Tebow to da Bears?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 8, 2009 11:10 PM CST
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What do you think about the Bears picking up Tim Tebow? I respect the guys heart and talent and I think he could be a pro bowl caliber QB. Not to mention, a QB that can scramble and already has a good arm could open up the playbook a bit more for the Bears. We have pressing needs at early rounds (DE, OT, S, LB) and if Tebow falls after a good pick or two I don't see why not. Talk amongst yourselves.
P.S. - PICK UP A WR IN FA!!!! WAKE UP ANGELO!!! I'd rather see Orton next year with a good free agent like Boldin or Housh than a new QB starting anyway.
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by Adam T on Jan 8, 2009 11:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh no....
Not another cross-thread argument between big and No it all.
If anything, the national championship game solidified the fact that he’s not ready for the pros. Running out of the option allows him to throw. Anyone see his pick to the FS? God Almighty, he practically stared down the WR. The FS just swooped in from ten yards away and picked it.
He is a great kid and a great individual; a very high-quality person. BUT, he is not our QB of the future and he is not an NFL QB.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 8, 2009 11:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ya and that pass wasnt throw where it should have been either.
Speaking of safeties…that hit the flordia safety made right at the start of the game was a thing of beauty.
As for Tebow I’d take a flier on him later on, but someone will probably do something stupid too early. I’m sure Lovie and his expert staff can move him around to 4 or 5 positions and talk about his potential a lot.
by reprisal on Jan 9, 2009 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting a flashback....
to Danieal Manning when he was drafted.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm... for the record:
Oklahoma safety (and dirty SOB): Nic Harris
Florida safety that delivered huge hit (his specialty): Major Wright
I can hear the clock ticking and my heart beating. I can see individual pixels of the TV picture. I can hear the caution in the opponent's voice. I can smell the fear in the sweat of the opponent's fans. I can taste... THE CHAMPIONSHIP. I AM IN CHAMPIONSHIP MODE.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 9, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Harris was dirty
On the other hand, what do you expect from Small Game Bob?
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stared down the WR
that sounds familiar.
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by Adam T on Jan 9, 2009 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1st pick
the 1st pick was bad! stared down the wr yadda yadda but the wr needs to come the ball a little bit… just sayin
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The first pick was Tebow being stupid and underestimating the Oklahoma DB's.
They’re bad, but not THAT bad. And the second one looked more like he didn’t see the two DLinemen drop back. He at least went for the tackle after the pick though, helping execute a perfect pratical joke style forced trip.
I can hear the clock ticking and my heart beating. I can see individual pixels of the TV picture. I can hear the caution in the opponent's voice. I can smell the fear in the sweat of the opponent's fans. I can taste... THE CHAMPIONSHIP. I AM IN CHAMPIONSHIP MODE.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 9, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hehe
I think he could be a pro bowl caliber QB.
Wow.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 8, 2009 11:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol
Not a fan of Tebow, huh big?
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually...
… i think that he is a helluva’ college quarterback, and may go down as one of the best college football players of all time, especially if he comes back to Florida next year.
I just don’t think that he will be a successful NFL QB.
And I honestly have no idea how people could have watched the game tonight and come out thinking that Tebow will be a decent/good/great NFL quarterback.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 9, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Like we said earlier, he’s one of those awesome college QB’s that just won’t translate into the pros.
If anything, I feel more sure about not getting Tebow than ever before after tonight’s game. He’s not even close to an NFL QB.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin
isnt a free agent son!
I’d rather see Orton next year with a good free agent like Boldin
by DaNate23 on Jan 9, 2009 12:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
a highly regarded quarterback from university of Florida!!!!!!
sign me up
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by SamuraiMike50 on Jan 9, 2009 12:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i didn't see Immanuel Kant's comment before i wrote mine
although i don’t like the thread ploshsausage.ditka.bears might be the best name on WCG
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It is good
but my favorite SBN handle has got the be “El Duque’s Raft” over on SSS
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by torch on Jan 9, 2009 6:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow
What exactly did you see from Tebow that leads you to believe he’ll be a pro bowl QB? I saw a QB who couldn’t manage the game with his arm, but with his feet. There’s no denying Tebow is a monster at running the ball as a QB at the college level. But the guy is not an NFL QB. No team uses the QB the way he plays. It’s one thing to drop back, go through your reads, then take off. He doesn’t even go through his reads. He just runs. He’d be real good if the Bears were a Rugby team. Anybody remember Tommie Frazier? Tebow’s Frazier part 2.
by McRipper on Jan 9, 2009 9:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tebow would be a good 6th or 7th round pick
if he comes out this year, he would be worth a low pick, let him run the practice squad and see if you can develop him. He is a good leader who isn’t very good at making more than 1 read. Picking him higher than round 5 would be really dumb.
Tommy Frazier is a good comparison. He’s a 3rd-world-country-dirt-poor version of Vince Young. Minus the crazy.
by Subotai on Jan 9, 2009 10:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol
I remember you subotai… Adam Archuletta, right?
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
neither one of them looked great
i didn’t think.
by mike b on Jan 9, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
This whole narrative of Tebow is so great (fact), but “I don’t think he is going to succeed in the NFL” (opinion) is lame. Maybe you are right and his success won’t carry over, but most of the anti tebow rhetoric is not based on fact or performance, but is based on doubt and uncertainty because the NFL has never seen a qb like tebow.
his 10-15 yard runs are nice, but it is his presence inside and out of the pocket and ability to break tackles buying WRs valuable extra seconds will make him extremely dangerous especially in play action and maybe even the wildcat/cajun with hester/forte.
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 11:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
skills are a good thing
the general impression i get is people see Tebow’s mobility as a negative at the NFL level. As if his skills are going to get him into trouble. Maybe to some extent it makes him more likely to take hits from bigger guys, but it is easier to teach an athletic qb like tebow to stay in the pocket and use his athleticism and size more sparingly to avoid injury/TOs , than it is to teach a qb like orton how to run faster.
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute
because the NFL has never seen a qb like tebow.
Vince Young, anyone? Oh, that’s not a good comparison. Vince runs faster than Tebow.
How can we base Tebow’s NFL performance on facts? If we could, why does Mel Kiper Jr. still have a job? The point is: No one can quantitatively predict a rookie’s performance and/or life in the NFL. If they could, Lovie and Jerry wouldn’t look like idiots on draft day.
It is my opinion (which is backed up by past experience) that Tim Tebow will not be a starting NFL QB. Chris Leak: Great college QB, couldn’t make it in the pros. Troy Smith? Heisman winner; couldn’t beat out Joe Flacco. Jason White? —I’m hearing crickets—-
A lot of Tebow’s success has come through the ground, and that’s great. The only reason Texas won the national championship was because Vince could run like a damn deer. He could check down, and if no one was open, just take off. Vince used his agility to avoid tacklers. Tebow has little agility. He’s a bruiser more than a runner.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
weak
vince young comparison to tebow is weak. comparisons to Leak, Smith, or White are even weaker. Forget that “past experience” nonsense when those are the guys you are trotting out.
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
and, on top of that, you still haven’t answered:
How can we base Tebow’s NFL performance on facts? If we could, why does Mel Kiper Jr. still have a job? The point is: No one can quantitatively predict a rookie’s performance and/or life in the NFL. If they could, Lovie and Jerry wouldn’t look like idiots on draft day.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its a rhetorical question
u ask a rhetorical question, point out how your question is rhetorical and then u ask me why i haven’t responded… umm the short of it is that polish sausage summed it up when he said “Nobody anywhere knows who will and who will not be a good NFL QB”. That includes mel kiper, sorry chifan. I do not know for sure that tebow will be a successful qb in the nfl, people don’t realize that similar if not the same uncertainty applies to assertions that he will not be successful. All I have seen is him succeed and with failure so noticeably absent i think this kid will continue to succeed. Acknowledging that he has been very successful and has not yet faltered others are still determined to assert that he will fail. If i can’t prove he’s gonna be good, then the opposite is true and his impending failure cannot be predicted. Obviously and Irregardlessly i’m right and you are wrong tho.
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Christ, this is gonna take forever with you
Obviously and Irregardlessly i’m right and you are wrong tho.
Irregardless is not a word.
All I have seen is him succeed and with failure so noticeably absent i think this kid will continue to succeed.
WTF. Stupid argument. Vince Young went 13-0 as Texas QB during the 2005 campaign. What’s your point?
Acknowledging that he has been very successful and has not yet faltered others are still determined to assert that he will fail.
No, he definitely has faltered. He lost to Ole Miss.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zing!
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Irregardlessly
if you were not able to grasp that I was facetiously misspelling the word than more is being lost on you than i can concern myself with right now…
dumber argument is “Vince Young went 13-0 as Texas QB during the 2005 campaign” and isn’t starting in the NFL… so neither will Tebow. In fact WTF, your logic looks retarded compared to mine.
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Than more is being lost...?"
ChiFan’s gonna jump all over that one.
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's simple
You’ve been presented with the argument that Tebow will not be a good QB in the NFL. You’ve been shown how similar QBs went on to be busts in the NFL, you’ve been shown that he doesn’t have prototypical tools to succeed at the pro level. Your agrument is that he’s the best. He’s so good that there hasn’t been anybody like him ever. Yet you’ve brought nothing to the argument to support your statements other than his college career and your opinion.
The reason we’ve compared him to other QBs is because they can boast the same credentials. Heismans, National Championships, stats, etc. and have done nothing in the NFL. Where is your proof to support that he will succeed in the NFL?
by McRipper on Jan 9, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
duh
all i have to work with are his college career and my opinion… got me.
I have no PROOF he will succeed in the NFL! got me again!. The absence of proof or evidence does not mean that such proof/evidence, and the material fact that it supports, does not exist, or is not true.
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So basically
you’re completely full of shit? You like to pretend what you’re talking about actually makes sense. You like to argue with people and provide ZERO evidence that what you are saying is actually true and then when they call you out on it, you spout off some hypothetical nonsense that gives you even less credibitlity? I think you need to change your name.
by McRipper on Jan 9, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I lol'd.
Potty mouth.
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Don’t start GeauxBears, that one was necessary.
by McRipper on Jan 9, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you did say what many of us have been thinking...
So I reckon you get a freebie!
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A+ on both of you
As soon as I saw your comment, my first thought was “Oh no….now McRipper and Geaux are gonna go at it….”
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Nah, no beef with GeauxBears. I don’t have any beef with No It All either, just want to know why he thinks being good in college means he’ll be good in the pros. When history has proven that college success rarely means NFL success.
by McRipper on Jan 9, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can guess
Most likely a Florida fan who is still amped about the win last night. Felt the same way about Vince Young after he beat USC…..at least when I sobered up.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well sure
I can understand that. Tebow is a force no question. But it’s one thing to dominate as a running QB in college against inferior competition and then do the same against an NFL defense.
by McRipper on Jan 9, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
And Tebow would learn very quickly not to run in the open field against NFL LB’s. It would not end well, and then who would discover the cure for cancer?
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Nice...
Or save the whales.
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
u dont like Tebow
you’ve seen him play but don’t like Tebow… congratufrigginlations. Sorry i’m not able to change your mind and all, but there is no need to be so sensitive.
If anyone is relying on the hypothetical nonsense it is you.
Future (you)= hypothetical you’re argument is based on his hypotheical poor performance in the future. The basis for your arguments is unfair comparison/extrapolations regarding other failed qbs. Mine is based on past performance = it has actually happened! My belief that past performance will continue is more reasonable than your belief that his historic past performance will now cease because…. i dunno he might get hurt playing pro football, he’s only 6’2!, arm isnt strong enough (neither is yours)? really is that all u got?
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the delay
I had to shake your first sentence off.
First, you say this:
All I have seen is him succeed and with failure so noticeably absent i think this kid will continue to succeed.
I reply with this:
WTF. Stupid argument. Vince Young went 13-0 as Texas QB during the 2005 campaign. What’s your point?
And then you say:
dumber argument is "Vince Young went 13-0 as Texas QB during the 2005 campaign" and isn’t starting in the NFL… so neither will Tebow. In fact WTF, your logic looks retarded compared to mine.
When did I say that VY went 13-0 AND doesn’t start? I never made that jump in logic, did I? That was you. You said that Tebow’s failures were noticeably absent and therefore will succeed. I point out how VY also was perfect. So, you were proven wrong. Again.
Bro, just quit while you’re ahead. I have a feeling McRipper’s just getting started.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I second that motion to dismiss...
but I know it won’t happen.
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
saying that VY went 13-0 alone is a totally irrelevant statement unless you are, which you were, referring to his lack of success in the NFL and then extrapolating his poor NFL career onto Tebow because he too was successful in college.
But since you concede that i’m ahead I will quit.
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best news I've heard all night
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow. wow. wow.
You really are incapable of understand what people are saying.
None of us have said that because certain players with similar qualifications as Tebow have failed, that means Tebow has failed. Let me say that again. NONE OF US have said that.
This is what has happened, and I will say it has simply as possible in the hope that you may actually get it.
1 – You think that Tebow will be a great NFL quarterback.
2 – One of the key reasons you have given is because he has great numbers, a heisman, a bunch of wins, and national championships.
3 – We have pointed out that there are numerous people with VERY similar qualifications.
4 – We have used these examples to say that just because Tebow is successful in college, that does not mean that he will be successful in the NFL.
5 – What we HAVE NOT said is that Tebow will not be successful in the NFL because of his success in college.
6 – What we HAVE said is that Tebow will not be successful because of his abilities, his size, his style of play, etc.
Got it?
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 9, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post, but shouldn't have bothered
Dude, he’s using some of the worst logic I have seen in my life. He’s gonna think he’s right. I mean, he won’t even back up some of his statements, just told us to Google them.
We all know he’s dead wrong, but let him live in his fantasy land. Not worth our time.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 10, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tebow
has about a 30/70 shot at a good NFL Career. I don’t think he’ll flame out of the league, but if anything be a backup for awhile.
Full disclosure, I have no real reason to think that, just a guess from watching the guy. I enjoy watching Tebow play, so I am probably giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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by Adam T on Jan 10, 2009 7:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha
learn what logic is then come see me chump
by No It All on Jan 10, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually back up your statements with facts
then come see me, chump.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 10, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
your mom is a factchump, so go see her cause you are not fit to respond to my posts and i certainly have no intention of seeing you… ever, so stop dreaming.
by No It All on Jan 10, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've actually
started to write several posts that start Tim Tebow is a good football player because ___________. Each time i have stopped because I feel silly doing such a thing. not only have i done so ad naseum over the last several days, but also actually having to list Tebow’s positive traits to justify why i think he is a special (not like you special) player makes me realize that the gap between dumbing down my thoughts so you can comprehend them and your ignorance is way too large for me or anybody else to bridge.
by No It All on Jan 10, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
Each time i have stopped because I feel silly doing such a thing
I always feel silly when I back up what I saw.
not only have i done so ad naseum over the last several days,If I recall, you have given two reasons – 1) he is unique, and we have never seen a player like him, and 2) he has had a lot of success at the college level.
Unfortunately 1 is simply wrong, and we have shown that 2 is simply not a good predictor of NFL success.
akes me realize that the gap between dumbing down my thoughts
LOL. It is pretty clear that you don’t know need to work to hard to dumb down your thoughts.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 11, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
umm...
your mom is a factchump
Seriously? How old are you?
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 11, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
He broke out the “your mom” stuff with me a couple days ago…
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by Dane Noble on Jan 11, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
personally
i was more proud of my new word than i was your mom
by No It All on Jan 11, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honest to God, he has to be 5
I’m done with this guy. I’m losing brain cells attempting to figure out the “logic” and what his argument consists of.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 11, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not a loss of brain cells, just a headache that is the result of trying to reconcile the fact that you’ve been served with your ego.
I totally understand u thinking that attacking my logic is quippy and maybe even gratifying, just as you thought you were asserting your superior intellect by pointing out that irregardlessly isn’t a word, but your logic and reasoning is simply not sound as i point out via if, then statements below.
by No It All on Jan 11, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
- and #2 are are logically stronger then #3, #4 and #6. sorry ,cry all you want but they are, that simple, game ova. look at some of the posts i wrote about how i focus on actual performance while the basis for your argument are hypothetical future play and unfair comparisons. Clearly logic is lost on you
- is just lame tho… abilities (too many or too few because I can’t see how an excess of abilities is anything but positive), size (6’2 240 runs a 4.5 40 ha what puss), style of play (totally a hypothetical argument based on him getting hurt ( i can only assume at this point) in hypothetical games, schemes and plays). the only reason your argument has breath in it is because i humbly cannot predict the future (even tho you seem deluded enough to predict what will not happen with less reasoning)
by No It All on Jan 10, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I've got an idea...
You have stated your opinion on Tebow. Most everyone on this blog has said, “We like Tebow too, just not real sure about his success in the NFL.” You have taken that, and tried to cram your opinion down the throats of many since then, really trying to force feed your opinion and have everyone agree with you.
It ain’t gonna happen!
The beauty of this blog, is that everyone can have an opionion… and many times, one person’s opinion is different from EVERYBODY else’s… and that’s okay.
But, maybe everyone should just agree to disagree… and considering you feel so strongly about Tim Tebow, and you really believe he will be a force to be reckoned with in the NFL, then just let Tebow prove everybody else wrong.
But seriously… you only damage your credibility when you bring out the “your mom” ststements… you are going to make it to where no one on this blog listens to you about anything…
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by Dane Noble on Jan 11, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
alas we return to your mom
I use mom jokes or the like because they are on the face not serious and I am not trying to offend or be mean but am simply trying to insert my levity into your mom, sorry i meant into the discussion. Your mom is like a default to keep me from saying mean/inappropriate things because somehow somewhere mean/inappropriate and funny became mutually exclusive and my attempts at humor would likely offend.
Irregardlessly if “your mom” is the why I lack credibility i can live with it
by No It All on Jan 11, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
and #2 are are logically stronger then #3, #4 and #6
How so?
look at some of the posts i wrote about how i focus on actual performance while the basis for your argument are hypothetical future play and unfair comparisons.Look at previous posts in which several of us have proven that actual college performance, especially in the ways that you mentioned, is not a guarantee, or even a strong indicator, of NFL success.
Clearly logic is lost on youSpouting opinions without facts to make them up, and creating strawman arguments so that you can tear them down, is not using logic.
I can’t see how an excess of abilities is anything but positiveOh look! Making things up again! No one said an “excess of abilities” is a negative, did they?
style of play (totally a hypothetical argument based on him getting hurtIt has little to do with him getting hurt, as much as that style of play has been tried before in the NFL, and has had very little success on a consistent basis.
even tho you seem deluded enough to predict what will not happen with less reasoningHuh? You need to take English 101 right after you take Logic 101.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 11, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
clearly you live in a 1 story building and english is not your 1st language… ok wasnt gonna but lets play logic for dummies… for starters its all about the If _, then ____.
my argument: if the bears draft Tebow and play him at QB, then the Bears qb position will be improved. Maybe not a flawless argument, but (clearly) I’m stickin to it.
its ok to disagree, but doing so presents this: If the Bears draft Tebow and play him at QB, then the Bears will be worse off at the QB position. Not only do i think this is crap, but u back it up with the even smellier crap of ….
If Eric Crouch’s (and other losers mentioned) college performance was not a guarantee or a strong indicator of NFL success, then Tebow’s college perfomance is/will not be a strong indicator of success in the NFL. As I pointed out before this line of reasoning/logic is weak, aka false logic.
by No It All on Jan 11, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
History is weak?
Hmm….well, then I don’t know why we wasted half our childhood attending those silly classes.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 11, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I am bringing my shotgun to this thread:
LET THIS GUY HAVE THE LAST WORD, OR I’M GONNA START SHOOTING PEOPLE!
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by Dane Noble on Jan 11, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the history you refer to is not compelling enough to logically PROVE what you want it to.
by No It All on Jan 11, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
How is comparing him to other “Running QBs” a weak argument but telling us that he’s a Heisman winner, national champion, unbelievable stats in college isn’t? Fact is, everyone one of those QBs had similar credentials. Ask them how life in the NFL is.
by McRipper on Jan 9, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
similar
but not the same. Tebow is and is not a lot of things, but he is definitely unique.
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how so.
You keep spouting a bunch of opinions without backing them up. I find it pretty funny that you say that our analysis is not based on fact or performance, when I don’t believe that you backed up one statement that you have made with facts.
WHY will Tim Tebow be a good NFL QB? HOW is he unique? HOW is different than a Vince Young?
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 9, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
google em or check out some of my old posts. i cannot rewrite the wheel in every post.
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean reinvent?
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zing!
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
umm
even if you do think you are the grammar/prose/literary license police you’re barking up the wrong tree dog
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
That would be “Dawg” in this situation.
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you?
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
in other words...
… you are full of shit, and don’t want to back your statements with facts that are relevant.
awesome.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 9, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
tebow isnt any good. if you have seen the guy play, turned on ESPN, read a newspaper, or been on the internet in the last 2 years, then you should realize tebow has some unique qualities. If you need me to point those out because you are so obtuse then you should just give up and throw your computer out a window right now.
by No It All on Jan 10, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
tebow isnt any good.
I have NEVER said that Tim Tebow wasn’t any good. In fact, up above I called him a “helluva” player. I just don’t think (and nor do many, many other people) that he will be a successful NFL quarterback.
But go ahead and keep creating strawman arguments, because you obviously can’t support anything you actually say, and you obviously can’t argue against anything that we actually say.
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by big_lowitzki on Jan 11, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For the Record.
This was just a thought of mine. I’m not endorsing that I would necessarily want Tebow without a doubt, I was just throwing around the idea seeing what everybody thought and now I know. Knowing that Lovie’s system revolves around a dominant defense with an offense that can just move the chains wouldn’t call for a superstar QB, even though I do not approve of Lovie Smith. Like I said…just a thought, this is a blog.
Nobody anywhere knows who will and who will not be a good NFL QB.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 9, 2009 1:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I do.
Ryan Perilloux will be. And I hope the Bears pick him up in the 3rd or 4th round in 2 years…
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he can actually stay with a football program, maybe
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been keeping tabs on him...
Sounds like he is growing up. Just like a lot of young kids that have more talent than sense… hopefully he gotten it all out of his system, and will focus on football. Ryan has more pure athletic ability than any QB I have ever seen… he will blow people’s minds at the first combine he attends. I’m sure there are some crazy youtube videos out there on him… but I haven’t looked.
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Perrilloux
I’m a Texas fan, so I’ve hated him every since he decommitted.
And Vince Young had more athletic ability than Perrilloux.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol...
Being a Texas fan, you probably hate a lot of things. But no way, NO WAY is Vince Young more talented that Perilloux. Vince has more heart, and more fundimentals maybe, but Perilloux is still very immature. As I said, he seems to be growing up, but right now who knows.
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, you said athletic ability
Vince has more of that. Dude’s just a freak of nature.
Perrilloux is young, I’ll give you that. He may grow up and be a star QB….I have no idea.
And boo on you, sir, for saying I hate a lot of things. Just Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Mike Leach, and Ryan Perrilloux.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Michael Crabtree?
Dang, maybe I shouldn’t post this right now… open wound undoubtedly still bleeds.
Awe screw it… For all those times I’ve seen someone wearing a “F**k You I’m From Texas” shirt…
MICHAELCRABTREEMICHAELCRABTREEMICHAELCRABTREE.
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's ok
We deserved to lose that game. We played like crap in the 1st half, and should have won if our freshman FS catches an easy pick before the Crabtree catch.
But, since you rubbed salt in a wound, how was LSU this year? :)
Still <3 ya GeauxBears
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering we had 3 true freshmen QB's to choose from,
And our first year under a new Defensive Coordinator, we hung in there. Jordan Jefferson will go crazy on some folks next year, and after the smackdown on Georgia Tech in the Peach (er, I mean Chik Fil A) Bowl, I have no doubt we will return to supremacy next year!
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for making this an interesting post! Insightful and hilarious.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 9, 2009 4:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Welcome, young fella
May all of your posts be as divisive as this one.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tuff
with the Bears surviving as long as they have on “toughness” to sell tickets (certainly not success) a qb that brings tough like tebow would fit well with the bears.
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 5:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jeesus H. Christ
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just adding a general point. Bears and Tebow both have toughness going for’em
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If tebow is still availiable
I can’t see the bears passing up on him if he is still there at 17 or 18. Tebow has Bear Football written all over him. Believe me, if he is there we will take him but first let’s see if he enters the draft.
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by Haightminow on Jan 9, 2009 5:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stop logging out as No It All
And logging back in under another name… lol.
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Going to Lions at #1
Thats what Lou Holtz says he would do …
went looking for a link to his recent comments on ESPN, couldn’t find’em. Found this tho… Holtz’ comments at about the 3:15 mark are the most relevant.
http://www.fandome.com/video/105030/Lou-Holtz-is-Crazy-For-His-Man-Crush-Tim-Tebow/
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 5:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lou Holtz
can barely remember to take his Cialis every day.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 9, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take your word for it...
sure sounds like a pain (or lack there of) in your ass…
by No It All on Jan 9, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Top 5
I just cannot imagine many teams passing on Tebow weather they need him or not. He is going to go quickly. I say top 5, 10 max.
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by Haightminow on Jan 9, 2009 5:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's just a damn shame...
This is the Chicago tough guy QB we need!! Unless, he stays at Florida one more year and we lose every game in ’09. We could be in business.
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by Haightminow on Jan 9, 2009 6:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You two are made for each other...
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by Dane Noble on Jan 9, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tebow is getting desperate
when asked if he’d be willing to play fullback in the NFL, he said it was his goal to stay a QB, but he’d do anything they asked him.
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by Adam T on Jan 10, 2009 7:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
hmm
sounds like a guy just saying the right thing… i can’t picture him saying i’d rather coach PE than play football at any other position.
by No It All on Jan 10, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Theres no doubt
in the event that Tebow did translate his game to the NFL, Chi town would be one bad ass place for him to do it. He’s just an even bigger gamble than usual(especially with Bears coaches trying to teach him and fix his mechanics, etc).
by reprisal on Jan 10, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's staying, BTW.
He announced it today. So, on to the next prospect.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 11, 2009 2:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Best news I've heard all day.
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 11, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tim tebow will not be a good nfl quarterback
no ncaa quarterback who has ever won a national championship or a hesiman has ever completed a single pass in the nfl.
tim tebow is going to get arrested for tapping his foot in a bathroom stall while making dogs fight and shooting himself in the leg at a strip club where he instigates a fight.
and he sucks.
by mike b on Jan 11, 2009 2:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Look mike b
Some of us need to be doing a little bit of research before we start flapping at the gums. Here’s two quick ones for ya, with out even having to think about it: Matt Leinart has a heisman trophy and he’s completed passes in the NFL, and Vince Young has a National Championship and has completed passes.
Maybe OU will have a better season next year, once Tim Tebow is in the NFL, as you are obviously an OU fan. A little butt hurt, huh?
by 3ndOutBears55 on Jan 11, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Easy, bud. Mike was joking….and obviously, you didn’t catch it.
tim tebow is going to get arrested for tapping his foot in a bathroom stall while making dogs fight and shooting himself in the leg at a strip club where he instigates a fight.
How did you not get that?
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by ChiFan13 on Jan 11, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So either way
I can no longer garner anymore traffic out of Tebow threads, until next year. Bummer.
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by Adam T on Jan 12, 2009 8:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just read
all the above threads and I have to say I feel like I showed up to the OK corral late with no gun, damn… great post above mike b. Hilarious.
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by Ditkavsworld on Jan 12, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tell me it's not over, let's continue!
C’mon guys, the Chicago Bears, Monsters of the Midway, City of Broad Shoulders, Blue Collar, NFC North the Black and Blue division right? Were tough guys right? Tim Tebow, the second coming of Bronko Nagurski in the form of a QB. How can we resist? We have never been an air it out passing attack team anyway and we probably never will. Wouldn’t Tim Tebow be just what the bears need? The guy is cut from the same thread of cloth as us. Talk about a power running game! Matt Forte, Brandon Jacobs and Tebow baby!
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by Haightminow on Jan 12, 2009 2:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
HAHA! Great Joke!
Look, guys, I got the “joke.” I see that you four and I have very different senses of humor. Yours happen to be immature and rude. Laughing at/making jokes about gay people is inconsiderate and really not something I would laugh about, and then have the audacity to confront and heckle one who doesn’t find it funny. What I’m saying is that I’m trying to be civil and you four are getting some sort of sick satisfaction about an online joke and then coming after me.
by 3ndOutBears55 on Jan 12, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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