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To completely understate our feelings thus far, it’s been a maddening offseason. Not even a full day after the season ended, Lovie Smith and Ron Turner proclaimed Kyle Orton the starting QB next year. Turner championed what we knew all season: We need to bring a WR weapon. Jerry Angelo proceeded to call a news conference and tell reporters that “it all revolves around the quarterback.” Lovie then said Orton was still the starting QB. Jerry responded by going on Mully and Hanley’s AM show and repeating his claim of getting a better QB, and the OL and WR’s are “mix-and-match.” Can't wait for the trading period to start....we get to see what Jerry "I brought in Dan Buenning" Angelo can whip up this offseason.

As others have stated, this is the guy who had none other than Chad Hutchinson at QB. To call out Kyle after a year where we got decent performance out of our quarterback is asinine, and furthermore, Angelo’s logic is absurd.

 

- Have solid lines of communication with your employees. Rule #1 of a successful leader.

 

- Devin Hester as a #1 WR isn’t a problem? Marty Booker’s still on the payroll, Brandon Lloyd was a Band-Aid, Rashied Davis can’t catch a cold. We should sue the consulting firm that selected Jerry as our GM to get those years and money back.

 

- OL is mix and match, eh Jer? That’s sure as hell what you did at the beginning of the season with our line.

 

Everyone knows that I intensely dislike Jerry Angelo, but that’s not the point of this post. Follow me after the jump.

Star-divide

I really struggled deciding if I should post this.

 

Jerry Angelo and Lovie Smith are not fit to be in charge of our Chicago Bears. I’ve always been wary of Angelo, but I’m just joining the anti-Lovie crowd. I finally figured out how to get rid of both of them:

 

Commit organizational suicide next year.

 

Before you all jump on my back, let me explain.

 

1) Jerry and Lovie disagree on what path to take during the offseason; Jerry wants a QB, Lovie a WR. From their constant back-and-forth disagreements in the press, it’s clear that their outlooks for the organization are different. Disagreements happen, but don’t use the media as your soap box.

 

2) As we can see from Ruben Brown’s statements, Lovie’s “cool, calm, and delusional” persona is bleeding into the team’s head. We overachieved this year. If we address defense with the first pick in the draft, they have clearly lost it. Yes, our defense wasn’t good, but our offense was worse. We need OL help and we need a #1 receiver. If we go get defense in order to shore it up, we’re just fulfilling Lovie’s vision of the “traditional Bears”: Great D and ST, good running, and horrible everywhere else.

 

3) Anyone remember the Chris Williams injury fiasco last summer? Crisis management is a huge priority in public relations.

 

The textbook case of excellent crisis management is Johnson & Johnson after they discovered that their Tylenol capsules were tainted. They immediately called a press conference to warn consumers, pulled all of their capsules off store shelves, and provided numerous avenues for concerned consumers to contact the organization and get their questions answered. The company took a financial hit that quarter due to their total recall, but they were lauded in the press as one of the top ethical companies.

 

The Bears, on the other hand, took a different avenue. Jerry hastily called a press conference, but not to appease consumers. He brought the head of the Bears medical department with him (which rarely, if ever, happens). He was short and curt to reporters, often speaking with a raised and condescending voice.

 

While these examples are obviously different, it shows the lack of leadership Jerry possesses. Two things Jerry should have known: 1) The press has the power to put you on a pedestal or drag your reputation through the dirt; 2) If you’re truthful early on, you’ll lose short-term, but you’ll win the war.

 

4) At this point, I don’t want just Lovie gone; this has to be a package pink-slip. Lovie and Jerry could be gone if we perform poorly next year (which we will if we retain most of our current roster). If they are both shown the door, we’ll have the opportunity to get football-intelligent minds in Halas Hall. I’m not doubting that Lovie and Jerry truly are smart, but their ineptitude is wearing thin with me.

 

Let me make this clear: I don’t want to perform badly next year for a higher draft pick. If Jerry and Lovie are making that selection, a high draft pick does not help us in any way. I would prefer that Ted Phillips would have the stones to fire Jerry and Lovie right now, but he doesn't. If one poor year equals their firing, that's a successful season in my mind.

 

As a fan of the team, I obviously want to see them do well next year. At the same time, an objective look at this team shows the need for management to leave Halas Hall. If Lovie and the team truly believe they’re close to anything resembling a playoff team, they’re delusional at best. I want to see a great Bears team take the field, not a haphazardly thrown-together mess.

 

5) WCG brought up a key point about Boldin, which I equate to any elite FA. Why don't the Bears go out and get any high-quality FA? Because of Jerry and Lovie! They're in charge and they have decided thus far to not go out and get big-time FA's. If we get rid of the cancer, the body (obviously) has a better chance of recovering. No one wants to be on the Bears because of our schemes, among other things. We're not viewed as an ideal destination.

 

It’s an interesting thought: If the Bears tank it next year, there’s a decent probability both could be shown the door. IF we get proper personnel in place (read: anyone from the Patriots), we would obviously gain in the long run.

 

Should we commit organizational suicide for a year in order to procure long-term success? What’s your take?

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First let me say

I understand what you are getting at. I don’t know if I agree yet that JA and Lovie must go now, though I’m getting there.

That said, I don’t like the idea of losing on purpose. It is bad for fans, it may create a loosing environment, hamper contract re-signings and it could hurt free agent pick ups. Why for example would Boldin come to Chicago if he knew that the Bears on any given year might tank it to clear management or scare away players.

JA has a job because he was hired, Lovie has a job because he was hired. If there are the problems, maybe the rant should be out the guy who hired Jerry and continues to let him run the show.

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by Adam T on Jan 29, 2009 2:58 PM CST reply actions  

I knew I was missing a point

Thanks, I’ll post that in there.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel like you feel but

I am not willing to tank everything. I don’t want to be a lions fan to just get rid of Jerry and Lovie, In my mind this is Lovie’s last chance or e will be out of here. Believe me I am frustrated, I even pay $110 per ticket 10 times a year. I am again putting my blind hope and faith that they will do whatever they can to bring in Boldin and some FA OLineman and get us that much closer. I am screwed for one more year (or maybe not)…

by tfrabotta on Jan 29, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

It's like I said a while back in another post.

This team is no different than any other company. The owner hires executives to run the show. Profitability and success is the goal of the owner. The executives author a plan to achieve those goals, and hire management to carry out the game plan. Management hires workers to do the dirty work. When the company is not successful, who is the first in line to get the blame? Sometimes, it is the workers at the bottom of the chain who have poor performance. Sometime, it is management’s fault for not hiring good enough workers, or not motivating workers enough. Sometimes it is the executives’ faults for not hiring efficient management. And sometimes, it is the owner’s fault for hiring subpar executives. A perfect example of this business can be seen in with the San Diego Chargers.

So, in Chicago, does the blame fall on the owner for hiring poor executives? Is it the executives’ fault for hiring poor management? Is it management’s fault for hiring poor coaches? Is it the coach’s fault for hiring poor coordinators? Is it the coordinators’ faults for hiring poor assistants?

At some point, after years of failure, you may see a company fire everyone and start over. This is even more true in professional sports than most industries. Have the Bears last few years had enough turmoil to justify a “blank page start-over”? Or do we need to start at the bottom, like hiring Marinelli, and redo the responsibilities, like having Lovie call the defense?

In any case, I can not see the folks at the bottom ultimately providing the results the owner wants to see here in Chicago. But there are a lot of levels between the ownership and the scrubs.

Things will get better as they improve...

by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I knew you'd get me

HR, represent!

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

We have not had enough

We have had a SB season. We have more often than not owned the Packers and have been in the playoff race a majority of the time.

If anything my issue is with the philosophy that Lovie and JA use to better the team.

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by Adam T on Jan 29, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly, how much do you think is JA's and how much Lovies philosophy?

Cause I’d bet that Lovie’s moves are based on what JA tells him to do.

I’d say what we see as far as philosophy, and culture, from those 2 would be 80% Jerry and 20% Lovie.

Just like with my job. Even though there is plenty I would do differently if it were my company, I have to do what my boss (the owner) says, and I have to have my employees work towards the company’s goals, not my own. I am in a management position, but still have to follow the owner’s guidelines whether I agree with them or not.

That said, I’d actually bump Jerry’s influence to 85% and Lovie’s to 15%.

The owner bought the paint, and decided how he wants the house to look. He hired Jerry to make it happen. Jerry hired Lovie to be in charge of carrying out the orders, and had a say in who Lovie’s helpers would be. Now, the house ain’t looking like it should, and Jerry is telling Lovie “I’m making you help with the painting, and gave you a couple of new painters. Now, don’t screw this house up, or both of our arses are on the line.”

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't agree with this entirely...

I think that off the field stuff definently fits that description, but on the field is all Lovie all the time. That’s the whole reason why Chico Rivera was run out of town, wasn’t it? Because he didn’t agree with Lovie’s defensive philosophy and Lovie doesn’t deal well with subordinates who disagree. So while JA ultimatly makes the decisions on players, it’s Lovie who puts them on the field and it’s Lovie’s philosophy that’s being run.

It does seem like the two of them are drifting apart on what they think, which may be a plan to throw off other teams about where the Bears are going with their draft and it may be that Lovie is wearing out his welcome with JA. I think it’s time for Lovie to go because the guy can’t adapt to changes even when they need to be made and I can’t say I would mind seeing JA leaving with him.

by RestlessSoul on Jan 29, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

but this speaks to me of poor ownership. If you see a failing by your underlings, ownership needs to step in and do something to change it.

And letting a group of position coaches isn’t a change, thats nothing.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 29, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Nitpick

doesn’t Bouldin have 2 years left on his contract? if he comes here, it’ll be organziatioanlly decided not by Boldin.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 29, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

"decent performance out of our quarterback"

I have read more often than not the “Grossman sucks” and we needed to have better production from our QB. I have also read where the stats for Grossman from ’06 and Orton from ’08 were almost the same. I understand the Grossman was not consistent, but the same production from a more consistent Orton is not any more of a decent performance than the QB that helped get us to a Super Bowl. Logic dictates that if one is not an option long term, then the other should not be an option long term either.

We still need more than a “decent” or “consistent” QB for our offense to produce anything more than what we got last year.

by hall27 on Jan 29, 2009 4:12 PM CST reply actions  

Ok....

Tom Brady couldn’t have a career year with our receivers. Or our OL.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a career year but he would throw for over 20 tds,

Look at the receivers he threw to before Randy Moss and Wes Welker came, plus he used to throwing at WRs who are actually DBs

by chase17 on Jan 29, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Rashied Davis?

Marty Booker?

You can’t be serious.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

"You can’t be serious."

What was the difference between the OL and WR groups in ‘06 and ’08? Next to nothing. Production from the backfield was not too much different either. To me, there is still not much difference between ’Good Rex/Bad Rex’ and ‘St. Orton’.

No do not get me wrong, I am totally on board the ‘Fire JA and LS’ bandwagon. I whole heartedly wished at the very least LS needed to go this year.

by hall27 on Jan 29, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Orton has his major flaws

So does Rex.

We have a crappier OL and we had Berrian in ’06. Berrian was a downfield threat for a downfield thrower (Rex).

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you here why the Bears were not able to keep Berrian?

He actually said he did not give the Bears a discount because they would not gaurantee that Rex would be his QB.

by hall27 on Jan 29, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I did not hear that

Interesting….

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Berrian is overrated

thats why they didn’t keep him.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 29, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

So Berrian likes crappy QBs

he liked Grossman, but not Orton, so he goes and signs with Minn to play with Jackson?

It was all about money, if he wanted he could have given the Saints a discount and he’d may be in the Pro Bowl this year.

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by Adam T on Jan 29, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

He likes money

$7mill a year fro a guy that runs three routes – Fly, 10 yrd hook and a deep in..no thanks

by tfrabotta on Jan 30, 2009 7:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Um

I’d have paid the guy to $7 mil to sit on the bench as long as he doesn’t catch that 99 yarder to end our season. Plus he prolly wouldnt have been sitting on the bench and not only would he not have ended our season, but likely would have helped us get to the playoffs and maybe get a home game, which would have helped get some of the $ back.

Maybe Berrian is not worth $7 million a year. The problem is the bears won’t pay any receiver $7 Million a year no matter how good he is.

by No It All on Jan 30, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

prove it

heard a lot about berrian not likeing the qb situation but never anything about grossman being his favorite. link it up.

by mike b on Jan 30, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I may have been off on the discount, but the Grossman is my qb part was correct.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/102527-rex-grossman-could-end-up-a-minnesota-viking

by hall27 on Jan 30, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

My prediction:

Chris Simms will be Orton’s back-up for one season, and if Hanie doesn’t develop into a starter in 2 seasons (which he undoubtedly won’t), then we may be stuck with Simms as out starter. Wild sounding, I know, but at least Simms still has potential.

Yes, ChiFan, I actually like a Longhorn. But he is the only one in history I have ever liked. Wait, I liked Applewhite too.

Things will get better as they improve...

by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

You don't like McCoy?

What’s to hate about that kid?

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Woo Hoo!!

Ryan Perilloux in 2 seasons baby!!!

In a heartbeat!

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Take a look at the FB post

He wants Quinn Johnson instead of McKie :)

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait... post over-load...

Who thinks this?

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

You, since he’s from LSU :)

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd just as well have

BoBab run up the middle. We’re not gonna get the first down anyhow, so why not get ol Bob knocked in the head a bit?

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Why?

That’d make our defense worse! lol

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

No, but Ricky Jean Francois is...

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Again....what do you hate about McCoy?

I mean, we joke alot about school rivalries, but I don’t really hate anyone from LSU minus Ryan “I screwed up a lot” Perrilloux.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

That's why they call him

Colt “The Baby-Faced Assassin” McCoy.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Stimulates you, huh?

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

:)

You felt the same way about Matt Flynn, so don’t give me that attitude.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

No,

I’ve never been too high on Flynn. I liked him… he won us a Nat’l Championship, but he was nothing too special. He’ll be a good back-up in the big leagus for a lot of years, and is very smart.

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's how I felt about him

especially watching the national championship. Didn’t blow my socks off, but didn’t do anything to lose it either.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't hate anyone.

Growing up, I just got tired of hearing about the Horns.

And the only reason you hate Perilloux is because he gave the middle finger to Texas. You would have wanted him…

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah!

I mean, he’s a model citizen and all.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Hind site is 20/20.

You know you would have wanted him at Texas.

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Prior to his good citizenship arrests, I did.

By the way, you’ll love this:

My advisor’s brother-in-law is a booster at UT. Super rich dude. He was at a luncheon in McCoy’s hometown held for him after the Heisman ceremonies. He talked about how it was really cool to just hang with Bradford and kick it with him the whole week. Someone asked him about Tebow, and McCoy said, “He may be the fakest individual I’ve ever met before.”

I knew Tebow wasn’t a saint.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

thats music to my ears

espn needs to stop having media sex with tebow!!!

by SamuraiMike50 on Jan 29, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I know

I was hoping a big newspaper was covering the event, but I guess it was put on by a booster and was semi-private.

Oh well. Consider it one of NBC’s “The more you know” ads.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh,

The media has a different boy-crush every year. Quinn, Tebow, who know s after Tebow? But there will always be a media boycrush…

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I know

But Tebow’s is annoying, just like #4.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

yep :)

my team currently sucks so another reason why i can’t involve myself in an argument with the 3 best teams in the country

by SamuraiMike50 on Jan 29, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

But a traditional power

If we had this talk last offseason, you could’ve brought up the total wins bit.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

He's left-handed.

And I only have room in my Left-handed Quarterback group for one. Simms has that slot.

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

He’s right handed. Try again?

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know then.

I mean, he’s a great QB, but just doesn’t blow my skirt up or anything.

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

I coulda sworn he was a lefty.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 29, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

His associations...

with Mack Brown, the biggest cry-baby in all of sports. Boomer Sooner!!!

I actually have nothing against Colt, because with the three way tie when Oklahoma won it, he didn’t complain and cry, like his Coach.

by chase17 on Jan 29, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Give me a break

Coming from a supporter of Can’t-ever-win-a-big-game Bob, that means nothing.

Hey, speaking of which, how has OU done the last couple years in the RRS?

Check.

What about theoverall record?

Checkmate.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Awww... listen to the t-sip...

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, records are records

Can’t argue ’em.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Very true...

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

WCG

what an unlikely place for Big 12/SEC bantering

by SamuraiMike50 on Jan 29, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh...

I live in Oregon, and can’t stand all of the Pac 10 nonsense.

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

i HATE the Pac-10

my team has no conference so i am exempt from conference war 2009

by SamuraiMike50 on Jan 29, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

lol...

U a golden-domer?

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought

you were a USC fan?

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

my team is trash

which is another reason why i can’t argue w/ LSU, Horns, and Sooners fans, you guys have a much better team than i do

Chi- i can’t stand USC!!!! (but i do respect Sanchez)

by SamuraiMike50 on Jan 29, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Being cryptic with your team?

Trash = Irish?

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

sry, my post wasn't working

what i was trying to say is that i can’t join the argument w/ LSU, Horns, and Sooners, because my team is trash

Chi- i hate USC more than i hate the Packers, but i do respect Sanchez’s ability, but i’ve on from him, Nate Davis is my latest qb crush

by SamuraiMike50 on Jan 29, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree

Davis is my heart throb at the moment.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Stoops doesn't cry...

Every time you see Mack on the sideline he is winning, Bob yells at the officials but not after every play. If you would have watched the OU-OSU game when Mack Brown basically started crying about how Texas always gets screwed and how they should play in the Big 12 Championship. All Stoops said was if you are going to go head-to-head then Tech should go. He didn’t cry. Plus when he was offered a spot to talk at the Texas-A&M game, Stoops refused.

However, my Stoops supporting power is falling, based on the fact that he might be the worst motivator of all time. In the last 2 years, which is a couple, the series is 1-1.

by chase17 on Jan 29, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Try the last four?

Bob complains all the time.

That’s ok, we’ll beat you next year. Again. On a neutral field. Again.

Please please please don’t give me the Bob Stoops saint card. He’s far from it.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Any successful coach

At a big time school is essentially a really good cheater/ misleader/ liar. Recruiting success hinges on things we don’t read about in the media.

And I know this for a fact. Not trying to be an internet bragger/ exaggerator, but I was recruited in 2 sports, and the dirty little lies that coaches tell to their recruits are sickening.

They may be great coaches, but there lies know no bounds…

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

I agree. Les Miles, Mack Brown, Bob “can’t win a big game” Stoops, Urban Meyer, Pete Carroll….they all lie.

I’m not that naive.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Meyer and Spurrier are 2 of the all time worst.

And Saban.

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

You're forgetting

Barry Switzer.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

And
Every time you see Mack on the sideline he is winning

You better believe it!

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol...

I love how often people type winning instead of whining.

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice Try...

Lets look at who is actually winning…

Winning Percentages
     Bob Stoops .826
     Mack Brown .805

Looks like Stoops wins, plus I’m not saying Stoops is a saint I believe I said I was getting annoyed at his inability to motivate his players.

by chase17 on Jan 29, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Umm

Two things:

First, you said this:

Every time you see Mack on the sideline he is winning

Which is true. He wins bowl games (read: big games) and also has trounced blOU the past four years.

Second, it really doesn’t matter what Stoops winning percentage is. How has he done in big games (I’ll spell this out for you: ranked games at neutral fields and national championship games)? I know you’ll point to Texas Tech, but since you beat them on your home field, that means jack. Don’t believe me? What’s your record at Norman?

Stoops is not a big game coach. Just accept it.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

they have 1 year for me to put together a contender or GTFO

perhaps we should have the Illinois congress hold impeachment hearings for Lovie and JA… oh wait they are a little busy at the moment

by SamuraiMike50 on Jan 29, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions  

LOL!

A+ on the joke. They’ve had enough years for me.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree 50%,

I agree that the Bears should fire Angelo right now, on the spot. I mean I wish that I could get a job that paid millions and keep it by consistantly missing on my draft picks and FA signings.
He is not talented enough to find raw and young talent and refuses to pay for refined talent.

However, I would be willing to give Lovie another season even if next year is bad. The reason is look at the talent he has had to deal with, you can’t blame him for that Angelo picks the players, and he wins more than he loses especially against the Packers. I guess I am still not out of his corner, yet.

by chase17 on Jan 29, 2009 4:23 PM CST reply actions  

Very true

I just got really pissed when I heard Ruben’s comments, because that sounds an awful lot like Lovie’s spin.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The spin is annoying...

but what do you expect him to say, “Besides Forte and Olsen, all of my players suck. We have no chance to get into the playoffs we might as well quit now.” However, he would get his own beer commercial with that kind of press conference.

by chase17 on Jan 29, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

hahaha

God, I wish someone would say that.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Or

That could be the NFL’s commercial like they had last year.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope Gruden doen's get picked up this year.

I’d LOVE to have him replace Lovie…

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 4:48 PM CST reply actions  

As long as we're at it

let’s bring in Jeff Garcia for good measure.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

And Warren Sapp, Steve Spurrier, and

Brian Griese?

 ducks

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by Dane Noble on Jan 29, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh

I loathe smirky Jon Gruden. Over-rated.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 29, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

7 years ago

against the team he’d just left.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 30, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to Change the Subject but back to JA

JA is a bad GM. I am still not convinced entirely that its his fault though because maybe management puts him on a budget. I don’t know, sometimes I think the McKaskey’s are the ones bringing this franchise down.

Also I still believe in Lovie. Mostly because as a radio guy put it one time; Lovie is to this point the third best coach in Bears history behind George Halas and Mike Ditka. Halas coached for like 30-40 years and Ditka had how many Hall of Famers or near HOFs on his teams? All right and now we have Smith who has how many HOFers? Maybe 1 (Urlacher) and even he isn’t a sure thing or nearly a sure thing. So I think JA needs to go before Lovie. Although Lovie does need to show me he can adapt a little more and not just do his thick-headed “So-and-so is our QB,” or “The system works we will stick with the cover-2” etc, etc.

by Sam Householder on Jan 29, 2009 8:53 PM CST reply actions  

And the Lovie-speak...

…has to go, ferchrist’ssake. I want a hard-nosed head coach who’ll call a spade a spade and look angry when the team loses a game they should have won. The Monsters of the Midway? Ha!

by Spongie on Jan 29, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

having a guy who looks the part is very important.

by mike b on Jan 30, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

GG, don't take this the wrong way

cuz you’re one of my favorite posters. But the Bears were in the top 10 team salaries in 2008.

I mean, Lovie is great in terms of wins and losses. BUT, he has settled for mediocrity too many times.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 29, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

No you're right

I didn’t realize we were top 10 in salary. I guess I just believed some stuff I heard in the past and assumed it was still that way. I just get sick of hearing, “We won’t overpay, we want market value.” That seems to translate to a 1 year veteran minimum contract to Lloyd. Do you think the Jets overpaid for Faneca? Maybe a bit, like down the road when he starts slipping but hes a solid guard for that team now.

And the settling for mediocrity is what I meant by adapt. He has 1 more year to show me that he is willing to change and actually get on the players who don’t do well and not just stick to his cover-2 and stand by questionable assistant coaches (Turner, Babich, etc)

by Sam Householder on Jan 30, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I wonder...

How much of JA missing on draft picks is Lovie’s coaching scheme or JA’s inability to evaluate talent? That’s the real question, isn’t it? Because having a great coach makes up for having an average talent evaluator, but the same can’t be said the other way around. I realize the Bears haven’t really been able to find great players on offense for years, but they seem to keep fielding better than average defenses. I know we expect more, but could it be that the reason the Bears aren’t a good team has less to do with on the field talent and more to do with what the coaching staff is trying to do with the talent?

The Colts have been a good team for a long long time and you can point to Peyton Manning all you want, but the true key to that team was their coaching staff’s ability to get the most out of less than great players at other positions. You can see it when their players get signed by other teams…they just don’t produce the same way (i.e. – Dominic Rhodes, Jason David, Cato June). Same thing in Baltimore with their defensive players and the Patriots. They lost their best players every week but continued to win with a quarterback that hadn’t started a game since high school. Tom Brady thrived throwing to Troy Brown. Matt Cassell isn’t a great player, but he’s in a great system and it makes him look like he could be. I don’t feel like the Bears take that into account when they evaluate their players very well. Mark Anderson as a starting defensive end? Please! He never does anything but try to speed rush around the end and the rest of the league knows it. Mike Brown is an amazing player but he can’t stay healthy. Yet we keep getting stuck relying on players who don’t fit into what the coaching philosophy is and it seems like JA and Lovie have been at odds for a long time.

I’ll make one last point. I’ve watched Missouri’s quarterback Chase Daniels and Texas Tech’s Graham Harrell for 3 years and they look like they could be special quarterbacks, but I’ve come to realize that it’s the system. They look good because their abilities fit with what the coaches wanted to do. Neither has a great chance to do much in the NFL because Daniels is too short to see the passing lanes and Harrell lacks arm strength to throw the deep out routes. And while they probably won’t end up being Rex Grossman bad (because they both have awareness in the pocket), there’s never going to be a time where someone looks at either one and says “that’s classic drop back quarterback.” It’s just the way it is. And when I look at the players on the Bears roster, I don’t see them fitting the system they’re in. It’s a failure to communicate between Lovie and JA and it’s a difference of philosophy. Lovie wants to run the ball, but we don’t have run blocking lineman and we don’t draft them. Chris Williams was praised for his ability to pass block. Lovie wants to play cover two, but we only have one classic cover 2 corner and no reliable safeties. And rather than adjust his philosophy to fit the talent he has on the field, Lovie is doing that thing that my 3 years old cousin does when he plays with the different shaped blocks…trying to shove the square piece into the triangle hole. I think we all know how well that works and I can’t see the situation getting any better because neither of them seems like the type of person who can change their philosophy to meet with the other’s ideas.

by RestlessSoul on Jan 29, 2009 11:44 PM CST reply actions  

What does it say about the Bears' coaching staff...

…if the Colts’ players’ performance drops off when they get signed by other teams (the players are coached well to fit into the specific philosophy of the Colts), and ours seem to be more productive when they go elsewhere?

Gah!

by Spongie on Jan 30, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Ummm

I just don’t want to have to start over and watch the Bears rebuild for the next few years if we drop these guys—Bears are the only thing that gets me excited during the dreary fall/winter months.

 We all have jumped on the Bears defense the past two years but, why don’t we ever jump on the offensive coaching staff? When’s the last time anyone has enjoyed watching the play calling from our offensive coordinators Ron Turner blows and so did Shoop (spelling?). Almost every time we run the ball the other team is expecting it and we are always predictable on 3rd downs. OFFENSIVE C. needs to go.

by Stellarpete22 on Jan 30, 2009 6:39 AM CST reply actions  

about missing draft picks

do we have any numbers anywhere that tell us the bears “miss” on draft picks at a igher rate than any other team?

would be an interesting exercise if i was ever stuck on a 30 hour plane ride that somehow had internet access.

by mike b on Jan 30, 2009 9:12 AM CST reply actions  

Over what time period were you thinkin?

Cuz I was thinking about going through the last 5-7 years doing it just for the Bears.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 30, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

5-7 years would work

the hard part would be doing it for all teams

by mike b on Jan 30, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Indeed.

But then at least we could have numbers for it and put that argument to bed.

I’m gonna mark that down….it’d be something interesting to do over the summer.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 30, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking about this as well

You would need to make some sort of sliding scale giving points to how well each player has performed vs. where they were taken in the draft. So a bust at the #4 pick in the draft would hurt more than a bust taken in the sixth round.

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by Mordecai on Jan 30, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

The scale would have to have some variables. For instance, a sliding scale of playing time (if a 1st round pick isn’t a starter in the 3rd year, etc.).

We’ll talk about this soon; it’d be easier for two of us to get it done.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 30, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Pittsburgh seem to do well with their first round picks...

From this Yahoo Sports article… http://tinyurl.com/bg53cl

"Several years ago, then-Falcons general manager Rich McKay stood on the team’s practice field and related one of the simpler formulas for Super Bowl success: Don’t miss.

Don’t miss on first-round draft picks. Don’t miss on major free-agent signings. Don’t miss on internal evaluations that can lead a team to critical mass."

grumble

by Spongie on Jan 30, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Good idea wrong reason

we should tank next year, but obviously the reason is so we can draft Tebow with the 1st pick…

I still like Lovie even though i think he is more of a “nice guy” than i would like. with all the blah blah about Marinelli the thing i like the most is that he is known for putting his players through hell during practice. I got the impression that Lovie was kind of taking it easy on the guys and just assuming the same kind of production would be there.

JA is garbage. Maybe Manning will end up being more boom than bust, but when I saw he played at Abilene Christian I knew JA was askew (no offense to the school or anything but come on).

I recall an earlier post questioning whether or not these guys ever order chinese food and watch tape together. Something tells me they don’t because they think they are football experts and above such crude coaching/management techniques.

if we miss the playoffs then JA must go.

by No It All on Jan 30, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

Ahahahahaha!

Sorry, I couldn’t read beyond the first sentence in your comment. Christ Almighty…

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by Dane Noble on Jan 30, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

whatever Goobers

I’m good, but I’m not this Christ guy you’re making me out to be.

by No It All on Jan 30, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

That's no joke

He knows that Tebow won’t be a starting QB in the NFL.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 30, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure

Just lemme give him a jingle.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 30, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

NEVER, EVER, EVAAARRRR!!!

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by Dane Noble on Jan 30, 2009 5:13 PM CST reply actions  

Yes sir

You now must hit the reply button every single time for the rest of 2009.

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by ChiFan13 on Jan 30, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Yessir.

Things will get better as they improve...

by Dane Noble on Jan 30, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure

but by itself it stands out as a VERY funny whiny tangent.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 30, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

for spelling whiny correctly. :)

Things will get better as they improve...

by Dane Noble on Jan 30, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

God bless Firefox

with its spell checking capabilities. Otherwise I’d make even less sense!

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 30, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

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