be available if we don’t want him (ie he’s too injured to play). They only have Fitzpatrick behind him, so they’re not going to get rid of anyone who can throw at all.
I don’t think anyone who is available is any better than mediocre, and we already have a mediocre qb who at least knows our system. I say draft his replacement and keep him this year.
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by tomas21 on
Jan 12, 2009 6:23 PM CST
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anything is an improvement...
Leftwich would be nice, anything is better than rex. in spite of JA’s rabble rousing I think it is still Orton’s job to lose…
Leftwich has a strong arm. I like that he actually wants to qb the bears… which got me thinking… any decent qb should want to play for the bears. given the abysmal play of qbs here in the past bears fans are ready to idolize any qb who can actually play.
Leftwich might be great for the bears. He is big and has a strong arm. Those two tools, fundamental to qb, haven’t coexisted in a bears qb for awhile. Along those lines I’m thinking the Bears draft a qb… maybe josh freeman in the 3rd round
by No It All on
Jan 12, 2009 7:00 PM CST
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Not Freeman
He’s the same as Rex Grossman: Strong arm, makes dumb decisions.
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by ChiFan13 on
Jan 12, 2009 8:07 PM CST
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He's tougher than Rex was/is though.
He played with a broken leg, unlike Rex.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Jan 12, 2009 8:16 PM CST
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Ummm
He PLAYED with a broken leg. Dude has bad decisions written all over him.
I don’t think that pep has the ability to groom a QB, so we should probably try to get a QB that is game ready I.e. Sanchez or stafford but only if they are available when we pick otherwise stick with our more pressing concerns. OL, DL,WR, FS and IMO a OLB that can rush well
by scespy12 on
Jan 12, 2009 9:07 PM CST
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at 6’6 freeman can at least see over offensive linemen
by No It All on
Jan 12, 2009 10:03 PM CST
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How...
Except for the fact that he has a good deep ball.
1. Freeman is mobile, Rex is not
2. He has size, Rex does not
Plus where are you getting this bad decision idea from, yeah he threw a lot off picks in his freshman year, but they have dropped significantly in later years
by chase17 on
Jan 13, 2009 8:26 AM CST
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Are we talking about the same Leftwich that lost his starting job to Joey Harrington?
Gimme a break…this guy was so bad, he gave Harrington his job back….
by chicagosports23 on
Jan 12, 2009 9:59 PM CST
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Orton would have had good numbers if Davis had not dropped everything thrown his way and the recievers coach needs to teach Hester to extend himself and leave his feet if the ball is a little long. Give Orton a tall WR that can jump. Hanie has been in the system for a year let him be #2. Draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd rnd and give him time to learn. Maybe Sanchez will be there in the 2nd or Josh Freeman in the 3rd 6’6" 250#
by luckie815 on
Jan 13, 2009 6:06 AM CST
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P.S.
Leftwich has had more MRIs on his ankles than there are days in a long month.
by luckie815 on
Jan 13, 2009 6:10 AM CST
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Pittsburgh
Made Charlie Batch look like a real QB. Next
by Hamstring on
Jan 13, 2009 1:27 PM CST
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I believe we took a shot on a Pittsburgh
QB once, how did that turn out?:)
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by WCG on
Jan 14, 2009 1:50 PM CST
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Slash!
Lol… I had almost sompletely forgotten (blocked out of my mind) about Kordell.
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