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Are the Bears getting out-coached?

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After Sunday night's painful loss in Atlanta, I found myself questioning the abilities of the Bears coaching staff once again. The Bears had two weeks to prepare for that game, yet they littered the field with penalties and blunders which ultimately cost them a chance at victory. Three of the biggest coaching mistakes in that game are flat out inexcusable.

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1. The Roddy White TD - The Bears were caught out of position when 3 receivers were covered by only 2 defenders. The Falcons had two wideouts and TE Tony Gonzalez lined up in trips right at the LOS, and Gonzalez was MLB Nick Roach's responsibility. The Bears were running a safety blitz, and outnumbered in coverage. No timeout was called on the field by Roach... and, no timeout was called from the sidelines either. The result: Matt Ryan threw an quick screen to Roddy White, who was uncovered with two blockers, and ran for one of the easiest TDs you'll ever see in the NFL.

2. The no-huddle - The Bears defense was caught off guard by a no-huddle attack, and the Falcons finished a 12-play drive in the first half that ended with a Tony Gonzalez TD. Gonzalez was wide open in the back of the endzone, where MLB Nick Roach once again failed to cover him. When asked by reporters after the game about the Falcons no-huddle offense, Love Smith said they were unprepared for it, even though Matt Ryan said they've used the no-huddle a lot this season when he was asked a similar question. It was later discussed the the Falcons used the no-huddle very often vs New England earlier in the season. So, the Bears had two weeks to prepare for it, and were unprepared? Hmmmm... go figure.

3. Twelve men on the field - For the second time this year on Sunday Night Football, the Bears found themselves in a numbers crunch. The first time this happened, in Green Bay, the Bears were punting in the 4th quarter from their own 26 yard line with a 12-10 lead. When they thought the Packers had too many men on the field, they ran a fake to try an take advantage of a "free play." But, they were wrong, lost a challenge and a timeout, and turned it over on downs at their own 30 yard line. The Packers kicked a field goal to take a 13-12 lead.

This time, in the 4th quarter once again, the Bears had just forced the Falcons to punt on a 4th and 4 from the Bears 36 yard line. But, 12 men on the field gave the Falcons a 1st down at the Bears 31 in the 4th quarter with a 14-7 lead. Thankfully, Matt Ryan was intercepted by Nathan Vasher at the Bears 7 yard line on the very next play.

When I reflect on those 3 things... I sit here and scratch my head.

Then, I start to think of some other concerns that raise my eyebrow.

The Bears blitz
Over the past two seasons, the Bears have blitzed more than almost every team in the NFL.

Per Dan Pompei, on Sep 27th:

Last year, they blitzed on 34 percent of their opponents' drop-backs. This year, with coach Lovie Smith handling the defensive play-calling for the first time, they have blitzed on 45 percent of their opponents' drop-backs.

Only six teams -- the Jets, Bills, Steelers, Browns, Cowboys and Cardinals -- have run more blitzes than the Bears this season. And of those, only the Bills and Cardinals operate out of a four-man front as the Bears do.

I also remember it being documented that the Bears led the NFL in blitz % last season... although I can't find a source.

Sunday night vs the Falcons was no exception. The Bears blitzed Matt Ryan repeatedly in that game, however they failed to register a single sack or QB hit. Ryan's jersey never even touched the ground. When a team blitzes that many times, you'd figure they would eventually get to the QB... right? But, the Bears blitzes over the past several years have been practically useless... which raises another coaching question: Why? 

Leading the league in blitz % in 2008, the Bears ranked 22nd in the league with 28 sacks. So far this season, the Bears have vastly improved their pass rush with 14 sacks... however, 10 of them are from defensive lineman. Why aren't the blitzers actually getting to the QB?

Talent has underachieved on the Bears, and excelled on other teams

Players come and go... and sometimes perform better on other teams. I get it... it's just the way it is. However, in the Bears case, there's a long list piling up. These players have had limited success as a Bear, and have left Chicago and prospered in other places. And, when you break it down... you wonder why they aren't achieving this success in Chicago?

It's not like the Bears have lacked talent... this list is proof. 

QB Kyle Orton (traded) - Has led the Broncos to a 6-0 start and has a QB rating of 100.1

RB Thomas Jones (traded) - Led the AFC in rushing in 2008 with the Jets, and is currently #5 in the NFL in rushing yards

RB Cedric Benson (released) - The former #1 pick is experiencing a revival as a Bengal, and is currently #3 in the NFL in rushing yards

WR Justin Gage (released) - Led the Titans in receiving in 2007 & 2008, and is starting for them again in '09

WR Bobby Wade (released) - Led the Vikings in receiving in 2007, and is still in the league as the #3 WR for the Chiefs

WR Mark Bradley (released) - Is the 2nd leading WR for the Chiefs, and in 16 total games for Kansas City, has 45 catches for 557 yards & 4 TDs... nearly equaling his total output with the Bears in a span of 34 games over 4 seasons.

S Chris Harris (traded) - Has been the starting SS for the Panthers for 3 seasons, and led the league with 8 forced fumbles in 2007.

T Mark Colombo (released) - The former #1 pick, who battled knee injuries with the Bears, has started 53 consecutive games for the Cowboys at RT

FB Lousaka Polite (released) - He joined the Bears after 3 years in Dallas, and has been the starting FB for the Miami Dolphins for the past 2 seasons

It pains me to say it, but the evidence is stacking up here against Lovie Smith and his staff. Maybe it's a narrow-minded view, since my eyes are focused so much more on the Bears, than the rest of the NFL as a comparison.  But, the overall picture sure doesn't look too good.

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How would you grade the Bears coaching staff?
A: Great: They give the team a very strong competitive advantage
14 votes
B: Good: They are sometimes a step ahead, but usually pretty even with the opposition
149 votes
C: Average: They don't make or break the team
266 votes
D: Below average: They get out-coached way too often
498 votes
F: Bad: They are always unprepared
82 votes

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Wish there were a B minus choice

About even, but sometimes half a step slower than I like.

IOW… like the rest of the team.

Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave

by Allie on Oct 20, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I went with a B, but Sunday night I would have went D

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 20, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

so does that average out to

Week 1:A
Week 2:A
Week 3:A
Week4: A
Week6: D
=B?

by TrialsBass on Oct 20, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I get sick of the constant calls for Lovie’s head and all this Shannahan talk.

If Lovie’s record ends up even or negative, I’ll start getting annoyed, but the man has a winning record with the Chicago Bears. The last couple seasons have been rough, but I can’t blame that squarely on the coaches’ shoulders.

by Virto on Oct 20, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your out of your mind

who is ultimatly responsible for the play calls and the development of the player……THE HEAD COACH! you people that like lovie(for some reason) keep bringing up his record. Let me remind you of how many games we have won in his first few years from last minute scores. Lets not talk about that because a win is a win, but when was the last time we developed a player. Bottom line, lovie came in and brought shitty help, have you seen our QB coach Pep Hamilton? U have to be shitting me, this guy looks like lovie’s little cousin, and he’s susspose to help Cutler. HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Turner’s play calling – need I say more, and lovie still does nothing about it.
Hell id rather lovie take over offensive play calling.
Babich – nothing to say there either

lovie and crew are out coached and bottom line, cannot utilize or develop a player. I mean really, do we have any identity to our football team? A hard nose defense that comes off the bus running? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Sure if u like the worst blitzing defense with a weak secondary and an o-line that sucks at run blocking? we got nothing, we DO have talent, but we don’t have anyone to utilize it.

by stumpo on Oct 20, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because we're 3-2 instead of 2-3

I give them a D. I thought I was the only one who felt like Lovie is maybe just Angelo’s pet. He just always looks kinda rattled at any teams no huddle offense. Any audible by the other team. If it is a case of Angelo pulling the strings “behind the scenes” that’s a big problem. A head coach has got to lead his team and make the on the field decisions. Angelo needs to stay behind the scenes where he’s supposed to be.

by Big Ike on Oct 21, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have been wondering for a while now...

How much of Lovie’s decisions are made based on what Jerry Angelo wants.

I would like to think that Lovie had full autonomy with his coaching decisions, but I can see Angelo being a little more involved than it seems.

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Oct 20, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Example please

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 20, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vasher over Bowman game one is a good example. All about dollars and just makes no cents (sense)

Same with Omiyale over Beekman. And last year Lovies boy Dvoracek and Harrison over Adams when Adams was clearly playing the best ball.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Oct 20, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure

about Vasher, cause I think everyone wanted to see if he had his mojo back. I agree with the others though.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 20, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you went to Training Camp at all youd know that Bowman was playing wayyyyyyy better than Tillman

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Oct 21, 2009 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Oct 21, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vasher yea Fd that one up didnt I, but hey Tillman did look good driving around the gatorade cart.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Oct 21, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orton

“leads” the 05 bears to a 10-5 record

“rex is our quarterback” for the next 3 seasons

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
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by BearNecessities on Oct 20, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orton was terrible in 05 and likely wouldn't have gotten the team to the Super Bowl like Rex did in 06

Obviously, he’s the better QB now, but that doesn’t necessarily apply to the past

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Oct 20, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rex

certainly didn’t get us into the SB…

the question was about the decision making on GM influencing Coach’s choice… not past or present, so it applies just fine to this thread

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
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by BearNecessities on Oct 20, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor choice of words on my part

I don’t believe Rex “got the team to the Super Bowl.” However, his strong start to the season certainly contributed to the team locking up home field advantage which surely helped them get to the Super Bowl. Further, it was only over the 07 season that “Rex is our quarterback” was truly an issue. Rex started out terribly, never recovered, but Lovie did move to both Griese and Orton during the course of the season. Last year was all Orton and would have remained that way if not for his injury. I don’t see how the handling of Rex is a clear indictment of Lovie making personnel decisions based off of Angelo wanting to protect his ego.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Oct 20, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

then look no further

than Nathan Vasher still having a job, and starting against GB, or the Omiyale experiment currently

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.

by BearNecessities on Oct 21, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Omiyale's a fair complaint

Vasher started against GB because Bowman was injured. He deservedly lost his starting job. Lovie’s been the coach since 2004 with Angelo in charge the entire time. If this was truly an issue, I’d think there’d be more evidence. If anything, Lovie’s been pretty quick to make changes. He’s never been afraid to give rookies a prominent role and bench once solid contributors when they’ve lost a step. Maybe it hasn’t been as quickly as we’d all like, but compared to most other NFL coaches, it’s been at the speed of light.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Oct 21, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lovie gets a B because I think he is doing a great job calling defensive plays this year overall.

Ron Turner gets a flat out F. The guy is awful and really the root of our offensive woes for the past several years.

by brands735 on Oct 20, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

After we finish this season 9-7 or 8-8 (I am praying and rooting for better), we should give Lovie one more year to make the playoffs but fire Ron Turner immediately. I blame the OL for most of our offensive struggles this year, but with the weapons this team has on that side of the ball they should still be performing MUCH better. Especially when you look the offense’s overall finish in the standings since Turner has been here, it is completely unacceptable. They need to turn it around ASAP

Football players, like prostitutes, are in the business of ruining their bodies for the pleasure of strangers. -Merle Kessler

by MauryBufordSF on Oct 20, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is a bit inaccurate
Sunday night vs the Falcons was no exception. The Bears blitzed Matt Ryan repeatedly in that game, however they failed to register a single sack or QB hit. Ryan’s jersey never even touched the ground. When a team blitzes that many times, you’d figure they would eventually get to the QB… right? But, the Bears blitzes over the past several years have been practically useless… which raises another coaching question: Why?

The blitz was very effective vs. Ryan. He ended up with only 185 yds passing and sub-par rating. Minus the two screw-ups by Roach, he might have had zero TDs as well. Sacks don’t always tell the whole story when it coincides with blitzing.

Lovie should have never admitted they weren’t prepared for the no-huddle, especially when there’s significant game-film on them running it against the Pats. He got severely out coached in both losses this year.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 20, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're spot on about the effectiveness of the blitzing

According to Football Outsiders, the Bears were not only the most frequently blitzing team last season but also the most effective when doing so.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Oct 20, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's definitely doing a good job mixing it up

Ryan has such a quick release and decision-making process that it’s very difficult to get to him.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 20, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I read the title of the post I thought it was trick question

This has been happening since the Super Bowl. Take into consideration the lack of pro experience coaches on the staff, the release of Ron Rivera, the annointing of Mark Anderson over Alex Brown, the blind loyalty to Rex Grossman, lack of tackling in training camp and practices and having that translate into games, losing the “toughness” that has always defined the Bears,etc., etc.

Now go into game decisions, the games last season that were lost in the closing minutes, his career record on replay challenges, coming out flat in big games regularly, teams unprepared after the bye week, lack of adjustments during the game, etc., etc

And, as you so clearly showed, not developing talent to it’s fullest.

This is not a good coaching staff and, in my opinion, the Bears will never get to the next level with them.

by BearFan611 on Oct 20, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

They lost me at: “Rex Grossman is our quarterback.” Not all moves are as much of a horror show as that one, but in my opinion there’s not going back from that.

And there have been at least 1,000 examples since then (the squib in Atlanta last year, The Steve Smith Incident in the playoffs several years ago, etc., etc., etc.) that I feel back up my assertion that Love Smith is a C coach. He’s not a D or an F. That’s Jim Zorn/Rich Kottite territory. But he’s right at a C or C- with other sorry-asses like Wade Phillips, Norv Turner, etc. They have a lot of respect and a lot of knowledge, but then it comes down to it they just suck.

And here’s a stat for you: Chicago is 2-7 against the spread after a bye week over the last several years. I like to use ATS over straight win-loss because ATS accounts for expectations vs. actual results.

So it shouldn’t be at all surpris

by BF_Phantom on Oct 21, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

Count me as a guy who thinks Lovie has actually done a decent job. Here’s a guy who’s calling the defense and coaching this year. He’s having to coach a team without his second best player on defense, and coach 3rd stringers on defense. Deal with a bad O-Line and new parts on offense. Yet I still I feel like the defense has played decent up to this point of the season.

I heard all week that the Bears were playing a superior team in the Falcons and in my opinion the Bears played well enough to win. Were there mistakes? Yes. But I feel they still had a chance to win and the mistakes that cost them the game weren’t all coaching moves. I wonder if the Atlanta fans think Mike Smith was out coached seeing how they only scored 21pts and they totally got away from running that successful 2-minute offense.

The Bears are 3-2 and to me have a good chance to get to 5-2 maybe even 6-2 if they handle business over the next 3 weeks which gives them a good chance to be a playoff team this year. Lovie went to a Superbowl, went 5-11 and 9-7 in the last 2 seasons. All considered, I think the guy is doing a good job.

by Dils on Oct 20, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes but

The reason Lovie is calling the D’s plays is because he booted Rivera and brought in his buddy Bob (who should have been replaced this year). The Bears D is doing fine because their 3rd stringers play reasonably well.

The offensive coaches are all a joke. The Bears have rapidly declined as a running team, and they can’t make the best of a talented QB and decent and/or good WRs and TEs.

They look unprepared quite a bit and make some bad personnel decisions Let’s remember that Lovie’s D gave up 21pts to the LIONS in the first HALF before he “made adjustments,” and Omiyale=Not A Starter, I don’t care what you paid him.

Marinelli gets a B+ from me Toub gets an A- (lets hope the Falcons game was a fluke), everyone else seems fairly incompetent, Lovie included. As the head coach he’s responsible for the defense and offense.

This is not a franchise that is in the process of “rebuilding”. We made big trades to win now and are not a playoff caliber team (not that we won’t make the play offs, I just don’t see us being competitive in the postseason if we get in). That is why the coaching staff deserves the D I gave them…

by TrialsBass on Oct 20, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 12 men on the field thing

That was supposedly caused by confusion over Pisa being out of the game. Two guys thought they were supposed to be on the field. Either way, that’s on Dave Toub’s watch, and Toub is considered one of the best ST coaches out there. This was an anomaly, and I don’t think it should be used against the staff.

Anyway, that ex-Bears list just seems like cherrypicking to me. I don’t mean to anything negative about you by saying that, SM. I just think that the situations and circumstances need to be discussed when talking about those players. A lot of them had no use here and a lot just had to be let go (Benson, ahem). Bradley was NEVER healthy, either. To be blunt, that’s a mediocre list of players who have found better situations to be in (not necessarily better teams, though).

Anyway, I give Lovie and the staff a B. I think a lot of us fans think this team is more talented than it is and think the coaches don’t factor much into the success at all.

by jake1823 on Oct 20, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Totally about the Toub’s thing. He has been an awesome ST coach. I also think Lovie has been a good coach. The problem i see is on the offense. Is Ron Turner a lovie guy or an Angelo guy? From everything i have read or watched about Angelo he seems like the type of GM hat would want a saya in the coordinators and with lovie being a Def specialized HC maybe he went with the guy his boss wanted.
    My question is this, assuming we give lovie the benfit of the doubt and keep him. Who would be a good Replacement for OC. Or does anyone think we just need a better O-line coach? Me personally i think Ron Turner’s play calling is horrible.

by Jhitt81 on Oct 20, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding the list...

There’s nothing cherrypicked. It’s a simple equation: form a list of players who have left the Bears and made big impacts as a starter on other teams.

And, sure… Benson was a problem child here, and had to be released for on the field and off the field issues. But, who’s fault is that? Isn’t that partially the fault of the coaching staff for not getting the most out of a talented player? For not guiding and teaching the player?

As for Bradley, he was healthy and buried on the bottom of the depth chart when we released him… when our WR group consisted of Booker, Lloyd, and Hester. The Chiefs picked him up and he became a starter there within a couple of weeks. Unreal.

We traded away Chris Harris, and have been drafting replacements for him over and over again.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 20, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

and i was always a fan of bradley, and wondered why he never saw the field (when healthy)

and Chris Harris not only played well for us, he plays extremely well in Carolina, and is a huge fan favorite down there… BIG time loss by us.

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by BearNecessities on Oct 20, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Biggest losses

Berrian, Bradley, Harris, Columbo, and TJ.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 20, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Benson

And, sure… Benson was a problem child here, and had to be released for on the field and off the field issues. But, who’s fault is that? Isn’t that partially the fault of the coaching staff for not getting the most out of a talented player? For not guiding and teaching the player?
-——————-

This isn’t college football. This is a paid professional sports player. He should be guided anymore.

And the Chiefs aren’t good. Their WR talent? Not good. The FA WR pool? Not good. What’s my point? Bradley is not good. This season, so far, he’s averaging just under 30 yds a game. And that’s as the #2 WR. He’s bad there and he’d be bad here.

And we had troubles with the safety position even with Harris here. Chris Harris wasn’t the magic fix.

All I’m saying is that’s a bunch of mediocre players on that list.

by jake1823 on Oct 20, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand the need to bash the coaching staff.

Look the Bears lost a close game because of miscues and mistakes. It happens. I think that everytime we lose a game, everyone is way to quick to cry doom and gloom.

The facts are simple. The Bears have won more games in the last few years than any NFC Team other than the Giants. After the last couple of games, everyone was putting Lovie on a pedastal because of his halftime adjustments.

I agree that coaching plays a significant role in how a team performs, but the players make much more of a difference. It was not coaching that made future Hall of Famer Orlando Pace false start on a 4th and 1. It was not coaching that made Cedric Benson get busted for 2 Alcohol related incidences. It was not coaching that shredded Marc Columbos knee.

Of all the examples that you have listed, I don’t see a single one that relates to coaching. I do personally think that our coaches are not the best at player development, but I think that the assitants brought in this year should change that.

I think that the problems with our Defense being out of position have more to do with the adjustments made by our on field signal caller. We are on our third middle linebacker with Nick Roach and he does not benefit from the wealth of on field experience that Urlacher and Hillenmyer offer. Give him some time. It will be worked out.

I personally feel that we have the best Special Teams Coaching in the league. I think that Marinelli will prove his worth on the D Line. The rest of our coaches are not necessarily the best, but more than adequate.

by sheepskinz1 on Oct 20, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you watching these games...

How do you explain continual running behind the worst LG in football?

How do you explain the best WR on the other team uncovered?

Look at the list of players that succeed elsewhere.

You are correct in saying it’s not all on the coaches, but if your decisions were this bad at your job you would be fired; unless you forecast the weather.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 20, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have absolutely missed the point...

Doesn’t the length of the list give you pause? Fine, any one player may be explained away, but how many more players will this coaching staff fail to develop before it is a problem? How can so many different coaches have success with these players? Yes, other teams lose players to FA and trades, but the Bears got almost nothing for many of these players.

But personnel decisions aside, have you noted the disarray and poor organization week after week? The Falcons offense changed their game plan after multiple punts and found success. The Bears did not adapt well until after the grace of halftime and surrendered 14 points. Players miss assignments and mistakes do happen and other teams actually have talented players and coaches. No team is perfect. But you say Lovie’s successes are his lack of complete failures. Did Lovie’s coaching make Mare or Reed miss FGs? You say the arrow is pointing upward, so then tell me how?

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 20, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you missed the point
Doesn’t the length of the list give you pause? Fine, any one player may be explained away

a list that allegedly proves a point, but contains items that don’t belong on a list explaining that point, is invalid.

i can make a 30 page list if that would impress you, but if its all wrong it doesn’t really matter.

by mike b on Oct 21, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW...

I wasn’t trying to make this personal, I was trying to point out how disorganized and unprepared the team “looked”, not your personal viewing of the game. Lastly, I’ll turn your argument back on the original post question:

Is Lovie out-coaching his opponents? I don’t see much evidence of that.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 20, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great breakdown.

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by smudgers on Oct 21, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bears have won more games in the last few years than any NFC Team other than the Giants

however, we have failed to make the playoffs when the Giants haven’t… wonder why? Coaching.

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by BearNecessities on Oct 20, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are we really going to blame everything on coaching?

making the playoffs has a LOT to do with the other teams in your division/conference. Teams with 8-8 or 9-7 records make the playoffs based on a myriad of tiebreakers, not because one team’s coach is better than another team’s.

by Puppet on Oct 20, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not everything...

just the parts where the coaching was bad. Making the playoffs has MORE to do with beating the teams in your division and/or conference. Beating other teams has a LOT to do with developing talent and out smarting your opponent. Hence, the coaching part.

Look, I don’t hang all of the losses and bad play on the coaches, but I look for this team to perform better than it has and address the areas where the team has performed poorly. There is nothing wrong with stating that the team looked and played in a disorganized manner, especially considering they had 2 full weeks to prepare. But ask yourself this question, where are Bears improving?

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 20, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the part i didnt get

was how bearnecessities pointed out that the bears and giants won similar amounts of games, meaning both teams’ coaches outsmarted and beat a similar amount of opponents, yet the giants made the playoffs more because of coaching. they made the playoffs more because a couple years they happened to beat the right teams and win the wild card. that doesnt make their coaches better

that said, i agree that there are weak spots on our team that need to be fixed and theres no excuse for failing so badly against the no-huddle offense. you can play the blame game but… im a half-glass full kind of guy, and until the coaches prove to me that they really are incompetent, im sticking behind them. after all, if it werent for lovie smith, we wouldnt have the best d-line and special teams coaches in the league :D

by Puppet on Oct 21, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still say that the inability to shut down the no-huddle offense

had more to do with inexperience than coaching. Roach is filling in for HH who was filling in for Urlacher. He looked lost at times out there. If he continues to have problems reading the offense as time goes on, than absolutely I would pin that on coaching, but there is a learning curve to account for. I think that overall, Roach has done an admirable job filling in, but he did seem lost at times during this game.

The key is wether or not he improves with more playing time. Both Urlacher and Hillenmyer have tons of in game experience. Roach does not and he has been forced into this roll due to injuries. Coaching or lack there of does not account for injuries.

I don’t claim that lovie and co are the best coaching staff in the league. There is only 1 team that can make that claim. I do however think that the moves made this offseason have made our coaching staff much better. It makes no sense to me to blow the whole thing up now and start over. I believe that Marinelli will greatly improve our line play but it is not going to happen over night. I do beleive that Babich is a solid LB Coach, but a terrible DC. I do think that we have the best Special Teams coach in Babich in the league.

I am not sold on Ron Turner and would not mind seeing a new OC next year, but I also do not think that he is as bad as most. We have a special QB in Cutler, and up and coming receiving corps, and 3 solid TE’s. If a move is going to be made, sooner would be better than later so that continuity can be established with the new regime. Lovie however, should stay. He has continuosly fielded a competitive team since his first few years.

by sheepskinz1 on Oct 21, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inexperience was what I thought, as well

And that’s the vibe that I got from Collinsworth when he was calling the game. Roach just wasn’t calling plays right.

by jake1823 on Oct 21, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not looking to hang blame on Lovie...

for the sake of shaming him or trying to make myself feel great, I am trying to be critical about where the problems may lie. I don’t care who gets blamed for what. I appreciated Wale’s blog that had him saying:

I made too many mistakes in this game. I am sure if you spoke to the rest of the team they would say the same thing but for the sake of this blog I will focus on myself and myself alone.

As a leader I needed to show up. I needed to find a way to make at least one big play. Sunday night, that didn’t happen. So, if anyone is looking for the guy to blame, blame me.

I accept full responsibility and vow to get this corrected. I will watch the film, eat the criticism and move on. I view this loss as a hiccup, very annoying but it won’t kill our season.

He didn’t say things were OK or look at how good I was in ‘06. He took it like a man and accepted responsibility. Why? Because it shows that being prepared is not just planning ahead, but looking back at what happened. If there are good or bad elements, you take them as a guide to rectify them in the future. People who simply make excuses for why the failures weren’t really that bad tend not to correct their mistakes and continue to have only partial success or outright failure. I don’t expect the Bears to win every game or even make the playoffs every year. But what I am not seeing is the “arrow pointing upward”. No one on this thread has shown me how the Bears have improved their play anywhere but the D-line. That isn’t all on the coaches, but it remains their responsibility nonetheless.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 21, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The arrow is pointing up because...

We have one of the best young QB’s in the game today. We have an up and coming WR corps. We have 2 young TE’s (Olsen & Davis) that have not yet reached their potential. We have a young Running Back who is strong in all areas (Running, Catching, Blocking).

We made significant upgrades to our coaching staff this offseason and I am not just referring to Marinelli. Moving Babich back to the LB Coach, adding Marinelli and Hoke were also solid moves.

Our Offensive Coaching staff has taken a lot of heat for years now. I feel that Ron Turner has not had a full deck to play with until maybe this year. With some time to work out the kinks in a potentially explosive offense he may just come through.

We will be handicapped in the draft and possibly Free Agency next year depending on the CBA, but the tools are there for this to be a playoff team for years to come.

I am not saying that we will be the next New England Patriots or Pittsburgh Steelers, but we will be much better than we have since the late 80’s. That to me sir is a big fat arrow pointing up.

by sheepskinz1 on Oct 21, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fist off...

The Bears have Cutler. The best talent the Bears have ever had at QB. That is a plus. The WRs on the roster are good, but not great. Hester and Knox are good #2/#3 type slot receivers that can get separation with their speed. Bennett is an adequate second WR, but the Bears still lack a true #1 that can demand double coverage by his size and skill. The TEs may get better, but 3 years in and Olsen still doesn’t run good routes and drops way too many passes for his abilities. K Davis hasn’t played enough to make any real assessment, yet he’s probably got the most upside. You can say what you want about Forte, but he lacks the strength to get it done between the tackles. He’s a slasher type like Westbrook, get him in space and he can excel. Also he’s a good blocker and perhaps the second best receiver on this team. However, the Bears lack any kind of a short yardage back and don’t seem to want one. Finally the O-line is absolutely awful. The 2 best players are also in the twilight of their careers and peak effectiveness. You have a good RG (getting older) and a LG that makes Metcalf look like a pro-bowler. Finallly, they have a right tackle that might be OK enough to be an adequate LT, but who knows.

To sum up the offensive talent; elite QB, 2 great slot-type WRs with a glaring need for a prime target to compliment them, TEs that may have talent, but we just haven’t seen it yet (but it is coming, really soon), one slasher type RB with no ability to gain yardage between the tackles but a great receiver and pass blocker, and an offensive line that is aged and lacking in talent. Needs: starting guard, center and tackle; short yardage RB, true #1 WR. Number of pro bowl talents? 1 or maybe 2.

Now the defense. Average talent at the DT spots and slightly above average talent at the DE spots. 1 or 2 elite LBs and solid depth across the LB corps. Marginal CB talent, often injured and lacking in quality depth. 2 above average strong safeties and serious needs at free safety and/or nickel. No discernible depth at DB. Needs: FS, DT, DE, CB. pro-bowlers? 1 or 2. Biggest issues are the age/health at MLB, age/health at DT/DE, and injuries/talent at CB.

This is a recipe for mediocrity. The defense is aging and the depth of talent has become shallow due to poor personnel moves. To be a serious playoff contender, this team needs about 5-7 player/position upgrades and a massive change of the offensive coaching staff. What elite talent is on this team; Cutler, Briggs, maybe Urlacher if he’s healthy. Who else? There are too many holes to fill to say:


That to me sir is a big fat arrow pointing up.

Not just positive signs, but a big fat arrow pointing upwards. What was that about extremism again?

I think there is a nucleus of talent on offense, but I find it hard to see how the O-line will get better before the defense is just too old to stay healthy enough to complete a season. By the time the offensive pieces are in place, say 2 years, the defense will be 2 years older, not 2 years better. The poor drafting of the last 4 seasons have left too many holes to fill without spending a ton of money on FAs. Do you see the Bears spending money on lots of FA talent? Not likely.

I have been watching the Bears since the 70s and I have seen this team struggle to put together a consistent winning team for longer than 2 seasons. I care a great deal and I have spent most of my life wondering why the Bears can never quite get it together. I though the ‘06 Bears would be that team, but they were not and now it’s 3 years later and they are no closer to the playoffs than they were in ‘07. I do see better things ahead for this team, but the Bears organization will have to make some bold moves to get it done. The bold moves it hasn’t made in many years. I hope the Cutler trade is a true paradigm shift for the management, but this season is slipping away quickly and we need to be realistic about what needs to improve. Some players will have to elevate their play, some players may have to go, some coaches may have to be fired. You do not improve by staying the course if the course is a bad one. The first step is admitting you have a problem! Then you can set about fixing the problems.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 21, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well stated but...

you are almost sort of agreeing with me while still disagreeing.

“I do see better things ahead for this team, but the Bears organization will have to make some bold moves to get it done.”

I am not trying to make the argument that the Bears are going to be the toast of the league. I am simply stating that I think the pieces are in place for this team to consistantly compete for a play off spot. As far as I am concerned this would be a significant improvement over the last 15-20 years. This is what I mean by the arrow is pointing up.

Your breakdown of our offense lists more weapons than I have seen on this team since the late 80’s. Sure our O-Line needs some work, but there is a lot of talent on this side of the ball.

I don’t see the defense returning to its form of the 06 season anytime soon, however, I don’t think that we need them to. We have had the best special teams unit in the league over the last several years. This will continue as long as we have Taub running the show. Our Offense should be able to hold its own and not rely on the D to win games week in and week out.

This most recent post of yours also seems to contradict your original argument about coaching. You cite a number of personnel problems with our team and poor drafting. If our team were really as bad off as you state then our coaches must be doing one hell of a job to be 3-2.

Lastly I would like to say that I have enjoyed debating this topic with you. I read this site almost daily but rarely contribute myself. Often times these debates come across sounding like a couple of 13 year olds arguing, but your comments are well thought out and well put together. I happen to disagree with your stance, but respect your argument.

by sheepskinz1 on Oct 21, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put...

we do fundamentally agree about this team. Honestly, I do like the debate as well. Understand that I do not take it personally. Like you stated, some commentary can be a bit juvenile, even from me at times. You know I have debated both the failure of management and coaching and I am not certain I can pin it on one, the other or both. Do know that my criticism of this team is some small way for me to hope that the debate sparks something in this team. I am truly a longtime fan and I wish this team nothing but continued success. Thanks for keeping me honest.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 21, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the giants have been fortunate to win the wild card with 8-8 and 9-7 records

the bears havent. being opportunistic has nothing to do with coaching

by Puppet on Oct 20, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to worry

you wont have to worry about getting out-coached this Sunday. The only good coach we have is Zimmer our defensive coach. So dont worry about being out-coached, just out-played

CB85......Collaros for Heisman

by TennBengalfan on Oct 20, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow that stings!...

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by LostInSTL on Oct 20, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

Prediction: Benson = 47 yards on 19 carries

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by BearNecessities on Oct 20, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suffers from a bruised ego

relapses in self-absorption, and Texas-sized mayhem!

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 20, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

post game:

has Alcohol related incident
while being arrested is quoted saying “Told you Chicago would miss me”

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.

by BearNecessities on Oct 20, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats harsh

is that you Mike Brown?

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by TennBengalfan on Oct 21, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO it doesn't matter anyway...

If the Bears continue to miss the playoffs, then the coaches have to be held responsible. Listen, Tony Dungy failed in TB, but he had success in Indy. Maybe a coaching change is less about the ability of the coaches to teach or pick talent and more about their ability to motivate their players to do well. Look at Marinelli. He did not win a game last year as a HC in Detroit, yet he has motivated a failing D-line to have more success for the Bears. Sometimes a change of scenery is what’s needed.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 20, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Does anyone else wish we could make Lovie our defensive coordinator and we bring in a new HC? I love the guy on defensive calls, but his lack of emotion really takes away from our team’s intensity.

by brands735 on Oct 20, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nicely put...

yes, I do agree. I actually like Lovie as a DC. Kinda’ like Nolan in SF. Nolan is a terrible HC but a great defensive mind. Or Marinelli in Detroit. Just like players, coaches need to have the right fit for their skills.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 20, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with all of this

I think the Bears have just run their course under Lovie. Its time for new leadership. Lovie could very go on be succesful somewhere else. But the Bears are starting to show signs of a team that lacks of discipline and don’t play with an edge. Every year we are a 7-9 to 10-6 team. I think we have the talent for more.

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 20, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah right...

because Mike Singletary’s emotions really helped the 49ers while they getting their doors blown off a week ago 45-10 by Atlanta.

You don’t really believe that a coach’s “emotions” has anything to do with intensity of the club and wins and losses do you? If that’s the case then why aren’t you giving Lovie credit for his halftime rant during the Lions game where supposedly he went off on the team and they came out the second half and dominated the Lions? All Lovie needs to do is make the right calls and make sure the team is prepared to play on Sunday.

by Dils on Oct 21, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Considering the way

SF’s defense has been playing this year (very aggressive) I would say Singletary has had a positive effect on SF. SF doesn’t have that much talent, but they are playing on pure heart. Singletary is getting everything and more out of that team.

by brands735 on Oct 21, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you think it's because he has the fire and the passion, right?

It has nothing to do with the fact that he might know how to coach…?

by jake1823 on Oct 21, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t say he didn’t know how to coach. I think his fire and passion is what is driving his coaching.

How do you think Lovie gives a pep talk before the game: “Okay guys, well, I think we should go out there, and play some football and do a good job. So lets do that today. Okay good.” Where as Singletary is probably throwing people around. I just think Lovie’s lack of passion transgresses on the field at the wrong times. I think Lovie knows how to coach defense, it is obvious this year he can call plays and make back-ups play well, but he is missing “it”. Whatever “it” is for certain coaches, I don’t think he has one.

His pep talks at halftime when we are losing are probably “Well guys, we turned the ball over so we should stop doing that. Let’s get out there and try to play better” (in a monotone voice).

by brands735 on Oct 21, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to his players

He’s pretty hard on them in the locker rooms. And this is an argument that’s devoid of substance. First of all, how do you know Lovie doesn’t yell behind closed doors? How do you know he doesn’t have another way of motivation?

And then, how do you know that being fiery and passiony would even work? It’s all conjecture, especially with no empirical proof. Just because he doesn’t act like a fool like Ditka, we automatically assume he doesn’t know how to handle his players.

by jake1823 on Oct 21, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can only go by what I see on the field and in press conferences. You are right, I don’t know what he does in the locker room. But it is sad to see the same face win or lose by the man in charge. Chicago is a city with a lot of heart. Rejoice when you win, be pissed off when you lose.

And its my opinion so it really isn’t an argument. I think he may handle players fine and they may like him, but I would like to see more emotion out of him.

by brands735 on Oct 21, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see what it would accomplish

Other than making you happy. These players would still be as talented as they are. I’m not sure how much more you’re going to get out of them.

by jake1823 on Oct 21, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO, sometimes our players (Forte for example) look flat. Different motivation tactics work for different people so who knows. Maybe he is working for them; I just haven’t seen great intensity since our SB run. Personally I like smash-mouth coaches. Even Belicheck, hate the guy, but would be damn scared to be in the locker room after a loss with him.

by brands735 on Oct 21, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to blame the coach for those players succeeding elsewhere..

Orton- has 2 elite receivers he can toss the ball 5 yards to and go big and an awesome D
Jones- was excellent here, only reason we tossed him is because Benson whined
Benson- just didn’t seem to give a spit for some reason.
the 3 WRs I think we may legitly have a problem at that position..plus you have to remember we haven’t had a true QB to throw to them
Harris Colombo and Polite were all tough losses..but I guess the point is, the specific players who did well elsewhere had reasons in some way…the thing that does concern me is how our D gets blown away by the no huddle..this happened in the preseason against the bills as well..people said it was because they had an extra game to prepare..well this Falcons game says something far different about their prepping for it now.

by Pretender85 on Oct 20, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Those are points that we shouldn't forget

Orton also has one of the best young, left tackles in the league and a significantly better O-line. Benson just seemed like he needed a wake-up call, and we certainly gave him one when we dropped him.

Fire Ron Turner!!!!

by JimmyMack on Oct 20, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget

Harris (RT) or the rest of their unbelievable line. I don’t think Orton has been breathed on the past two weeks.

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by propheteer on Oct 20, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine that

a QB playing better with a good left tackle and strong WRs. Why didn’t Angelo connect the dots?

by rocko1 on Oct 20, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not blaming the coaches for those players having success elsewhere...

I blaming the coaches for those players NOT having success on the Bears and thus not getting any value because they were cut and not traded.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 20, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

I’ll put it on the front page, pronto, and give you credit.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Oct 20, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there was a way to break down the grades by position coaches and coordinators

That would be very interesting, too:

Lovie Smith: C
Rod Marinelli: A
Bob Babich: A-
John Hoakes: C+

Ron Turner: F
Harry Heinstedt: F
Pep Hamilton: C+
Daryl Drakes: B+

Did I forget anyone?

Fire Ron Turner!!!!

by JimmyMack on Oct 20, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

honestly

I’d give Jon Hoke a B+ or A- given the talent or lack of, he has to work with
a fallen apart Vasher,
a hurt Tillman who had no camp so wasn’t coached at all
Payne playing out of position at FS
Manning who can’t adjust to Safety any longer
and a Rookie SS

i’d say he’s done good with what he has

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by BearNecessities on Oct 20, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess Hoke has done a pretty good job under the circumstances

Vasher is looking like a bust. But as soon we cut or trade him, I’m sure he’ll be “re-born” and start leading the league in interceptions…

by JimmyMack on Oct 20, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

such is life for a Bears fan

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.

by BearNecessities on Oct 21, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Lovie

But at the same time if you throw out the Super Bowl year and this year, he’s a .500 coach. That’s not too bad but it isn’t great. For all this team’s shortcomings (o-line, offensive coordinator) I think Lovie is doing an OK job. I think he should be able to finish out his contract then we’ll see where he’s at.

by GallopingGhost on Oct 20, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

your logic is infallible

if you throw out a coach’s best season, i guess his record does go down. that sucks, doesnt it? thank god you cant.

by Puppet on Oct 21, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if you...

throw out his worst year (his first a rookie head coach) and this year, he’s a .625 coach. That’s pretty good for, as you said, all the team’s shortcomings. Of course, some of those shortcomings are on him (cough, Babich, cough, cough)

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by smudgers on Oct 21, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love to hate Bob Babich.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Oct 21, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always use The current Falcons offensive coordinator as an example..

When Marty Schottenheimer was coaching the Chargers, current Falcons offensive coordinator Cam Cameron held the same title in San Diego with Schottenheimer. The O-line excelled at beating on the opposing teams’ defense so that they wore down in the 4th quarter, and the execution was crisp.
Now compare essentially the same players under Ron Turner’s brother Norv; San Diego does not execute plays nearly as well as they did under Schottenheimer/Cameron. They are no longer a serious contending team.
I can’t find a better example of the difference in coaching than that.
 The Bears don’t use the full extent of their personel. For example; Not only was Lance Louis an offensive lineman in college, but played tight end as well and runs a 4.75 40. Here’s a goaline power package I considered (before Willie Gaines was released): Willie lined up in the fullback position, Olson lined up on the right side of the line, L. Louis lined up on the left and A. Peterson or Forte in the tailback position. Or Louis and Gaines could swap places. Either way, that’s a lot of size in the offensive backfield. The play could go power left or right…or with Cutler faking the handoff to go power left or right..and then bootleg the opposite direction; Easy score.
Turner has no creativity when it comes to playcalling.

by Bear72 on Oct 20, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cameron is the OC for the Ravens now, right idea, wrong bird

(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."

by ThorCo on Oct 21, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES

Cutler referred to the offense and Ron Turner as “a work in progress” (waddle and Wily interview). That is unacceptable after a bye week and week #6.

by No It All on Oct 20, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

since some of the players on that list failed here due to injuries...

maybe the problem is with our strength and conditioning coaches.
3 LBs already have gone down this year
mike brown was always injured
APs hurt
ole dusty has never been able to stay healthy
urlacher hasnt shed a block since he hurt his back
I know all teams have injuries, but i dont think its all sheer luck.

by bmbrock on Oct 20, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

urlacher got his hand ripped off

not sure what strength program prevents that.

by mike b on Oct 20, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there was no C- so I picked D

That Coach Smith and his staff don’t adapt well to changing game situations is nothing new, this has been the case with the Bears since Smith took over. Not only changing game situations but even with losing personnel to injury. The Patriots are a good example of a coaching staff that is not often caught unprepared and also does reasonably well when confronted with injuries.

"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur

by Maelvampyre on Oct 20, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agree but disagree

Offensively, we are getting killed by Turner. That guy is useless and I question his play calling almost every down.

Almost everyone is forgetting our D is w/o the man in the middle. W/o his leadership on the field, it’s no question why we aren’t producing what we should and why we are giving up stupid crap like the 12 man call and the uncontested screen.

I think Briggs needs to step up…slap the DBs around, and then challenge the O to keep up! That’s Bear football.

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- Chinese Thinker

by AZBearsFan on Oct 20, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well said

I said the same in someone else’s post and I am glad you stepped up and said it here.

"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur

by Maelvampyre on Oct 20, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

C- ish

HC = C = Lovie’s meh, no high, no low, not much of anything. Generally win when we should, lose when we should, rarely a blowout either way.
OC = D- = Unimaginative, opponents seem to know the play 80-90% of the time
O-line = D- = Not much to get creative with on the O-line but still a lack of performance, definitely not good enough to keep changing players positions
WR = B = doing a good job turning our young receiver’s into performers
QB = D = Haven’t really seen improvement in any QB, they are what they are when they get here, outside of normal learning through repetition/game experience

DC = B = Lovie gets the B as DC, Babich gets an F since he still has the empty title
LB = B+ = Babich does a good job, Roach is making some mistakes but taking over MLB without a preseason to prepare isn’t smooth and easy, turns out a lot of good LBs
DB = C = …not much to say about a C here
D-line = A = Line coach is Marinelli’s perfect coaching position, possibly DC as well but the Rod+Lovie combo is doing fine as is

by SaintCee on Oct 20, 2009 11:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wanted to add..

Lovie is killing me with his interviews. Full of too much “I’m not worried”, “We’ll get better”, and “No need for change”.

by SaintCee on Oct 21, 2009 5:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I want to know

is why is it that opponents against our defense, especially in third down situations seem to be able to complete that outlet pass to a back in the flat at will resulting in a first down, while when we are on offense we are never able to accomplish this?
In the one football coaching class our instructor (my coach) taught us that one of the best ways to teach defense was to teach them offense and visa versa. The offense and defensive staffs need a to communicate.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Oct 21, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate this unimaginative crap for the offense

For all the seasons before this, he had two retards at QB. And yes, Kyle Orton was a retard here.

Now, his QB has to rush the ball just he doesn’t get gangraped by the defensive line.

Imaginative, my keister…

by jake1823 on Oct 21, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Oct 21, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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