Matt Forte: Where's He Running?
by Dane Noble on Oct 22, 2009 12:19 PM CDT
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Entering this 2009 season, the biggest concern expressed by many of us was the lack of significant talent in our wide receivers department. As the year has progressed though, it seems that focus has shifted.
We have experienced a surprisingly slow start in our running game, and it seems like Bears fans have finally started tapering down areas to place the blame. Early in the season, Ron Turner was being criticized for his uninventive play-calling. But, it didn't take long before Matt Forte was being assigned the blame for his poor start. However, in light of the loss in Atlanta, a lot of fans are starting to look at the offensive line as the root of the problem.
A few days ago, WCG member MuleTrain brought us some numbers from Football Outsiders that showed us how the running game is being spread out. After looking at that FanPost, I decided to take the analysis a little deeper, and exclusively focus on Matt Forte.
On the season, Matt Forte has rushed the ball 86 times for 294 yards (3.4 avg.) and 1 TD. Where is he running the ball?
LE: 12 rushes/ 64 yds/ 1 TD/ 1 first down run/ 5.33 yd avg. (includes a 37 yard TD run)
LT: 12 rushes/ 23 yds/ 0 TD/ 0 first downs/ 1.92 yd avg.
LG: 16 rushes/ 85 yds/ 0 TDs/ 2 first downs/ 5.31 yd avg. (includes a 61 yard run)
Mid: 18 rushes/ 40 yds/ 0 TDs/ 2 first downs/ 2.22 yd avg.
RG: 14 rushes/ 40 yds/ 0 TDs/ 3 first downs/ 2.8 yd avg.
RT: 5 rushes/ 24 yds/ 0 TDs/ 1 first down/ 4.8 yd avg.
RE: 9 rushes/ 19 yds/ 0 TDs/ 0 first downs/ 2.11 yd avg.
I know many of you don't like the idea of subtracting runs, but if you do take away the 37 yard run and the 61 yard run, Forte would be averaging 2.45 yds over the LE and 1.6 yds over the LG.
I even broke down the rushing plays by down, and came up with:
1st down: 39 rushes/ 75 yards (1.92 avg)
2nd down: 38 rushes/ 209 yards (5.5 avg), which includes both big runs. (3.08 avg without them)
3rd down: 9 rushes/ 11 yards (1.22 avg)
The majority of running plays are being called in the middle, and over the two guards. When they do run to the tackle and outside, they call almost twice as many plays to the left side of the line.
The lowest average yards per carry comes over the LG spot, Frank Omiyale's spot. That is also where more running plays get called than any other place.
The right side of the line is arguable where the two best run blockers reside (Roberto Garza and Chris Williams), yet 40 running plays have been to Orlando Pace and Frank Omiyale's side, versus 28 to Garza and Williams's side.
We always have to take into account the strength of the defense, and where the best run stuffers are. But, over 5 games, I think we can say that we just aren't evenly running to both sides of the line.
Say what you will about Matt Forte this season, but these numbers show that none of our offensive linemen are doing a good job at run blocking. The only place where we have a good yard per carry average is over the right tackle (4.8 yds), but we have only run the ball 5 times there.
Take away the 61 yard run, and our left guard and left tackle spots are only yielding a 1.6 and 1.9 yard average respectively. Pace has shown to be effective in the passing game, but is obviously being just as ineffective as Omiyale during rushes.
Bottom line: The Bears do not have any offensive linemen who are reliable in the running game (only exception might be Williams, but the sample size is too small). We cannot continue to put the burden on Matt Forte, and honestly, Ron Turner is not seeing success at running the ball in any hole, on any down.
We are already without our 1st and 2nd round draft picks in the 2010 draft, so the Bears are going to have to decide how to get some offensive linemen on the roster next season that can actually do a good job blocking.
Olin Kreutz and Orlando Pace are considered "over the hill" in terms of years played, Roberto Garza is getting close to that group as well, and Frank Omiyale is obviously not a long-term answer at this point either. That leaves us next year with possibly one offensive lineman that we can rely on, and the jury is still out on him.
And of course, there is the rest of the 2009 season as well.
Free agents, anyone?
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nicely done
I think with the Cutler contract the thinking is the money will be there to sign some free agents around him… if it were me 1st up would be the O-Line
by wiltfongjr on Oct 22, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A very good read indeed.
Olin Kreutz needs to step up and be a leader of this O line again.Everyone talks about Frank and Pace but.Olin always has been,and always will be (as long as he is playing) the leader of the O line.I don’t blame the whole disaster we call a O line,on Kreutz but he needs to step it up.Frank is just blahhhhhh he seems like a cool guy but he can’t play football.Pace is old and he lost his (sauciness)=p
by bears rock on Oct 22, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Next year
If we let Pace & Kreutz go after this season (which I’d like to see happen, but doubt it will), then our line could look like:
LT – C. Williams
LG – ??? (4th round draft pick?)
C – Beekman
RG – Garza
RT – Schafer
At this point that actually sounds OK to me.
Realistically, it will probably look like exactly how it looks right now.
by MakeHalasProud on Oct 22, 2009 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Schafer
looked about as good as St Clair did, and they swapped teams.
to be honest i think Omiyale wouldnt’ be bad, back at his original tackle position
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by BearNecessities on Oct 22, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that was a Schaffer...
facing 2nd and 3rd string defenses in the pre-season.
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by smudgers on Oct 22, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I follow the Browns as well and fans were excited to see Schafer go and see St. Clair show up. Unfortunately St. Clair has yet to block a defender this season, opting instead to act as a revolving door. This still might be an upgrade over Schafer.
Schafer, one year older, starting at RT next year would be bad with a capital B.
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 23, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all starts in the trenches
Win the war on the line and you usually win the game.
I think Kreutz best years are behind him also but maybe with some pressure on him he can squeeze out another good year.
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by Maelvampyre on Oct 22, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you can't just get rid of the 60 yard run.
maybe make it only 10 or something, but when there are only 16 rushes to a spot and you get rid of the best one, of course the average will be low. YOu should also get rid of the best rush over rg if you are using this logic.
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Oct 22, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Median run
I’d be interested in seeing what the median run was to each side. Though, I already know those would be some depressingly low #s.
by MakeHalasProud on Oct 22, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those numbers would be (without the two long runs to the left)
1.99 yds avg to the left and 3.25 avg to the right.
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by Dane Noble on Oct 22, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know overall you can't get rid of it,
but honestly, who gets the credit for the 61 yard run? It started at the LG spot, but that side collapsed, and Forte bounced it out to the right.
That run was on Forte, made possible by Omiyale getting driven backwards.
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by Dane Noble on Oct 22, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
made possible by Omiyale getting driven backwards.
maybe that is a new technique he is trying to perfect?
by BNeL21 on Oct 22, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he needs any more practice.
He seems to have it down pat.
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by JerBear50 on Oct 22, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's good to know, lol
If Forte is smart, he’ll continue to bounce right, when they call a play that runs behind the left side…
by JimmyMack on Oct 22, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read Larry Mayer's Q&A today on the Bears website about "misconceptions regarding the o-line"
he puts up stats to show how they have not suffered any loss of production vs. last year. His answer is exactly why, for the most part, I hate stats. You can make them say anything you want. The bottom line is they still suck and can’t run the ball with any consistency or effectiveness. A RB who carries 10 times for 50 yards with a long run of 5 yards is a lot different than a RB who carries 10 for 50 yards with a long run of 49!!! The rushing average and total yards are the same, but you can count on one of those examples when you need to make 3 & 2, while the other is only a 10% chance of getting you the first down.
He’s the ultimate “homer”.
by BearFan611 on Oct 22, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As you know Mayer is not an objective source
Layer Mayer is basically the Bears’ online spokesman. He rarely prints anything that might make anyone on the team look bad… That’s why I don’t really put much stock into his analysis of the team’s performance.
by JimmyMack on Oct 22, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's fun to read
and I like having something new to check on every day, but he’s a paid Bears employee. Of course it’s going to be Bears official yap flapping.
by Virto on Oct 22, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To answer the subject question:
Q: Where’s he running?
A: Away from the guy that Omiyale was supposed to block.
by brands735 on Oct 22, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Omiyale is quickly becoming this season't "Rashied" when it comes to jokes...
and deservedly so. I wonder if he’ll be able to block it out, similar to how Rashied dropped out of sight this year.
by BearFan611 on Oct 22, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
“Block” it out, “dropped” out of sight… clever.
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by HoneyBear on Oct 22, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The line is old, and it won't be magically getting any better on it's own
But the Bears signed Omiyale as a tackle and then moved him to guard. They knew what they were getting in Orlando Pace, a guy who was still a good pass blocker, but not nearly the same dominant run blocker that he was back in the day.
So, the fact that we’re having so many problems running the ball shouldn’t really be all that much of a surprise to the coaching staff. I’m talking about Ron Turner, Harry Heindstedt, and to a lesser extent, Lovie.
They knew that this situation could blow up and what did they do? They traded for Gaines Adams…
by JimmyMack on Oct 22, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
I should double check stats but I’m pretty sure we went from #8 in rushing to #27 since Ron’s been here and the stats on Harry are dismal too…
by TrialsBass on Oct 22, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Bears miss Peterson.
Forte isn’t the type of back that will get ‘’tough yards’‘. He’s a knifer type running back. He doesn’t really like contact. The Bears need to bring in another back the can combat Fortes weakness. When you need that tough yard I don’t think you can always get it from Forte in a power running sense. The Bears need a power back to complement Forte.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 22, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
also miss Kevin Jones
I agree with you here. While Peterson isn’t exactly a smashmouth power runner, he is more so than Forte.
Kevin Jones’ hard-hitting straight-ahead style would have been a nice compliment to Forte.
by MakeHalasProud on Oct 22, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 Good Backs
Isn’t that unnormal in the league now. Some teams even have a “3 Headed Monster” i.e Giants, Cowboys. We just have Forte. If you’re not fortunate enough to have a 2 back attack the one RB you do have should be capable of getting into the endzone from the one. Reguardless of his o-line.
by Big Ike on Oct 22, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you completely...
with a 16 game schedule, and possibly a 17 or 18 game schedule soon, you need to have at least high 2 quality backs to make it through that grind. In my opinion, you should also have at least one more on your roster playing special teams since injuries at that position are commonplace. This is one area where I think Jerry Angelo has really been making a mistake.
There are always RB’s in the later rounds or as a UFA who went to a small school or were backups at a large, powerhouse who might have started somewhere else but were playing behind a star. Similar to the Matt Cassel situation at QB. If I were a GM, I would make sure I had at least one of those guys, in addition to my 2 regulars on my team every year plus one on the practice squad.
by BearFan611 on Oct 22, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the Vikings.
When one team bottles up Peterson Chester tailor comes in with fresh legs.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 22, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Confused
LG: 16 rushes/ 85 yds/ 0 TDs/ 2 first downs/ 5.31 yd avg. (includes a 61 yard run)
The lowest average yards per carry comes over the LG spot, Frank Omiyale’s spot. That is also where more running plays get called than any other place.
Isn’t Omiyale the LG, and isn’t a 5.31 yd avg. second best on the line?
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by propheteer on Oct 22, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
I was looking at the 1.6 yards/ carry over Omiyale without the 61 yard run that Omiyale got driven back on.
But yes, if you give Omiyale credit for that, his average sky-rockets.
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by Dane Noble on Oct 22, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
Oh, so that’s why he’s still a starter….one good play. Pace blows in the running game, and it looks like Garza has taken a big step back from last season.
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by propheteer on Oct 22, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen Garza driving people at different times this year.
He’s just not consistent with it. He looks very good when he pulls out as a lead blocker though.
I heard Jerry Angelo endorsing Omiyale on an interview this morning. he said that the Bears wanted to get bigger bodies in at OG, and that Omiyale has the “size, strength, and tools” to be a good OG. I reckon they are still in the “development” stage with Frank.
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by Dane Noble on Oct 22, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've read
Dickerson absolutely hates Omiyale, and he has said repeatedly that Beekman was ten times better than him. Size doesn’t matter when their technique sucks. Where have I heard this before?
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by propheteer on Oct 22, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Frank admitted it's a different skill set at guard
He said he’s used to taking on “speed guys” at left tackle vs. the bigger d-lineman that require better drive blocking skills when you’re playing guard.
by JimmyMack on Oct 22, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
technique > size
From what I’ve read, Omiyale is 6-4 & 315lbs, and Beekman is 6-2 & 310lbs (per ESPN website). So there’s really not much of a size difference.
However, there is obviously a much larger disparity in technique.
by MakeHalasProud on Oct 22, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And pay.
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by Spongie on Oct 22, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sucks that our GM
determines our $tarters, and not our coaches.
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by smudgers on Oct 22, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened
To our 3rd round pick. What did we spend it on?
by luckie815 on Oct 22, 2009 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gilbert DE/DT
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by BearNecessities on Oct 22, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other player who could factor into the equation is Jarron Gilbert, the team’s first draft pick in 2009. The third-rounder has been inactive for all but the Lions game, but Marinelli said he is practicing well.
Link to article about our DT position Here
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by BearNecessities on Oct 22, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. My mistake. I fixed it.
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by Dane Noble on Oct 22, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bengals fan here
Don’t worry about Forte. He is playing below his potential so, if history is any consolation, he will put 130 on the Bengals. The only RBs that have to worry playing us are the guys who are running very well. It is a funny thing here in Bengals land. We have beaten all of the teams we were supposed to lose to and have lost or nearly lost all of the games we were favored to win. We seem to play up to or down to the level of our opponent. IMO it is an indication of the youth on the team. We have several seasoned pros but we also have a lot of players with just a few years in the league. On opening day we had 11 of the 22 starters who were either new to the team, rookies or playing in a new position. Our D is pretty good but a bit over rated IMO, especially against excellent passers. Cutler is an excellent passer. Our O is very talented but hasn’t been able to put it together for more than a couple of quarters a game.
I think this will be a close game and once again decided in the 4th quarter. When our O is clicking it is almost unstoppable. Carson just has too many options if we can protect him. Give him 4-5 seconds to throw and he, like Cutler will cut you to pieces. I really don’t see a big difference in the quality of these two teams so I will go with home field advantage and say 27-24 Bengals – but it could easily be the other way around. Here is to a hard fought game where the players decide the outcome and everyone on the field suits up the next week without injury.
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by JUNGLEJOHN on Oct 22, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
Does the loss of Odom really hurt Cincy for the rest of the year? I know he had a great game vs. GB but was he really the core of your defense? How do you expect the pass rush to play w/o him?
by brands735 on Oct 22, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't just replace Odom
Unlike in the past the Bengals are not as thin as they once were. But we also lost Peko. His injury isn’t as bad as feared and he may play. Tank also has plantar fascitis in his right foot. We are limping into the bye week. If you guys played us two weeks ago you would probably be in trouble but thing should be much easier for you with all of the injuries.
The Bengals are a good enough football team to beat anyone when things are clicking and everyone is healthy. That is not the case for Sunday, but I will say this. The Bears will have to play to the end. We will not quit. This team has a lot of heart and I wouldn’t diminish them because of the loss last week. The loss of Zimmer’s wife was huge for the team. She was kind of the team mother. Everyone knew he and loved her. The week before they were inspired against Baltimore but with the funeral and all they were simply emotionally spent against the Texans. I see a rebound.
Expect a reenergized Bengals team and don’t think that with the loss of Odom that the pass rush won’t be a factor. We are pretty good on D and our O is showing signs of starting to really come together. One of these days it will all come together and who ever we are playing that day will be in for a rough time. As for me I hope it is this weekend but stopping both Cutler and Hester is a tall task. Our only hope is to keep your O off the field with ball control, kick it away from Hester and pray.
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by JUNGLEJOHN on Oct 23, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nicely done John.
Thanks for a little insight into Bungle Land… rec’d for the time and effort.
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by Dane Noble on Oct 23, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, +1
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by Spongie on Oct 23, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schafer to LG???
I know it’s not gonna happen, but how about Schafer to LG?
Supposedly he’s a good run blocker, but gets burned by speed rushers. Perhaps he would be better suited for Guard?
Then Omiyale could go back to being a backup Tackle (where he’s comfortable).
by MakeHalasProud on Oct 22, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
Garza got injured on my madden 10, and somehow Garrett Wolfe ended up at RG, and he blocked just fine for me
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by BearNecessities on Oct 22, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I'm willing to try anything :-D
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by Spongie on Oct 22, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering about that over the summer, too
Big run-mauler who’s not so good at fending off quicker guys on the outside… seems suitable for conversion to Guard. Or, to put it another way, would he be any worse than Omiyale’s shown to this point?
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by Spongie on Oct 22, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who needs stats!!!
I know as a die hard Bears fan that are running game isn’t as good as last years.You can just tell that this years O line performance is atrocious.
by bears rock on Oct 22, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
indeed
it’s a wretched eyesore at some points, for every good play there are a few bad ones.
by reefermadness3 on Oct 22, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need so get someone who can tell Lovie this stuff
by DaHamsta on Oct 22, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I nominate you...
Just show up to practice tomorrow (dressed as a hamster of course), and see what you can accomplish. Just don’t tell them you’re from WCG.
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by Dane Noble on Oct 22, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by smudgers on Oct 22, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Somehow, the pink socks just complete that outfit. I don’t know why.
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by Spongie on Oct 22, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the....
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 23, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hang much of the failures at Turners feet...
While this offensive line is collectively horrible, the play calling makes no sense at all. I have repeatedly asked why the Bears don’t run to the right. I didn’t have any actual stats, but what i saw was enough to know the offense wasn’t running right much. This is absolutely on Turner. IMO, Forte is a great slasher-type runner in the mold of a Westbrook. Running telegraphed dives straight ahead out of the I-formation is the least effective use of Forte’s forte! Why not some traps or sweeps or power-off tackle. Screen passes and swing passes would also suffice for running plays. But the single greatest insanity is why, after 5 games, do the Bears not run a play action fake to Forte out of the I-formation on first down. If Omiyale sucks blocking heads-up , then pull him to the right and run a trap or sweep to the right where he can block on the move where he has the most success. Thanks for the numbers Geaux!
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by LostInSTL on Oct 22, 2009 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know i've seen
the traps and sweeps where pace and omiyale were “racing” up field as blockers, and i’m pretty sure every time Omiyale either gets trucked or seems stuck in the mud, Pace did alright
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by BearNecessities on Oct 22, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could also do a better job of using the pass to set up the run.
We’ve established Cutler as a threat that defenses have to honor. Now lets try some run plays out of pass formations. Spread out the defense, make them honor the pass, THEN run up the middle or run off tackle. Cutler’s presence should be helping Forte.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Oct 22, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Play Calling
Plus the scheme sucks
When Notre Dame fires Charlie Weis the Bears should hire him to be offensive coordinator.
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by phastphil on Oct 22, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy...
But I don’t think Kreutz has been as bad as we make him out to be. Obviously, he’s not as good as he used to be, but he’s playing adequate enough. It’s obvious that Omiyale is terrible and that Pace is playing like a stiff right now. I think Garza has a couple of years left in him and Williams will be an ok player. If Kreutz can hold on another year, the middle to right side should be ok.
As far as the left side, I think Beekman stepping in is just a bandaid, but he’s adequate enough, I guess. I’m really hoping we see another side of Pace soon. We need him to step it up.
by jake1823 on Oct 22, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The NFLN's Jaime Dukes just broke down
the tape of the Bears O-line with Forte running. OMG! This almost has nothing to do with Forte. That O-line, especially Omiyale, Kreutz, and Olsen when blocking, has been horrid. They can’t block when double teaming. It’s terrible. I’m not ready to throw Forte under the bus yet. That O-line is definitely the issue.
by Dils on Oct 22, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
THE BEARS O-LINE
5 GAMES IN THE DEFENSES ARE STACKING THE LINE AGAINST THE BEARS. I FEEL THE REASON WHY IS STOP FORTE AND MAKE CUTLER BEAT YOU WITH INEXPERIENCED WR’S. CUTLER IS CHECKING DOWN A LOT WITH A 3 STEP DROP. UNTIL OUR WR’S GET RESPECT BY BREAKING SOME BIG PLAYS WHICH I BELIEVE THEY WILL DEFENSES ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO STACK THE LINE. PLUS WE HAVE 3 NEW STARTERS ON THE O-LINE WITH ONLY 5 GAMES UNDER THEIR BELT TOGETHER. REGARDLESS WITH ALL THE INJURIES AND NEW STARTERS THE BEARS LOOK GREAT AND WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.
by CHITOWN BEARS on Oct 23, 2009 3:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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by smudgers on Oct 23, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you know your in trouble
when the USER ID IS IN ALL CAPS TO BEGIN WITH. IT’S LIKE YOU CAN EXPECT IT EVERY TIME.
BUT DOESN’T IT GET YOU A LITTLE PUMPED UP THO, LIKE YOU COULD JUST LISTEN TO THIS ALL DAY AND FREAKIN JUST RAGE OUT? (NSFW lyrics- youtube link)
Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.
Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.
by Dane Noble on Oct 23, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I literally just laughed out loud!
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by smudgers on Oct 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, good stuff
I like to bump this at work so they know who they dealin wit…. Gangsta
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 23, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fwiw...
>>> This <<< is how I roll.
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by smudgers on Oct 23, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
Forgot all about that . Love that version of the song, for me and all the homies.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 23, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free agents, anyone?
Reading an interesting article on MHR about their upcoming free agents, focusing on their draft class from 2006.
• Round 1, pick 11: Jay Cutler (Orton takes his place here)
• Round 2, pick 29: Tony Scheffler
• Round 4, Pick 22: Brandon Marshall
• Round 4, Pick 29: Elvis Dumervil
• Round 4, Pick 33: Domenik Hixon (with Giants)
• Round 5, Pick 28: Chris Kuper
• Round 6, Pick 29: Greg Eslinger (previously released and back on practice squad)
Golf clap to their scouts for that draft class!
The one that intrigues me the most is Chris Kuper… a nice young and talented OG… thoughts, objections?!?
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by smudgers on Oct 23, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And sorry for bringing more MHR over here,
I just thought it was interesting and kinda on topic…
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by smudgers on Oct 23, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read that yesterday as well
and the Kuper thing, if there is another FA G to pick up, i’d rather they go with that. another Bronco player over here, would just lead to more thread posts deflated sigh
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 23, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But for the sake of the team, Kuper’s pretty darn good!
Plus, the trolling seems to have gotten significantly better, imo.
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by smudgers on Oct 23, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really that's only
because we havent had a game yet. i fear the worst if we don’t beat the Bengals, with the Broncos
A. “beating” them
B. Broncos on a bye week
unless Cutler plays perfect, i expect some backlash
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 23, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure.
but the “respect” thread that the user posted seemed to have some impact. And no matter what, there’s gonna be some that’ll always be looking to antagonize, no matter what.
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by smudgers on Oct 23, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will end you!
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by smudgers on Oct 23, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets see what happens tomorrow...
I may take you up on that.
by rdent4hof on Oct 24, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just got back from Cincinnati.
Please, lets get this over with…
by rdent4hof on Oct 26, 2009 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad playaction?
Has anyone else noticed how unconvicing the fake handoff is when Cutler does playaction?
I don’t know if he’s being lazy or if he’s worried about dropping the ball, but either way it’s obvious that’s he’s not gonna hand it off to the RB.
by MakeHalasProud on Oct 23, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t paid that much attention, but I’ve noticed that he does commit and turn his back to the defense when he does the fake handoff, which is inviting a crunching hit to the back the way his offensive line has been blocking. If and when he stops doing that is when I’ll suspect that his confidence in their protection is shot. Right now, it’s a pretty neat detail on his part.
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by Spongie on Oct 23, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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