Which QB Is Best For Bears To Go After?
by Adam T on Jan 2, 2009 9:32 AM CST
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Now that Angelo has stated that he wants to bring in a QB to compete with Kyle Orton, it is time to look at the options. The problem is not too many of them are good options.
Kurt Warner:
But forget about Warner. He'll cost too much and he'll be 38 before next season starts. He's a cigar store Indian in the pocket, which means he'd last about three games behind the Bears' current offensive line. Warner has put up impressive numbers this season throwing to 1,000-yard receivers Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald and Steve Breaston, all of whom are better than any wideouts on the Bears' roster.
Matt Cassel:
Same goes for the Patriots' Matt Cassel, another potential free agent. He put up nice numbers throwing to Randy Moss and Wes Welker in a passing offense. That doesn't make him someone you want to get into a bidding war over.
Kerry Collins:
Collins' passer rating was less than a point better than Orton's, and he's 36. That's not even a lateral move because Collins threw just 12 TD passes this season and, in a 14-year career, has never been more than an average quarterback, and he's usually been closer to mediocre. He's not a guy who makes those around him better.
Chris Simms or J.P. Loseman:
REALLY!
Jeff Garcia:
Garcia actually makes sense, but only if the Bears are also going to start drafting and developing quarterbacks, which they should continue to do until they're convinced Orton or some other veteran is the long-term answer. Garcia will be 39 in February, so he's obviously a quick and short-term fix. But he plays much younger than his age and has excellent mobility. His passer rating has been over 90 in each of the past three seasons, with a TD-interception ratio of 35-12.
Garcia has been a starter and a backup, so even if Orton steps up his game and wins the job, the Bears have greatly improved their depth at a position Angelo says is of utmost importance.
Assuming you agree with this assessment unless the Bears pull off a trade for Donovan McNabb or somebody not yet on our radar it would seem that Jeff Garcia is our only real option. Garcia would be competition for Orton, but he isn't a long term fix either.
The bad side is what if Warner, Collins and Garcia are resigned by their current teams? That leaves us in a real bad way. I think Garcia has the best chance to not get resigned. He and Gruden dont' seem to get along real well and Garcia might want to get out of that.
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They should go to the draft I think
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by Chanman25 on Jan 2, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i dont think
Angelo or Lovie have enough time to try and develop another qb. Also, unless we trade up and try to find another Matt Ryan, a rookie qb will have a tough time in taking the job away from Turner’s boy….hence voiding any real thought of a comp like Angelo is invisioning.
I think Angelo is thinking like wcg here and would like to go veteran qb shopping. He mentioned in his press conference the idea of, “recycled qb’s”, so i think thats where he will likely look for competition.
my pick here would be dangling Urlacher around and possibly trading for Mcnabb. My second pick here would be Cassell but going on history, Angelo wont get into a biding war, so i dont think cassell would be attainable.
by rahulsriram on Jan 2, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pats are looking to franchise him too
so I doubt we will get Cassel.
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by Chanman25 on Jan 2, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pats will franchise him
then trade him for a couple 1st round picks
probably San Fran I’m guessing
by JohnnyTruant on Jan 17, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Free Agency isn't the only avenue...
If there’s someone they really want, then go make a deal for someone!
I’m not advocating anyone specific here… just saying that a deal for any of these QBs can be realistically achieved:
Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson
Donovan McNabb
Carson Palmer
Matt Hasselback
Marc Bulger
Kevin O’Connell (another 6’5" backup QB in New England)
Chad Henne (after Pennington’s successful season in Miami)
The point is… be bold, and make a creative move, instead of just choosing form the list of “available QBs.”
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by SackMan on Jan 2, 2009 11:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Add Vince Young to that list.
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by SackMan on Jan 2, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And... add Colt Brennan too.
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by SackMan on Jan 2, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Troy Smith?
I know he’s a short dude, relatively speaking, but he’s had some success in his limited opportunities in Baltimore, and with Flacco emerging over there, it seems like they might be willing to deal rather than keep him around for a novelty package. Thoughts?
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by itsugly on Jan 2, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad suggestion either...
I’d focus on
1. McNabb (for instant success)
2. Palmer (try to rehab him from injury)
3. O’Connell or Brennan (to try and develop a real franchise QB)
5. Vince Young (reclamation project)
With the Patriots recent success with Brady and Cassel, O’Connell is really jumping out at me. They also have Matt Gutierrez right now as their #3. So, if they keep both Brady and Cassel next year (who knows what their plans are?), then they’ll need to move a QB anyway.
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by SackMan on Jan 2, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think Troy Smith would be a nice option, it would be nice to see the Bears with a quarterback that is athletic enough to extend the play and make plays with his legs.
I like the O’Connell idea even better, he is also athletic enough to make plays plus I think he might have a better arm the Troy Smith, plus Patriot backup quarterbacks tend to work out pretty well especially those drafted in the sixth round.
by chase17 on Jan 3, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rather draft someone
both of those guys were available to draft, and i don’t think either one has done anythign since the draft to really prove themselves. i would have to think you could get the same or better in the draft this year.
by mike b on Jan 3, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My argument is more like this:
The Chicago Bears are absolutely HORRIBLE at identifying and drafting QB talent.
On the other hand, the current New England staff is very good at it.
I’d rather put trust in New England’s staff to find a QB, than the Bears staff… wouldn’t you? I’d take that same approach with the Redskins Colt Brennan. They’ve seemed to find their QB in Jason Campbell. Brennan may be available if you inquire and offer draft picks to a team who’s typically short on draft picks after often trading them away.
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by SackMan on Jan 3, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trusting Angelo
Honestly, I’m having a hard time trusting Angelo’s decisions in this regard…We keep hearing of video clips of “Angelo on the offense”, Angelo on defense…How about Angelo on Angelo…when is he going to hold himself accountable for the poor choices that are preventing quality WRs from showing interest in the Bears. Brady (or Cassel) would not be who they are without receivers of some quality and vice versa…Bottom line…I’m not sure I trust the coaching staff and selection gurus to make this decision
by Massbearsfan on Jan 2, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Tampa plan on Keeping Garcia?
Are we going to get in a bidding war over him, when what they really want is Orton to step it up a notch? I mentioned it before, I’d like to see the Bears get Leftwich to offer some pseudo-competition and maybe come in if Orton gets hurt. His contract will be up with the Steelers, I don’t know if he would be restricted or unrestricted, but he’d probably come pretty cheap. Leftwich has shown he can be a pretty decent QB when healthy. Hasselback looks like the other logical possibility.
by Hatchetm on Jan 2, 2009 1:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like
the Patriots might franchise Cassel.
by Twins Territory on Jan 2, 2009 4:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Call Me Crazy
i would go with jon kitna. he has never had a running game and offensive line to back him up. we can get him for next to nothing and i believe him to be hands down better than any Q.B on our roster. Orton can not consitiently throw the ball down field and any decent safety can follow his eyes to the ball. Look at the pattern with kerry collins, jeff garcia, kurt warner. what other veteran has the talent and experience to be the next sleeper………..JON KITNA
by WavyGravy on Jan 2, 2009 5:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I’m really not ready to talk about the offseason… mostly because all of these “options” make me want to gag.
I like Jeff Garcia, but he’s a west coast qb. All of his success has come in some variation of that system.
Cassell… when you’ve got Moss & Welker & an offense that set records last year and then you miss the playoffs. Well, I’m not buying him at all.
Collins/McNabb/Warner… all on the wrong side of 30.
Simms… I don’t think he’s ever recovered from losing his spleen. If he is healthy (a big if) I could see Angelo taking a flyer on him… but I don’t see how he’s any better than what we’ve already got.
Losman. Gag. A more athletic Grossman. No thank you. DO NOT WANT.
If you want to watch a guy make stupid rookie mistakes, draft someone so at least they have excuse.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 2, 2009 6:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting story on Simms
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20090102/ca_pr_on_fo/nfl_titans_simms/print
wouldn’t mind grabbing him and a rookie in the draft.
by dakarl32 on Jan 3, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much nailed it
None of those prospects really make me jump out of my seat and get my heart rate pumping. Actually, Losman does, but that’s only because I imagine how mad I would be if the Bears picked him up.
We are in a bad position draft-wise if we’re trying to pick up a rookie QB.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 3, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i want to draft matt sanchez (assuming he leaves)...
and todd mcshay agrees
by SamuraiMike50 on Jan 2, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
where do you think he goes? 3rd?
by dakarl32 on Jan 3, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mcshay has him goin 1st round
but you know how worthless mock drafts are this early on, last year at this point he had the Bears picking Andre Woodson in the 1st round
i say 2nd or 3rd is fine, after you get some to block for him (or Jordan Gross)
by SamuraiMike50 on Jan 3, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow
QB troubles erased overnight if Bears draft Icon at QB. 2 time Heisman (basically), 2 time national champion. Not even Jerry and Lovie can mess up that eval. Honestly I do not like Tebow personally, but he is a football force. With Bradford and Stafford shooting up draft boards Tebow might be on the board at #18… if not they should move up to draft him.
Tebow and Forte would be unstoppable in short yardage. His mobility might buy WRs some time to get open.
Orton= perfect guy for Bears to groom a rookie behind. the bar is set low, ball control and some leadership… once a rook/Tebow reaches that bar and then applies anything beyond that, like umm skill or athleticsim, then you have a legit NFL QB competition.
by No It All on Jan 3, 2009 6:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Umm... he's not coming out.
I’d bet on it.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 3, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you don't remember Eric Crouch....
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by SackMan on Jan 3, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Extremely horrible comparison.
Do not EVER compare the man who stole Rex’s Heisman with Tebow. They are no where close to being the same.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 4, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What...
Have you even watched Tim Tebow played. He can only run with the ball, he is wildly inconsistant as a passer. Plus his delivery takes about three days causing his ball to be knocked down or intercepted all day. The same thing that caused Andre Woodson to fall from a top twenty pick to like a sixth rounder. Tebow will not know what to do if he can’t run and he can’t run in the NFL. There really isn’t mobility there is only power, Tebow will not be able to escape a tackle from Ray Lewis or anyone else for that matter. Plus Todd McShay and Mike Golic agree with me, Tebow might be the best college player of all time but he will do nothing in the pros that is why they both said they would wait till at least the sixth round to draft Tebow. If you just look at college production than Rex Grossman would be the best quarterback in the league.
by chase17 on Jan 4, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you?
He’s not “wildly inconsistant.” Watch the SEC Championship Game and tell me he didn’t show a great arm on those throws late in the game. Or, better yet, watch on Thursday when he rips Oklahoma to shreds. His delivery can be fixed by the scientists at UF who fixed a separate issue in his delivery with computer analysis. He can run over a lot of linebackers in the NFL, but he won’t have to if he stays at UF. He’ll get a chance to become a better passer next year, because he’ll have even more weapons around him that he can get the ball to.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 4, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again What
I watched the SEC championship game and every good pass he made was hen he pretended to run then stopped and threw it downfield. Without the threat of being able to run Tebow will not be able to do that. I agree he makes 4 or 5 great passes a game but if I am not mistaking that is inconsistant in the throwing game when people like Bradford, McCoy, Stafford and Harrell are making 25-30 great passes a game. Also, those same same scientist were not really able to help Chris Leak.
by chase17 on Jan 4, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"He can run over a lot of linebackers in the NFL"
Yeah right!!
by McRipper on Jan 5, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance, bud
I do disagree with you on this one. Tebow doesn’t have the speed or agility to run over an NFL linebacker. In college, Vince Young was faster and more agile than Tebow. When he was playing for Tennessee, he didn’t rely on rushing as much as he did passing.
If Tebow met Lance Briggs in the open field, the grounds crew would be scraping him off the turf for three days.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 5, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A few things
A) he’s not coming out
B) running against the SEC is a lot different then running against the Williams boys. He won’t survive running at the pro level
C) I really like him as a player…. in college. But his delivery is slow and won’t translate the pros because you can’t fake run and then jump pass here. No one’s gonna buy the run. They’ll just plant ya.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 4, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
A) Yep.
B) Won’t have to. And he’s pretty big, btw.
C) It will if it’s fixed by the people at UF. And he doesn’t do the jump pass that often (only once per year). That’s just his resourcefulness.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 4, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Cassell
out of the options available. I think McNabb is on the downside, Garcia is also too old and Warner too old and slow. Cassell moves pretty well and is young. Couldn’t possibly be any worse than what we currently have. Orton is decent, but I really think he is at the level of a good backup QB, not a starter for a winning team. I feel that our most pressing needs are an impact wide receiver and someone on defense who can actually put pressure on the quarterback. The lack of a pass rush really hurt this team.
I also came to the sad realization while watching the Houston game last week that this Bears team really wasn’t very good and was lucky to be 9-7. It seemed apparent to me that the 8-8 Texans were better than the Bears. I think Lovie is full of it, this team isn’t that close right now. I would have been happy with 9-7 at the start of the season because I really didn’t think the team had improved from last year; but when you have the chance to make the playoffs and blow it, it makes that 9-7 record seem much worse. I wonder what our record would have been without Matt Forte?
by qccub on Jan 4, 2009 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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