JA wasn't happy with the lack of adjustments
by rdent4hof on Oct 28, 2009 10:50 AM CDT
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Here's what Jerry Angelo said in a one on one with Larry "The Team Player" Mayer. I found it quite interesting and a little refreshing. http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6246
How do you explain what happened to the Bears in Cincinnati?
I don’t want to take anything away from the Bengals because they are a very good offensive football team with a great receiver, a great quarterback and a running back who’s having a Pro Bowl year. But what really surprised me was that we weren’t able to make the needed adjustments in terms of slowing them down or stopping them. We let that go really throughout four quarters. We couldn’t slow them down and make some stops or even force them to settle for a field goal instead of a touchdown to keep us in the game where we could have some hope. That surprised me. I didn’t expect to see that.
Jerry goes on to talk about team effort and whether a loss like this (Bengals 45-10) should cause him to re-evaluate what he thought of this team.
I'm just glad to see some accountability being put out there. I think (in JA's way) he's calling out Lovie. Maybe Lovie isn't as safe as we thought?
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One can only hope accountability...
would lead to the obvious consequence that if you are paid like the best, you should perform like the best. Sadly, in the real world as is true in football, the “leaders” get paid irregardless of how well they lead their team.
There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
by LostInSTL on Oct 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and a running back who’s having a Pro Bowl year
What team is he watching?
by CutlerDabears on Oct 28, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bengals.
Cedric Benson is at the top of the league in rushing yardage. Probably does deserve pro bowl consideration.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Oct 28, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I fail at reading comprehension. I thought he was talking about the Bears.
by CutlerDabears on Oct 28, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I thought you just felt Benson was overrated. Misunderstanding all around.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Oct 28, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting..................
Because all I heard out of Lovie’s mouth is…………..it’s just 1 game, uh we have 10 more games on the schedule, uh 1 game does not mean a whole season, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I don’t think Lovie get’s it. A Team throttled you for 4 quarters and made you look clueless. You had no answers to stop the bleeding. As the Head Coach you made a professional sports franchise look anemic and weak. I’m glad Jerry Angelo gets it. I think the majority of fans do as well.
by Gesiakob on Oct 28, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate seeing JA speak honestly
but honestly, what else could he say? Even he can only pretend everything is alright to a certain point. So far this season the Bears coaches and players seemed to be doing a fair job of adjusting to opponents (adjusted play calling, different packages, Tillman playing straight man coverage) that the failure to make any headway in slowing a team like Cincy was shocking. The Bears failed to limit both the passing and rushing of the offense, which is inexcusable. I can handle shutting down the run and getting beat man to man. I can even understand not getting pressure rushing four. However to completely and utterly be beaten in all phases of the game (let’s not start on our offfense) is unbelievable.
by Hawkeyes on Oct 28, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What Do I Expect Him To Say?
I expect him to say my Team played a horrible game and we are going to re-evaluate the starters on the defensive side of the ball. I expect him to say the performance on the field was unacceptable. I expect him to say that they are going to increase practice time to try and get individual players up to par with coaching. If that were possible with this coaching staff.
by Gesiakob on Oct 29, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Parcell's doesn't say things like that
Yes, it would be great to hear him say something to that effect. I would hope he has said so privately to his HC and the rest of the staff. But let’s be honest, JA is known for smiling wide as everything goes to hell. IMHO this was a significant statement for him.
by Hawkeyes on Oct 29, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears are 3-3.
And yet, this season has all the makings of a complete nightmare.
It’s alright to lose in the NFL, especially on the road. It’s not alright to look as pathetic as they just did in Cincinnati.
They lost 45-10. That score is misleading. It wasn’t even that close.
Beyond that, two recent castoffs (Benson & Orton) are now looking like Jim Brown and Joe Montana.
The Bears are completely underachieving. Two of their ex-players are completely overachieving in a new environment.
Not good.
by GeoMak on Oct 28, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Do we need to look at some personnel? Yeah, we do. There’s some of that going on as you’ll see Sunday.
I wonder what that means…
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by Dane Noble on Oct 28, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Beekman...please for the love of god
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
by ThorCo on Oct 28, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second that emotion
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by propheteer on Oct 28, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Beekman is the answer to any question we have
then we are in trouble. Beekman is undersized and showed last year that he couldn’t match-up against quality DLinemen.
Did y’all notice Omiyale against Cincy? Looked better than the previous week…
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by Dane Noble on Oct 28, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good response
Beekman is not a magic bullet by any means, but I would like to see him start at C in place of Kreutz. As I said in another thread, Omiyale has the potential to improve, Kreutz is done.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 28, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed,
I think they are trying to let Kreutz regain his lost momentum/talent/fire/etc, as a way to show respect to a veteran without benching his sorry butt.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Oct 28, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
it was reported time and time again that Beekman outplayed Omiyale in training camp at guard, by 10 fold.
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by propheteer on Oct 28, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember that...
Either way, a team is not going to base each week’s starters on how they looked months earlier in camp.
I’d like to think that if Beekman were better at LG than Omiyale, he would be starting in front of Omiyale.
And I don’t buy this whole conspiracy theory about Omiyale being an experiment, or that he is only starting because of the salary we paid him before Pace signed. They put him in a starting position because they felt he was better than the other guy.
Will that change? Maybe. But only if they think at this point Beekman gives us a better chance to win.
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by Dane Noble on Oct 28, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dickerson
is the one that was vehemently against Omiyale starting. Usually, the players who stand-out in training camp are the players who go on and start. He mentioned Frank’s technique was horrible at guard, while Beekman being a bit smaller (5 lbs.), was the better of the two at run blocking than Omiyale.
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by propheteer on Oct 28, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we haven't seen Beekman yet this year
so who knows who would be better… The Bears liked Omiyale, and they started him. Maybe we’ll see Beekman, who knows.
But I’ll circle back around to my original comment for this. While our LG situation is not pretty, it could be a lot worse.
Our LG had very little, if anything, to do with the 45-10 shellacking that Cincy gave us.
During our 3 game winning streak, our defense was quietly giving up more and more passing yards than the week before.
GB: 184 yds
Pitt: 221
Sea: 261
Det: 350
Since then, in our two losses, we’ve given up 7 TD passes. I’m not worried about our LG… I’m worried about:
Anderson/ Massoquoi;
Warner/ Boldin/ Fitz;
McNabb/ Jackson/ Maclin;
Favre/ Rice/ Berrian
etc…
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by Dane Noble on Oct 28, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the stats that should worry
Sea: 261
Det: 350
Seattle had a backup QB, not to mention the RB tore us up as well…and 350 from Detroit is unacceptable
what worries is the inability to tackle or a lot of those yards wouldn’t be there
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by BearNecessities on Oct 28, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two wrongs don't make a right
I don’t think anything happening right now on defense has to do with the Bears offense. I don’t believe the team, nor its fans can take anything good away from the Cincy game, so talking about how he did OK is pointless. From everything I’ve read, seen, and heard about Omiyale just isn’t good, let alone average. He can barely stay in his stance without falling over. That’s how bad his balance, technique, and mental capacity are right now. Does that mean he can’t contribute later in the season or next year? No. I believe it was Sackman who put up those FO #s on our offensive line, and with the exception of one play, Frank has been nothing short of a nightmare.
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by propheteer on Oct 28, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the nice job they did against Atl?
take away the broken play to Roddy White and they would have had only 135 passing yards. The bigger worry is 2 straight games without any pressure..
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
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by tfrabotta on Oct 28, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
They were playing well up until that play against White. Not sure what happened in Cincy though.
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by propheteer on Oct 28, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure it also means
Roach will move out of MLB
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by BearNecessities on Oct 28, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
I hope not.
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by Dane Noble on Oct 28, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just my thoughts the past week
and whatever i saw on CB.com about moving HH back into the middle from Layer Mayer.
I think he understands the defense better than Roach, and would be able to call it better. i know roach is faster and more athletic.
it’s just a change i see coming
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by BearNecessities on Oct 28, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather them let HH call
the plays from the SLB position and let Roach stay in the middle. I like having Roach and Briggs next to each other.
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by Dane Noble on Oct 28, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they would do that
that’d be alright, is there a reason they wouldnt allow that?
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by BearNecessities on Oct 28, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree completely
and HH was burned on the TD to the TD where he was out of position. None of them looked good stopping the run.
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
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by tfrabotta on Oct 28, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The middle of the field
is probably the reason why HH is going back to MLB. Roach can’t cover the deep-middle like HH has shown in the past.
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by propheteer on Oct 28, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see above
HH might know where he should be, but that doesn’t mean that he can. He is just not good and his athleticism has dropped off (see kreutz). I want guys who can make plays and he can’t.
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
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by tfrabotta on Oct 28, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
athleticism doesn’t mean squat if you don’t know where to be on the field….see Roach. If my memory serves me right, HH belongs in the middle cause on the strong-side he’d be even more of a liablity trying to cover a TE.
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by propheteer on Oct 28, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the guy couln't make a tackle near
the line of scrimmage if his life depended on it. I would rather at least get that and let him learn the coverages on the job vs. HH who can’t cover or tackle (excpet for 5-6 yards down field).
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
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by tfrabotta on Oct 28, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't been great
but the Bears defense hasn’t exactly been very “prepared” under Roach. Plus, I just don’t trust HH one on one with an athletic, quick TE. He was exposed last season as the SAM, and is more apt to be playing zone in the middle IMO.
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by propheteer on Oct 28, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HH is moving back to MLB for the Browns
it’s on a couple other threads
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by BearNecessities on Oct 28, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with the move.
Bottom line, when HH has been in the middle, there’s been less communication breakdown.
I’m not blaming Roach for it. Probably was more Lovie’s fault than Roach’s.
by rdent4hof on Oct 29, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that gets me is why we had to trade our 2nd round pick this year away.
We still had a one third round pick I believe after the Cutler trade…Pick #99 that we got Iglesias with. If we woul have kept the 2nd round pick we could have grabbed an OL like Loadholt who has been playing very well for MN.
We still probably could have gotten either Gilbert or Iglesias with #99 just not both. I think we would have been much better off with Loadholt and either of our current 3rd round picks.
Our line would be vastly better with Loadholt, Garza, Kreutz, Omiyale, Williams, with Schaefer and Beekman subbing in, IMO.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Oct 28, 2009 2:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JA was gambling on Pace, Omiyale and Williams stepping in to plug the OL, I guess. Who could have guessed that we would almost be looking back on the Fred Tait era with envy…..
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by Spongie on Oct 28, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Tait, even.
Ooo. Bear’s Den one-liner:
…where we’re looking back on the John Tait era with nostalgia.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
by Spongie on Oct 28, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
John St Clair even
Whatever pundits said Omiyale and St Clair were essentially a swap, i respectfully disagree.
by Hawkeyes on Oct 29, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right. I’d tried to wipe St Clair from my mind.
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by Spongie on Oct 29, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean...
the original “Ole’”??
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
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by tfrabotta on Oct 29, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Post-traumatic stress-induced amnesia, I think.
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"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
by Spongie on Oct 29, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're still pining
at least you’ll get to see him play for the Browns on Sunday
by TrialsBass on Oct 29, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He better do his best impression of a turnstile!
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by Spongie on Nov 1, 2009 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to see them take an O-lineman in the second round, too
But I guess JA and company didn’t really feel a sense of urgency about the O-line. And yes, I think they put a little too much faith into the free agent aquisitions that they made. But I think we can now clearly see that they were obviously just replacing mediocrity with more mediocrity and not really improving the ballclub for the long term.
by JimmyMack on Oct 28, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone think
That JA was just making sure the spot light doesnt go on him?
by Daseabeez on Oct 28, 2009 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Breaking the Bears down....
Brian Billick and Mike Mayock did a nice job of breaking down what the Bears couldn’t do against Cincy. Seems like basic fundamentals.
With that said, Pace is done. He’s too slow and can’t move around like he use to. Move Williams to LT and put Shaffer at RT.
by boondock_saint812 on Oct 28, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
link...
forgot to post the link.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09000d5d813c1004/WK-7-Playbook-Bears-vs-Bengals-recap
by boondock_saint812 on Oct 28, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes, poor technique on the left side of the OL and dire gap control on a D that’s based on each player manning a gap. Not pretty viewing.
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by Spongie on Oct 28, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Thanks for the link. I’ve seen Pace get pushed around but when they show it over and over and focus on it, it looks even worse.
Damn…this O-line is bad. Jay is gonna get killed, and Forte is in a sophmore slump due to some of the failures of this line.
by Virto on Oct 28, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a good analysis
Basically, it pretty much shows that the Bears got absolutely destroyed in the trenches, especially on the offensive line. When you’ve got your left tackle getting blown up and knocked back into the running back when he’s still in the backfield, you know you’re in big trouble.
On defense, it just looked like they weren’t able to always protect the gaps to cut off the lanes for Benson to run into. I’d definately have to put some blame on the coaches for that…
To his credit, Benson looks much quicker and faster than he ever did when he was in Chicago.
by JimmyMack on Oct 28, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
boondock I like the move
of Williams and Shaffer. But along with that put Beekman in.
by luckie815 on Oct 29, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if you saw Shaffer in the pre-season...
He was awful… I’m confident Pace is still the better option for the first string, IMHO.
by rdent4hof on Oct 29, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i remember seeing guys who are currently not playing in the NFL
treat shaffer like a tackling dummy in the preseason, driving him up and down the field. looked like another qasim mitchell to me, maybe a bit heaver and different skin color but just as sucky.
by reefermadness3 on Oct 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dickerson Tweet.
Dickerson just Tweeted that Beekman is expected to get reps with the first team this week.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/story?id=4602540&campaign=rss&source=CHICAGOHeadlines&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
by boondock_saint812 on Oct 28, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McClure posting
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/10/hillenmeyer-back-at-middle-linebacker-for-bears.html
Hunter Hillenmeyer is expected to return to middle linebacker in place of Nick Roach, according to a league source. Roach would then return to strong-side linebacker.
by Virto on Oct 28, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
figured as much
makes sense to me
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Oct 28, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make a few changes right before a game with a patsy.
If we do well in this game (which we should even if NO MOVES were made) everyone can pat themselves on the back and say “Look how great the changes we made worked out.” The team feels more confidence (even if it might be false confidence) and Lovie puts on his “Emperor’s new clothes” and leads us on against Arizona. Maybe the placebo’s work. Who knows?
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by Just Dave on Oct 28, 2009 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, maybe not
but the Browns aren’t going to just fall over and die in front of us. They very nearly beat the team that stuffed us into the ground last week.
by Virto on Oct 28, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I know they are a professional football team with NFL caliber talent.
BUT, who beat (or almost beat) who can become an irrelevant argument. That’s like saying we beat the Steelers, who beat the Vikings. Therefore we’ll beat the Vikings! Wait a minute…..
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Oct 29, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's completely true
but it’s just as dangerous to say, oh it’s the Browns, there’s a win.
Like the Eagles thinking, lol look guys, here come the RAIDERS! guffaw
by Virto on Oct 29, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one good thing about this sunday is that
the browns qb is by all accounts subpar. hope this will somehow reverse the trend of the bears getting SPEARED AND GUTTED LIKE A FERAL PIGGY through the air. although i doubt it.
by reefermadness3 on Oct 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
QBs were having season-best games against us last year… Palmer must have had a career-best at the weeked.
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by Spongie on Oct 29, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know right
not much at all has changed from last year in that aspect. from griese throwing 400+yards last year to the lions rookie eating up the bears d for one half this year and all the other good and not-so-good qb’s who punked lovie’s defense….holy sh!t man if the browns depants the bears secondary this weekend i will be quite dismayed.
by reefermadness3 on Oct 29, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had a career high QB rating
Stafford throttled us as well.
Seneca Wallace…the back-up, but up 261 yards
and they are all completing somewhere close to 70 percent of their passes on us… it’s embarrasing
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by BearNecessities on Oct 29, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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