Why The 3 Step Drop?
Last year Jay Cutler was sacked 11 times. So far this year Jay Cutler has been sacked... 11 times. I could easily end this post right there, as that's enough to warrant him getting rid of the ball a.s.a.p., but let's dive in a little bit with what goes on in the short passing game.
When you have your QB take a 3 step drop you are asking his receivers to get to their spots quickly and expect the ball right now. The routes the wide-outs run have to be quick. No posts, corners, or flys.
The timing of their routes should correspond to the 3 steps the QB takes. The slant from the receiver would be 3 steps then slant. Out patterns would be 2 or 3 steps then out. A curl (some terminology calls this a hook or hitch) would be 3 steps then turn. All those pass routes with a 3 step drop will see the WR making their cut and immediately look for the ball.
When running a drag route (instantly going across the field either in front of or behind the linebackers depending on where they line up) against man to man coverage a receiver would run away from the corner while looking for the ball, but against a zone defense the WR will run the drag then settle down between 2 zone defenders and look for the ball. The QB will take his 3 step drop and fire the ball, with both the WR and QB having to be on the same page as far as the man or zone read. Timing is everything on all 3 step drops pass plays.
The deepest throw you'll see with a 3 step drop is the fade route. If a defense gives a one deep safety look (strong safety up tight for an 8th in the box) and you can preferably get an outside release from the WR, the QB will take his 3 step drop and throw the ball down the sideline. Coaches teach the QB to throw it ‘to our guy or no guy', meaning you want your receiver to have to run the ball down, basically for him to go get it. A QB will throw to a spot "X amount" of yards down field depending on who he's targeting.
Defensive backs jamming up the wide-outs will throw off the timing of the routes in the short passing game. If a WR can't get a clean release off the line of scrimmage there is no point in looking his way. Some motion from the receivers could help them get off the line clean.
Ideally you'd like the receivers to have exceptional run after the catch ability. The West Coast Offense, which popularized the short passing game, had this aspect down pat. Looking back at those old Bill Walsh 49ers teams, how many times did we see Joe Montana take a 3 step drop, fire a short pass to Jerry Rice, then have Rice take it 40 or 50 yards. Do the Bears have good Yards After the Catch receivers? Right now the Bears sit at 20th in the NFL with 665 YAC (RB Matt Forte leads them with 164). You either need the big physical presence at WR like Brandon Marshall or Anquan Boldin, or you need the speed guys that are a threat to outrun everyone when they touch the ball like Devin Hester or Johnny Knox.
One last thing with 3 step drop pass plays is when they're run from the shotgun you need a crisp, on target snap. Something the Bears had problems with last week. The reason you need the snap on target is by lining up in a shotgun there is no drop. The QB will simply catch and throw. The time it takes the QB to get the ball and set is the time the 3 step drop would have taken. Any bobble will throw off the timing.
The Bears do have the weapons to utilize the 3 step drop more effectively, and out of necessity (the O-Line still hasn't "gelled") they need to utilize the 3 step drop.
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We Take 6 Steps
Doesnt it seem like cutler is taken 5,6,7 steps and it allways seems as though the other teams corners are right on top of our recievers no matter what pass we call, and our corners are never even close to theres. How many teams just find the soft spot in our coverage and drop the ball in un contested. We are never un contested it’s like they know our plays in advance. Our corners play so soft they never jam and there never there to jump the routes, unless the pass is thrown up for grabs or to pass gets deflected we dont get a interseption. Yet other corners are jumping our routes on every play and picking off Jay like crazy. Am I wrong?
by cutlersbutler on Oct 29, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jay is running for his life
and I dont know how many steps that is
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by BearNecessities on Oct 29, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I've never been a quaterback so please pardon me
but I do not believe that there is such a thing as a 6 step drop. all drops are odd numbered (we hear of 1,3,5,and 7)because of the steps it takes to get set.
by wennington4 on Oct 29, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even numbered drops only apply to former bear sexcannon grossman
just so he could deliver another patented “throw off the back foot across his body jump ball INT”. or, perhaps the qb begins the drop with his other foot for a change just to amuse himself?
by reefermadness3 on Oct 29, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are correct
only odd numbered drops, it’s because the last 2 steps in a 3, 5, and 7 are gather steps to get your feet set to throw
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 30, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you are Dan Marino,
in which case you have already taken two steps by the time the ball is snapped.
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Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.
by Dane Noble on Oct 30, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year the QB’s that torched the Bears all went with short quick passes, and Chicago CB’s play off as per the coaches… adjustments need to be made
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 29, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But our coaching staff doesn’t know how to make adjustments.
by boondock_saint812 on Oct 29, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great analysis and info wilt!
Alas, I just don’t know that Turner can coach this into our guys.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
by Maelvampyre on Oct 29, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why was Cutler in during the 4th quarter?
I wonder why no one’s been asking about this – he was literally running for his life the entire game, yet there he was, at the end of a huge blow – out. I continue to wonder about the intelligence of our coach.
by Waylon on Oct 29, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would have pulled him in the 3rd
the Bears were not coming back in that game
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 29, 2009 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If we would have pulled cutler
he would have been mad about it and the coaches would have been crucified for giving up. Also, could you imagine the headlines “cutler benched in chicago. Worst trade ever?”. It would have been even uglier.
by Jhitt81 on Oct 29, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
or if
(unspeakable) Hanie moved the ball even slightly better… it’d be over
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Oct 29, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go to youtube at look at Larry Fitzgerald's
64 yard TD in the SuperBowl.
It’s a 7 yard pass with a 57 YAC off a 3-step drop.
Don’t anybody tell me Devin Hester can’t make that ‘catch & run.’
by GeoMak on Oct 29, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the slant to the inside?
and he just beats the down field coverage? great play
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Oct 29, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't hester do something like that last year
against the vikings in the 1st quarter?
by reefermadness3 on Oct 29, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's why all this talk about Joe Montana
being the greatest QB in history is nonsense.
Montana made it into the HOF by throwing 10 yard passes.
Joe was great. No DOUBT!
But the greatness lies in have an OC (like a Bill Walsh) to draw up plays like that . . that work!
by GeoMak on Oct 29, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Montana was very quick in getting rid of the ball
And very accurate. He was also one of the most athletic and mobile QB’s of his time. Plus he had decent protection and solid wide recievers and running backs to throw to. That’s all you need – plain and simple.
I’d like to see us roll Cutler out more and let him use his mobility and athleticism to extend the plays more and buy some time to either find someone or throw it out of bounds. Maybe Turner should watch some old films of Montana rolling out of the pocket and extending plays. Jay has a similar physical skill set, with a much bigger arm.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
by JimmyMack on Oct 29, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saying Montana had "solid" wide receivers might be the understatement of the month.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Oct 29, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course. Jerry Rice was "Jerry Rice"
But if he had played in a different system like say – ours, do you think his career numbers would have been 1/2 as impressive?
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
by JimmyMack on Oct 29, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not taking anything away from Montana
But here are a few things:
A) Bill Walsh wanted to draft Phil Simms and worked him out twice at Morehead State. He told Simms that if he drafted him that Simms would lead the league in completition percentange (actually EVERY QB who played for Walsh, including guys like Jeff Kemp increased their completition percentage under Walsh).
Anybody who doesn’t think that Bill Walsh could have essentially done the same thing he did for Joe Montana, with the two other great NFC QB’s of that time (Jim McMahon and Phil Simms) is FOOLISH.
B) Bill Walsh is on record as saying that his system (the WCO) was the star in SF, not the QB.
C) For proof? . . . Isn’t it funny how two, back-to-back QB’s (Joe Montana & Steve Young) made the HOF? Common denominator? That’s right, Bill Walsh. How many other teams have ONE QB in the HOF, let alone two, back-to-back?
D) Bill Walsh is commonly considered to be one of the greatest QB coaches, and offensive minds ever in the NFL. His WCO changed offensive football much the same way that Ryan’s 46 defense changed defensive football.
Jerry Rice is commonly considered to be the greatest WR in the moderen era.
What are we left with here? Joe Montana was coached by the GREAT Bill Walsh, played in Walsh’s innovative WCO, and threw to maybe the greatest WR of all time.
Not too bad. Really. Kinda gave him a ‘leg up’ on almost every other QB in NFL history. For examaple, McMahon & Simms both played for Neanderthal HC’s, in cold cities, whose teams were built on defense and the running game.
Big, big difference there.
I’m not taking anything away from Montana, just providing a little context here.
by GeoMak on Oct 29, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like you STILL need a new KEYBOARD. Your caps lock key gets STUCK every now and THEN.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
by Spongie on Oct 29, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Four CAPS LOCKS (for emphasis) in a 301 word post.
What a joke.
by GeoMak on Oct 29, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like the majority of your RANTS.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
by Spongie on Nov 1, 2009 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue that Rice was equally a beneficiary of Walsh's genius, along with Montana and Young
Not to take anything away from Rice, his talent or his work ethic, but he also may have looked much more “human” had he played somwhere else – and maybe not put up such insane numbers.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
by JimmyMack on Oct 29, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
It all is tied together.
Conversely, the same applies to the guys on defense for the ‘85 Bears. All of them were somewhat elevated by playing in Ryan’s 46 and in winning the SB. If a guy like Richard Dent (for example) played on another defense, there’s probably no talk of him entering the HOF.
I just try to take a realistic view of things.
It is kind of funny sometimes. I posted that stuff awhile back on a 49er blog.
They went CRAZYYYYY!
This one I like the best: Jerry Rice is the BEST player (not just WR) of all time.
Nonsense, I posted. He was no ‘greater’ of a player than Walter Payton or Lawrence Taylor, among others.
Of course, Niner fans don’t see it that way. The guy who runs the 49er blog said that Rice is the greatest player of all time cause of all the records he holds.
Say what? That, to me, means that he’s the greatest WR, but not the greatest player.
But you can’t have a reeasonable conversation with most 49er fans.
Most think that Bill Walsh invented offensive football, Joe Montana invented QB’ing and that Jerry Rice invented receiving.
It’s actually funny listening to those knuckleheads talk sometimes.
by GeoMak on Oct 29, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at what Denver's done with Kyle Orton...
You know exactly how pedestrian of an athlete the Neckbeard is. He’s got a legitimate shot to make the Pro Bowl, but if he does it won’t be his talent that gets him there.
by Velveeta on Oct 31, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand...
I could be way off, since I don’t watch every one of Cutler’s dropbacks this year like I did last year…
One of the reasons why Cutler was sacked so few times last year was his offensive line… But since he didn’t wait for a receiver to get open before burning it into him (mostly successfully) he didn’t need a whole lot of time in the pocket, so his sack numbers were artificially deflated.
Could some of the sacks be due to the development of Jay’s decision making ability- limiting his high risk throws?
by Velveeta on Oct 31, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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