Breaking news - Gaines Adams coming to chicago

i like the trade a lot

2nd round pick is a little much … but if Rod can work his magic on Adams, then it should be a fairly good trade

COOL BEANS!

by lexmarklover on Oct 16, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i agree second is WAYYYY too much

he adds alot of depth though i think this moves means o gun will walk at the end of the year

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 16, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Bears probably asked this question: Would they be able to get more at the end/latter third of the 2nd round? Most likely not. Good trade cause he helps them immediately, whereas a draft pick next year does not. Look no further than the SB champion Giants from a couple years ago on what an influx of speed rushers can do for your defense. Everyone wants an improved secondary by bringing in better players, but this is the best way to help their performance.

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by propheteer on Oct 17, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 17, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed to the agreement

by Sonicbob on Oct 17, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like this, assuming Rod can get in his head.

Monte Kiffin was absolutely giddy over getting to draft him. The problems with him so far have supposedly been effort related as well as a new system this year. He’s back in a Tampa 2 that he’s familiar with, so hopefully Marinelli will be able to get through to him.

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by JerBear50 on Oct 17, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like the move, I think....

I think that Adams could be an absolute beast in the right situation. The fact that we have Marinelli may just make this the right situation. I am not sure where he fits in at this juncture in the season, but I guess we will find out soon enough.

What has happened to our Jerry Angelo. This new Angelo is trading draft picks like the one we are used to never would. I like the willingness to make something happen though.

by sheepskinz1 on Oct 16, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

is another DE

really what we need? Seems like there are other areas that we have a greater need.

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by DC Cubbie on Oct 16, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

LIKE WIDE RECEIVER!!!!

i love this place. Jerry Angelo must be the dumbest person in the world.

look, i think gms make bad moves all the time, but there is no question that JA, Lovie and Rod wanted this for a reason. this isn’t some bad draft pick.

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by tempchad on Oct 16, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would've sent this pick and a little more for Edwards.

I dont mean to rehash that old thread, but I’d rather have him than Gaines Adams
.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 16, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We Know We Know

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Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Oct 16, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dude

Jerry Rice is not walking through that door, dude. Michael Irvin is not walking through that door, and Chris Carter is not walking through that door. And if you expect them to walk through that door, they’re going to be gray and old. What we are is young, exciting, hard-working, and we’re going to improve. People don’t realize that, and as soon as they realize those three guys are not coming through that door, the better this blog will be for all of us because there are young guys in that room playing their asses off.

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by tempchad on Oct 16, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i will concede

that a 2nd rounder for Edwards… would have been worth it. But i think the Gaines move should work out well.
Less money for the bears, for a younger “1st round talent”
and he’s the typical player lovie goes for, in the cover-2 scheme

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by BearNecessities on Oct 16, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it don't think this was an either or situation

i was kidding with dakoose. him and i were very pro-edwards but that is besides the point.

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by tempchad on Oct 16, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

alright

whatever, there is obviously no reasoning with you

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by BearNecessities on Oct 17, 2009 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Funny, tempchad and I see things differently.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 17, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WE DO NOT A RECEIVER!!!!!

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Oct 17, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

They (temp and dakoose) act as if it’s still the offseason and Knox, Hester, and Bennett haven’t made any plays. I’d much rather have Adams for one pick rather than Edwards for two picks and two players. Everyone has already said this team will only go as far as the defense takes them. Having another young, atheltic, fast DE just entering his prime is optimal. It’s not like this guy has been a slouch by any means. 13.5 sacks, 2 Ints, 2 ff, and 10 passes defended.

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by propheteer on Oct 17, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thats unexpected .............

But if you notice Ogunleye Anderson and Idonije all are FAs at the end of the year and Ogunleye will likely get a big contract if he stays course with his sack totals thus far. This is obviously an investment for next season, plus say Anderson and Adawale both left after this year we would have likely drafted a DE anyway, might as well have the proven commodity.

Look at it this way, Carolina gave up a FIRST round pick for Everette Brown a SECOND round pick, we just gave up a second round pick for a first round pick. Its really not that bad of a move, just out of nowhere.

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by ANYTIME09 on Oct 16, 2009 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Idonije is not a FA

Wale and Anderson are.

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by propheteer on Oct 17, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

High Motor DE's all game long

there will never be a tired guy coming off the edge. Who gets cut to make room? Bye Bye Aromashodu?

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by EricEmpire on Oct 16, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Bullocks??

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by ANYTIME09 on Oct 16, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

thats a better guess

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by EricEmpire on Oct 16, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bullocks is expected to be active on Sunday

replacing AP on special teams. The Bears appear to only have 2 active RBs on Sunday, even though Kharim Bell is traveling with them.

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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see DA going anywhere.

My guess would be either Toeaina, Shaw or McClover.

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by smudgers on Oct 16, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it wont happen but.

maybe rashied will get cut!

by GtM on Oct 16, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

One can only dream.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 16, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Umm...then you lose a really good ST player

Yeah…good luck with that.

by jake1823 on Oct 16, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure the luck will be

toub seems pretty good at finding scrubs that are good st players. we lost brendon ayenbadabadyajeo (sp) and davis turns it up, im sure when we cut him someone else will for him too

by GtM on Oct 16, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why take that chance?

Not many on the coverage team has stood like Davis has. I’d rather keep the guy.

by jake1823 on Oct 16, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Davis is not Ayanbedejo!

Not even close. I’m all for keeping him since he’s performed well on ST’s, but he is not even close to BA! His loss still stings.

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by smudgers on Oct 17, 2009 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

only time can tell if this was a good deal now we don’t have a first or a second round draft for next year. I am kinda worried.

by Man G on Oct 16, 2009 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

with so many high profile qb's

coming in this next draft i was hoping a 1st round DB or WR might fall to the 2nd round, but hey why worry, pass me some bearade Gaines Adams 4 MVP!!

by GtM on Oct 16, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Moreso,

with the new CBA coming into effect after next year’s draft, there’s supposed to be a ton of talent in the coming draft, which makes this move even more puzzling.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 16, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Very interesting

I just read this and decided I would come here to see what you guys are saying about it. Don’t you guys already have Brown, Ogunleye, and Anderson who are all more then capable pass rushers? What do you think this means for all their playing time? Will either Brown or Ogunleye (who I believe are the two starters?) be benched in favor of Adams?

by packallday555 on Oct 16, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This could be a move for the future.

’Wale and Anderson are UFA after this year, and I only expect the latter to be retained.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 16, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

probably share

rotational time with the ever underperforming Mark Anderson

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by BearNecessities on Oct 16, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my only concern

is us gutting our draft for 2 straight years and does this mean the staff isn’t confident in gilbert or melton developing?

plus, how many years does adams have left on his rookie contract? it’s probably a little pricey too, considering he was the no. 4 overall pick. would like to see the contract numbers and how many years he has left.

by Nih1lus on Oct 16, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he had a 5 year i think

he’s due about a million every year, it’s out there, i just dont have the link

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by BearNecessities on Oct 16, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the bears got a first round pick for a second round pick

and they are under the cap. if they can make this guy do what they think he can do, it’s a freaking steal.

draft picks are nothing but potential.

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by tempchad on Oct 16, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The article I read on this deal

said Marinelli has been infatuated with Adams for years. Hopefully he can turn him into a legit d-end.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 16, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

its a steal - IF this kid isn't a bust

don’t know much about him, other than he was highly touted coming out of college and got picked really high. if he’s a legit starter, than yeah, this is an absolute steal – and i understand he might not actually start here, given wale’s season and brown’s effectiveness against the pass and rush. you give up a 2nd for a starting DE who’s young, but has 2 years experience…no brainer. if he’s not a starter, though, this is a bad deal. anybody know how he’s played with the bucs?

by guy incognito on Oct 16, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he didn't exactly light the world on fire

13 sacks in 36 career games

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by tempchad on Oct 16, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's what i'm saying

admittedly, stats don’t tell the whole story – and maybe rod and lovie can get the best out of him – but if he’s not starter-level, this is a bad trade. if he is, its a great trade.

by guy incognito on Oct 16, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

heres the thing your right he isnt lighting it on fire....

but he hasnt been awful either.
6 sacks two years in a row is average but i think in the bears d he will excel the line is reminding me a bit of 06 when we had soo much depth on the d line and created havoc we cant jude this trade right away because adams is thrown in right away and doesnt have a chance to get to learn the system. i agree that picks are potential and i mean cmon weve drafted dan bazuin in the first round(never played a snap i beleive) dirty dusty mark bradley so if he works out great i dont like trading draft picks though

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 16, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and he had

a nice TD last year against the Bears. Picked off Orton then beat him (and Forte) to the end zone. I remember they reviewed it for while to see if he got it.

by Cosmis on Oct 16, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

10 passes defended and 2 Ints

This guy is an absolute freak of an athlete. DEs take awhile to develop, and Rod is the right coach to make this guy a great player.

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by propheteer on Oct 17, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not exactly gutting your draft... if the trades work out well for you.

Generally, in an entire 7 round draft, you’re lucky if 3 picks make your team. I don’t mind trading picks for good players.

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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree..

We should be comparing him to the kind of 21yr old DE we could be getting from a second round pick next year!

by Mathias-K on Oct 17, 2009 4:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what i like is he doesnt have a burden on him

he no longer has to be the gamechanger he can go out and play relaxed and let it hang and i think he ends the season with 7 sacks in a bears uniform
my mistake earlier i meant to say dan bazuin in the SECOND

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 17, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Angelo would have traded back anyway, so it wouldn't have been a 2nd round pick

It seems like adding to a strength, but the NFL is won on the lines, and Gaines sures up a questionable future with our defensive line. The Bowe/Braylon may have been a more fantasy friendly additon, but I doubt at the end of the year we will dislike this trade.

Personally I think the corner position is what is truly needed, but I’m not sure how easy they are to acquire. Hopefully Angelo throws all his cards on the table and signs Chris McAlister for CB and Ryan Torain for RB, as I’m not sure if Angelo or Lovie will be around for these draft picks anyway if their gambles don’t work out.

by Casimir Effect on Oct 16, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

So I wonder if Adewale is going to be resigned after this move.

I would have much so preferred they pick up a DB, but I’ll take it. I’m sick of people saying we need a WR, I’d rather have three+ quality WRs than one game-changer. Somebody did an article showing the Super Bowl champions from the last 10 years, and very few have had top 10 WRs. Tom Brady won three times on teams whose best receiver was Troy Brown.

It’s not a necessity to have a Terrell Owens or Randy Moss or Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald or Anquan Boldin or Wes Welker or Chad Ochocinco or TJ Whoseyamomma or Braylon Edwards or Dwayne Bowe or Donald Driver or Greg Jennings or Steve Smith. Somebody want to tell me how many Super Bowl rings those guys collectively have? I’ll save you the time and tell you the answer is zero.

by dkguy55 on Oct 16, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, actually,

Moss, Welker, Fitzy and Boldin have rings.

Just not winnners rings.

by jbeks on Oct 16, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol @ welker

I love that a glorified slot receiver was just listed with some of the best receivers of our generation

by lopey986 on Oct 16, 2009 9:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

i was going to let it go

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 16, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just listing decent WRs around the league

I’d never list Bowe or Hoosh or Welker as the “best of our generation” lol

by dkguy55 on Oct 16, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wrong Side of the Line

Our d-line has been excelling
we need an offensive lineman

by DaHamsta on Oct 16, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No... either side need an addition.

Anytime you can get better on your line… you do it.

And, 3 of our DEs are entering free agency: O-Gun, Anderson, and Idonije.

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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha, sounds like Lovie

“Anytime you….”

by Mathias-K on Oct 17, 2009 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Idonije signed a 2-year extension earlier this year.

LINK’ers

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by smudgers on Oct 17, 2009 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

D-line

Angelo is setting it up for the present and future. With Anderson, Brown, Harrison, Adams (x2), Gilbert, and Melton he’s rebuilt it while staying competitive at the same time.

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by propheteer on Oct 17, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well I guess Walley is gone?

I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!

by SoulEater7 on Oct 16, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

NOW THAT'S SOME CRAZY STUFF RIGHT THURR, KINFOLK!!!

Let me just this right DAMN NOW. As a Chicagoan forced to watch Tampa Bay game because i live in Central Florida, this is going to be the answer to a question I’ve been questioning for nearly three years: what kind of monster could Marinelli turn Gains Adams into?

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by ifuwannacrownem on Oct 16, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Let me just this right DAMN NOW.

Glad you did.

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

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by Dane Noble on Oct 17, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Indeed.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Oct 17, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Remember that?

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by ifuwannacrownem on Oct 16, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

talk about bittersweet

by GtM on Oct 16, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the Bears now have to make room on the 53 man roster

so who goes and how do they go?

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by ifuwannacrownem on Oct 16, 2009 11:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

DA

I think they might be able to trade him to some team in desperate need of a WR

by tommite622 on Oct 16, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

With some of the WR's that are free right now

I doubt we could trade DA….then again, Figurs did get signed.

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by ThorCo on Oct 16, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why would we let DA go? Out of all people, I don’t think he was the last one to make the squad.

by brands735 on Oct 17, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like the Chicago Bears?

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Oct 17, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nah

probably shaw or mcclover. maybe toenia.

by Nih1lus on Oct 16, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My guess is...

…Toenia. Hey, Minnie has the Williams Wall; maybe we start an Adams Wall!

Getcha Beernuts Ready!

by Fly1965 on Oct 17, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

fa sho

i think it makes sense its toenia i mean we add a line man losing one makes sense?

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 17, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You think JA has been watching

benson and orton succeed on other teams, and decided that he can do that too?

by GtM on Oct 16, 2009 11:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

I love the move!!

And am utterly amazed that, no matter what Bears’ Management does, someone will invariably bash it as a bad move. A friend of mine (Cowboy fan) told me, this morning, that he heard that the Bears were about to get T.O.. I told him that I’d rather they get a defensive lineman instead. I’m not pretending to be psychic. In fact, to be honest, I was thinking about Dorsey, since I heard he was on the trading block. My reasoning is simple; an improve pass rush improves the LB’s by preventing opposing o-linemen from muddling them up AND the secondary by hurrying the QB into poor decisions. Also, a D-lineman can start almost immediately. Any other position would take alot of time to break into the mix. Lastly, Adams has shown flashes of a high first-round pick, but has lacked consistency. This move and Marinelli’s reputation AND teaching skills will greatly improve Adams’ confidence. Imagine this guy becoming comparable to Jared Allen! Yeah, I know, I know; he ain’t no Jared Allen. But could he be with the proper instruction and mentoring? For a second round pick? I like the move.

Getcha Beernuts Ready!

by Fly1965 on Oct 17, 2009 12:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Anyone know why he is so old?

He’s in his third year but he’s already 26.

Metal sharpens metal.

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by dakoose on Oct 17, 2009 12:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ok I'm not one to do math in public but I'll do it anyway

Say a person graduates high school at 18 they should be 22 when they grad and enter the NFL. They spend 3 years in the league and are 25 which would make them young.

Now lets say an individual graduated high school at the age of 19 spends 4 years in college and 3 years in the league that would make them 26 which would make them old.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 17, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Turns out

he was a fifth year senior, after redshirting his freshman year.

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by dakoose on Oct 17, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And that would make sense as well.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 17, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

EXCELLENT!

Wow… big, big news. A couple days ago, Hub Arkush said during an interview on 670 The Score, that the Bears were indeed making several inquiries on a possible deal. I was tempted to create a news story on it, but Arkush didn’t name any names. He did, however, hint that we were looking for defense.

My only confusion here is this: why couldn’t this deal have happened two weeks ago, heading into the bye week? That would’ve given Gaines more time to get situated.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 12:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh... and did we discuss Ronde Barber at all?

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gotta love Hub Arkush

by NiqueBears on Oct 17, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ya I heard that as well

but my thinking was secondary not D line….I mean the D line is playing well and the secondary gets burned on occasion…..but eh

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by CloudyFuture on Oct 17, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Any chance

we would be able to deal Ogunleye for a draft pick by the trade deadline? I he has a real good game against the Falcons someone might bite.

by weasel27 on Oct 17, 2009 12:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't maske sense.

1. We want Ogun to contribute to this 2009 team going to the playoffs.
2. If we lose him to free agency, we’ll receive draft pick compensation anyway.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what kind of pick

i dont know his salary or the formula so i was wonderin if u knew

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by Faizamaze on Oct 17, 2009 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

All I know Is

He makes more than me.

by Gesiakob on Oct 17, 2009 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you lose more free agents than you sign, or

you lose a a player graded to be a lose higher-valued player… then you get awarded a pic. It’s not necessarily tied to salary.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

interesting

gotta be the end of wale

would have expected a few other positions first like maybe safety.

i like the aggressive JA of the last year.

by mike b on Oct 17, 2009 1:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

interesting

gotta be the end of wale

would have expected a few other positions first like maybe safety.

i like the aggressive JA of the last year

by mike b on Oct 17, 2009 1:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Marinelli gets his guy... Simeon Rice v02

Marinelli rescued Rice (6’5" 268) out of the Arizona desert, and now he’ll free Adams (6’5" 260) from Buc-land.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yup.

Bye Bye Prince!

I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!

by SoulEater7 on Oct 17, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Could be the end of Wale

Very true,but not necessarily. Anderson and Idonije are also free agents after this year (though with the possibility of an uncapped year wouldn’t anderson be around 1 more year?) so at least one of them won’t be resigned. If Wale continues to produce at such a higher level than anderson, they may be forced to bring Wale back and let anderson go.

by tommite622 on Oct 17, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They will bring back Izzy.

He just does too much for them. I think they’ll bring Anderson back and it’s clear as day they can’t afford Waley.

I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!

by SoulEater7 on Oct 17, 2009 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Idonije is signed through 2011.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/huddleup/2009/05/israel-idonije-agrees-to-twoyear-contract-extension.html

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 17, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i love this guy man idonije means so much to this team

he plays all four line positions plays on special teams hes so versatile we need more football players like him. i hope we look for help in the secondary but then again if you create pressure and the qb is forced to throw it up……….just sayyin

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 17, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Works For Me! The Draft Is A Crapshoot Anyway

Much like some of the posters on this site, lol

by Gesiakob on Oct 17, 2009 2:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

trading wale

I really like that idea we should really consider getting some high picks for him for next year draft.

by Man G on Oct 17, 2009 2:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Why trade him? We're going to get a comp pick for him anyway.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because He's Old

However, anything beyond a 4th rounder for him is a stretch. What is a comp pick these days SackMan? 6th or 7th?

by Gesiakob on Oct 17, 2009 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No.

They start awarding picks at the end of the 3rd round. So, pick #33 of the 3rd round is the first comp pick. The Bears were awarded 3 picks in last April’s draft for losing Bernard Berrian, Brendon Ayanbadejo and John Gilmore. The top pick was #99 in the 3rd round. That pick became Juaquin Iglesias.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And look how far that got us!!

DEs tend to bust, so if Lovie/JA has seen something, then I salute them for making a move!

by Mathias-K on Oct 17, 2009 4:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm you don't think they'd package Waley for TO now?

Nahhhhhh

I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!

by SoulEater7 on Oct 17, 2009 2:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ok never mind I just read Glazer about the Bears having ZERO interest.

I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!

by SoulEater7 on Oct 17, 2009 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We need O-Gun NOW.

We’re trying to win NOW. And putting pressure on the QB is a key to accomplishing that goal. So, that’s half of why we added another DE. The other half: because we have 3 DEs playing in a contract year.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uhhhh...

…“zero interest” scares me. Please tell me they have minus 25 (or less) percent interest. In the NFL, “zero interest” can be deceptive. Seriously, although Cutler and T.O. fist-to-cuffs on the sideline would be entertaining, I think it would (eventually) destroy team chemistry. Our receivers (though young) are improving each week! Unless you were worried a division rival was going to get him, I say AVOID THE NOID!!!

Getcha Beernuts Ready!

by Fly1965 on Oct 17, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think...

this is an indictment of how they feel about Harris. Now, the DE rotation can be Wale, Brown, G. Adams and Anderson. When he gets healthy, they now can move Izzy to be in the DT rotation full time.

Since Harris is mediocre at best so far this season, they can have Izzy focus on DT duties. By doing that, they can play Harris less snaps in hopes that by metering out his snap count he will be more explosive during the plays he’s actually in. Izzy can play the 3-technique position. So, they have Harris and Izzy rotate and A. Adams and Harrison rotate at the NT.

by illini on Oct 17, 2009 5:06 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs

That's a really interesting take.

Rec.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Oct 17, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

didnt think of that

IT does really help since Tommie is so injury-prone

by Bearsfan23 on Oct 17, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I moved right past this comment

Glad it was wreck’d and didn’t miss it! Let me poor some green on it…

by rdent4hof on Oct 17, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is an excellent view.

When Hub Arkush was on 670 The Score a few days ago, discussing the Bears making trade inquiries… he actually insinuated that the Bears might be trying to acquire a DT, because of Harris.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd like to add

that it might mean playing Gilbert exclusively at DT.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Oct 17, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

damn good call

i was thinking last night how it seemed like we needed dt help more, but this makes a lot of sense.

by mike b on Oct 17, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

plus

I’m willing to be bet we could play Gaines at DT on pass rush downs, like we do with Anderson. I know he’s not a lot slower then MA, and he’s a lot stronger…

by Cosmis on Oct 17, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Great move for the Bears...

While a 2nd round pick is a bit much, this kid has the raw physical talent and the Bears have arguably the best D-line position coach in the NFL. As stated earlier, this allows Izzy to spell Harris more and gives the Bears a much needed 4th full time DE. I still believe finding Harrris’ replacement is the key to the Bears future success on defense, but this move protects against losing Wale to FA money next year.

Kudos to JA for accepting that this team cannot build solely on the draft in its current form. Adams is a bit of a risk, but they now have 3/4 of a season to make that determination. Besides, the 3 areas I believe the Bears need to upgrade talent can still be addressed with the picks they have left:

1. Big, angry 3rd down back-FA, or draft; RBs fill in quickly

2. DB(FS)-There will be a few FAs available and safeties draft low anyway.

3. G-Can be had very late in draft.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 17, 2009 7:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you except, I think this puts Mark Anderson more at risk than Adewale.

If Adewale continues to have a good season and he isn’t totally unreasonable in his contract demands, he’s stated several times his preference is to stay in Chicago. We all know that can completely turn around if someone offers a boatload of cash before the Bears make an offer.

Anderson, on the other hand, still has come nowhere near his rookie season. If that continues throughout this season, I’d rather see the Bears keep Ogunleye around another couple of years and see if Adams can flourish under Marinelli, then launch Anderson.

One thing that does concern me, is one of the scouting reports I read, says one reason he’s been in the doghouse at TB is he can’t learn another move to beat a blocker. Sounds a lot like Anderson’s downside. If we’re just trading one guy who only tries to speed rush for another, then it’s pointless in my opinion.

by BearFan611 on Oct 17, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not necessarily

If Anderson plays like he did his rookie year (a big if) he is more valuable than the 32 year old Ogun. Ogun is playing pretty well, but there is no chance Ogun is going to improve, his best days are history. Anderson’s best days might, I repeat might, be in front of him. It’s up to Anderson. As for Gaines, he is very talented, more talented than any DE they have currently, so let’s see if Marinelli can tap into his wealth of talent. If Gaines works out, no need to waste money on a 32 year old on the downhill side of his career LE.

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~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 17, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we're kind of saying the same thing

This puts the pressure on Anderson to get his act together. I agree the odds of Ogun being back aren’t great, but if his demands aren’t off the charts, I’d rather have him for another year or two than an underachieving Anderson. Especially if this new kid can pick it up and hit his potential (there’s that word again).

by BearFan611 on Oct 17, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and if worst comes to worst

I’d be okay with a Gaines Adams/Alex Brown DE combo for the next few years…

by Cosmis on Oct 17, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WOW...

we all agree on this. That says a lot for the trade. I do see Adams as a hedge on the downside of having to pick between Izzy, Anderson, and Wale. I agree that Wale may not get better, but he probably has about 2-3 good years left. His contact demands should be reasonable, but you never know. Anderson has the least clout and is probably a cheap re-signing for the Bears or he’s gone. Izzy is too versitile to lose, so I believe Adams (if he works out) can be a long term solution if the Bears lose Wale and Anderson. Again, the main issue on the D-line is the 3-technique. Gilbert has not played much and that worries me. DTs generally are good or bad from the outset. Hopefully Marinelli can get Adams to be that #4 pick he can be. That makes the rest of the D better.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 17, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

works for me

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 18, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I made a somewhat overstated post awhile back about blowing up the defense,

and this is exactly the kind of move I envisioned. Young player, elite talent, and we’re giving him to one of the best d-line coaches around. You’re not going to get an equal talent in the second round…especially if JA’s drafting. :)

Now in the later rounds…

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Oct 17, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

correction

it was a wildly overstated post about blowing up the defense.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 17, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can anyone find a scouting report

for Gaines? Haven’t been able to…just going on what I remember.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Oct 17, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Scouting Report I saw at another forum

Strengths:

Gaines Adams is an elite athlete at the defensive end position. He ran the quickest 40 yard dash of any defensive end at the scouting combine and is the most agile of all defensive end prospects. Adams excels as a speed rusher, with a quick first step and a variety of moves at his disposal. Adams has solid technique and uses his athleticism to knock down passes and chase down running backs.

Weaknesses:

Adams needs to add muscle and improve his strength to avoid being targeted in the running game. Strong, athletic tackles will be able to neutralize his speed and use their size to prevent him from disengaging. At times, Adams can get too high which allows even average tackles to get into his body and knock him off balance. Adams is not as consistent as he should be for his level of athleticism, which may be because he sometimes takes plays off as he gets frustrated.

Overall:

Gaines Adams is the best pure pass rushing defensive end in the draft, with the level of quickness and agility the teams have placed a premier on in recent years. Adams is similar to Colts DE Dwight Freeney, though not as quick. Adams will make big plays on occasion, but he may struggle against premier offensive lineman who are able to use superior technique and strength against him,

http://www.warroomreport.com/draft/rankings/de/adams.htm

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by CloudyFuture on Oct 17, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks bud.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Oct 17, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some other bits of news/info from the trade

Adams said he expects to travel with the Bears later today for Sunday night’s game at Atlanta, and he could play. Five of his 13Â½ career sacks have come against the Falcons.

‘’Really, I can’t say right now that a fresh start was what I needed,‘’ Adams said. ’’Really, I am just privileged to be a Bear. It is going to be a new start for me, and I am excited. Hopefully, I go out and play Sunday.’’

Based on the compensation, it’s clear the Bucs weren’t looking to dump Adams as much as Angelo — who loves to say you can never have too many pass rushers — was looking to add a player he coveted. Veteran Adewale Ogunleye is off to the fastest start of his career with 4Â½ sacks, but he’s 32 and is out of contract after this season. Mark Anderson also is in the final year of his deal. This trade is sure to send a shockwave through the defensive-line room, and could affect whether the Bears open the vault for Ogunleye after the season.
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Although the Bears have improved their pass rush under Marinelli and have 14 sacks going into Sunday’s game at Atlanta, this obviously was a move looking toward the future. Adams, 26, was the fourth overall pick in ’07 and has plenty of years left.

Adams’ base salary is $900,000 this season and his contract runs through 2012. His base is $1.08 million in ’10, $1.1 million in ’11, and $1.15 million in ’12.

The knock on Adams, according to folks familiar with the Bucs, is he doesn’t play physical and doesn’t display any counter moves. Tampa Bay head coach Raheem Morris called out Adams for his lack of production early in the season.

Getting Gaines also puts Mark Anderson on notice. He also is in a contract year and has not been as productive as the Bears had hoped following an outstanding training camp. Anderson has just one sack this season. He has yet to duplicate the type of production he had during a 12-sack rookie season in ’06.

Adams has started each of the Bucs’ first five games at right defensive end and has contributed 14 tackles and one sack. He has played in 37 games with 29 starts as a Buccaneer and recorded 124 tackles and 13.5 sacks.

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- Virginia McCaskey to fans complaining to bring back the Honey Bears

by CloudyFuture on Oct 17, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Great deal

Kudos to Angelo. The Bears have not has a guy this talented at DE in years. Unlike any of the current DEs on the team, Gaines has the abilities to be a playmaker at RE. If anyone can tap into Gaines’s considerable abilities it is Marinelli. A gamble to be sure, but a good one.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 17, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Alex Brown

may not have “the ability” to make all the plays, but he makes them nonetheless. I’ve always thought AB was a well-rounded DE.

I understand what you’re saying though, Gaines is more “talented”.

by Cosmis on Oct 17, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ABrown would be a good LE

but he is an average RE and at RE you want a playmaker.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 18, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Weird

Without Marinelli, I believe I would have hated this trade… being as there was no improvement from our young DE’s before he came here… ex: Anderson, Bazuin, Haynes
Coupling that, with the need for improvement and depth at other positions would have been my reasoning.

With Marinelli, I like it! My feeling is Rush Rod gets the most out of his Rush Men. With a ceiling like Adams’, the Bears may be getting a player with “Simeon Rice like” production. I’m kinda pumped!

by rdent4hof on Oct 17, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Let's be fair.

Bazuin and Haynes aren’t even in the NFL. They aren’t even playing football in Canada. The only football they’re playing is Madden on XBOX.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

Very true…. I do wonder what might have been, had Marinelli been here… lol, I have such a man crush on him.

by rdent4hof on Oct 17, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that bauzin selection

will bother me for years

by mike b on Oct 17, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+++1

At least Haynes had potential(all fake), but Bauzin wasn’t even a 7th round talent!

I would love to see Brown move over to LE and G Adams at RE. Brown is s a natural at the LE/strong side and I hope he gets to be the other bookend from Adams. With a real 3-technique, this D-line could be the best in the last 25 years. It’s hard to beat out Perry, Dent, McMichael, and Hampton; they might be the best front 4 to ever be assembled.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 17, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

670 Score reporting that Gaines will be cut to make room for Gaines. LOL.

Michael Gaines…

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 17, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Net gain of zero?

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by MPG on Oct 17, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Net "Gaines"?

by Cosmis on Oct 17, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yup

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by MPG on Oct 17, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hm..

I actually think its a good move, if a bit pricey.. ogunleye has looked boss all season so far, but we haven’t seen much from the rest of the group, Anderson has a whole whopping 1 sack so far..so maybe marinelli thinks he’s a lost case. Having two tough ends in a 4-3 will help our D cover that hole at MLB immensely..Roach hasn’t looked good at all when dropping back in pass coverage..he’s meant to be a run stop..i.e. not up the middle. So I hope this guy works out..

by Pretender85 on Oct 17, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Players in FA next year

This is also an indication that Angelo will be very active in free-agency next year. RT, CB, and WR may be on his “wish list” since he’ll be another pick short after this trade.

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by propheteer on Oct 17, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

too bad Adams might not see the field sunday night

he’s owned Ryan so far.

Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...

by ifuwannacrownem on Oct 17, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well the only thing that sorta bothers me

is that the IMO Bears need more secondary help than anything else but also the fact that buc fans are celebrating this move saying they “robbed us”….guess we will see….

considering his “success” against the falcons I would not be surprised for Gaines Adams to see action on SNF…..

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by CloudyFuture on Oct 17, 2009 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs