Bears Off Season Outline
by Adam T on Jan 8, 2009 7:51 AM CST
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PrintI don't know if we ever put this list out and not just in a comment thread somewhere and I am by no means positive this is complete, so if you see some info missing please drop the missed play in the comments and I'll update.
Bears Free Agents:
The Bears took care of all of their big names last year, so this year nobody that is hugely important is a priority.
Mike Brown
Kevin Jones
Brandon Lloyd
Darrell McClover
Rex Grossman
John St. Clair
Brandon McGowan
I think the Bears resign St. Clair for depth. Their plan is to hope that Chris Williams is ready to take over the spot, but St. Clair will step in if he is horrible or is needed other places along the line.
Draft:
The Bears once again did well enough that they fall outside the range of can't miss or amazing athlete options, but there look to be enough players in the areas they need that they should have their choice.
Position: 18
Team Needs:
Wide Receiver
Defensive End
Offensive Line
Quarterback
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As always
it depends on what your needs are versus what is available at your spot.
In our case there are 3-4 legitimate positions we could go after in the first, so I guess you could call it deep overall for us.
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Its really hard to tell yet
need all the underclassman to finish declaring.
But with the CBA expiring and the prospect of rookie pay scale, i bet a lot of underclassmen will come out.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
when you have a lot of needs...
shouldn’t bee too hard to find someone at 18th
by SamuraiMike50 on Jan 8, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Defensive Back?
Probably need add DB to the list of needs, since ours all break so easily and Mike B may not be back…
I would trade up
I don’t always think trading up is a good idea – depending on the position most needed you can get great players in the middle of the first round and have the benefit of not paying them that much. But my impression is (though I haven’t actually done a close analysis of this) that for a premium position like WR or QB, one of which, in my opinion, is the Bears biggest need, you need to get the absolutely top talent to get anything close to certainty of success.
Yes, there will always be some 6th rounder that makes it big, but more often then not the great WRs and QBs come from the top of the first round.
If the Bears could package a later pick and their first rounder I would definitely go for it.
How did SS or FS not make the needs list?
When you run the cover 2 you need a strong secondary. I know I have said this already but we ranked 30th in pass defense, allowing just over 240 yards per game on average. I am not sure that Craig Steltz is ready to fill in for Mike Brown. I love Mike Brown, he is a great player and our defense is better with him. However, his injuries are becoming annoying and I am not sure how much longer I would be willing to keep him. I know we picked up Cameron Worrell. He is a great special teams player, but I am not confident in his ability as a SS or FS.
by no.fair.weather.fan.here on Jan 8, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions
Not saying it isnt'
I did feel like putting every position except RB and TE on the list.
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LB's
I think Nick Roach is looking like a possible option, depends on how he develops over the off season and into next year, but I thought he played pretty well.
Not sure if he plays Weak or strong side.
I may have missed this but has there been any talk about moving Briggs inside and Urlacher outside?
by CurtisConway on Jan 8, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
I think he has to.
We pay too much money to Urlacher and Briggs to have another high priced LB. That is why I never really ragged on Hillenmeyer. He played decent and didn’t cost much.
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Roach plays strong
Briggs is Will.
There has been some talk about Briggs moving in on here, but nothing from the Bears themselves.
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Look the the big brain on Brad
All talking about the Will and stuff.
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i don't think steltz
will ever be the answer.
if the corners were actually jammign receivers the safeties would look a bit better.
when is chris harris a free agent? Ha.
So you are telling me . . .
Housh and Ashomonga will be Bears by March 1st? (in my mind at least)
by CurtisConway on Jan 8, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
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The Bears STILL have an outside chance of the 17th pick IF San Diego makes it to the Super Bowl as they’re the only Playoff team ahead of us and they would pick in the last 2 picks if they make it to the Super Bowl. So 17th overall is still a possibility.
Seriously!
wouldnt that just be amazing!
Side note here, Bears Fan in MN, surrounded by the worst fans in the world I might add, but there is alot of talk about Hasslbeck trade for maybe a 2nd and 3rd to the Queens. Dont know how much I like that.
When he is on he is good, but I think Holmgren had alot to do with that
Plus I think his back is shot
by CurtisConway on Jan 8, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Someone correct me along the way
but Childress is a Reid disciple who was Holmgren disciple, which is the West Coast Offense (of course, all of them are Bill Walsh disciples).
biggest problem Vikes have had is their QB the last few years, put Hasselback in there and there going to be a lot better, likely running an offense he’s already familiar with…
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by thecubreporter on Jan 8, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Vikes are also going to need
a saftey and a center, sounds like Sharper and Birk are all but gone, and they are going to have to pay AP soon, the rookie contract doesnt cover his value anymore. Lots of talk about them trading Chester Taylor too to maybe move up in the draft and go after Bradford, stafford, etc.
Is it sad that I may know as much about the damn queens as the bears? Damn sports radio in MN!
by CurtisConway on Jan 8, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Not at all
Can’t help that you live in a forbidden land. :)
I really don’t know what to say about the Taylor trade. I mean, that’s a huge bump up. They’d have to trade more than Taylor and their 1st round pick.
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I love
the idea of them getting rid of Taylor, he is huge for them on 3rd down, can catch and block. AP cant block to save his life!
But the man can run, that is for sure.
by CurtisConway on Jan 8, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
But who does that leave them with?
I mean, they’ll run AP into the ground if he doesn’t have a backup in there.
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Draft
Picking someone up in the later rounds I guess. Its all rumor mill for now, but there has always been talk about them trading Taylor, poor guy cant find a spot, he is a hell of a runner, wouldnt mind seeing him and Forte in the same backfield.
by CurtisConway on Jan 8, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Do what?
Why would Seattle ever make that trade?
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Just saying what I hear
maybe he wants out with Holmgren gone, that would be my guess.
FS, DE, and WR biggest needs, Orton is in place to succeed
The passing game in both offense and defense killed the Bears seasons hopes for a playoff spot. The Bears defensive line and pass rush was the most dissappointing of the season. The defensive ends didn’t get to the quarterback and really they didn’t have any power edge rushers collapsing the pocket. The defensive tackles at least stopped the run, but Tommie Harris was not himself in the 08 season. A fast and strong big body edge rusher is missing and we might be able to pick one up in the draft, some guy out of Georgie Tech in the first round.
Can’t have an outfield without a center fielder. Mike Brown and Kevin Payne are good strong safeties, and Payne has a future with this franchise, but there is no talented free safety on this team that presses receivers, picks passes, or disrupts the passing game.
Finally, how Kyle Orton was able to do what he did in the first half of the season, going 5-3, with amateur receivers and ranking in the top 10 of quarterbacks, i have no idea, but he ain’t the problem. Pre injury, he was hot handed, and how the Bears had a winning record after playing Carolina, the Colts, The Falcons, The Bucs, and the Eagles, Vikings I am still trying to decipher. This Kyle Orton kid has magic, but what he doesn’t have is a number one proven wide receiver. Not franchise tagging Bernard Berrian was as big of a mistake as firing defensive coordinator Ron Rivera and releasing safety Chris Harris.
We are toast next season if we don’t upgrade these positions. We are playing way too many playoff teams, just like 08. Steelers, Ravens, Falcons, Eagles, Vikings twice, Cardinals, a resurged and vengeful Cedric Benson and the Bengals. We all know what happens when former Bears come in to play their old team.
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Jan 8, 2009 1:14 PM CST reply actions
I lol'd @ Kyle Orton "has magic"
He is average. That is all. He is an average QB on an average football team. For every good throw he makes, he makes a bad one to bring him back to average. Just like our team. For every great play, there is a bone-headed play. Again, average. For average players, especially QB’s, to be successful, they have to be surrounded by above-average teammates to lift them up (see: Eli Manning, Kerry Collins).
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Eli and Kerry
Also have two of the best O lines in the game, I would venture to guess that Orton, with a line like that would probably produce some solid numbers.
Its easy to look like a great QB when you never have to pick yourself up off the ground after getting smashed.
Eli & Kerry also have the top 2 running games in the game
you can be average/slightly above average when you have a running game that takes all the pressure off of you.
for as good as forte was (and he was pretty incredible) we weren’t anywhere near efficent enough running the ball .
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
and great running games . . . ..
so basically you are GeauxBears
I meant to say "you are right GeauxBears" my bad
is it time to leave work yet?
Yes, you may call it a day.
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One last one before I call it a day:
FL v OK
Who ya got?
Got to with Bradford
to be honest with you though I just want a good game!
Final score 52-49 Sooners
I'm not that impressed by Oklahoma
No that I don’t think they’re good. But, everytime I’ve seen them, they’ve been showy. Florida has some grit to it and a defense that is so fast.
Wish we had a plus one system, winner of Ok/Fl vs USC would be a blast. Stupid BCS.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
it would have been
Texas, not USC
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by thecubreporter on Jan 8, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
USC lost to Oregon State
Texas lost to Texas Tech.
Should have been Texas – Florida in the national championship, but I’m tired of arguing about it.
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I still don't understand how Texas got jumped by Oklahoma
But in my definition of the plus one its the 2 best teams who didn’t get to play each other… and Florida & USC would be much more exciting then Texas or Okalhoma v anyone.
I think the Big 12 is overrated.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Ehhhh
Is this your way at getting back at me for the fat guy picture? lol
Do tell why the Big 12 is overrated.
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I don't think they're tough enough
Everyone seems to play that really finesse spread offense and no defense. its pretty and fun to watch if you like offense, but it doesn’t feel like “football” to me.
Admittedly, I don’t watch all of their games, but I’ve not been impressed by any one of the main big 12 teams this year.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
That’s what the Big XII is: High-flying offenses. However, we also play some pretty decent defense too (see Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., and Texas).
It’s not your traditional Big 10 games, if that’s what you mean. At the same time, the “Big” 10 also went 1-6 in bowl games this year, and Ohio State managed to pull off a BCS three-peat.
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Born in raised in big 10 country
and a big 10 girl… but i love SEC football.
You get high flying offenses there too, but you also have defense/running games too.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
Which high flying offenses were there this year in the Big 10?
I’m asking it honestly….the only one I could think of would be Ohio State, but that was also more based on the running game.
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I meant, SEC had some high scoring offenses
I wasn’t very clear. Sorry.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
well that certainly
would be unfair to Texas….
considering they already got kind of screwed in the first place. Of course Oklahoma would have every right to bitch about getting screwed over if they got skipped over.
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by thecubreporter on Jan 8, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
fair as it can be
without a playoff.
ncaa football should just quit pretending its about academic athletes and just call themselves what they are, minor league football.
Actually gotta agree with you there
Florida’s kids didn’t even go to class this whole week so they could prepare for the game.
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just saying that if you have a +1
then you should set up a better match ups for the teams in line for the +1 game then #3 v #10
The whole thing is set up really poorly for determining the best team.
in a +1 system
it would have been the winner of the BCS championship game and then the next best team from the remaining BCS bowls…
texas was #3 in the rankings by a fairly healthy margin and the BCS rankings DO NOT take into account the final margin of victory. The only way USC would finish ahead of Texas is if the voters put them there, but that’s doubtful.
and don’t get me started how USC gets an extra home game every year at the end, blowout their opponent, and leaves everyone wondering why they’re not playing for the title.
it’s like watching Orton do well versus the Lions and people telling me he’s a good QB
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by thecubreporter on Jan 8, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
it’s like watching Orton do well versus the Lions and people telling me he’s a good QB
I lol’ed at that. Spot-on analogy though.
USC plays in a terrible conference compared to the Big XII. And please, don’t try to argue that point. You’ll lose. Badly. We lost to a solid Texas Tech team on the last play of the game. USC got romped by an unknown at that point (Oregon State).
USC should play in the national championship every year. Unfortunately, they also get creative in finding ways to lose (see: Stanford, 2007 and Oregon State, 2008).
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USC has that annual
“how the f did they lose that game” but…. I buy into the idea every year that they COULD be in the running for the title.
If we ever got a viable system where the games were decided on the field I think they would be…..
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
don't get me wrong
USC is good and in the conversation, but they get to play in Pasadena against the Big-10 to finish the season, predictably blow them out and everyone is wondering why they’re not playing for the title game.
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by thecubreporter on Jan 8, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
so because they aren't perfect and play in california they don't get to play for the title?
Sorry, thats stupid.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
No
It’s because they’re supposedly “so good” throughout the year and then they lose stupid games to bad teams (Stanford and Oregon State).
Having your bowl game in Pasadena doesn’t hurt, and you have to admit that.
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I do admit it
but the argument that you have to be undefeated or perfect to win a college title is one of my peeves. USC peaks at the end of the season for the pac 10 run/rose bowl stuff… THAT is much more interesting to me as a fan. And THAT is why I’d like a playoff so that the teams are rewarded for for getting better as the season goes on.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not arguing against a playoff at all
Hell, as a Texas fan, I welcome it.
But still, here’s the bottom line: USC played in a bad conference against bad opponents. Wanting them to play in the title because they “peaked” at the end is not a smart argument. Of course they peaked! They have great talent going up against much less talent!
I realize that the argument of being perfect is a dumb one, but that’s what the BCS gave us. Unfortunately, that’s what teams have to do.
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I know
I’m just annoyed by the BCS in general.
And Penn State/Ohio State played in a horrible big 10 and still managed prime bcs games, but teams like Utah and Boise State get shafted because they play in small conferences, with either equal or close enough talent to the big 10.
It’s just broken. And it annoys me that nothing will change for years.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
not my point
at all…and I’m not sure how you got there…
my point being, there seems to be this swell at the end of the year that USC is really the team playing the best at the end of the season and it’s mostly generated from them beating the crap out of Notre Dame and then a big-10 opponent in a glorified home game.
the years they actually played for the title were deserved….
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by thecubreporter on Jan 8, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
the pac 10 had a down year and still had a good bowl stretch
which admittedly can be put down to matchups and stuff…. but for the BCS to say that OK deserved the title game because they were hotter than Texas but still say that USC’s hot streak doesn’t matter is ridiculous.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
i'll call it
grossman vs buffalo.
since noone was calling orton an mvp candidate.
Fla all the way.
They will win by 10…. Tebow will put up an amazing show tonight.
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You were right about the 10
Amazing show? I’d say pretty good. Take out the two picks and then we could call it amazing :)
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Oh c'mon...
Whilst I have refrained from getting into the Tebow debate you are participating so vehemently in, even with the 2 picks, the kid won that game for the Gators. And I would say, even with the 2 picks, he did an amazing job…
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lol
Give credit to the Gator’s D. They shut down Oklahoma in pretty much all facets.
He willed his way in the football game. He played amazing. How about that?
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He played amazingLY?
“He willed his way?” Just hope No It All doesn’t see that sentence structure.
Zing!
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Imma find you, GeauxBears
lol. I was just about to start making friend cheese curds, so back off!
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Mmmm... cheese curds....
With beer cheese, I presume?
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So, here's the new deal... I changed the rules:
You ain’t gettin’ your peppermint til I get some cheese curds in the mail. I’ll re-fry them when they get here. :)
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You can't change the rules!
I need that peppermint after those cheese curds I just had.
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Florida
I’m a Texas fan, so I hate Oklahoma. There’s a famous phrase about what you can’t spell without OU, but I will refrain from saying it :)
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I don't think I know that phrase...
now I’m curious. Are you going to cut the restraint, or do i need to google?
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Imagine a longer swear word
it starts with a c and ends with an r. And somewhere in between are the letters “o” and “u”
You’ll get it now :)
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Safety
So McGowen started the year at FS for us correct? Are the suits at Halas Hall planning on him coming back? He seems to be of the Mike Brown injury ilk. Anyone got any insight on this?
Look up, stud
WCG said he didn’t feel like putting every single position down minus TE or RB.
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that would require reading
its so much easier to be snarky and sarcastic!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 8, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
Besides
I doubt highly the Bears take a QB at 18 or unless somebody drops in their lap probably not even the first day.
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And more teams in the top 5
have more pressing QB needs than us. Bradford and Stafford will be long gone.
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What are the chances Detriot takes Crabtree?
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 9, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
I read a report where
some “insider” said the Lions would absolutely not be taking a QB at #1.
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I would hope so
They should be trading it for mulitple picks to fix that defense and get some O line help. That was me being facetious hoping they’d take Tebow.
I did look up
but he must have felt that
Wide Receiver
Defensive End
Offensive Line
Quarterback
were THE biggest needs.
I also disagree with Defensive End. We have really good Defensive Ends but we have really bad Defensive Tackles (I know we have Tommie Harris, but he isn’t the same after he got paid). Three Years ago when Tommie was getting Double Teamed our Defensive Ends were getting sacks like a grocery store on Mondays and our linebackers had gaps for blitzes.
think about it DTs: Marcus Harrison (who I like), Dusty, Adams, Harris, Idonije
DEs: Alex Brown, Ogun, Anderson
The four greatest positions of need in my opinion
Safety (draft in the first or second round even if Mike Brown stays, Kevin Payne is good though)
Defensive Tackle (draft)
Wide Reciever (hopefully through free agency and under 30)
Offensive Guard (to help out the running game, does Jordon Gross sound good?)
fyi
Hassellback staying in Seattle
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No to Vince Young
I don’t mind exploring some QB options, but didn’t we have the Vince Young of running backs in Cedric Benson?
I’d also shy away from Brennan unless we know that he can achieve some level of success when the temperature drops below 50. (Not that many of our current QBs have been tremendously successful in that regard, but you know what I mean.)
by Dave in the basement on Jan 9, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions
I heard....
That beanie wells will slip till the late second round so if you ask me the bears might be smart taking someone like oher or ebon britton to play right tackle and taking wells with the two and patrick chung the FS from Oregon in the third and a pass rusher/ tall reciever in the fourth/ fifth and depth for the rest and also maybe signing housh if possible because we will once again come in 25 mil or so under cap.
Actually
that’s a very intriguing thought. I mean, if he were to fall that far, I would definitely not oppose taking him. I know we have many more pressing needs, but rarely do you get the opportunity to draft top five talent in the second round.
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Went to a public school in California… What I meant was that wells if he slips is very enticing in the Williams Stewart sort of way. With him and a housh reciever, given that angelo is good with defense in the late rounds (Briggs was a fourth round, brown a third so was vash) we could be in good shape. The line would be 1st round pick right tackle garza at right guard, kruetz at C, winner of st clair, buenning, beekman, metcalf at left guard and Williams at left tackle with quality depth in st clair, tait and buenning. We will get something at DE in the draft as well.
Beanie Wells is good
but considering you can get a good or better running back anywhere, I don’t like taking a back whos had a lot of mileage in college.
I’d rather see us invest in the trenches. Especially at guard. The Giants have such a great running game in part because Jacobs is a beast, but their guards are young and really quick. Beekman showed promise but Garza isn’t getting younger.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jan 10, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
beanie wells...
… is good in college.
but i think that he is slower than most of the bears’ offensive linemen.
i see no reason why the bears would want to waste a pick on a very slow running back when they have much bigger needs elsewhere.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 12, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
actually...
… just ignore the slow comment. i was thinking of pj hill for some reason.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 12, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree
I think that wells is a great back… He fits the type of players that the bears need a tough nosed swift back like Thomas jones was. If you consider my first round as well, alot of our issues would be fixed. You could move buenning to right guard and let beekman or st clair battle for left guard and beekman could also play center. Our line has a few of the pieces in place already and we they can be very good with a little tenacity . Or they could sign an established tackle like vernon Carey or give up a third round for jhari evans the guard for NO to fill the gaps but I think that a change of pace is more important than most people think because forte can’t handle that many touches for many seasons.
I realize you're probably new here,
so if you’re replying to someone, hit “reply” and then it’ll drop it down for ya.
I hope your draft pans out, but a lot of things have to fall into place for us to pull that off. I do like the idea of Beanie Wells, even though Forte is absolutely fine.
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