Kiper's Hair Picks Tyson Jackson
by Adam T on Jan 22, 2009 12:16 PM CST
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PrintContinuing what will become our ever increasing coverage of the NFL Draft. The so called guru of the draft and the man with the worst hair in all of draft experts, Mel Kiper has an updated draft board (ESPN Insider required for full draft).
At the #18 spot he has the Bears taking Tyson Jackson, Defensive End . Jackson is a 6' 5, 290 lb senior out of LSU.
Strengths:
Outstanding size and bulk...Has a big frame with long arms and large hands...Powerful with excellent strength...Tough and physical...Good athleticism...Quick with a burst...Uses his hands well...Can really hold his ground...Terrific bull rusher...Offers a lot of versatility...Has a lot of experience against elite competition... Hard worker ... Team leader.
Weaknesses:
Average timed speed...Motor is inconsistent...Questionable instincts and awareness...Needs to do a better job of shedding blocks...Doesn't change directions well...Has some trouble in space...Not a threat off the edge...Just an average pass rusher and won't rack up a lot of sacks.
Now far be it for me to criticize the Helmet Hair and assuming the above breakdown is accurate, why would we draft a defensive end that can't get to the QB? We have that already. We are able to stop the run. Our problem is pressuring a QB. In his mock draft he has Everette Brown going 3 spots earlier. Brown finished with 13.5 sacks and his greatest assets are his speed and quickness. If the Bears are looking to upgrade their pass rush with the first pick, they'd probably be better off making a move up to get Brown.
What is your take on Tyson Jackson?
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Really Mel?
I think his hair gel picked this one. I just can’t fathom how or why we would draft this guy. As WCG said we already have enough people who can’t sack the QB. I don’t see this guy as benificial to our defense and I really hope the Bears are much smarter with their first round pick.
If things came easy, then everybody would be great at what they did, let's face it.
Mike Ditka
are there any good mock drafts with bears insight?
this guy jackson would be a terrible receiver or offensive lineman
I think there is a central draft committe
that releases acceptable picks for each spot, then each mock gets to pick the one they like.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
A 290lb DE... for Lovie's Tampa 2? LOL. Kiper.
Don’t you know Lovie likes his DEs at 255-265lbs. LOL.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
Whats the Deal with Kiper anyway?
Every time I see him on ESPN before Draft Day he is in some ESPN Zone, what’s he do there? Is he a waiter until draft time and then ESPN suits him up for analysis or is it that underneath his helmet hair he is a robot and they use him in a display at the ESPN Zone like that animatronic band at Chuck E Cheese and then dust him off for draft time again while updating his systems with this years draft class?
Whatever I think while he may not be right with this pick I do think that JA will go defensive end in round one and once again blatantly ignore our holes at WR, QB, 2nd RB, OL, S, CB, etc
Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!
by Sam Householder on Jan 22, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions
Kiper lives in Baltimore
There is a big ESPN Zone at the Harbor. It is probably the easiest way for them to get him live on TV.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
I think my theory is more humorus
But fair enough.
Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!
by Sam Householder on Jan 22, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
yes
but I happen to have that bit of info, so I though I’d share.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
I do appreciate it actually
I am glad I know that now.
Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!
by Sam Householder on Jan 23, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
So... Kiper wanys us to use our 1st round pick on a guy who...
Just an average pass rusher and won’t rack up a lot of sacks.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
That's a really bad pick by Kiper.
Jackson’s body type doesn’t fit the mold of what Lovie wants
And Jackson’s skill set doesn’t fit either… I mean, the guy’s not even a pass rusher LOL.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
I know there is value as a run stopping DE
but if you can’t rush the passer, should you even be in the 1st round?
If you are a DE you are going to be getting the backs which are likely the faster guys, correct? If you lack speed and quickness, I wonder how good of a run stopper he can be at the pro level.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
Maybe a DE who is a run-stopper
Would compliment the lack of run stop ability by Mark Anderson. Then we would have 1 combined good DE.
Oh wait, Anderson hasn’t done ANYTHING since his rookie season. So forget it.
Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!
by Sam Householder on Jan 22, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Rd 2 and beyond
OLine:
Tackles:
Michael Oher, 6’ 5" 320, Ole Miss
Jason Smith, 6’ 5" 309, Baylor
Andre Smith, 6’ 4" 345, Alabama*
Eugene Monroe, 6’ 5" 316, Virginia
Eben Britton, 6’ 6" 310, Arizona
Ciron Black, 6’ 5" 322, LSU*
Phil Loadholt, 6’ 7" 360, Oklahoma
Alex Boone, 6’ 7" 325, Ohio State
Guards:
Duke Robinson, 6’ 4" 330, Oklahoma
Herman Johnson, 6’ 6" 350, LSU
Andy Levitre, 6’ 2" 324, Oregon State
Greg Isdaner, 6’ 4" 322, West Virginia
Bears might be tempted to take a guy like Robinson at #18 but i think there is enough oline talent to shore up the bears line in the later rounds. adding Vernon Carey into the mix would allow the bears to focus on WR (or DE according to Mel) in the 1st round.
Wow! you really do "No It All", not!
You actually said that we need another good DT more than we need another DE. All this over analyzing is really messing your mind up but your handle is perfect. Dusty, Adams and Izzy are all decent, one of them will flourish under Marinelli.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
no
Brown (Dusty, Adams and Izzy) Harris Wale
if that is the bears’ d line according to u (u forgot marcus harrison who will be the starter), then neither Brown, Harris, nor Wale are the weak link. 2nd DT is the current weak link on the DL. Alex Brown, Tommie Harris and Wale will be starting for the Bears DLine in 09. but no your solution is to keep 3 decent guys to woefully fill 1 starting position and replace a bona fide DE with an unproven rookie… makes no sense.
Izzy
will be the 3rd DE and i think he will be better than a rookie, allowing us to use the pick for much needed help on offense
You are a very confused individual.
I said Dusty, Adams and Izzy in regards to one position, DT opposite Tommie the tank. But your right, I forgot Harrison. Even more to validate my point. Izzy plays DT and DE. So, we have four decent players at that position but you think we should draft another one? Instead of a DE?
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
we are talking about a first round pick
will be expected to start. Given we have better than decent players in Brown, Harris, and Wale it only makes sense that IF the Bears are to address a starting position on the D line (ie use a 1st round pick) it be a better then decent DT to play next to Harris since we only have decent players there. Not to mention any rookie DE will have to compete against Mark Anderson and Izzy for the 3rd/4th DE spots.
Izzy being a good 3rd/4th DE is much different then him being a solid #2 DT.
i hope this clears up YOUR confusion (about football at least)
Your an idiot, if you think....
That we should use our first round pick on a DT, period.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
Wow, what the !#*%? are you even talking about?
Your brain is wasted! Let’s use are #1 pick on a DT? And I am the one who is confused? Your an idiot, period!
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
Dusty stunk up the field last year, until he finally got hurt.
When Adams took his place, we were finally making some tackles in the run game from the interior line.
We played 8 men in the box the majority of the season, to focus on stopping the run. Maybe if we had a better run defender at DT, we wouldn’t need to stack the box all the time.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
Really Poor Selection
It’s as if he saw the Bears “Positions of Needs” list like you find on the mock draft boards and then chose the highest guy on the board at that position, regardless of whether it’s a good fit for the team.
And a guy who can’t get sacks is not a good fit for this team. At least, not another one.
Insert clever and witty remark slash pun here!
UMD 8/04 - 5/08: Go Terps!
no and no
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
This pick makes no sense
If Angelo and the Bears pick a DE it’s going to English or Johnson, not this guy. It’s as if Kiper had a brain cramp when he predicted this one.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
Odds are NIU DE/LB English falls to second round, Go Bears Move Up and Steal Him!
With the possibility of Larry English going in the second round, because NIU is not high profile school, much like Tulane wasn’t for Forte, this could be a big second round pick for the Bears. This local Huskie hybrid edge rusher has the burst and speed of a gap shooting linebacker and a strong outside rush attack that forces quarterbacks and running backs into the pocket for guys like Tommie Harris, Lance Briggs, or Brian Urlacher to make a play. Ogunleye and Brown, though still having good football in them, didn’t create that edge rush pressure on the qb’s for most of the season. Besides the pro bowlers, guys like Nick Roach and Hunter Hillenmeyer as linebackers didn’t do much and the only one that came close to making plays like a linebacker was Daniel Mannning at nickel. This is an English only policy I can support, for the second round at least. Free up the first round pick to get Boldin from the Cardinals so they don’t franchise tag him there and give an offense where the only receiver he has to grapple with is Hester. Wouldn’t Boldin be great for Hester to learn from. Hester at receiver is still a good idea, he is still a game changer, and lately he’s been showing up to play like a big game receiver. We didn’t see that much at all in 07.
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Jan 23, 2009 12:20 AM CST reply actions
I have been hesitant to comment on Tyson...
Because he has been confusing to try and figure out. As a diehard LSU fan, I have had a close eye on Tyson, and still can’t figure out his potential. One game he would show up and destroy OLinemen, and the next game I would barely hear his name mentioned. He teeters between average and superstar, and I could see him being a first rounder, as well as see him being a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
Tyson is a great athelete, especially considering his size. His teammates respond well to him. And he will do well in the NFL, providing he has a good coach to develop him. Maybe that’s what it is: he is raw. I could see Marinelli really doing something with Tyson. I really like the kid… he has a great attitude, and a great desire to play the game. But there are just too many question marks right now to see him being a high-profile pick. His performance at the combine will definately answer a lot of questions.
Things will get better as they improve...
Well
The one thing we do have is a great DL coach in Marinelli. I’ll take Tyson on one condition: only Marinelli gets to talk/coach him. No one else.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
If there is that much question
you don’t take him at 18. Maybe a team like Pittsburgh who already has a good D and good pass rush can take a chance and give him the time he needs, but for us we need as close to a sure thing as we can get at whatever position we draft.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
That mentality should have been applied last year...
Because apparently, there were a few questions regarding Chris Williams. Maybe his back issues this season were completely separate from his college issues (which is what JA said), but it sure was an interesting coincidence if that were really the case.
Things will get better as they improve...
He sounds
like Michael Haynes. No thanks.
I would like either a safety, a WR, or an OT with the first pick.
DEJESUS!!!
every year, as im sure many of you
i get pretty into the draft. with that said, just thinking of history, I dont believe you get value taking a DE in the mid first round. i would rather see trading up for a lineman in another deep class or trade down and stock pile picks. I like Beekmans progession this year, so i would like to see some young blood brought in to compete with garza or tait.
i like “no it all” points on some guards but i really believe for where this team is at, we need a o lineman that can play Now. we dont have time for another project. I also like chifans point: i think rod m’s discipline and teaching could not only get the depth chart correct but get these current boys playing inspired football. Rod i believe wont play favorites and will put the best guys forward…
I'd love
to bring someone in to take over Tait’s job.
My friend went to the Jacksonville game last year (I could’ve gone, but I had a monster paper due on Monday) and said that Tait could barely walk into the tunnel under his own power. He didn’t get injured that game; he’s just that old.
Otherwise, I’d love to bring some competition in for Garza. I agree that I liked Beekman’s progression (to a point).
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
maybe 6 OTs in the 1st round this year
I would be as thrilled as anybody if the bears move up to draft a guy for the o line because that would mean they identified a stud and got him… but with the depth at OT and the 18th pick if OL is on the menu for the 1st round i doubt they move up for a tackle.
guy I am starting to like at #18 is Duke Robinson. the consensus #1 G in the draft and on the board at #18 according to most mock drafts. I am opposed to drafting an offensive lineman in the 1st round (doubling down on Chris William from last year), but i think Robinson is going to be the real deal…
Tait needs to be replaced too which is good because he only makes $5,150,000 (?).
Duke Robinson is intriguing
the one thing i will say to no it all is that i believe we have some flexibilty to play two rookie offensive lineman given the fact that olin kruetz is in the middle, commanding accountability. The o line produced alot more good moments than i believed they could this season, and kruetz leadership is a big part of that.
I’d like to see the bears keep st.clair as well. i think he had some good moments in 07 at RT, and the giants game vs strahan comes to mind. his athletcisim makes him izzy idonije like on offense, so he could provide some good competition to either tait or maybe even garza, if we cant address this oline entirely through the draft.
He didn't look
very good in the national championship game as he was getting beat quite a bit by Florida. he was holding alot and that was dissapointing which makes me worry about him.
Besides weathermen,
Kiper has the job where he can just completely guess, be considerbly wrong, and still get paid big bucks
Erm, well if we are going to call Milton Bradley nicknames, mine is Fischer Price: yes, you heard it here first..
Edge rusher like Larry English needed bad for defensive resurgence
the Bears might have to address this need in the first round if they are real about the defensive line changes they are signaling with the Marinelli hire. This kid would be a great add to the monsters of midway persona. Not to mention a local player that is handling very well his local stardom. Watch this kid on you tube.
Ghost of Ron Rivera
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Jan 24, 2009 10:12 PM CST reply actions
He's Good Don't Get Me Wrong
But it seems that all the analysts think he will fit better in a 3-4 scheme where he can be one of those hybrid LB/DEs rather than just a DE. In this case he wouldn’t work too well with the Bears.
Fire Ron Turner!!!
Fire Angelo!!
by Sam Householder on Jan 25, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
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