General Thread for Broncos & Orton Fans

Let’s start one for “Sexy” Rexy too! :P

let’s move on. They are happy, we are happy let’s just get on to other things worth discussing…

He has a special place in hell my heart.

I initially misread the title of this thread upon first seeing it.

I was excited about a “General Threat for Broncos & Orton Fans”…

So here it is.

Yesterday I was listening to ESPN1000 on my way home and some douche spent like 20 mins talking about how Kyle Orton was the most underrated QB in the NFL and how Kyle is so much better than Jay because he is very accurate and doesn’t make a lot of mistakes. He goes on an on about how Kyle was overlooked because of his looks and haircut and what a steal he was considering his salary vs. Jay’s and blah, blah, blah…

I seriously hope this moron is not local because I would be so ashamed. Kyle has done a good job and I am happy for him. I was certainly happy to have him over TrainRex in the past.

However when you consider that Kyle is working with…
1. Defense PPG rank of #1
2. Rush YPG rank of #7
3. Excellent Pass Protection
4. Josh McDaniels
5. Elite Receivers

And what Jay is working with…
1. Defense PPG rank #13
2. Rush YPG rank #27
3. Inadequate Pass Protection
4. Lovie and Ron
5. No elite receivers

Kyle Orton is in a good system, surrounded by top tier talent, with excellent coaching.
Jay is in the Bears, and still manages to keep us in games.

How is this a fair comparison at all? So what if Orton’s numbers are better. It doesn’t make him the better quarterback.

I mean, Kyle was well liked when he was with us – we knew he had no arm, but he didn’t mess things up, read defenses well etc. So we swap him for a more mobile QB who has all the tools in his bag. Cool. Sweet. Now all of a sudden because he’s doing well for a good team (wish we had their OL), people are knocking Kyle and the team that gave us Jay Cutler ? Why ?

My $0.02. The Broncos are not 6-0 because of Kyle Orton. They have a stellar OL and a great defense. Kyle won’t lose many games, but he won’t win too many by himself either. Game management doesn’t help much come the big teams and big games … if you can’t throw it long, you’re short ….

denver has better coaching.

if kyle orton goes down, odds are denver will continue to play at a high level.

if jay cutler goes down, the bears are screwed.

good coaching makes a good team. lazy coaching depends on talent for wins.

i’m a big proponent for mike shanahan to get the bears HC job next season. so keep up the good work, bears, and maybe my wish will come true this offseason!!

I am finding it harder and harder to get past the fact that you dislike the QB situation so much you created a thread to contain it, and yet you can’t refrain from posting in it. I get everything up to that point… honestly. A lot of what gets posted here about the two QB’s gets repetitive and tiresome. I get calling people trolls after a while, and would understand the temptation to pay it forward with a compensatory visit to MHR. (thanks, BearNecessities = ) But reading, posting, and resorting to bus and mountain references in this thread costs you something. (It might be credibility.) I am not calling the kettle black… I find some of the commentary and repartee entertaining. But there is something that draws you as well… or you wouldn’t be reading this or replying to it.

So far there have been approximately 3 or 4 bronco fans here with zero bashing or trolling, with about 20 posts out of the 140 or so total. Its not attracting Bronco fans, but it is attracting Bear fans, by and large. There is some trolling…. but the several bronco fans have been respectful. It either isn’t working, or its working in a backwards manner = ) What ever works, right? I think unless something stunning happens in a game, it will die down till the end of the year. Like many, I think the deal is working for both teams, and I completely get what someone said earlier about just wanting to have a QB that could wing it down field when necessary, instead of just laying there and taking it when Farve threw all over you. Ironically, stats for the two are pretty similar, including Yrds/A, where Kyle has a slight advantage. The funny thing to me is that they are playing much more like each other now…. Jay is winging it less, and Kyle is getting more and more freedom to air it out. It probably wont happen this year, but I think these two DO meet in a game that matters sooner than later.

  Not here to troll, just seen this post with 157 comments related to the Broncos. Wasn’t there alot more involved than a QB for a QB. Lets be honest here, there would be no way in hell that we would have aquired 2 first round picks and Orton if Orton is greater than Cutler. End of arguement. Johhny Knox is working out pretty good for ya, and were enjoying Ayers + whatever we get next year. We can give each other hundreds of useless stats on who won the trade, but there is no way in hell you can quantify it. Even if Cutler goes on to win a Super Bowl, it doesn’t mean he would of won one in Denver. The same goes for Orton.

   Yes Cutler has alot of nice tangibles, but until he can stop forcing the ball so many damn times in the red zone, the Bears will have roller coaster seasons. Also, until the Bears can build up other parts of the team, it would be hard for Peyton Manning to win there, Cutler is a band-aid for bigger problems. Jay couldn’t overcome Denvers deficiencies, now he’s having troubles overcoming Chicago’s.

   Enough with the noodle arm, and he can’t win a game Orton stuff as well. If I remember right Orton has led Denver to a few come from behind wins late in the game, and yes Orton didn’t win the game against Cinci.

Numbers Games
How does Cutler stack up with other NFL quarterbacks?

He ranks 16th in passer rating
16th in passing yards
15th in completion percentage
18th in average per completion
8th in touchdown passes
22nd in touchdown-to-interception ratio
11th in fourth-quarter passer rating
9th in passer rating against the blitz
36th in red-zone passing
 
4th in average salary.

THAT lasted long.

As a Broncos fan I agree with BearNecessities, ban any Broncos fans coming over here and talking smack. I think Trolls thrive on attention and this thread throws fuel on the fire.

Entertaining string of comments for sure. I just have to say, you guys had people talking severe trash about the Cutler trade when it happened. You have to expect cross-blogging trash-talk based on that. ZOMG U GYZ GOT FLEECED!

I’m not a troll, so I’m not going to get into it with any of you, but let me offer some perspective: It isn’t that we hate the Bears. Many of us hold a grudge against Cutler because of how he cry-babied his way out of town and disrespected our team before, during, AND after the trade happened. For that reason alone, I wish nothing but losses for whatever team he plays for and love every time he tosses up an INT like the childish moron he is. One day he may grow up and decide to start playing smarter football…maybe. Now add to all that the fact that we get your next year’s #1 pick. I for SURE want you guys to lose every game here out…the Bengals game had me seriously giddy yesterday. You will have your good games with Cutler…but you will have your HORRENDOUS ones too.

Sadly like many of you have already pointed out…he doesn’t even stand a chance until they fix that O-line and get the defense playing at least decently.

I don’t troll any of your other articles, and I cringe when I see another Bronco fan making stupid comments or inciting arguments in game threads. That being said, if you don’t like it, why did you create THIS thread? Seriously. I kind of want an answer.

When the Cutler trade happened, people were obviously really upset. It didn’t help that there were a ton of Bears fans from none other than windy city gridiron that came over to Mile High Report and talked about how we are morons, we got fleeced, we are idiots, and on and on. And yet, now, when things aren’t developing as a Bears fan would hope, you guys are all suddenly playing the victim. Trolling isn’t cool, I don’t do it (except for a moment of weakness above). But to say that you were all just sitting innocently and minding your own business this whole time and then all those mean old broncos fans had to be unsportsmanlike is kind of a joke. People are assholes. The internet allows them to be huge assholes with no consequences. Get over it.

FWIW, I would like to apologize for any Bronco fan behavior that could be construed as trolling here. Its ridiculous and embarrassing. Obviously we have our differences, and its pretty clear that neither side is anywhere near over the Cutler trade.

There’s only one thing to do. Trolls feed off of negative energy and confusion. They revel in being able to piss off everyone and suffer no negative consequences. The reason they keep coming back is that they get such a harsh reaction out of you folks. If you want to get rid of them, ignore them. Don’t reply to them, don’t acknowledge them. Its really the only solution. If trolling at WCG becomes boring, lolcopter and co. won’t do it anymore.

…as opposed to reasonable ones, and you know who you are, have proven now that it’s not about Cutler or Orton, but rather about the relative size of certain key parts of male anatomy. And the more you cluck around preening like a rooster, the more you’re making up for something.

While I understand that not every MHR member / Broncos’ fan that comes to WCG is one, this thread and recent posts have inspired me to add to the collection.

I hope you enjoy viewing (and using at will) as much as I enjoyed creating. I can say that it was very cathartic.

this thread was set up just for this and some is working. Most of the MHR posting is on this thread and not infiltrated on the other threads so to that extent it is doing what it was supposed to do. So if this angering or inciting you I suggest not reading the thread and stick to the meat and potatoes of our other threads. Don’t let some inciteful comments get to you like this, just walk away and don’t read this one.