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EVERYONE thrives outside Chicago

 

The folks who enjoy questioning every move made by the Chicago Bears’ front office use this as a mantra, and they say it so often that they actually believe they’ve made their point by talking about Kyle Orton, Cedric Benson, and everyone else in David Haugh’s article ad nauseum.  (Disclaimer:  I think the Bears’ front office is FAR from perfect, but listing the release of Cedric Benson as evidence of this is simply asinine, for reasons all true and informed NFL fans understand.)

 

The simple fact of the matter is that this happens to EVERY ballclub.  In fact, the entire subject is entirely counter-intuitive, as sometimes the very best organizations let the very best talent walk away.  Why?  Because they already have such talent pools and are so stocked at certain positions that they can’t accommodate more good players.  I simply have to point at our beloved Robbie Gould as evidence of this.  The guy has been As Good As Gold for the Bears, and the Patriots once cut him!  Gasp!  How could they DO such a thing?  Well, for one, they had this guy named Adam Vinatieri kicking for them at the time.  Do you think Patriot fans sit around and question Belichik for cutting one of the best kickers in the game?

 

Furthermore, with the nature of Free Agency nowadays, and the fickleness of the draft, it has become the norm for good players to go to other organizations than those which drafted them.

 

A quick look at the statistical leaders of this season reveals that the Bears are far from the only NFL organization that has let players go, only to see them thrive in different surroundings. 

 

QB:  Matt Schaub is second in the NFL in passing yards for the Houston Texans, after being drafted by the Atlanta Falcons. Kurt Warner – NFC champion QB last season – was let go by both the Rams and the GiantsDrew Brees is having MVP-caliber seasons for the Saints after being drafted by the Chargers.

 

RB:  Thomas Jones has 481 yards rushing, at a 5.0 average clip, for the New York Jets after having spent time with the Cardinals, Buccaneers, and Bears.  Clinton Portis seems to be doing very well in Washington after being drafted by Denver.  How about Michael Turner thriving in Atlanta after being drafted by the Chargers?

 

WR:  Exhibit #1, Randy Moss.  Hmmm….has he ever played for any team but the Patriots?  Torry Holt, formerly of the Rams, has over 400 yards receiving for the JaguarsNate Burleson has 398 receiving yards for Seattle, after being drafted by the Vikings.

 

Defense:  London Fletcher is leading the NFL in tackles for the Redskins, after time with both the Rams and the BillsAntwan Odom of the Bengals and Jared Allen of the Vikings are #2 and #3 in the NFL in sacks, after beginning their careers in Tennessee and Kansas City, respectively.  Darren Sharper is leading the NFL in interceptions in New Orleans, after many years in both Green Bay and Minnesota.  Asante Samuel is #2 in picks in the NFL for Philadelphia, after beginning his career in New England.

 

That’s just what I could find in a few minutes on NFL.com using the first 6 games of this season.  A quick glance at last season’s leaders shows a similar pattern.  Brees, Warner, and Jay Cutler led the NFL in passing yards in 2008 – two of them with different-than-original teams, and of course Cutler changed teams this offseason.  Turner, Portis, and Jones were #2, #4, and #5 in the NFL in rushing last season.  Joey Porter, John Abraham, and Jared Allen were #2, #3, and #5 in the NFL in sacks last season.

 

I didn’t even go into the offensive lines, as I’m not sophisticated enough to be able to statistically grade their play and rank them.  However, the movement of OL players from team-to-team is no different than that of other positions.  Fans in Seattle still talk about some guy named ‘Steve Hutchinson’.  Is he doing well nowadays?

 

Currently, there are four undefeated teams in the NFL: Indianapolis, Denver, Minnesota, and New Orleans.  Only one of these four ball-clubs is led by a QB that they drafted.  Is Chicago any worse of an organization than Green Bay, New York (Jets), or San Diego?  Or, could the play of Orton, Brees, and Favre be used as single data points to prove this?

 

For ‘former players being successful in other organizations’ to be used as fodder to prove that the Chicago Bears’ front office doesn’t know their poop from apple butter, one would have to do a study of ALL 32 organizations, or at least a significant sample of those with consistent winning, losing, and mediocre seasons.  Then one could accurately judge the Bears’ propensity to let good talent go against other organizations within the NFL, and not simply look at the Bears’ player-history in a vacuum.

 

And what about the flip-side of the coin?  How many players have the Bears let go that have failed with other organizations and left the NFL?  Do the folks who think the Bears neglected Benson and made a huge mistake by letting him go also feel the same way about Tank Johnson?  In my opinion, one can’t logically discuss one situation (letting good players go) without discussing the other (letting bad players go). 

 

Of course, nobody who writes these other articles (I’m calling you out, angryandy and David Haugh) is going to do a cogent, logical, statistically-relevant study and subsequent article about this subject.  It’s much easier to write angry, second-guessing, hindsight-filled hit pieces.

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Darren Sharper

is such a beast, the bears would be 5-0 with him.

If you want to crown em...

by JohnnyTruant on Oct 25, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a good post,

but I feel you are using some players in your examples that don’t fit that. Bears fans are thinking that everyone thrives outside of Chicago because those players didn’t play well while in Chicago. So to use players such as Clinton Portis, Torry Holt, Jared Allen, Steve Hutchinson, among others, for this argument isn’t smart. All those players had very successful careers with their first team, and carried that success elsewhere. However, players like Matt Schaub, Michael Turner (to an extent), and Antwan Odom fit this argument perfectly. Sometimes a change in scenery is just what a player needs.

by DieHardBearsCubs on Oct 25, 2009 1:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Two points

Thanks for the reply, but…..

1. The original fanpost listed both Kyle Orton and Cedric Benson as examples. I didn’t differentiate between the player’s performance with their original team because, contrary to the belief of some, Kyle Orton had a good career in Chicago and I believe most Chicago fans definitely appreciate his time with the club.

2. The argument can go both ways.

A: If a player is successful with his original club, but the team trades him or allows him to walk away, is that club at fault for letting a good player go? Were they right for getting value for a good player, or for not paying a player who is asking for too much, or were they wrong for simply not keeping a good player?

B: If a non-productive player is let go and subsequently produces for a different team, is the original team at fault for not developing him? Or are they right in letting go a player who simply didn’t produce?

by Sweetness Lives On on Oct 25, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor argument

Disclaimer: I think the Bears’ front office is FAR from perfect, but listing the release of Cedric Benson as evidence of this is simply asinine, for reasons all true and informed NFL fans understand

Wiki

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by RightFieldSucks on Oct 26, 2009 12:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whatever

Okay, how about this argument:

1. Benson held out for 36 days as a rookie, missing a great deal of practice and playing time, yet he publicly claimed he’d be starting by game 3 despite his holdout. This did not endear him to his veteran teammates. It also allowed Thomas Jones to impress the coaching staff.

2. His best game of his rookie season was 80 yards against the Saints, and soon after he suffered an MCL strain and missed the rest of the season.

3. Benson injured his shoulder in a 2006 preseason collision with Brian Urlacher and missed a majority of the preseason. There were even whispers that Benson felt Urlacher hit him too hard for the preseason, though I don’t know that these were ever confirmed as coming from Cedric.

4. After a few years of not producing due to his own rookie hold-out and injuries, Cedric’s big mouth began to appear when he said that “the NFL is not like high school or college, but the best players don’t always get on the field”. Benson hadn’t deserved the majority of playing time over Thomas Jones – he flat-out didn’t deserve it (I was rooting for him and a fan of his at the time, and even I knew this) – yet somehow Benson believed he’d earned it. That’s selfish and narcissistic.

5. Benson finally began to produce later in the Bears 2006 NFC Championship team. Although, it could be argued that ANY back could have produced for that team, with that OL, defense, and special teams. And much of Cedric’s production came late in games, such as his TD to seal the NFC Championship game, only after Thomas Jones had rushed for 123 yards, most ever by a Bear in a postseason game.

6. Benson made the most of his Super Bowl appearance and grabbed the spotlight with both a fumble and a knee injury in the first half.

7. Benson started the 2007 season by committing a costly turnover in the first game, and followed that with both some respectable games and some inconsistent play. However, he suffered yet another season-ending ankle injury after gaining 647 yards during the season.

8. Benson was arrested for Boating While Intoxicated on his 37-foot yacht near Austin, Texas in early May, 2008. It’s entirely possible that his yacht was longer than any of his runs during his time with the Bears. Benson was refusing to cooperate with the police during the questioning, and when the police attempted to arrest Benson he resisted arrest. He claimed racism by the local police in this arrest, which some people may have actaully believed until….

9. A month later, in early June 2008, Benson was stopped for a traffic violation after drinking. He was arrested and charged with his second DWI/DUI in a month. He was subsequently ordered by the court to install an ‘Interlock’ device on his automobile to prevent him from driving drunk. Even though Benson had been paid $13.7 million by the Chicago Bears to this point in time, he did not understand the concepts of ‘professional driver’, ‘limosine’, nor ‘taxicab’.

There – how that argument for you?

I typed it out for you, even though you should have known it in the first place.

Now, what is your counter-argument?? I’m waiting.

by Sweetness Lives On on Oct 26, 2009 4:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy there 'sweetness'

I never claimed to disagree with you. Sure, many to most of Benson’s problems were probably brought on by his a attitude and his holdout (which might be a byproduct of his attitude). But isn’t the job of a good coach to find a way to reach a surly and immature player? Clearly Lovie couldn’t do it….are you claiming that not a coach in the NFL could have gotten anything out of Benson at that point?

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by RightFieldSucks on Oct 26, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be a tool, RFS

First off, you said that the ‘argument’ was poor, even though you now state that you never claimed to disagree. Logically, if you agreed with the argument, it was either A) not poor, or B) a given. You basically ‘picked a fight’ with me on the internet by stating this. Easy where, PFS? Easy THERE (wherever you are), not here.

Secondly, read what I originally posited – that ‘the release of Cedric Benson’ is not a evidence that the Bears’ front office sucks. You’re changing arguments now, by talking about Lovie being able to coach Cedric Benson.

You could claim that picking Cedric Benson fourth in the draft is evidence that the front office sucks; or that failing to develop him is evidence, possibly. But I worded my post very specifically on this point, a nuance which you apparently completely missed.

Clearly Lovie couldn’t do it….are you claiming that not a coach in the NFL could have gotten anything out of Benson at that point?

I never stated anything about how Lovie should have been able to develop Cedric, or that no other coach could have. Quit moving the goalpoasts around, or write your own post and answer it yourself.

The only thing I’m claiming is that after a holdout, three seasons of injuries, and two DUIs, the Chicago Bears had no choice but to cut Cedric Benson.

I also believe that God helps those who help themselves, and Cedric Benson was, in my opinion, beyond hope. I don’t know what he’s been drinking lately, but he’s apparently turned his life around. Blaming the entire fiasco on the Bears and not Cedric Benson absolutely destroys any notions of personal responsibility.

by Sweetness Lives On on Oct 26, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Happens at every ball club '''

But Chicago must be the league leaders at this …

by Irish Bears Fan on Oct 26, 2009 2:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay...

…prove it! That’s why I wrote this.

by Sweetness Lives On on Oct 26, 2009 4:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HE ISN'T MIKE VICK

Benson was a young guy givin a ton of money and may have had a drinking and ego problem and a ton of talent. Drinking and ego problems go hand in hand. You don’t give up on a player that youngwithout exploring all options. Also you trade your most productive running back until you know you r back can step in. Example Walter Payton and Neal Anderson.

by mbear on Oct 26, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs


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