Bears Give Away Game, Fall to Atlanta 21-14
by Adam T on Oct 18, 2009 10:35 PM CDT
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For the second straight year, the Chicago Bears gift wrapped the game for the Atlanta Falcons. This year however they played they at least teased them a bit, by giving it to them, then taking it away, then giving it back to them.
No matter how bad the Bears play, they always seem to be in it late and Cutler seems to get the job done. Unfortunately, this time Cutler couldn't overcome a horrible offensive line and some dumb penalties.
Cutler ended the game with an even 300 yards, 2TD and 2 INTs. He spread the ball around well, Devin Hester was the Bears leading receiver with 6 catches for 83 yards. Once again the oline and Matt Forte couldn't get anything going. Forte ended with 23 yards on 15 carries. Sadly Cutler had more rushing yards.
The Bears defense and special teams great at times, but both gave up big plays.
I'm going to be sorry I asked, but what is your take?
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I don't know how we keep staying in the game
The mistakes would take any other team out of the game fairly quickly, and I keep getting the impression that fixing them would lead us to a great team. Unfortunately, it seems like these mistakes are a hallmark of Smith’s era in Chicago. Year in and year out, we seem to still make those mistakes.
by dkguy55 on Oct 18, 2009 10:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
omiyale
needs to be out. period. he’s horrible.
by Nih1lus on Oct 18, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i can
almost count one of the forte fumbles on him, because he missed a block. his block smashed into forte, causing the fumble.
by Nih1lus on Oct 18, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the batted ball
at the end, was also omiyale’s guy. and he seems to be out of position or just not blocking anyone on about 60-70% of the plays. he also missed some key blocks downfield that would’ve sprung forte on a few screens.
wasn’t beekman pretty decent last year?
collinsworth nailed it when he said, “your qb isn’t supposed to get hit when there’s only a 3 man rush”
ugh.
by gsim on Oct 18, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said that...
when they brought a four man rush, but I still get what you’re saying. And yes Beekman > Omiyale (besides the wallet).
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by smudgers on Oct 18, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its really about time for beekman to get a shot
will be a better fit? i dont know neither does lovie we need to givem a shot he did not do all that bad last year.
we had no sacks tonight…but the pressure was not terrible we had a few batted balls and two picks i was personally happy to see vasher get a pick.
Earl Bennet- solid reciever great hands the 24yrd catchat the end was awesome he caught it and got hammered and still held on.
Forte- quit the hes a bust non sense hes touch the ball nearl 500 times in his career with chi town only 4 total fumbles first time ever back to back.
Please explain to me how any back can have any sucess when he is hit in the backfield before he can get to the line? that was forte for most of his carries he was able to the line he did ok.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 18, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
He was a career back up for a reason. He seems lazy to me. Kinda like Oh Well, dopey doe, I missed another block and gave it half an effort. Forte seems to lack vision to the holes as well. We have to start admiting that. No excuse for stupity this game. NONE! I am to upset right now. I will be back in a couple days.
by Gesiakob on Oct 18, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was disgusting...
So many missed chances.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Oct 18, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Indian giver?
Come on, there’s no need for that.
by BoxingHideout on Oct 18, 2009 10:41 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
yeah its..
Native american giver? i think..
by GtM on Oct 18, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Native American" giver?
… just doesn’t really have the same ring to it.
"I think you're confusing nice and evil again."
by ...YouKnowWho on Oct 19, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My apologies guys
it didn’t register at the time I was writing that I might have been offending somebody with that one. I’ll be sure to better police my own writing in the future.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
by Adam T on Oct 19, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's our O-line coach....it's just been ridiculous how bad they've been....
they have also been bad the past few years….this has to be fixed
by aznsensation on Oct 18, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Can Marinelli work the Oline as well???
Roachy love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
by tfrabotta on Oct 18, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harry Heinsted
Yes, it really seems like there’s something wrong with the O-line. We were talking about that the other other day when they traded for Adams and it appears that the D-line is fine – but the O-line is struggling. It’s the biggest reason why the running game has been so horrible this year.
I’ll say it again: “They need to address the O-line. Specifically Omiyale, Pace and Kreutz in that order. Omiyale is below average. Pace and Kreutz are very mediocre at best. They were once great players in their primes, but have dropped off in recent years.”
by JimmyMack on Oct 19, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Bears need to fix their offensive line
on 60% of the running plays, there was a defensive linemen standing in the backfield. That is amazing, and it can’t happen. There were defenders hitting Forte 2 yards deep on every play.
The stupid penalties and mistakes killed us. Fumbles, interceptions, false start penalties – it was bad. The Bears over the last couple of years have been making too many mistakes.
As has been the pattern under Lovie, the Bears D can’t make stops at the end of games. Special teams gets an assist as well. But the Bears routinely looked like they didn’t know what the hell was going on and that falls on the coach – Lovie. I don’t care if Nick Roach is the 3rd string backer, you have to be set by the time the ball snaps. Every scoring drive Atlanta had featured at least one play where the Bears were caught completely unaware on D. Can’t happen.
I think Lovie is a good coach. But it might be time to go a different way. I just don’t see the Bears getting better anymore. They make too many mistakes on both sides of the ball and haven’t had a good running game since Lovie’s been coach. I think the Bears should jump on one of those big time coaches while they have a chance.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 18, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And remember, Atlanta is not known for their stunning run-defense
In fact, I think they came in 24th against the run. We definitely should have been able to move the ball on the ground against this team. They completely shut our running game down.
by JimmyMack on Oct 19, 2009 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Ron Turner
Play selection sucks!
Screw it – Fire Lovie and hire Mike Shannan! I want a real running game.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
by phastphil on Oct 18, 2009 10:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all
the O-line talk. It’s really, really sloppy, and I’m sorry you don’t see those many penalties in high-school games.
On the plus side, I think Lovie looked at pissed as he’s physically capable of.
I wish Turner had tried a bit more with Wolfe after a couple nice attempts.
We gave it away with penalties. But I think we have to reaffirm that Jay Cutler was the right move for us.
by Virto on Oct 18, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Jay Cutler
We have to look at good things from this. I was extremely impress how he handles himself under pressure, and i really think we need to build our offense around him, forget the run first team. Did you guys saw Saints today? They rip giants apart just by throwing. Being one dimensional football team can get the job done you really don’t need to be a good running team also if we were slinging it more instead of continuously running and going 3 and out we would probably have more points on the scorecard, but then again its just my thought.
by Man G on Oct 18, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
um...the saints o-line blocks
we can’t throw the ball around like them because cutler wouldn’t last the season. now, if our o-line was mediocre, sure…though even a decent line would mean forte would see some holes, and we could go back to being a balanced offense. i’m amazed cutler’s doing what he’s doing with the lack of protection and the complete lack of a running game (though, again, i think that’s on the o-line more than forte)
by guy incognito on Oct 18, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
He did say “we need to build our offense around him” (meaning Cutler), so I’m assuming part of that would be getting an O-Line that can hold a pocket more than 1/2 of a second.
by DDigital on Oct 19, 2009 6:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's probably why Orton is having such a big year
His O-line in Denver is awesome compared to ours. If KO was still in Chicago, he’d be dead right now – from multiple concussions.
by JimmyMack on Oct 19, 2009 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know how many picks we have next season?
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 18, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
down to like 5 i beleive
3 4 5 6 7 unless we get some compensatpry picks or do some trades
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 18, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
think we have one or two in the 6th and 7th right?
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by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That trade for Adams pretty much f_cked us in terms of rebuilding the line
With only five picks – none of them high, it’s gonna be tough. Now we’ve gotta “hope” we get lucky in the third or later rounds and find a decent guard and tackle.
by JimmyMack on Oct 19, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is always free agency
Roachy love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
by tfrabotta on Oct 19, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully this time we avoid the Omiyales of the world
Because free-agency is about the only way that O-line is going to get any better next year.
by JimmyMack on Oct 19, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
we have to pay cutler first, then worry about how to still cheaply pay everyone else, that uncapped year has to scare the crap out of the owners
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by BearNecessities on Oct 19, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are just replacing
Kreutz at $6mm per year with a younger better Olineman. We are still roughly $20mm under I believe??
Roachy love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
by tfrabotta on Oct 19, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dated and racist sayings...
…are they commonplace here at this blog?
by ELGee on Oct 18, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe it's because...
I don’t feel like reading all the comments. But what are you talking about?!?
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by smudgers on Oct 18, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Indian Giver"
It’s weird, this blog’s usually really good about stuff like that.
by itsugly on Oct 19, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I see that now. It was really late last night and I didn’t feel up to reading.
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by smudgers on Oct 19, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes me think of the Seinfeld episode..
Roachy love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
by tfrabotta on Oct 19, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dated and Racist sayings
are like Jack Nicholson, they aren’t classy but everyone loves them
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Oct 18, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Such a frustrating game
Mental mistake. Terrible O line play, Cutler over – pumped early/…yet we were still in it till the very last play.
I know its a stretch, but have to look for some kind of silver lining.
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by RogersPark Kris on Oct 18, 2009 11:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the game is over... silver lining
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by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was one play but i think he should have tried it more....
the wildcat play with hester it went for what 6 yards? but it was the first time we tried it all year atlanta didnt know what was going on, We should have tried it more with forte getting direct snap or wolfe or hester. i mean why not how many negative or no gain plays did we have? just a thought tough loss but atleast this year we were not cheated out of a win
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 18, 2009 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I kinda agree...
We werent ready for their no huddle and they werent ready for The U-cat! LOL… yeah.. I named it!!! Just like Johnny “One The Spot” Knox, Brad “Money” Maynard and Robbie “Never Cold” Gould (cuz you can’t ice him! lol!!!)
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Oct 19, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops...
Johnny “On The Spot” Knox… misspelled in org post!
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Oct 19, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signs of Bad Coaching
We saw all the signs of bad coaching tonight against Atlanta…
On defense: Sloppy tackling… confusion at the defensive line… 12 men on the field… sloppy tackling… blown downfield coverage… sloppy tackling…
On offense: Incredibly bad play calling from the sidelines… running backs with blind spots for the small holes occasionally opened up by an incompetent offensive line. ,,, multiple fumbles against a team that was quite obviously tackling the ball from the get-go… encroachment in key situations… Bad, bad, bad offensive line pass protection..and on and on.
I don’t know how much of this is due to Lovie Smith and how much to the stumblebums he’s hired as defensive, offensive, and special teams coaches, but they all need to man-up, take the blame, quit their jobs, and become scouts or whatever bad coaches get to do next.
by BarelyABear on Oct 18, 2009 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Tackling wasn't bad.
I can only think of 2 plays on defense that we didn’t put the ball carrier on the ground on or immediately after first contact: One was a 10 or 11 yard run by Turner (I think it was Turner anyway) at the end of the 3rd and the other was the TD to White (which was more of a blown coverage issue. That was a tough tackle for Roach to make coming from where he did). On special teams, the 62 yard kick-off return in the 4th was bad, but the coverage the rest of the night was decent enough (even the long punt return was mostly due to good blocking, not sloppy tackling).
I couldn’t agree more with the rest of the issues you touched on though.
by DDigital on Oct 19, 2009 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 words... RON TURNER!!!!
some of my friends are mad that Lovie doesnt get mad, but thats one of the things I LOVE about him!!! Cool, calm and collected… Dirty Harry Style… he didnt get mad… he got even!!! Ron showed ONE PLAY worth of imagination (the play I named The U-cat) with hester taking the snap… they he went back to his usual… pass on 1st, pass on second, oh no it’s 3rd and 10.. pass on 3rd!!!
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Oct 19, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said it in Facebook, but it bears repeating. Bears. Ugh, no pun intended.
We need to launch Orlando Pace to the goddamn moon and forget he existed. That pile of dung personally derailed any chance we had at gaining momentum. From his holds that brought us back from big gains to his false start… just lock him in a room and blow it up already. We need an OT bad, right now, and we have a few days left to get one.
by emdub on Oct 18, 2009 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
too bad we just traded our 2nd rdr
for a DE that didnt even play, and cut our best blocking TE for it
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by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adams is obviously not gonna play 2 days after joining the team.
And Gaines may havebeen the best blocking TE, but overall he was the 4th best TE on the team, and wasnt gonna see the field.
by Poloplaya14 on Oct 18, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This ^^
lol @ people who expected Adams to play on Sunday after being traded for on a Friday. I would be surprised if he had even stepped foot in Hallas Hall, let alone received a playbook. Learning the terminology ALONE is going to take a couple weeks, even coming from a similar D. Don’t expect him to see the field for a while.
And Gaines was basically just depth. Most teams don’t carry 4 TE’s, no reason we should either. A worthy sacrifice if this guy can play up to his potential.
by DDigital on Oct 19, 2009 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still a bajillion times better than
Omyiale. The left side of the line has been awful.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Oct 18, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
We shoot Pace to the moon, Omyiale goes to Mars.
by emdub on Oct 18, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
needs to be farther
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by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys are gonna make
some big-ass craters.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Oct 18, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell NASA we got some more BOMBS for them to find water outside of earth!!!!
LOL
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Oct 19, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait... so...
You wanna get rid of a guy who had like half a dozen pancake blocks tonight? Because he had a false start on a running play, that we most likely (75% chance) would’ve gotten stuffed on anyway… because we can’t run?
Yeah… sure… blame the game on our LT.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 19, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta blame someone...
But this was a team effort. It took all of them playing together to lose this one.
As a side note, I believe he also had a holding call on him.
by DDigital on Oct 19, 2009 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're gonna blame someone
blame omiyale he is infinitely worse than anyone else on the line.
by Nih1lus on Oct 19, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we now just refer to Omiyale as....
The Turnstyle or The Bull Fighter.
You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 19, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Poll!!
But it has to eb Ole’
Roachy love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
by tfrabotta on Oct 19, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm good with that as well.
You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 19, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AwfulTackling
SackMan You may have gone out for too many beers. Or, maybe you just shut your eyes in anxiety. Can’t blame you. It was a horrible slow-motion accident last night, with every defensive play looking a lot like an instant repeat. .
What I saw were lots of arm-tackles all night long. You can’t bring a man down by wrapping one arm around him. You have to put your helmet and shoulder in his gut and enfold him with your arms. What I saw, repeatedly, was one guy at a time flinging an arm at a oppo, and then another, and then another. In the end, gang tackling would bring him down. Nothing wrong with gang tackling, except he shouldn’t have been allowed to slip-and-slide so long that everybody else had time to gather into a gang.
by BarelyABear on Oct 19, 2009 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what was up with
the one play where Forte hit his linemen, instead of the hole?
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by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was weird...
It looked like there was a hole to Forte’s right, but instead he ran into the O-lineman’s back. I guess he thought the lineman was going to lead him down-field. lol
by JimmyMack on Oct 19, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean when The Turnstyle was in the way?
I’d say Frank the Tank has no idea WTF is going on in the running or passing game.
You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 19, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were all hoping the bandaid offensive line would do enough this season; it clearly hasn’t to date. As others have said, there was so much penetration into our backfield and running lanes were plugged to such an extent that we may as well have given up the run, for all the ground Forte was getting.
Our receiving corps are improving, but aren’t sufficient for our offense to become a throw-heavy one. Dinking and dunking worked early on but there wasn’t enough vertical stretching of the field to open things up for my liking.
Would hate to think where we would be without a QB who can make the throws that we’re seeing Cutler make, despite the mistakes that everybody makes.
As for the defense… well, this team was known as the Monsters of the Midway once upon a time. ’Nuff said.
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by Spongie on Oct 18, 2009 11:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Our receivers are fine. Once we get an O-line that can prtect Cutler and help us run the ball, they’ll be fine
by Dils on Oct 18, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once we get an O-line that can prtect Cutler and help us run the ball, they’ll be fine
That’s my point. We don’t have one and although I’m as pleasantly surprised as anyone at how they’re progressing, we’re not the Cardinals.
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by Spongie on Oct 19, 2009 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need a better O-line and time to throw
In order to have a successful vertical passing game. Right now, Cutler’s just trying to get rid of the ball and avoid being sacked half the time.
by JimmyMack on Oct 19, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man this team... i know people wanna look for the silver lining
but they are so self destructing. I don’t know what to say I think the biggest play was Briggs not falling on the ball, letting Ryan get the ball.
Also I have a problem with their focus. They seem to get rattled in big games and then every play they seem to get seems like luck.
it displaces the same traits from last season. 1 yard and they can’t get it.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 18, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
displays
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 18, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Briggs play cost us,
but that’s the price you pay for Lovie’s scoring defense philosophy
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Oct 18, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never thought I would say this
but the best part of our team besides our QB is our Recieving core.
by Dils on Oct 18, 2009 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pisa is a big disappointment
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 18, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just bad luck
he’s a great player when healthy, just keeps getting injured. he might have completely torn the PCL by the way he was carted off the field.
by Nih1lus on Oct 18, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries aren't his fault, though
And he did manage to make an impact today with that forced fumble.
by Poloplaya14 on Oct 19, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is that?
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Oct 18, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trolling
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see you provide so much insight.
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by smudgers on Oct 18, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
you should see how much crap they are talking about us over at MHR. We are complete idiots and they are perfect. Kentucky Bronco is an idiot.
not a lot to do on a bye week besides tell us how awesome they are and how stupid we are. plus how they have telekinesis, can fly, and cure AIDS.
by Nih1lus on Oct 18, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
yes, I used to respect the Broncos (Elway Leap!)
but now I seriously can’t stand their fans, its like wtf, get over it.
Cutler will put us in the playoffs while he is in Chicago, because of Cutler we will be in the playoffs, not in spite of!
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Oct 18, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are rivaling Vikings fans
for control of the kingdom of douchedom
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost threw up in my mouth
when Baltimore missed that FG.
I’m going to need to get meds for Hypertension if the Bears keep playing this close.
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Oct 18, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
yes, I used to respect the Broncos (Elway Leap!)
but now I seriously can’t stand their fans, its like wtf, get over it.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
by Spongie on Oct 19, 2009 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
First off, the point of MHR and SBN, as a whole, is for fans to be fans without having to sort through the MSM crap. If you are going to blast a site and a fan base, at least be accurate. One persons opinion doesn’t make an entire community. Usually speaking, MHR is full of a respectful fan base that allows for respectful (although opinionated) covernsation on how our boys will do on any given weekend.
I still believe, as i did when he was a Bronco, that Cutler is a good qb. No one will know for sure how the deal actually panned out in until years later. So although I’m happy that we no longer have to hear about who is not talking to who, know this is at least one Bronco fan not bragging every time you lose.
P.S. Our Bye week is next week. We face the Chargers this week!
by MileHighAddict09 on Oct 19, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agrre with you about MHR
alot of respectful guys and very knowledgeable fans. But a few of your guys are giving you a bad name with the way they are behaving..stooping so low as to join in with a chiefs fan to mock us? that is low class..
Roachy love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
by tfrabotta on Oct 19, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone who has Facebook
this is a must. Link
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So many more problems
than just Turner. Omiyale, Kreutz, Garza, Pace, and Williams should be on the hit list as well.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Oct 18, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree completely
but i still totally joined
by GtM on Oct 19, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude i found this link to a petition on their wall
by GtM on Oct 19, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I signed it... there are 131 sigs at this point... I'm number 131...
But I did notice that this petetion is VERY OLD!!! Goes back to talking about REX and CED!!! Obviously…. this is a problem thats been going on a while… but then again.. I’ve known that for YEARS NOW!!!
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Oct 20, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to bring in
the NFL equivalent of a management consulting firm. I don’t think the Bears have the in-house smarts to correct all the problems they have. I pick them finishing just above the Lions in the NFC North based on the way they have played so far this season.
by prbart140 on Oct 18, 2009 11:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They are 3-2.
FTW?!?
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by smudgers on Oct 18, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah dude
i’m pissed, but not going to completely bail just yet… 3 more games, and i’ll decide
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Oct 18, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I saw any
improving trend lines I might indeed be Chicken Little, but I’m afraid I don’t see much encouragement in the performance being displayed, so I’ll stick with my pick!!
by prbart140 on Oct 18, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about the fact that
Michael Turner averages 100 yards per game, and we held him to 30 yards tonight on 11 carries???
or the fact that our QB threw for 300 yards, 2 TDs, and ran for 30+ yards
or that our passing game is so balanced we had 6 different people receive 3+ passes
not to mention that we have 2 rookies (Knox and Afalava) that are making serious progress every game
yeah, there’s no “improving” trends. Face it, we lost to a good team with home field advantage. I’m not worried, we’ve played tough opponents and we have won or been very close. We do have several things that need to be worked on, but I wouldn’t say that the Bears need to bring in
the NFL equivalent of a management consulting firm
seriously man stop jumping on and off the bandwagon!
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Oct 18, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im a huge always on the bandwagon man
however… we beat ourselves tonight, there is no way around that
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree we beat ourselves
but it’s not time to throw in the towel on the season and hire a management consulting firm
we beat ourselves on ST especially, wtf, 62 yards on last kickoff and the 12 men on the field on a crux play
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Oct 18, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oline
We do have several things that need to be worked on, but I wouldn’t say that the Bears need to bring in
It’s one big thing that needs to be worked on, and I don’t see the running game improving. Which means defenses can continue to bring the heat against Cutler on just about every play, making us one-dimensional. NFL teams can’t win consistently without good play up front. If there’s any chance at all, Lovie obviously needs to bench Omiyale. He’s literally costing the Bears offense 4-5 plays per game….at least.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Oct 18, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope it doesnt
take all season to realize that… i thought they graded every play?
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
they get their collective heads out of their asses and right the ship.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Oct 18, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly Lovie’s strength, though.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
by Spongie on Oct 19, 2009 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly right,
Lovie’s head is up his ass so much, I’m beginning to think that scar on his chin is actually a butt crack.
by BearFan611 on Oct 19, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they missed on Omiyale from the start...
Why would you pay a career back-up $11 million? Now they’re playing him to justify that contract.
by JimmyMack on Oct 19, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which brings this question
to mind, he was brought in to play Tackle, fine. then we have our 1st rounder in Williams.
so our line would have been Williams, Beekman, Kreutz, Garza, Omiyale…was Pace just not available when we signed Omiyale?
Expecting Omiyale to just be a starting Guard was ludacris…i know, LUDA!
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 19, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
guys can learn new positions, and omiwhateverthehell can still be a good guard. its just won’t be soon.
now, if you look at cutler as a 10 year investment, and that this line and defense need major improvements that’s an ok pill to swallow. it’s also not as fun.
by mike b on Oct 19, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler
won’t last 10 years behind a line like this
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 19, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way the game is played has changed through the years,
but the way the game is won has been the same throughout. It’s all about the trenches, and the Bears got dominated at the LOS. We dominated in Total Yards and won the time of possession. Like WCG wrote, the Bears gave this game away.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Oct 18, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
o-line and d-line
I think both of our lines aren’t very good. The d-line ca’t get consistent pressure on the QB while rushing 4 guys. But that is what it takes with the Tampa 2 defense. If the line has to put 9 guys in the box to stop the run you have a problem. The o- line we have after watching the game is one of the worst ones in the NFL. if you cant punch it in on 4 tries at the one yard line youo line can’t run block. Also if the defense is rushing only 3 guys and your QB is almost getting sacked, your o-line cant pass block. This o- line is crap. we need to reshuffle and start over in the off season. as a side not i really like Cutler, Knox, Forte, and Hester, olsen, keep the skill guys, get ride of most of the o- line.
by Bears-Bullsfan on Oct 18, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side,
Odom is out for Cin, so the O-Line should have an easier time.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Oct 18, 2009 11:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Roy williams was out today too
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my take
Coach Smith still can’t adapt to changing game situations during the game.
Lance Briggs is a good linebacker but not a great one – he does not have the ability to take control and dominate a game. Clearly, Urlacher is missed.
Ron Turner is not what this team needs to advance to the next level.
The offensive line can’t run block, and sometimes can’t pass block.
Garret Wolfe is a waste of roster space. He is too small to run inside and too slow to run to the outside.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
by Maelvampyre on Oct 18, 2009 11:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My take...
You are about as knowledgeable about football as my 11-year-old sister.
-If Lovie’s bad at making adjustments, explain how we’ve outscored opponents 75-34 in the second half, as opposed to being outscored 65-44 in the first half. Clearly, our coaches are making good adjustments, and our team has consequently been playing much better in the later parts of the game.
-I don’t know what your definition of taking control of a game is, but I’m pretty sure that Briggs has come a lot closer to doing that than Urlacher has over the past year and a half. Briggs is a great linebacker. Period.
-Garret Wolfe has averaged 4.3 ypc this year. If you think he’s a waste of roster space, what’s your opinion of forte, whos averaged 3.4 ypc behind the SAME O-LINE.
by Poloplaya14 on Oct 19, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The answers are these....
-The second half numbers are because of Cutler’s ability to make plays; last time I looked Lovie had nothing to do with the offense. When your team is behind, they have to play better or they lose, but that does not mean they are coached well.
-Briggs is a great hitter, but not a dominating force. That does not mean he is bad, but he needs Urlacher as much as Urlacher needs him.
-You quote too many stats out of context for Wolfe. He has never carried the ball more than 5 times a game. In fact he has 3 carries per game except for one (Detroit). His ypc average is not a meaningful number.
If you play fantasy football too long, you forget that stats are for baseball fans and 11-year old girls.
Mvamp is correct in the assessment. This coaching staff has 2 weeks to prepare and they come up with this game plan, please! While any one player mistake might have changed the outcome last night, all three coaches did a piss poor job of coaching.
There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
by LostInSTL on Oct 19, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The game planning wasn't bad
In the end, the O-line cost us the game last night. The line is why we are just terrible in the red zone this year. When have to get a couple of tough yards, we can’t run to save our lives.
by JimmyMack on Oct 19, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your sister
..Must know a lot more about football than you do.
Who cares who outscored who in the second half – what matters is the final score and a good team beat the Bears, a team with a coach who went to the no-huddle, a coach who found a way to win!
Briggs is good, but not dominant is what I said. I think he is being exposed in this season.
Regarding Wolfe, you missed the point. If you have a back up for your primary running back, he should not be a scat back that probably weighs as much as your sister does. Too bad Peterson got hurt and I think again the lack of a credible backup to Forte will be exposed also.
My opinion on Forte is that he is not running well this year, did you really need me to teell you that? I think you could ask your sister and she would tell you that too.
Finally, I was speaking about specifics. Clearly the O line is a problem, as is the D line and coaching etc.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
by Maelvampyre on Oct 19, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, let me explain it to you one more time...
-Who cares who outscored who in the second half? You should if you want to make an accurate assessment of the coaches’ ability to make adjustment. The Bears have played tremendously better in the 2nd half compared to the first half, on both sides of the ball. Now they’re the same players; the only difference is that the coaches are making adjustments to take advantage of the other teams’ mistakes.
-Regarding Briggs, he may not be a “dominant player,” but he’s been the Bears’ best defensive player over the past year and a half. And he’s been flat-out better than Urlacher.
-Regarding Wolfe, I think you missed the point. Considering how bad our O-line has been, the fact that he’s been effective running the ball shows that he’s not a waste of roster space. He’s obviously undersized, but the bottom line is he’s been effective on both offense and special teams.
-As for the rest of the argument, you’re merely stating the obvious/doing the prototypical whining that bandwagon fans seem to do after every loss.
by Poloplaya14 on Oct 19, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler's Tell
Will someone please tell Cutler that he’s giving the Oppo D a tell… every time he plans to pass he take a small step forward with his right foot just before the signal for the ball to be hiked. Watch the films. It is as predictable as the sun rising in the East.
by BarelyABear on Oct 18, 2009 11:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
emtying the backfield
doesnt help either… nor does two run plays in a row, leaving us with 3rd and long, good tells too
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that small step
was the signal to snap the ball?
by torch on Oct 19, 2009 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pace
Is a freakin vet wet making rookie mistakes?Our O-Line sucks along with Turner who I said to fire a long time ago.
by T.Moore on Oct 18, 2009 11:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
um
oline can’t block
forte can’t run or hold on to the ball
dline can’t get pressure
mlb can’t call the d
and people are worried about cutler? sorry kids, he’s the farthest thing from the problem.
by mike b on Oct 18, 2009 11:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the thing that worries me the most.
mlb can’t call the d
And then the oline.
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by smudgers on Oct 18, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you dont think
HH could have called those plays? I do.
Roach is more athletic, but his inability to play the big role showed tonight. i think if HH could have played it may have gone differently
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 18, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, probably.
I do know that Urlacher’s absence was felt tonight.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Oct 18, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know our mlb made a few bad plays
but outside of atlanta’s 2 big drives our defense played well for not getting any pass rush. we gave up 250 yards for the game?? Oline is by far the most glaring problem for this team.
Roachy love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
by tfrabotta on Oct 18, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we cannot call plays...
when the other team goes in a no huddle, it’s gonna be a long season. It puts us incredibly vulnerable and teams will feed off of that.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Oct 18, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe if our coaches
would prepare them for it…
Roachy love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
by tfrabotta on Oct 19, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overall, our defense was probably the bright spot in this game.
Ryan came in with rating of something like 108 and only 1 INT for the year, and we held him to a rating of 68 – with 2 picks. And we basically shut down Turner for the second year in a row.
by JimmyMack on Oct 19, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough loss dudes.
Yes I’m a Bronco fan, but I grew up in Southern Illinois and always loved coming up to Chicago. Yes I hate the Cubs and the Blackhawks. No I didn’t like the way Cutler whined and pouted his way out of Denver.
But that said, I still maintain it’s a trade that has benefitted both teams. And I really thought he was going to tie the game there at the end. He’s a hell of a talent.
Just a crappy way to lose.
Blues. Cardinals. Broncos. Rockies (when not playing St. Louis!).
Drinkin' the orange kool-aid since the day McDaniels was hired.
Go DU hockey! Go Mammoth!
by HockeyHippie on Oct 19, 2009 12:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm f'n furious in how we lost this game.
FURIOUS.
You can’t make that many mistakes and expect to win.
And, for god f’n sakes: somebody put a friggin bootleg in Ron Turner’s playbook.
Worst play of the game: that’s a toss up between trying to run inside the 5 twice in a row, when we can’t run worth a crap… or our inexcusable defensive miscue, giving Roddy White a 3 on 2 match-up to the endzone. Inexcusable.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 19, 2009 12:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there were plenty of bad plays today but the o-line was just downright awful all game long
omiyale needs to be benched for beekman immediately. i am absolutely amazed cutler kept us in that game, i thought we had no chance for sure.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Oct 19, 2009 12:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Found the name of the O-line coaches...
Last year we complained about Bob Babich and how he should have been fired. Now we have to start looking at Harry Hiestand our offensive line coach and Luke Butkus our offensive line assistant. Harry Hiestand was the O-line coach at University of Illinois before 2005. So I’m assuming he came with Ron Turner as a bundled package. I never thought I would say this, but if we get Ron Turner fired, his assistants and subordinates would probably go with him.
by aznsensation on Oct 19, 2009 1:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Indian Giver?
Indian Giver? Excuse me? You steal their land, butcher them for fighting back, decimate them by exposing them to all kinds of diseases and on top of that you abuse them? Who reallly took without giving back anything? Which cave does this writer live in? Those kind of bigoted statements I thought were history, but i guess i was wrong.
by VANAMALI on Oct 19, 2009 6:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's tone down the righteous indignation a bit, buddy
In a league with teams named “Chiefs” and “Redskins” you probably have bigger fish to fry than a blogger.
by torch on Oct 19, 2009 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a shame
We can’t seem to bring all the best parts about our offense and defense together to complete one play. Either side of the ball seems to be having problems with consistency. I don’t want to hammer about playcalling because I think they know better than I do, I’d just like to see us stick with what is working. If were killing them with the pass/screen/sweep/run whatever then keep passing/screening/sweeping/running. Make orlando pace the ’09 Fridge and send forte to the end zone behind him.
by waw950727 on Oct 19, 2009 8:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Too Early
Its way too early in the morning for righteous indignation.
by waw950727 on Oct 19, 2009 8:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was literally at a loss for words when my friends asked me about the game this morning.
“Where do i start”, i said. I said along the lines of…
Our O-line sucks, we got a future Hall of Fame tackle falling over on the ground on a 4th and 1 that would of tied the game for us. We got a LT playing LG and completely missing blocks, getting pummeled, Holding, and basically looking like a complete idiot. And to top that off we got a Running Back who is constantly getting hit in the backfield. I couldn’t believe the back to back fumbles last night by Forte…i thought i was literally in the twilight zone.
The D-fense played inspired in the first half, but someone tell me as soon as Atlanta went to the no-huddle and scored we did not have a defensive adjustment for it at all. Roddy White scores on a blown defense coverage from a no huddle, Tont Gonzales scores from the back of the end zone..the one place that needs to be covered on a no huddle, and not 1..not 1 adjustment.
What kills me tho is that after all that, we still had a chance to win the game multiple times..if we could of gotten at least 1 or 2 field goals in the 3 red zone turnover trips, we would of won the game..in despite of how bad we played. I am just baffled by my team this year.
I almost don’t wanna think what is in store when we play the niners, vikings twice, ravens, eagles, cardinals to name a few. If we cannot hold it together in the 4th quarter, forget the whole game..i just wanna hold it together for the 4th quarter..is that too much to ask? If we help to beat ourselves how do we expect to beat the other NFL teams.
I am far from throwing in the towel but there has to be a change. We have to make an adjustment to the offensive line, How many games is it going to take to prove Frank O has absolutely no idea how to play Left Guard. Our defense needs to kill the retared encroachment and offsides penaltys, stop falling for the hard count more than once every game for crying out loud. The offensive line must be fixed, the discipline of the team in general must be fixed.
I have said this many times but Ron Turner….needs to go after this season. Offer one of those college offensive coordinators on one fo those top offensive college teams if you have to..most of them just wanna get their foot in the door in the pros anyway.
Or give the job to Mike Shanahan with a backdoor deal that he will be head coach after Lovies extension is up.
I miss anything?
by Chitownproduct on Oct 19, 2009 8:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought the defense kept us in the game
This was a very potent offensive team, with Michael Turner – and Ryan is one of the top QBs in the league. But the O-line and those busted red-zone drives are what cost us the ball game.
by JimmyMack on Oct 19, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh i did give props to the defense
I was just kind of upset that they couldn’t get into the right position on some of the no huddle playcalling Atlanta was doing, and the Coaches just continue to let it happen. I know the players have to take a blame too but having Roach doing the defensive adjustments on no huddle..meh, i would feel better if Briggs would have a better say in that, even as an outside LB.
by Chitownproduct on Oct 19, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My sentiments exactly
I thought the defense should’ve been better prepared on the no-huddle, but basically kept the team in the ball game by not letting a potent offense score more than they did. They covered the middle of the field relatively well unlike last year’s game. If it weren’t for the two blown assignments, they would’ve got an “A” grade for the game.
The offensive line is a trainwreck, and doesn’t seem to be gelling at all. As fans, we would think Omiyale and the rest of them would’ve cam out firing in the running game after the bye week; instead they were stuck in the mud against a mediocre defense. Jamaal Anderson is a DT at less than 290 lbs, and the middle can’t even remotely get a push up front? Kreutz needs to go after the season, Williams to LT, cut Pace, Beekman to center, draft a G, and RT (free-agency).
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Oct 19, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not a troll. And this is just an opinion. Take it for what its worth.
I think Jay Cutler blew this game for us. Yes, Forte didn’t help coughing it up twice on the goal line. Yes our O-line was/is weak. But those two interceptions were just plain ugly. Jay over threw Olson by a good 5 yards and completely misread the coverage on the goal line. We lost a lot of momentum on that first pick. Jay also audibled in to run plays several times when he thought safety coverage was playing off the line. Fool me once….. I’m not saying Jay’s a bad QB and I know lots of people are hypersensitive to the whole Jay Cutler situation. He’s got a ton of upside and I’m thrilled to have him on my team, but in our two losses this season he played a key role in handing the other team the victory. Here’s the line that will draw the ire of every fan here; I’m not so sure we’re not 5-0 with Orton this season. He may not have the arm but he hasn’t been prone to the same mistakes. Maybe we don’t get the wins without Cutler’s cannon, but I’m not so sure we get the losses without the mental lapses and poor throws. I think Jay deserves some criticism for his poor handling of the offense in some key situations. Just my opinion, that’s all.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Oct 19, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop it now
With Orton we would be 2-3. We never come from behind against the seahawks or Steelers to win. Orton is great at 5-10 yrd throws which is all he has been doing over there. This is the first Qb we have had who makes me feel we are not out of the game ever. Did he have 2 bad throws for the night out of 38? yes, but he made a ton of great throws with a lot of pressure becuase of a bad oline. Do you notice the lack of three and outs we have now?? That rests the defense and allows them to hold a falcon team to 250 yards of offense. If orton were here we would be back at the bottom of the league in converting third downs and have a ton of three and outs wearing down our defense.
Roachy love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
by tfrabotta on Oct 19, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see the Denver v New England game?
Seems to me Orton orchestrated a pretty good comeback on that one. What about last years game vs Atlanta. Again Orton puts us in that game with a last second drive. All I’m saying is NO ONE wants to at least look at the role Cutler has played in our losses. Should just call him teflon on this site cause criticism just won’t stick. Culter is struggling to read safety coverage and occasionally make poor decisions. Just my opinion. Read Brad Biggs take on todays Sun Times titled “rapid Reaction….” I’d provide a link but I suck at that and just get all flustered. He has the same take I’m trying to convey. Again, I like Cutler, I just think he’s playing a role in our losses and no one wants to discuss it.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Oct 19, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you...
but I still believe the biggest cause of that lost was the very poor o-line play. Cutler’s bad plays and forte’s inability to rush all stems from the o-line’s inability to get any push whatsoever. I will say one thing though, I did not like Cutler’s attitude and body language at the end of the game. He looked and sounded like a little kid pouting during his post game interview.
by aznsensation on Oct 19, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but
Orton would be getting destroyed behind this Oline, and Cutler kept us in this game at the end too, he just couldnt punch it in on the last play
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by BearNecessities on Oct 19, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
for the Ints he threw which could’ve resulted in at least 6 points. Then, the offense would’ve only needed another FG to win at the end of the game. These Sunday night games are a cancer to Cutler.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Oct 19, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This will show my ignorance of the disease but your last statment me think of something
so I’ll ask the question to anyone who either has diabetes or is knowleadgeable about it. Is there anything about the increased exposure of the Sunday night games (or Monday Nights) that might cause a blood sugar imbalance that could affect him? Especially, since it was in the early stages in both night games when he performed poorly. Could there be anything to once the excitement has worn off he gets back to normal, such as performing better in the second half of those games?
He’s never been to the playoffs, so other than the much hyped “Night Games” there really isn’t a benchmark for higher pressure type of envirionments that Jay’s performed in.
I’m not trying to make excuses for him, but your comment made me think about the possibility.
by BearFan611 on Oct 19, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 30 yard run that Cutler made alone....
made that drive what it was…. Orton could NOT have made that happen!!! Not without injury!!!! Orton is in the PERFECT place for his skill set!!! Jay can make plays with his feet when the line comes crashing down like it does so often! Orton and the Bronco’s just so happen to get off to a better start because of their amazing defensive resurgence… But I see us only getting BETTER!!!
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Oct 20, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched the whole game
and everything was underneath with YAC tacked on. He was accurate but his success was due to NE being outcoached. 8 yrd outs for 92 yards and a TD. If the defense doesn’t adjust and let’s you dink and dunk all the way downfield then shame on them. What about last year’s game agasint Atlanta??Up until the last drive what had he done? Again, the guy made 2 bad throws out of 38, how many great throws did he make with guys in his face 10? The TD pass to Knox, the long completions to Clark and Olsen? He has share of it but Turner can account for a possible 14 points with the the 2 possessions inside the 5 with no points. Who was it that got us inside the 5?? Cutler that’s who..If Orton was here we would be 2-3 right now so we are a game up in my my opinion..
Roachy love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
by tfrabotta on Oct 19, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely understand
He also missed Knox on a pattern towards the sideline, which would’ve ended up as another TD pass. His two INTS cost the Bears at least 6 points, which would’ve allowed the offense to kick the game-winning FG at the end.
3 reasons for the loss-
1. poor, poor offense play
2. Cutler’s Ints
3. 2 blown assignments on defense (TDs allowed)
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Oct 19, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is kinda funny, but as a Green bay Fan I actually look to your Oline with admiration (shows you how little I think of our line and coaching). I know it is frusturating as hell to lose a game like that but I still like the direction of the Bears. 1) Johnny Knox is a helluva player and he is only a rookie coming from a d2 school. As a Green Bay Fan I am not looking forward to watching him line up against us. 2) Guys are missing 2 starting linebackers and still played a redhot Atlanta team down to the wire on the road. 3) A good quarterback and you always have a chance to win. Ignore all the fans who hate on him or what the Bears gave up. It was a great, great trade for the Bears. It adds stability to the franchise and now lets them address other areas.
by Sequoia on Oct 19, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dont you come down here
with all your positiveness!! ;)
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
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by BearNecessities on Oct 19, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL
I said it before and i say it again, The Packer’s fans on this message Board are nowhere even in the same vicinity as the cheesheads on Chicagobears.com. The ones on this board actually talk like they have gone past the 4th grade.
That being said, i can usually spot someone sneaking salt in the wounds and i’m so used to hearing from Pack Fans…kinda throws me off when we get encouragement from them lol.
by Chitownproduct on Oct 19, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol...
I do think getting a franchise quarterback makes all the difference in the world. It might not show up this year, but for the next 10 years you never have to go into an offseason worrying about that position. I think fans sometimes forget that only one team can win the Super Bowl and unfortunately with salary cap and 53 man roster their will be weakness on a roster (Lord Knows i have come to comprehend this with the weak state our O-line is in). I also think every loss is magnified with the Vikings continuing to pull out victories every week.
by Sequoia on Oct 19, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Me and my other friends always describe ourselves as “Milwaukee, pre-Farve Packer Fans”….. most cheeseheads jumped on the bandwagon during the mid 90s and I would also agree usually are pretty ignorant (look at me getting all high and mighty :)). Infact, I remember how I hated watching the ‘96 season around other people, coz they were just fake fans. So, I always understand those who crticize “cheeseheads” :))) Sorry..didn’t want to hijack the thread……getting back to the Bears….. Green Bay and the Bears both have glaring problems with the o-line. My question is, is it a league wide shortage in competant tackles? problem with coaching? We have the same problem (I would argue worse) that Rodgers almost gets killed every snap. Heck, we make every DE a few million dollars due to them having career nights against our tackles (Odom, Aguliye, Jared Allen.)
by Sequoia on Oct 19, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we overestimate
the talent our lines have. we signed pace, shuffled the whole line because of it, and then now stubbornly are sticking with it
we spent money on Pace, when williams probably would have done fine, and Omiyale would be doing better at RT, and then Beekman could be LG
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
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by BearNecessities on Oct 19, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you mean...
Ogunleye for Aguliye? lol… I pray to GOD we can afford to keep him at the end of the year… Gaines Adams or not… Wale is the ’ISH!!!!!
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Oct 20, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
our O-line is worse than the Packers right now. At least you guys have ran the ball fairly effectively, while the Bears can’t push a grandmother over.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i know what you mean about trolls……. I hate that message boards disintergrate with all ignorant trash-talk… i love football and I love Green bay. I want Green bay to win…but that doesn’t mean that I can’t acknowledge the positives of the Bears. And I do see many positives of the Bears going forward and have a great foundation for many years. Should be a great rivalry between Cutler and Rodgers hopefully for the next 10 years
by Sequoia on Oct 19, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
and the rivalry between the two looks amiable. They are friends off the field apparently.
with that said, GB is a good team, spelled by unlucky OL injuries and other such things. I hope you guys take a OL with your first pick next year if you want to keep Rodgers healthy. He’s a great player and I would hate to see him go down.
by Nih1lus on Oct 19, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah… i hate to see injuries with players.. ecspecially cornerstones (like Urlacher). And i share your desire for a Tackle with first pick…heck the first two picks :)))
I do think the Bears (and Packers for that matter) are very close to championship status. Few weakness on each side. But almost every team is beatable…except Drew Brees it seems
by Sequoia on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
bears and packers are close. we both have good foundations for building teams upon, and rivalry should be good for the next 10+ years. It has the potential to be the colts-pats rivalry of the next decade.
the saints got extremely lucky. Good D-coordinator, Darren Sharper came out of nowhere. And they built their offense around Brees and a good O-Line. heck, Pierre Thomas looks good behind that line, and he wasn’t exactly a top tier RB last year.
if you have a good foundation, the sky’s the limit.
by Nih1lus on Oct 19, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the GB Bears rivalry
07 when you went to the NFC championship, my roomate was a Packers fan, and he was mad all season, because we beat you twice. it didnt matter that they won the division, he felt like they lost… and i think we’ve gotten away from that in recent times
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by BearNecessities on Oct 19, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah me too…… and Unfortunately it seems like we were never both good at the same time. When green bay was tough Chicago had a down year and vice verce. The opening game this year… it was soo exciting leading up to the game. Our rematch will be even better as both teams look to be in wild card hunt..or hopefully divison lead if Minnesota ever stumbles. It will be great having both teams good….the rivalry will be elevated (can you imagine a playoff matchup???). Anywyas…. Good luck to you guys and look forward to having some more converstaions. Stay helathy!!!
by Sequoia on Oct 19, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you too
looking forward to it!
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
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by BearNecessities on Oct 19, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
That is why I never understood the crticism of the Cutler trade. If you can get a Franchise Quarterback….you do it. Draft Picks are only potential, no sure thing. Obviously you don’t want to give up your whole draft, but look at the situation the Bears are in now. Franchise Quarterback. Looks to be an apparent Pro-Bowl wide reciver in Johnny Knox. Are there other issues? Of course, every team has them. But it is much easier to find a guard, than a quarterback. With Cutler, you are in everygame. Thats all you can ask for as a fan. Knowing that every year you will have the chance to win every game. Also agree about the o-line…. need an O-line…or at least not a terrible O-line like the Packers and to a lesser extent the Bears. It will be very interesting to see the Marinneli effect on Gaines Adams. For my sake, I hope it isn’t too great :))))) But, as an outsider, it really is enjoyable to watch Johnny Knox. I remember in the first game when he beat Woodson deep, I was thinking ah just lucky. But every game he makes a play. So just think of him as the other first rounder you gave up for Cutler :))) Got your big play reciever and QB in 1 year…tough to argue against that
by Sequoia on Oct 19, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is why I never understood the crticism of the Cutler trade. If you can get a Franchise Quarterback….you do it.
Amen. Any Bears fan who claims that we weren’t looking with envy at old #4 for oh so many years is living in lalaland.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
by Spongie on Oct 19, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing the blame game may feel therapeutic after an ugly loss...
…but let’s face it, the roster probably will not be changing much if at all prior to the end of the season, nor will the coaching staff. While I would agree with a number of assessments (such as we definitely need new blood in the OL) we have a lot more to work with this season than a number of teams in the league.
We’re not among the Superbowl favorites, but I point out Tennessee, Tampa Bay, St. Louis, Washington, Kansas City, Detroit, Cleveland, and Buffalo as examples of teams who have a lot more to worry about than we do. This team isn’t hopeless.
by Kyle75 on Oct 19, 2009 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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