I appreciate your view, but how’s Robert Ayers working out? Also, Johnny Knox isn’t a bad addition with the 5th the Bears got back. Add all that to the Bears 3-1 record with a very shaky offensive line; I can say with all honesty that the Bears would have a 1-3 record with Kyle under center (Jay has been under constant pressure). There’s a good chance the very immobile Neckbeard would’ve gotten injured by now.

Each team is better with a quarterback that fits into their system better than the other, and instead of the Bears drafting a first round bust, they won’t draft at all in the first round next year. A win-win for both teams :-P

First, let me say I’m a fan of both these players and feel like both teams have done well with the trade. For those people who think the Bears gave up too much, I think you’d have to look at it this way…Cutler was our #1 pick this year and I defy anyone to come up with a player from this year’s draft that would be rated above him…we also received a 5th rounder from Denver that we turned into Johnny Knox, the jury is still out since we’ve only played 4 games, but at this point and if he continues to perform at his current pace, tell me which 1st round WR from this year’s draft or coming from next year that would have a better performance. So the two first rounders we gave away are basically a wash and the argument can be made, if Knox continues to improve, that the Bears got the better of the trade.

Second, I think we have to stop interchanging the terms “passer” and “QB”. Cutler is, without question, the superior passer but, as was pointed out, has never had a winning season in the pros or in college. The nonsense of his poor defense last year doesn’t hold up because when he took over for Plummer, they were a playoff team and on top of that, when making comparisons, the Bears defenses in ‘07 & ’08 were ranked near the bottom of the league as well. Orton has had a winning record at every level he’s played and, ultimately, that’s what the QB’s job is. No QB does it by himself, so he’s done what he’s had to do with the teams he’s been on. That said, he still has not performed in the playoffs and without that, you can’t claim to be a great QB.

So, in my opinion, until the seasons play out and the careers mature, none of us can definitely say who the better QB is until one or both of them get their team to the postseason on a consistent basis.

Obviously, being a Bear Fan, I hope it’s Cutler that accomplishes this but that doesn’t mean I have to want Orton to fail to validate my own team’s success. In the long run, and I’m not comparing either of them to these HOF’ers at this point, but if you ask me if I’d rather have the next Joe Montana with his championship rings or the next Dan Marino with his passing records……I’d say bring on the jewelry.

Yes, I understand that losing a 26 year old, Pro Bowl QB probably made a lot of Broncos fans panic. But now that it is over, we still have so many of you who are so self-conscious and insecure that you feel the need to come to a Bears website and act like you are throwing something in our face?

Gee whiz dude, get over it. And tell all of your friends to get over it too. None of us dislike Orton, and many of us will still root for him. But it is fans like you who feel the need to “prove something” that makes it harder and harder to even look in your direction anymore.

The fact that you even had to write this post tells me everything I need to know. Just wait until all those underthrown passes and tipped passes don’t go in the Broncos favor.

probably new and just here to rankle our feathers. Hands down this trade (for the 1,000th time) was good for us. We got a star player out of the deal and if he continues to mature will lead us to the promised land. We need more pieces to surround him (ahem..Oline??). But look what our receivers look like with someone that can quickly get them the ball even without separation and convert third downs. Did Kyle have a good game sunday? yes, but the scheme is what won that game. Rarely was a throw beyond 10 yrds out 48 attempts. Everything was YAC due to good playcalling and poor tackling and scheme by the PATS. If they would have pressed and blitzed and made him go over the top would have been a different stat line for KO. He was very accurate in his throws but 99% were of the 8-10 yrd variety..

Bearonco, you are not a Bears fan. If you were you would’ve joined WCG first and not MHR. I view this as a way for you to come over and stir the pot. I’d love to talk about something other than Kyle Orton. I have no problem with Kyle other than the fact he went to Purdue. And I love that you referred to Purdue as a football factory. I’ll give you Drew Brees, my question to you is can you name all the other members that the factory is pumping out?? And you can’t say Curtis Painter because all he’s doing is washing Peyton’s Jockstrap. Oh and just so you know the whole basketball on grass thing is retarded. What did Purdue ever win??? Admit that you guys scored a bunch of points and ran up a bunch of yards but still couldn’t win anything of importance because OSU and Michigan were still handing you your ass on a regular.

Your post like stated above is laughable and so self serving I need to go throw up.

to the poster for now joining the ranks of the football retarded.

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So far this looks like a good trade both ways. I am getting sick of fans who want to bash one or the other because they switched teams. As for who “Won” this trade, that won’t be determined for another 2 or 3 years. Either way, if both teams maintain their winning ways, who really cares who “Won” in this trade?

If you say so, but we’ll see if you still think so after all is said and done this season.

It seems that there is an endless supply of Bronco fans who seem to really want to believe that they are not going be burned by losing their 26 year old Pro Bowl QB. After all, the skill set that Jay Cutler has is something special.

That being said, too many Broncos fans are seeking validation… they point to the fact that they are 5-0, and want Bears fans to tell them that it is because of Kyle Orton. They want to hear from us that Cutler has maturity issues, and that Orton is doing fine as a replacement of the talent that they no longer have.

They want Bears fans to make them feel better by telling us “hahaha, we’re doing great without Cutler.”

But here is the thing: you can win with Kyle, but not because of Kyle. In order for a team to have measurable success while Orton is at the helm, they need to be solid in all the rest of the phases of their team. Sure, Orton is a decent QB. But to win with him as the QB, you have to have a great defense, a great OL, good special teams, and a good running game.

If the Broncos can ensure that all other phases of their team is legit, then Orton will be fine. But don’t expect long term success with him if you can’t protect him long term in the other areas. His skills are limited. He needs a complete team.

He saw success as a Bear when he had a great defense around him, not to mention a special teams unit that bailed him out several times. He couldn’t do much on his own.

As a fan of a franchise that has been historically QB deprived, we gladly give up a couple of first round draft picks for a guy with as much talent as Cutler. And if you think about it, the only way in hell Denver would settle for an average QB like Orton would be because they were well compensated for it.

But for the love of Ditka, stop Denver fans. Just stop. Stop looking from validation from us that you are going to be okay. Just cross your fingers and hope that everyone around Orton can carry him. Because you’ll never hear a Bears fan tell you that Orton is capable of carrying a franchise on his back. Because he’s not.

I like Orton a lot….. but he doesn’t have the Physical tool to tie Jay’s shoelaces. So far it looks like he doesn’t need them. Jay Does have the tools… and from the viewpoint of someone who is only just calmed down enough not to hate Jay… it would appear that he is starting to play a little more like Orton. That is a frightening thought… thank god he isn’t in our division or conference!

Who would have thought that nearly half way through the season the Cutler for Orton trade would be a much more sensitive topic for Bears fans than it is for Broncos fans? huh?

have moved beyond this. We’re happy with Orton; you’re happy with Cutler. Sounds like win/win to me. Let the new guy say his piece. That’s the real glory of these forums.

Good luck, Bears! and wish us luck tonight.

… Forte wouldn’t say no to a swap either.

Damn…another terrrible coaching staff makes another terrible personell decision. Cutler throwing fits in Denver should have been a tell tale sign that he is not worth the investment. And throwing The Revrend to the wolves??? I think that has more than come back to bite them. Bring Ditka back….It’s your only hope.

Excuse me, but KO doesn’t give a rats arse about what people who blog about a team he doesn’t even play for say about him.

His team is winning, and he is personally doing very well. Come over to MHR and we can have a laugh about Huckdort if you want, but this isn’t the place for it.

If it’s true that trading away their future for Cutler was a huge mistake, Bears fans will find out for themselves, and nobody’s going to send you a fruit basket for being right.

I think you are right. But while your post would be a well-written and insightful contribution to MHR, posting it here just amounts to condescending self-gratification.

While definitive and irrefutable proof as to why Orton is superior to Cutler, and why Bears fans are fools to believe otherwise is already posted here.

…. most Bears fans are happy with Cutler and
     most Broncos fans are happy with Orton.