Not here to brag about Orton/ diss Cutler
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 5:12 PM CDT
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PrintAs you can probably tell by my avtar I am a Broncos fan. First off the title is true, I am not here to rip on Cutler or say "we won the trade." I am here to support your Quarterback.
Jay has the ability to be the best QB in the league. He is more physically gifted than Manning or Brady. He lacks concentration at times and relies on his abilities rather than his brains to make the play . Some times that can be disastrous. Other times His decision making, internal clock and all that Jazz are what need to be fixed. The options out there as QB coach are relatively think anymore so I wanted to bring a few of those guys to light as possible hires as OC/HC options next year.
Gary Kubiak- Developed Jake Plummer into a game winner and had him become less error prone while he was in Denver. Cutler lost out on his tutelidge because He took the HC job in Houston. If Houston misses the playoffs there is a chance he will be availible as OC.
Jim Zorn- Chances of him remaining HC in Washington after this season are slim. He could be had as a QB Coach/ OC (No play calling duties). As a QB Coach he can do a pretty good job.
Todd Haley- Another good OC that maybe in over his head in KC.
Mike Shannahan- If you want to get rid of Jerry Angelo and Lovie I think this is your man. He will pander to Jay Cutler but he will help him grow as well.
Norv Turner- Ron's Brother is a little better OC than Ron. He also is in over his head as a HC so he might not mind the demotion.
Keep in mind we took a former HC who was in over his head in Nolan and we have a pretty stellar Defense.
just some thoughts and look forward to playing you guys again. Maybe this time we make more of a game out of it.
Cheers and best wishes on the season!
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i could deal w/
kubiak as oc maybe hc
i want nothing to do with JIm Zorn..
I could take Haley as OC anyday. I dunno bout HC
Shannahan could be HC, would like him better at OC tho..
Norv Turner? Really? no.. no more turners.. never ever again..
wel just an option with Norv
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by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
Norv has a talented team that is always underachieving and i dont want another one of those. We had a pretty good team earlier this decade under coach jauron and lovie was supposed to take that team and get us over the hump. and he almost did one year and then the past two seasons happened and into this one..
good post btw
not a Norv fan but figured I would put him out there
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Please go back to Mile High and tell your friends to quit coming over here ever week to pat themselves on the back.
Second, Jay Cutler is the least of any problems on this team. Secondary, Defensive Line, and Offensive Line, are much more the reason for our losses. Jay’s picks this last game were mostly meaningless desparation picks / frustration picks. He is not the issue.
Kick it to me... I'm open!
fair however
after reading the past few weeks I notice guys that come over here tend to be respectful (not always) and we have a problem with Bronco fans who are not MHR Community members coming and talking trash he same as you have bears fans coming over to talk crap on our site.
I will admit Cutler is not your biggest problem but he is a big detractor from the win. correct me if I am wrong but it is essentially the same o line RB and WR from last year? if so you guys did well with another QB under center however, there is a lot to learn with
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
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by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
actually
3 new Olineman( Pace, Omiyale, and Willaims), and 2 new wr’s ( bennett who did not play, and knox)
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
ok
so there was some turnover which means it will take some time to gel. Fair enough
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish it was that easy!
The LG is awful and I am afraid he will never work out. Our perrenial all pro center Kreutz I am afraid has hit the wall this year and has deteriorated badly (not good timing). I could live with an aging Pace at LT if the other 2 were decent. So I am not sure the gelling is going to happen until free agency.
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
So who would you keep on the line?
If you had your way and cap hits didnt matter who would you dump?
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Our RG Garza
and the right tackle Willaims is going to be a fine player so we should be fine there.
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
thats a lot of O-Line over haul
wow.
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone thought it was for the better
but hasn’t worked out. If you can’t run the ball and become one dimensional plus can’t pass block = rough life for Jay Cutler. It is amazing he only has 9-10 sacks..
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
I dont wish injury on anyone
so I hope they find there game or Cutler could get hurt big time
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Kreutz, pace and Omiyale should be gone from day one
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
I'm just here for the draft pick
Wouldn’t matter a bit to me how the Bears do, except we still have their #1 draft pick from next year, so it matters to me how they finish up this year. Another ‘bonehead’ move by the Bronco’s front office, keeping the Bears’ 2010 number one pick instead of their own.
doesn't that show confidence
in your team?
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
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by Jon Tollerud on Oct 27, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Well you might be the bonehead at this point
Your Broncos have a better record than the Bears, so the trade for the Donkeys pick to get Smith seems pretty wise.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
Maybe we could just ignore this post?
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions
Or maybe we are just tired of talking about it already...
Get over it. Was the Broncos such a piece of shit before hoodie Jr. that this is all you can do? I mean I know Denver is much to start with but come on, get over it already.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
because you morons
maybe not you, but you fit the bill right now…. continue to post the same shit over and over.
“i wonder why”
“orton is god, i wanna slob his knob”
“cutler redzone int rate is so high”
“hell cost you games, but then dazzle you with a throw”
how many times do we have to say
“great, we’re happy with the trade” before you believe us?
go revel at MHR about your victorious trade… or as i have stated in another post
if it is Cutler you hate, please refer here http://twitter.com/jaycutler6
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
say it with me...
goosefrabbbbaaa
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
Cmon BN that was funny....
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
lol
woooosaaaaaa
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
or you can go with ...
SERENITY NOW! SERENITY NOW!
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
As soon as you
stop acting like a broken record then we can have a civilized conversation about football. There’s really nothing left to be said at this point, no stone unturned. Make sense?
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
Its your right
not here to pick a fight wondering your thoughts.
Besides being a Bronco fan I run a sports show here in Alaska. I try to be as objective in my NFL opinion as possible and I want the FANS of each team to give me their opinions
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
and the only reason
i wanted to have this ignored, is yes, based upon my generalized and often biased opinion i have generated of most bronco fans over the last few gameday weeks, this childish behavior has led me to find broncos fans, guilty until proven innocent.
which you seem to be, on the level, and with genuine insight
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
thank you
and like was said at the bottom maybe we should wait two days before posting after a loss. I am just trying to shore up my radio program for the week so I gotta get the facts ASAP
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
all good
and that’s what i have been saying
jumping over here during a losing game, and right after a loss… reference KentuckyBronco… good guy
but people are just stupid sometimes, and come saying idiotic things
Cutler is getting hit and throws a pass, and it gets tipped and intercepted and we get
“LUUULLLZZZZ told you, cuntler sucks ballzzzz” -it’s really not needed, and gives the rest of you bad names
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Omg
Not another Bronco fan post on “not here to rip Cutler” post. There should be a spoof horror football movie released very soon.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
as above
looking for the fans perspective to help with our sports program.
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
No harm no foul
It’s just been duplicated like ten times here already. If the tables were turned, you and everyone over at MHR would be annoyed as well.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
if it was gloating yeah I would be a little peeved
but fair logical debate from any fan is always welcome at MHR we have our fair share of Bronco Trolls on our own site no worries. One of my favorite posters over there is McGeorge who is less than thrilled we traded Jay and doenst really like McDaniels but he backs it up with logic and facts and that fine. Thats what the majority f MHR is after
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
unfortunately thats not what happens here
we get nothing for 3 straight winning weeks when cutler drove us back down the field to reclaim the lead, or threw his body across the endzone.
but when he throws a pick, we get cherrypicked stats thrown at us
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Its unfortunate
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks
for your concern and support jon. some of the posters on here are a little sensitive about the loss sunday still (and rightfully so) but I appreciate your concern.
always good to know our options. some interesting options may be available in the offseason.
dont wish you guys harm
the Only w I would ever wish on you is one to the broncos but other than that i like competitive football for 60 min.
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It's really too bad
that Lovie will most likely return next year. Turner will be gone, but most of the staff will be back. Shanny and Kubiak back at again would be my most wanted coaches for the Bears. I’m tired of DC becoming HC for the Bears.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
Interesting look at the numbers:
Year Team G GS W-L Cmp. Att. Cmp.% Yards Avg. TD Int. Long Sacked Sack Yards Lost QB Rating
2005 Chicago 15 15 10-5 190 368 51.6% 1,869 5.9 9 13 54 30 190 59.7
2006 Chicago 0 0 0-0 0 0 – 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
2007 Chicago 3 3 2-1 43 80 53.8% 478 6.0 3 2 55 2 12 73.9
2008 Chicago 15 15 9-6 272 465 58.5% 2,972 6.4 18 12 65 27 160 79.6
2009 Denver 6 6 6-0 124 194 63.9% 1,465 7.6 9 1 87 9 49 100.1
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Orton is coming into a system that fits him
not that he was bad in Chicago but he was asked to more than he maybe capable of. He was asked to be the playmaker for so long and thats not his game, It’s cutler’s. I say two or three real good drafts separate you from the consistent competitors in the post season. Like wise I think we still need one or two drafts for that too
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that...
Orton is a system that fits his style better. Read the D, find the open underneath and let the receiver work after the catch. I think if you had Cutler still he’d be killing Hoodie Jr., that’s why he tried to Cassel. He knew what he had in Cutler and what he wanted to run his system. Cutler also knew what Hoodie Jr., was going to do and he didn’t want to change his style. I think that trade had to be made, it just so happens that JA came with the best offer.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
and to that I say good luck
and I am sure if THAT was how it had gone people wouldnt be so “My bike is better than your bike”
but the way Jay left kind of got Bronco fans bitter
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
He cried his way out of Denver...
but when he met with McDaniels, I imagine the schemes were talked about and he knew his style wasn’t going to play in the new system. McDaniels already knew that when he tried to get Cassel.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
yeah and McDaniels
seems to be a decent evaluator of talent. So He knew what would work and what wouldn’t. I miagine it was
“this is what we want to do”
“Thats not my game coach”
“Make it your game Jay”
“No way coach”
“Then we have a problem”
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
and we can only speculate
what really happened. and then it just became a matter of pride, imo. which in the national media spotlight, becomes cry baby-ish
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah on both sides
but when we saw Coach get tough with Marshall we knew that he wasnt doing it JUST to get cutler out of town! I really think thats when Bronco Nation got behind coach!
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Two of your members in particular
lolcopter and grindcore are especially bad. These are two pretty regular posters at MHR and they really try to rub people the wrong way over here.
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
those names make me wish
i knew where they lived
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
they do a good job of playing devils advocate there too
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats how i think of it as well.
It just wasn’t meant to be, many of us enjoyed watching Cutler when he was a bronco. Now he is a bear that has changed a bit but i do think he can be a good QB but he like all other QBs need the pieces around him to make it work.
Jon is a fine writer over at MHR
and seems like a pretty decent guy. Let’s not lump him in with the others. Sorry Jon, but we are a little scarred with some of your faithful constantly over here rubbing our noses in it..
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
Yes the opposite of you over here
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
Is that suppose to be an insult or a compliment?
Because what I’ve seen from the MHR brethen is more like the computer geek that use to wedgies and swirlies in high school, comes back for a 20 year reunion in a limo and a hot model on his arm and wants to show off in front of the jocks who are still in town and work at the factory and the head cheerleader who is now 40 lbs heavier with 3 kids, and she doesn’t the daddy of any of them.
I can’t wait till Orton throws a clunker, I swear to God Almighty, I’m posting a new thread at MHR every hours talking about how Orton can’t handle the pressures, and how the Bears got the better of them, and God help the Broncos if Orton goes down with an ankle injury, KO is KO’d by being made of Glass.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
why would you wish a bad game on anyone?
Bad games and injuries shouldn’t be wished on anyone.
As for Kyle Orton, he has been hit pretty hard thus far in the season. In the patriots game there was a roughing the passer call (clearly 2 seconds after he threw the ball) that was blown because Orton didnt jump up and down for the flag. From everything I have seen he is a tough SOB.
Jay has that about him too he can take the hit. You should be happy Sexy Rexy isnt your starter there is a glass player!
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
physically and mentally (Rexy)...
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
+7
thats tops from a broncos fan BTW (never guess why? ha ha :-))
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
No....
I hope Orton does well, I was kinda of saddened when he was traded. I thought, and still do, that he could have been a QB for the Bears, but the Head-Shed here and alot of fans wanted the “Sizzle”. Give me a Big name with a Big Arm. I don’t think Cutler will flourish in Chicago unless the system is changed to meet his style but that’s another story.
I just so tired of hearing from Bronco fans about how we were taken to the cleaners and blah, blah, blah.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
i was excited
to see Orton finally get a shot at being the uncontested QB, and a second full year in the system. and i think somewhere in the neighborhood of 3,300 yds, and 15-19TDS and 7 INTs would have been standard.
but even with the records and whatnot, if you told me anyday, now, then, tomorrow that Cutler for Orton and some 1st rounders, i’d still take it, even if we end up 3-13
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
trades have to benifit both sides
or it wont happen. No one got taken everyone got what they wanted!
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you know another key thing here
is that Orton was brought in, basically, to operate the same way. short precise timed passes. don’t take huge risks (unless winning) and he has a great running game, upgraded WRs and a massively improved OLine to work behind
but Cutler has completely had to adjust, no Oline, can’t sling it down field, receivers aren’t on the same page.
there are so many ins and outs that explain the struggles by Cutler and succes by Orton so far
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
True
and it’s way too early to call Jay a bust or anything negative like that. Once a passing system is implemented to cater to his style, including improved line and WR play, the Bears offense should be good. Angelo’s only choice is too be active in free-agency next season based on the lack of quality draft picks, and the fact that the Bears need to fill two spots on the line (RT and G).
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
also
a FS and the argument could even be made for a CB
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely
Somebody in the secondary needs to be a playmaker at some point.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
starting to look like
we need a whole new team almost, but hey, at least we have McKie
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
dont forget our center who is absolutely done.
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
I'm assuming
that Beekman will take over the reigns at center, while Williams is shifted to LT, Omiyale and Garza duke it out in training camp with either a draftee or FA signing.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
Ole should be duking it out for back up RT..
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
Yeah maybe
depends on how he grades out the rest of the season at LG. Hopefully not as crappy as the first six games.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
agreed
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Right on Jon, I made apost over here awhileback making that same point.
Our new DOOMesday Defense!!!! YOU LIKE??????????????
Would you care to elaborate what Cutler's style might be ...
…that the system needs to be changed to? I’m not here to rave about KO or rant about JC but the thing that gets me the most is that Bears fans consistently questioned KO’s shortcomings while they seem to give JC a complete pass.
Yes, he is a talented, strong-armed QB who has the potential to be the best but unless you call him out on his mistakes, he isn’t going to improve. Shanny never did it with him in Denver & I’m afraid I don’t see Lovie doing it in Chicago either.
Someone needs to shake him up and tell him that he cannot behave like a petulant child who’s sulking on the sidelines everytime there is a 3 ‘n’ out or an INT. He is the de-facto leader of the offense and he needs to start acting like one. He needs to inspire & encourage his teammates to fight on & not the other way round.
In this regard atleast, he needs to change for the system.
"Sorry Jay, you're with Chicago now. You need to stop calling me.
It ain't intra-murals son, it's PRO-FOOTBALL. There's no mulligans."
-desibroncofan as Pat Bowlen (with a dash of Dan Hawkins, thrown in for good measure)
by desibroncofan on Oct 27, 2009 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Jay is a gunslinger
that means, imho, that he is going to try and make every throw 20+ yards. That’s fine if you have receivers who can get separation and run crisp routes while doing it. If your WR just runs streaks well you put the safety 20 yrds back to cover with the DB. Gunslingers are good for the oohs and awes but they are also god for the doh’s and duh’s. Jay has sloppy footwork in the pocket, locks on to the hot read, and forces the ball. IF he can work out those demons he will be crazy good and Chicago will have gotten everything we hoped he was in Denver!
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 27, 2009 3:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I would advise against
not because it’s childish, which it is… but thats not the point… it just stands to make this crap continue…would it be deserved, i dont know… but it definitely makes this go on even longer
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be very classy indeed
You shouldn’t sink to that level gaclaudy. Stick with your team and stand by your opinions.
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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Like coming to another teams site and posting about how their QB is doing?
Gee it’s good thing you don’t things like Sadaraine, so how long you been a Bears fan?
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Huh?
Could you try that again and apply some semblance of English grammar to your sentence please?
I did get the end of it…I’m not a Bears fan…but I am a football fan…see my comment in the other post…if you don’t want to talk to or read my posts, just ignore them and don’t hit that little “reply” button. I promise it will be okay. :)
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Ok let me try this with single syllable words
You Horse fan.
You type “Stick with your team”
You come here
Here not Horse fan
You not stick with team
I can add grunts if that would help.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Let's talk about classy...
Lets take a look how classy you are:
1) You have made over 1300 posts at MHR, which makes you a dedicated fan of the Broncos, good for you.
2) You joined Cincy Jungle 8 Sep 09, 4 days before the Broncos played the Bengals posted 2 comments.
3) Next on the Broncos schedule Cleveland Browns on 20 Sep 09 and look who joined the Dawg Pound on 15 Sep, why it was Sadaraine.
4) Next up Oakland Raiders, what decided that trolling there would do no good since they suck so bad?
5) Dallas Cowboys on 4 Oct, and yep 1 Oct Sadaraine joins Blogging the Boys
Anyone else seeing a pattern here?
I would call this the definition of trolling.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
EPIC FAIL
This is a good example of some horse’s @$$ posting slanted stats to get his point across.
If you want to know what kind of blogger I am, go read my fanposts and comments at other sites and at MHR. I don’t troll and am very much against it. You are just overreacting for some reason that I can only guess at.
Hey…here’s an idea…if you don’t want to read stuff from Broncos fans, don’t open the friggin fanposts made by a Bronco fan with a subject line regarding Cutler vs Orton or the Broncos. Get a grip man.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Here's an idea
why don’t you and the other bronco fans stop telling us what we should do on our own blog. You don’t like what we have to say to you then don’t post here. Some (not all) of the guys that are coming over here seem like they are trying to stake a claim or something. For the last time….
THIS IS A CHICAGO BEARS BLOG WE TALK ABOUT THE BEARS AND ARE TIRED OF THE CRAP ABOUT ORTON AND CUTLER. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THAT DON’T POST HERE.
Sorry for yelling, but I’m serious give it a rest already. You guys are making members who’ve been here a long time not want to participate anymore.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 27, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
And Broncos fans don't get it do they
WE ARE TIRED OF “THE TRADE”, LET IT GO ALREADY.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Awesome
Do that then.
Seriously…I’m not trying to tick off anyone, just made a point here or there and you guys are seriously getting bent over it. You are talking to the wrong guy…I know there are others that have visited and totally been inappropriate, but that doesn’t mean every guy that says something on your blog who isn’t a Bear fan is a jerk. That’s called a stereotype.
Anyhow, my apologies to all of you for not just walking earlier, but when you make it personal, I tend to get a bit defensive. Enjoy your season guys…good luck and God bless.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
No, I can see what type of blogger you are
Yes slanted stats, as in the truth?
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Thank you
its nice to hear others comments on my writing. I do it for the fans and try to keep it real.
It is understandable. With the way everything transpired in Denver upon his leaving we were a bit miffed at him. We shouldnt take it out on the fans though who’s only job is to root for their team. Plenty of us called him out when he was here and its funny that some of them are the ones who praised him here are rubbing it n your face.
Anytime you are up for intelligent banter there are a lot of us over at MHR.
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I have posted over there many times
and there is a lot of good guys there. MHR is very well done and versed, that is why alot of these guys coming over here like this give you guys a bad name. You can’t control it I know but it is frustrating. What they don’t realize is that when things go south a bit for the Broncs ( as any team has their ups and downs) they created a wave that is going to roll over there and just post crap non stop for a week. Not to enjoyable for the good folks over there. We will try to deter it but I am afraid it is pretty ingrained by the knucklheads over the past 2 weeks.
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
What can you do
Children will be children “my bike is better than your bike”
the “trade” or whatever you want to call it is not the intent of the post.
The reason I put the title up there is because my Avatar is clearly a bronco fan
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I completely understand
there is no reason that each others fans can post to get different perspectives than the usual kool aid outlook. Just need the level of hostility to calm down a bit. A 2 day moratorium after a loss on posting at each other’s site might not be a bad idea..after the smoke clears..
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
thats fair
I am doing an NFC drop this week on the radio. It just happens to be tuesday night that my show is so I needed it kinda ASAP.
next week AFC so that could be bad for us!
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
The egg that got laid this week
was completely out of the blue. The bears have been competitve against pretty good competition and should have beaten the falcons but gave it away. Not sure why the team was completely flat but combine that with Palmer’s godlike accuracy and it snowballed from there..
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
yeah it was a bit of a conundrum
cant sleep on the bengals it almost killed us too
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 26, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I liked Orton as a Bear. Love Cutler so far. Appreciate the coaching suggestions.
Orton is solid. Always has been. 9-6 as a rook, but we went back to Grossman for the Super Bowl run anyway. Not going to lose the game for you and Brandon Marshall is awesome. The left handed pass he threw for an interception this pre-season is still one of the worst plays I have ever seen though.
Cutler won me over with his goal line helicopter dive a couple of weeks ago. This entire offense is new and the OL is b.a.d. We did not have an OC capable of running the Bears offense before Jay Cutler and we don’t have one now. No Urlacher (or Tommie Harris) hurts too.
We haven’t had a decent OC for awhile now. Probably too much to ask for, let alone someone creative enough to harness Cutler and get the ball to Hester and Forte. Ron Turner is not that person, btw.
I think Lovie stays as HC.
Jerry Angelo should be worried about Mike Shannahan taking his job, not Lovie.
I like the idea of Norv Turner (former HC), but that’d be a little awkward. Fire one brother, hire another.
Random suggestion Jim Harbaugh.
Just trying to think of possibilites…
by No It All on Oct 26, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That last suggestion was completely out of the blue, but a great one...
Jim Harbaugh has done some time as a HC at Stanford, he was a very good QB in the NFL for a long time so when he spoke, Cutler would have to listen when it comes to fundamentals, and he has the intensity that this team has been missing for a very long time.
Great suggestion!
rec’d.
Let's just hope
the Bears brass have enough brass balls to eat some of Lovie’s contract.
Not a bad idea No It All.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
it was something we had to do in denver
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 27, 2009 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Just A Tought...
Jeremy Bates?? Jay seems to trust him a lot… at least when he was in denver. Mybe handing him an OC job? I know he’s with USC but I’m sure the Bears could lure him. Some fresh ideas might help spark up the offense.
the problem we saw last year with bates
was his play calling got stale and he had no way to rebound if the other team could sniff out the screen pass. He looked like a fresh young mind on offense at first but it turned out sour
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 27, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
In terms of scoring, the Broncos were only average last year, and in some games they were bad. Considering the firepower on that side of the ball, there was no excuse for average.
I think Cutler is still defined primarily by his potential. He can be a hall of famer if someone comes in to kick his butt and instill some discipline. Jeremy Bates was Jay’s buddy and failed to challenge him to make the most of his talent.
As a Broncos fan, Jay’s failure to progress and develop his immense talent drove me nuts… And as easy as it would be to blame Cutler for that, I think Bates (and Shanahan) bear a lot of responsibility.
So no, I don’t think that’s a good idea at all.
weren’t you guys like 4th in yards and top 5 in scoring?
Maybe i’m imaging somebody else… i could be WAY off… but i thought i read somewhere, dammit, if i can find it, i’ll link it…now im rambling
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 28, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
there we go
though not as high as i remember
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 28, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, but,
Cutler was 7th in TD passes and 2nd in yards… which to me says a lot, about his progress and talent. i agree, he’s prone to taking risks, a la Brett Favre, but those risks also pay off sometimes, a la Brett Favre.
and only the Rams and Lions allowed more points than the Broncos defense last season.
Only the Seahawks, Chiefs and Lions allowed more yardage than the Broncos… so again, the debate about this absolutely hinges upon the defensive woes as well.
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
"No offense intended" does not jive with posting in the heat of the moment.
by BearNecessities on Oct 28, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Really, it wasn't just about Cutler...
But the offense in general. The offense that couldn’t put up more than 10 on the Raiders at HOME!
Okay, so you’re a fan of stats. What the stats point to is an offense that is great moving the ball between the 20s, but like an impotent Don Juan, couldn’t put it in when it counted.
What stats don’t show is the timing… When after giving up a score, they answered with a turnover or three-and-out, leaving the still-reeling defense with a short field to defend.
For sure, it was an offense that could be brilliant… and that’s what drove us nuts when they turned into a pumpkin just when they were needed to come up big.
i can be
but usually only when the application of Cutler’s success is measured by his 20-21 record.
so i’ll digress, i’m more of a fan of having an O-line that would allow things to be accurately judged
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Oct 28, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
But speaking of Cutler...
I think the Favre comparison is really valid. Favre’s recklessness lost a game for every two his ability won. No guts, no glory, eh?
totally
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Oct 28, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
A bit off
What is really telling is if you look at a list of the scores in the games:
at Oakland W 41-14
vs. San Diego W 39-38
vs. New Orleans W 34-32
at Kansas City L 19-33
vs. Tampa Bay W 16-13
vs. Jacksonville L 17-24
at New England L 7-41
vs. Miami L 17-26
at Cleveland W 34-30
at Atlanta W 24-20
vs. Oakland L 10-31
at New York Jets W 34-17
vs. Kansas City W 24-17
at Carolina L 10-30
vs. Buffalo L 23-30
at San Diego L 21-52
…Those first three wins held a pretty good chunk of our points for the season. That offense was no where as good as the hype was putting it…
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I like Jim as well
I didnt go into the college ranks to look but he woudl be definately capable of doing the Job. I worry that Shannahan may have fed Cutler’s ego rather than help him grow!
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 27, 2009 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Cutler certainly isn't afraid of getting down field and making a block as well..
I obviously don’t know any where near as much as you guys on your coaching situation.. but i think Lovie is a good coach, hope he keeps his job.
Your DC should stay as well, injuries seem to be the main problem this year.
Who would be your choice as new OC?
Gotta love the Helicopter.......................
The one Elway pulled in the Super Bowl to beat Green Bay is one reason we love him so much, one thing no one should doubt about Cutler is his competitiveness. Much like a young Elway, he needs a little polish. One thing Denver fans should keep in mind is that Elway had his struggles the first few years. Also until he had the right supporting cast Elway never brought home the Lombardi Trophy either. The QB is a big part of the team but he isn’t the WHOLE team, he’s gotta have that cast of players around him to be Elite.
Our new DOOMesday Defense!!!! YOU LIKE??????????????
If I was OC
I would run streak/hook options for the wrs if corners play off,hook if they play bump and run just run down the sideline, if the safties come to help then it opens up plays for everone else
probably won’t work but just an idea
OCs
You can pick a bum off the street and make him an OC. Anybody can be an OC. Offenses are proactive not reactive. You can come up with any damn offense you want, and it’s the defense that must respond to you accordingly. Finding an OC is not a problem. The McCaskeys running the show is the problem. And that’s not going away ….
by Irish Bears Fan on Oct 28, 2009 3:25 AM CDT reply actions
Want to thank you guys
for the chat I used a little of it on our show tonight and it makes it a little more legitimate to have an opinion of the actualy fans! Have a great season.
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
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Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Oct 28, 2009 3:28 AM CDT up reply actions
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