Ron Turner: Perception vs. Reality
by Dane Noble on Oct 23, 2009 11:36 AM CDT
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For quite some time now (read: years), offensive coordinator Ron Turner has been criticized to no end. Even if you only use this year as an example, you can scan WCG and find plenty (read: tons) of people throwing out criticisms, specifically focusing on several aspects of his play calling.
Dan Pompei of the Chicago Tribune took a lot of these criticisms, and broke them down from a statistical perspective. Here's an excerpt, but make sure you check out the entire article. It's a good read.
The gripe: Defenses know when the Bears are passing and when they are running.
The truth: The Bears' tendency has been to go against the usual calls on first and third downs. On first-and-10, usually when most of the league hands off, the Bears have passed 59.8 percent of the time. On third-and-10, traditionally a time to throw, the Bears have run it 50 percent of the time.
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My issue with Turner is not his game plan
Because I think for the most part the game plan is sound. It is just that he is inconsistent in his play calling. Like the goal line stand against Atl, and the three straight runs with Garrett Wolfe the other game. Some of his calls are brilliant and work great. He just seems to have some brain cramps at critical times of games.
Roachy love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
Great read.
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I'd be interested to know how often Cutler audibles.
He seems (in my opinion) to misread safety coverage. The first interception in the Atlanta game Jay misread the safety and threw the ball where the safety had a free read. Maybe Jay and Ron just aren’t quite on the same page or maybe I’m waaaaay off but it also seems like Jay occasionally audibles into run plays unnecessarily. Anyone else notice this or is it just me?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I'm very curious
ala J Mack days, they’d call in the play, and Jimmy would say “F That” and do what he wanted.
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by BearNecessities on Oct 24, 2009 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Cue Geomak essay...
…in 3, 2, 1…..
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Ironically enough,
the Bears have the highest yards per carry on 2nd down (5.5 yards with the two big runs, and 3.08 yards without them) compared to any other down.
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Matt Forte does. When I researched this post, I focused strictly on Forte’s carries.
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so uh
when it doesn’t work, its predictable, but when it does its genius.
we don’t know enough to really say anything about our coaches, but that’s just not fun.
Exactly.
I don’t know anyone that understands the way an NFL offense is run, or the mentality behind running certain plays at certain times.
It was interesting earlier in the year though when a commentator during a Colts game broke down the Colts’ stretch play.
Even though it wasn’t working, there were 5 or 6 different reasons given for why they kept running it, including wearing down the DL (making them move laterally in pursuit, setting up a play later in the game, or even setting up a play for later in the season, etc.).
Turner’s offense, just like every team’s, is way beyond our comprehension, and we have very little insight as to the mentality behind the plays called.
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agreed
we see the result without knowing if anyone was in the right spot, sold their routes well, or even what the intent was.
i do love it when someone says: “ron turner does this too much” and then the numbers prove it worng. Love it.
And still, once the numbers show one thing,
folks stay locked into their “opinions”…
Internet geniuses.
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Playcalling is overrated
Execution of said plays is much more important..
So said ex-NFL player and current broadcaster Ron Wolfley as fans questioned the play calls after a recent Arizona Cardinal game on Wolfley’s radio show.
Almost all fans complain about their teams playcalling, especially after a loss.
It means next to nothing,
true, but
Bears seem to have a rather high proportion of lack of proper execution, and that falls onto the coaches for not finding a way to get their players to perform – win or lose. Could be just perception but there are a lot of us that see the same thing.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
I agree Maelvampyre
Which is why I am confused with your response (true, but).
There is no ‘but.’ More often than not, unless the OC is a complete moron (like a John Shoop) then the problem lies in execution . . . and that’s the responsibility of the players AND the coaches.
i think we agree
Perhaps I misread what you wrote but you seemed to emphasize execution over playcalling, and I meant to say that its up to the coaches to call plays that work with the strengths of their players and I feel that sometimes Turner doesn’t do that.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
My biggest problem with Turner is not knowing the strengths and weaknesses of his personnel
I don’t care if you’re able to call the “right” plays every time you have the ball. If you run left on a critical goal-line play, knowing that the left side is the weak spot (on a very below-average line, at best), then you are going to FAIL.
If you call a pass play on first down, and the quarterback doesn’t have to time make his reads and make a good decision because his protection is shoddy, then you are putting unnecessary pressure on the QB and the receivers.
Turner and Harry Heinstedt knew heading into this season that the line was going to be our biggest weakness on offense. A lot of people said that the recievers were going to be a problem for the Bears. But Turner knew he at least had Olsen and Hester coming back after decent years in ’08. And they had a pretty good dea that Bennett would be able to contribute this year.
With 1/4 of the year gone, what did we do to help bolster the line immediately so we could have a shot at getting some production out of the running game and doing a better job of protecting Cutler? We traded for another defensive end… Nothing against Gaines Adams, but did we really need another defensive end as much as we need some help for Cutler and Forte on the offensive line?
That's not a Turner problem.
That’s a JA problem.
As offensive coordinator, if he doesn't ask for help, then it's his problem
Why do you think they pushed to trade for another defensive end and not a guard? Because they think the line is okay, as is.
As head of the offense, it’s his job to bring it to their attention.
JimmyMack
I like and respect your opinions. And of course, Jimmy MAC is one of my favorite QB’s of all time.
That said:
A) If Ron Turner knows LESS about the strengths and weaknesses of his personnel that either you or I or anyone else here, then we’re all in trouble. The fact is that any NFL coach knows EXACTLY what his players can and cannot do. Everything that every players does (practices & games) is on tape. You can’t fool the tape.
They know these players (good & bad) like parents know their children.
B) If the O-line is weak, then roll-out Cutler more often. That’s one thing that Jay excells at.
I'm sure does know his players better than anyone else
That’s the scary part. And he can certainly roll Cutler out more often, but that’s not going to get Fortes’ average up from 3.4 YPC – 27th in the league, if I’m not mistaken.
Personally I don't care about Forte's average
The Bears are averaging 3.8 yards per rushing attempt.
Last years two SB teams averaged LESS (Steelers – 3.7 . . . Cards – 3.5).
The Steelers and the Cards also had two of the best QB’s in the NFL (Big Ben & Kurt Warner).
So too, now, do the Bears.
The sonner everyone understands that Bears are now a PASSING team first, the better off for everyone.
Matt Forte really mattered last season with Kyle Orton. Now, with Jay Cutler? Not quite as much.
I'd still say Forte is just as important this year.
I’d still like to see Forte’s YPC increase even though we are a pass first team. I’m looking for more balance. A stronger running game leads to a stronger passing game. I don’t want to be one dimensional.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 23, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying Forte's not important
He is.
But the Bears out-rushed Atlanta (83-68) and outpassed Atlanta (300-185) and LOST.
Why?
Basically football at the NFL level is rather simple. Two words:
Timing & Finishing.
Like last year, the Bears followed up a late game TD with a BAD KICKOFF (last year’s ‘squibb kick’ and this years 62 yard return). Not good.
Bad timing . . . and it’s NOT conducive to finishing.
Pace’s offsides? If that happens in the first three quarters of the game . . . BIG DEAL. Who cares? Not me. At the end when the game is on the line . . . VERY big deal.
Critical mistakes at critical times and NOT finishing games is what gets you beat in the NFL . . . not how many yards you gain rushing the ball (or on offense as a whole).
A large percentage of games go down to the wire every week in the NFL. Who plays best (and smartest and toughest) at that point usually wins.
It’s really just that simple.
No I know that you didn't say Forte wasn't important.
I agree that timing and finishing are very important, but I’d say that consistency will lead more towards finishing. Timing is important in just about everything and consistency can lead to better timing.
Our problem is we aren’t consistent, penalties, play calling etc all fall into that. An offensively balanced and consistent team is a dangerous team.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 23, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be nice if Forte ran like the Forte of 2008
And if Cutler upgraded the passing game over Orton.
And if Lovie, now calling plays, got the defense playing great like it did a few years back.
All of that would be nice . . . and probably a little unrealistic.
The 2008 Cards had the worst rushing attack in the NFL, a very inconsistent defense and, with their passing game and 9-7 record, came within 2:37 of winning it all.
Their timing (playing their best football in all three phases in January) was IMPECCABLE.
The Steelers, longest considered a ‘smash mouth’ running team, were 23rd in rushing in 2008 . . .and won it all.
Again, to me, that’s all that matters. Making the big plays to win enough games to make the playoffs and then to win in the playoffs.
Larry Mayer has an interesting article on just exactly that.
I’d give you a link but I’d just screw it up. (multiple failed attempts) But basically he makes a good argument that Forte IS running like last year. Here’s a few quotes.
The Bears are averaging 3.8 yards per rush this season. That’s exactly what they averaged in their first five games last year before inching that number up to 3.9 yards by the end of the season.
and
Matt Forte is averaging 3.4 yards per carry with one 100-yard game this season; he averaged 3.6 yards per carry with one 100-yard outing through five contests last year.
Just thought it was an interesting take for everyone who wants to know what’s “wrong” with Matt Forte.
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Right Dave
I read that yesterday.
And that’s why I pay little attention to ‘stats.’ To me, they belong in Fantasy Football.
That’s it exactly.
Last year? The Bears ran great.
This year? They suck.
Oh, what’s that?
The Bears are averaging 3.8 yards per rush this season. That’s exactly what they averaged in their first five games last year before inching that number up to 3.9 yards by the end of the season.
Nevermind (LOL)!
Not to be condesending (LOL)
but sometimes fans KILL me.
Cutler threw for 400 yards, five TD’s and the Bears won?
Yeah, but we STILL gotta get that running game going. You know, Bear weather, Bear football, getting off the bus running, yada yada.
Forte ran for 200 yards and three TD’s? Great, but hey, we didn’t trade all that stuff to Denver to get Cutler and sign him to a new deal just to hand off to Matt Forte! I mean, Kyle could do THAT!
Sheesh.
Some people are NEVER satisfied.
All I care about is WINS! That’s it. I couldn’t care less how they manage to do it.
LOL
If, the Bears had beaten Atlanta (and Forte had gotten 3 yards for the game), we still probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. Unfortunately, their problems on the goal line put the offense and the O-line directly in the spot-light.
And yes, Cutler is a rare talent, and a very exciting player to watch. But I think this offense is capable of being one of the best in football – if we can just get some balance.
I commented on that article yesterday and the main point that I was trying to make was,
stats like that are worthless. The example I gave was, take RB #1 and say he runs for 50 yards on 10 carries with his longest run being 5 yards, then take RB#2 and say he runs for 50 yards on 10 carries with his longest run being 49 yards(an exageration, I know).
If you have a 3rd & 2 situation, who is the better choice? Both of them have the same number of yards and carries, so same average per carry, but RB#1 is virtually a lock to get your first down.
This is kind of what the problem is with the Bears this year. Whether it’s the line, Forte, or a combination of both, there is no way you can count on them at all in crucial situations. I don’t have any way to prove it, but it seems like last year that 3.6 yards per carry was more reliable.
Exactly, you can spin stats different ways
For example, if you throw out Forte’s 61 yard TD run at Seattle, which Forte created by bouncing out right after the left side of the line collapsed (as GB pointed out) – his YPC average drops way down, to something like below 3.0…
If you throw out Cutler’s 30 yard scramble, the team YPC average goes down even further….
On the goal-line, with the game hanging in the balance, we couldn’t run the ball to save our lives. That’s a bit of a concern to some of us.
Stats can be useful, but you have to be careful with them.
Right JimmyMack
Look at SF. The supposed ‘smash mouth’ Mike Singletary is actually passing more than running.
Frank Gore has played in three games and rushed for 241 yards. Take away his two long TD’s (combined 159 yards) and he has rushed for 82 yards.
The 49ers are ‘winning’ by playing tough, physical football, not turning it over, and making just enough plays at the end (usually in the passing game) to win, the loss in Minnesota notwithstanding.
You are probably correct BF611
and you make a good point.
There’s no doubt: They have to rush better on short yardage (3rd & 2, goalline, etc).
No doubt about it and there’s no logical reason why they can’t.
Geo, i have to disagree here, we absolutely have to rush better for short yardage.
But, i think the reason is that our O-Line is patchworked, it seems logical to me. i guess it’s just semantics, but it’s not like it is a giant mystery, our offensive lineman, are either out of position (G playing T) over the hill, or inexperienced. not a good combo for protecting the “franchise” or establishing a running game.. IMO
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by BearNecessities on Oct 23, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree BN
as I said above.
They HAVE to be able to ‘punch it in’ or get a first down with a few yards remaining.
Absolutely. No question. 100%.
What OL players were available?
Also what were they asking for a trade? That is stuff you need to know before you accuse JA of not making a move.
I'm not sure that Adams was really "available" - was he?
It hasn’t been established that the Bucs were actively shopping him to other clubs and listening to offers. All I know is Raheem Morris told him that he needed to get double digit sacks in training camp this year – or he’d be a bust. We do know that Marinelli had coveted him since the 2007 draft – I read that. That’s fine, and I really hope that he helps us long term. But that wasn’t the most pressing need. If we were willing to give up a second round pick that easily on a guy who some people think is a bust, then why not try to make a deal for a decent O-lineman.
Bottom line – Gaines Adams was more of a long-term move. Possibly as insurance against Adwale Ogunley taking a big offer somewhere else. But what about trying to get some help on the line and fix the running game so that we can win THIS year?
Now, next year, I’m hoping that if Wale becomes a free agent, Adams gets 15 sacks, and I will eat my words! LOL
hey, i think i just agreed with what you wrote
You said it far better than I did above. Thanks
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What a beautiful article
I’m gonna favorite it for future reference.
Disclaimer
Those stats are awful, what this doesn’t take into account is that Turner’s calls aren’t predictable compared to the rest of the league, they are predictable compared to Turner.
1. 60% of passes on first downs = always going to be a quick screen to RB, failed attempt at bubble screen, or WR quick out…NEVER any other sort of pass
50% runs on 3rd and 10 = Turner has no balls and won’t go for it even though we have a PRO BOWL QB
I find myself shaking my head
more and more after your posts…
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LOL.
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by David Taylor on Oct 23, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say nodding.
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Hah
That is fine.
I was discussing this article with my father and brother earlier and there is no way to justify Turner’s unimaginative offense. Don’t get me wrong, I have 100% confidence in all our our players and their abilities (maybe not Omiyale but I like what i have seen at almost every other position at some point this season) and think we can win regardless of Ron Turner’s limited abilities as a play caller. I don’t want to be as negative as a lot of people have been lately so it was an excellent effort by Pompei to defend Turner, but Sundays speak for themselves, and the reality is since we have had Turner our offense hasn’t been consistently successful.
We have the tools to be a top 10 offense this year but Turner has to open up the playbook more.
As to expand on the 3rd down stat: So the Bears run the ball 50% of the time on 3rd and 10. (yes 50%). How many running plays have we had this season that get 10 yards on any down? It is understandable if you are backed up in your own zone, but what other team with one of the strongest armed QBs in the league runs the ball 50% of the time on 3rd and 10. So the stat is right, it isn’t predictable, it is a lack of confidence. Throw a freaking fade or slant, give us a shot.
Pre-season
Remember how cool our offense looked in the pre-season? We were throwing screens to Olsen (yes another screen but an unconventional one that picked up a good 5) and going deep to D.A.? Our offense looked loose, was having fun, and looked like something special. I think our play book has shrunk since then.
Turner has said over the last couple of weeks
that as the offense continues to understand everything thrown at them, he will continue to expand the playbook. With so many new players, you can’t expect to be able to swallow everything all at once.
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True
about the new players. I am just saying, it is week 7 plus 4 pre-season games and a handful of OTA sessions; do we ride the short bus to away games?
When I was a senior in high school,
I had the privilege of meeting Mike Ditka and Danny Abramowicz when Ditka was the HC and Danny was the OC for the Saints.
We (our football team) were invited to a conference given to members of the high school athletic association, and certain players, myself included, were invited to meet them after the dinner was over.
Abramowicz had his playbook, bound in three different volumes, and showed us how detailed it was. It read like a scientific manual, and seemed like it collectively was as big as the bible.
Abramowicz was not even as much of a scholar as most OCs, and had not been compiling his material for nearly as long as someone like Ron Turner. He said himself that he probably had one of the smaller playbooks in the league (he had been a special teams coach during his career).
There is no way that after only a few short months of learning Turner’s offense, you deem our new offensive players as “short bus” material.
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by Dane Noble on Oct 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great post.
Rec’d for sure.
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by David Taylor on Oct 23, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That is a cool story (not sarcasm).
But, I don’t see any other teams using the excuse that “our guys aren’t comfortable with the playbook” as an excuse for repetitive play calling. Granted we aren’t other teams, but maybe we need to figure out a way to excel our players faster. Maybe that is one of Turner’s weaknesses.
No one said anything about
our guys not being comfortable.
You said the offense looked good in the pre-season, and that the playbook seemed to have shrunk since then.
I said that Turner had mentioned several times adding to it and expanding it as our guys get more comfortable.
Then you said that the last few months should have sufficed for them to have learned it.
The truth is, I trust Turner to know when to add things and when to not.
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Agree to disagree
I respect your opinion.
My point though is that if they knew it in pre-season, why don’t they know it now? Obviously I don’t want us to come out and run the exact same sequence of plays we ran against NYG for example, but just curious as to where some of that fire power in the play calling went. Good chat, stop shaking head.
With all due respect brands735
the preseason is a joke.
You simply CANNOT reference what a team did or didn’t do in the preseason and then use it as a basis for the regular season
The preseason is practice. Nothing more or less.
Not judging the team, judging the play calling.
If it is practice, why practice plays you won’t use?
...Shakes head...
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Isn’t one of the purposes of an area for fan to posts their responses to articles to stimulate conversation and allow people to express their opinions? GB sort of makes it hard for that but honestly okay with that. I stated my opinion and why I think Ron Turner is our weak link in the offense (#68 is second).
All I can tell you is this
In the preseaon the 49ers had ‘maybe’ one sack. They put almost NO pressure on the QB’s.
The fans were screaming about their ‘lack of a pass rush’ and how the defense would suck because they had NONE and don’t the coaches KNOW that great defense starts upfront?
What, are the coaches STUPID. Don’t they know that?
What happens?
Opening day they go into Phoenix, sack Warner three times and harrass him ALL day as they win the game.
Best part? They do it with almost NO blitzing.
In fact, ex-player and current Cardinal broadcaster Ron Wolfley said that, to him, the difference in the game was that the 49ers were able to get pressure on Warner all do WITHOUT blitzing while the Cardinals had to blitz constantly in that game.
So much for their ‘almost sack-less, pressure-less’ pre-season.
The preseason is a time for the coaches to ‘practice plays’ and check out rookies (and for the vets to get a little used to another upcoming season).
That’s ALL. Nothing can be taken from thhat going forward.
For example, GB had one of the best preseasons in the league. I don’t recall any concern over their O-Line then.
Three games into the season, that’s all anyone now talks about.
I agree pre-season doesn’t mean that much, but I am talking about a team calling plays (so we know they CAN do it but decide not to). Not getting too in-depth about how teams performed, just simple play calling. I know the plays are there, and at one point we were willing to expirement with them, but have no stashed them away again.
Also, the Cardinals line this year has looked like 5 Omiyales playing together (See Sunday night gave vs. Indy). But yes, SF’s D has been impressive.
But that line is the EXACT same players
in Arizona that got them to the SB last season.
It’s hard to figure out. I sure can’t.
Last year AZ had a bunch of ugly games in the regular season too so who knows. They are really a hard team to figure out.
Yeah they did
but they were almost flawless in the playoffs when it mattered.
Why? They are a mentally ‘soft’ team that took great exception to being labelled the worst playoff team in history.
Being disprespected like that before the playoffs began lit a fire under their collective Asses.
They came out on fire as if someone had insulted everyone of their mothers.
That more than anything explains it.
I doubt they ran nearly as much
in the pre-season (practice games) as they are now.
And I’ll stop shaking my head when you stop making outlandish comments that you can’t back up, like:
60% of passes on first downs = always going to be a quick screen to RB, failed attempt at bubble screen, or WR quick out…NEVER any other sort of pass
But yes, good talk.
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You just don't understand the difference
in the original post versus the comment section.
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I bet you wish...
you had the trade back now!
Too late, suckah! ;)
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by David Taylor on Oct 23, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
has that ignore feature
been implemented yet?
Yahoo had one years ago
in their tournament-style games that came with chat rooms.
It’d definitely be an interesting feature to have here…
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yeah i called pompei
and asked him how he got this info:
always going to be a quick screen to RB, failed attempt at bubble screen, or WR quick out…NEVER any other sort of passbut he said it sounded like something a dumbass on a blog would say, and that i wasn’t him. so i guess the mystery continues.
prove this
60% of passes on first downs = always going to be a quick screen to RB, failed attempt at bubble screen, or WR quick out…NEVER any other sort of pass
did you or pompei say this:
= always going to be a quick screen to RB, failed attempt at bubble screen, or WR quick out…NEVER any other sort of pass
so again, prove that.
and for future reference if someone quotes you and somone elses’s words in the same quote box, and tells you to prove something, they are talking about the dumb shit you said.
sorry
no time to watch my dvr-ed games and take tallies. that is what pompei is paid to do (and then write about it, lucky guy) so if you really want to know ask him.
pompei knows why you're making shit up?
always going to be a quick screen to RB, failed attempt at bubble screen, or WR quick out…NEVER any other sort of pass
you’re right, stupid people.
Yes he can answer it
He could probably tell you the location of passes on first downs (left, center, right and short, medium, and long). Why do you want to know so bad?
just trying to determine
if there was any actual merit to that comment you made or if you jsut pulled it out of your ass. question answered.
of couse it has merit, everybody knows...
“60% of the time, it works, every time.”
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by David Taylor on Oct 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
“hey, this stat is bunk because THIS is what always happens. oh, and i have no data to back that up.” what a joke.
Can't argue with that.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 23, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
50% of ron turner's run calls
are qb sneaks that cutler audibles out of.
LOL.
And the other 70% of them are bubble screens. I don’t have any stats to prove that, but everyone who watches knows it.
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by David Taylor on Oct 23, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
smudgers
these comments below the fold are mine.
I would know that...
but please use the reply button, if you wanna talk to me directly. It puts your responses under mine.
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by David Taylor on Oct 23, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Rex Grossman.
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Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.
The site works like this:
Pompei’s quotes are in GB’s original article up above. My posts are down here in the fan posting area.
ask dumb questions and you get dumb answers
no stupid questions, just stupid people
Those stats are BS. Turner is predictable. Both on Run/pass and the type of runs. I smell it out everytime. Imagine what the defense is doing.
2nd and 10? Run up the middle. I call screen passes to my brother based on formation, down and distance.
Turner blows calls. Now he may make a call like the pitch to Forte where he fumbled. And it may be a good call if executed. My problem is that he doesn’t make the “best” call. (Fullback dive at the wrong time) And its documented numerous times the last 2 years. Pompei can shove those stats up the wazoo. They are BOGUS stats, irrelevant when discussing a OC’s performance.
How about the numerous times when we get great field position and end up going 3 and out? Even with Cutler.
Why does Maynard lead the universe in pinning the ball inside the 20? Cuz our handicapped Turner offense can’t move the ball at midfield!!! Time after Time, Maynard has to punt.
When do you call a bootleg? Turner doesn’t know. He has no feel.
Does Turner have any “special plays?” To use on, i don’t know, 4th and 6? Hester? Forte out of the backfield? Olsen? Bueller?
The design of the offense is where Turner fails. Route combinations, clearing a zone on 4th and 6 to guarantee a wide open receiver. Runs that have zero misdirection ( I’ve seen one play where the back starts one way and then turns following the pulling lineman, that’s a good play that usually gets good yardage)
Its just frustrating when so many fans see it. And “Experts” are defending Turner.
by Trey23 on Oct 23, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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