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Pass Protection: Omiyale Only Gave Up 1/2 Sack

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I found a story by Brad Biggs that I thought showed some interesting numbers.  Sacks allowed thus far:

Orlando Pace: 2 1/2
Greg Olsen: 2
Garrett Wolfe: 2
Chris Williams: 1
Roberto Garza: 1/2
Olin Kreutz: 1/2
Frank Omiyale: 1/2

We will be seeing Josh Beekman in action Sunday, and Beekman only allowed 1.5 sacks all season last year.  However, as we've looked at already, had Matt Forte not broken 2 runs for big gains, his average per carry would be significantly lower than last year.

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Can an NFL team win games without a running game?  Sure, but they can't have a young QB that is going to take as many chances at Jay Cutler.

I don't know anyone who is a fan of Josh Beekman... but I do know plenty of people who dislike Omiyale in the starting lineup.  Well, it looks like you are going to get your wish on Sunday.  The only thing is, what do you think Beekman brings to the table that Omiyale doesn't?  Do you think our running game will improve?

From the comments section of Biggs' article:

Tripper (and all of the other aliases you have),

Bears are averaging 3.7 yards per carry.

Bears averaged 3.8 yards per carry last season.

It's not improved as it should be, but the struggles of the offense have been exaggerated to a degree, My point is you take away bad interceptions at Green Bay and Atlanta, and the Bears have a much better record right now. Don't throw away one of those games and they are 4-2.

It is what it is. We'll see what Josh Beekman could do, but obviously the team didn't see everything it wanted from him last season because replacing him was one of the first moves the club made. Remember, for all this talk about Frank Omiyale being a left tackle, Jerry Angelo said when he was signed that he would be worked inside at guard first, in Beekman's spot.

The Bears are hoping Beekman provides some stability and a spark. They've got two home games, it's a good chance to make something happen.

Stay tuned.

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I said this in another thread but,

I think this might all be window dressing. We are facing a team that we should dominate. The brain trust of Lovie and Jerry make a few moves, our teams kick some tail, and they say, “Look! We solved the problem!” If the team buys in, maybe we get some mojo back, put a little swagger in our step and charge down the path following Lovie in his “Emperor’s new clothes”. Sometimes placebo’s work. If nothing else they shake the team up a little bit and send a message that jobs aren’t guaranteed. At worst it blows up in their face and we lose. And if we lose, I’m all for blowing thing up.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Oct 29, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

If you believe the figures, then Wolfe and Olsen really do suck...

…at pass protection – but we already knew that. So if Clark starts and plays most of a game, does that change the situation demonstrably? I’d have to say yet at this point.

by Waylon on Oct 29, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My question is why Olsen is ever being used in pass protection anyways?

He’s one of our best receiving targets and one of our worst blockers.

by Poloplaya14 on Oct 29, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

true

keep clark into black
split olsen out wide with either knox hester or bennet
olsen is just like a wide out hes matchup nightmare him sitting on the bench for no reason like he did in cincy is an idiot move

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 29, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

what do you think Beekman brings to the table that Omiyale doesn’t? Do you think our running game will improve?

1. Experience; that, and he’s not Omiyale.

2. To channel Chandler Bing: can it possibly get any worse?

I read this earlier, and one of the other comments pointed out that if Cutler is flushed by Omiyale’s failure at pass protection into the arms of another pass rusher, the sack is not statistically logged as being on Omiyale.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy

by Spongie on Oct 29, 2009 2:24 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Great point

I think I’ve seen plenty of that “ole” BS from Omiyale in his first six games to last until next year or Pace’s first injury…which ever comes first.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 29, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point spongie

I for one can’t count the plays i saw Omiyaled get blasted off the line or fall for a swim move and have Cutler either:

A. Run into the arms of another defender
B. Rush to the outisde and throw an errant pass on the run
C. Rush to the outside and throw an errant pass that turned into an interception
C. Rushed up the middle only to get clobbered by the DT of the other team.

Neither of those stats count as sacks from Frank O, doesnt mean he doesnt suck at LG.

At least with Beekman, it proves the coaches are at least making an effort to try something new when it’s clear something isn’t working as intended.

by Chitownproduct on Oct 30, 2009 4:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Guards usually don't give up as many sacks as tackles.

with that said, let’s move on. I’m sick to death of reading about Omiyale. He’s been yanked. No more.

Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...

by ifuwannacrownem on Oct 29, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Meh,

as much as I like numbers, I don’t buy the Omiyale stuff. In football, the eye test is almost always more than enough, and my eyes tell me that Omiyale sucks the big one.
In terms of Beekman over Omiyale, I thought that the Bears were still pretty good running the Power-0 with the left guard(Ruben Brown in the past) last year, with Beekman playing as the pull guard. Maybe they can revive that play with Beekman back on the line.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 29, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Omiyale plays too high

when he’s beat it’s usually because his pad level is up then he lunges and ends up off balance

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 29, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

100% false
In football, the eye test is almost always more than enough

by mike b on Oct 29, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice counter point. 75% Accurate. 20% speculation. %5 Whipped cream.

Makes about as good an argument.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Oct 29, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

but still a better argument that human perception and memory.

by mike b on Oct 29, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, that's the 75%

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Oct 29, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not human perception.

In football, you can detect bad when you see it, because talent translates directly onto the field. You can have a fluke good play here and there, but a player doesn’t fluke his way into good games and/or good seasons. You watch a player in a game or three, and you can separate the bad from the good. Not so much in baseball.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 29, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the eye test

is human perceprtion.

by mike b on Oct 29, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but perception is reality.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy

by Spongie on Nov 1, 2009 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed with Dakoose

and, it’s not like Lovie and Jerry are making moves based on fan grievances, they must see it too

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden

by BearNecessities on Oct 29, 2009 2:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting that Wolfe has given up 2 sacks, already

I honestly didn’t think he’d been on the field enough plays to ge able to tie for the team lead in sacks given up. As the smallest man on the team, the coaches need to recognize his liability in pass-protection and keep him off of the field on obvious pass plays.

"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon

by JimmyMack on Oct 29, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Greg Olson has done jack scratch

I’m getting sick and tired of the adoration this guy receives. What in the hell has he ever done on a consistent basis on the football field to warrant all the hype?!?! And you mean to tell me Cutler is his best friend and the overrated pile of pretty boy still can’t be a semi-impact player in the offense.

Bench Olson and see what Kellen Davis can do. At least Kellen can block.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Oct 29, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think

you’re assuming Davis can block. He wasn’t exactly known to be a good blocker in college either. Although, you hit the nail on the head regarding Olsen. He needs to show a little toughness, and that well-advertised speed he has.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 29, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not true

only about davis being able to block. well i just remember that 4th down play last year against the vikings. has he stood out this year in terms of blocking? i know he’s a big guy but i saw him not do so well on some run blocking this year as well.

olsen is probably best in madden, he is money there. maybe cutler tried to get with his wife so olsen tries to get #6 bashed in on sundays as a form of revenge. i don’t blame jay, greg’s wife is very hot. hope she poses nude someday.

by reefermadness3 on Oct 29, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

right about now we should be missing Michael Gaines… he defines blocking TE

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden

by BearNecessities on Oct 29, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I think Omiyale needs to stop being a guard...

he might make a decent tackle. Nonetheless, i am ecstatic he is being benched for Beekman. Still, the coaching staff has to take most of the heat for this mistake. Many a rank amateur noted throughout the preseason that Omiyale was not playing any better than Beekman. For the coaches to use words like accountability and respect, they have to show that hard work and performance are rewarded. Otherwise, the players will not listen or believe the motivational words when they are necessary, which means the coaches lose the respect of the players. If Beekman performs even marginally better, then he needs to stay in. I worry the coaches are more concerned with their own vindication rather than the success of the units they are coaching.

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.

by LostInSTL on Oct 29, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

What i don't follow

is, so what Omiyale didn’t work out at Guard, he was a Tackle… no shame in that. and Pace came along, of course at the time, you’d start Pace at LT, also, no shame in that.

but now you have an extremely serviceable backup Tackle to come in and play for Williams/Pace for spells/injury relief.

instead, we got Loviespeak and a horrible showing for 6 games

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden

by BearNecessities on Oct 29, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess that before the Pace signing, Omiyale was pencilled in as the future at RT and was paid as such. Whether it’s sheer desire to get some value out of him this season (even if in a different position) or a developmental plan to get him some actual game experience this season, I think we can all see that the experiment at LG isn’t going well.

I just hope they’ll man up and do something about it.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy

by Spongie on Oct 29, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Pace retires or gets cut after the season...

Somebody said why not slide Williams over to the left side and give Omiyale a shot at the right tackle spot?

They were definately experimenting with Omiyale at left guard because of his crazy contract. What is he making $15 million, with $11 million guarenteed? And he’s been a career back-up. Beekman probably makes a lot less than that. They can still try to land another free agent or 2 and pick up another guard or tackle in the draft to bring in more competition – which is really what they need if they’re gonna upgrade the line for the long term.

"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon

by JimmyMack on Oct 29, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was going to play guard

from day one, they wanted someone bigger inside. he still may end up being a good guard, but it won’t be this year.

by mike b on Oct 29, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

signing a Tackle to play Guard

Fail

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden

by BearNecessities on Oct 29, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, you know how they like to sign “projects”…..

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy

by Spongie on Oct 29, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

might have a little bit to do with

us being 19-19 after the superbowl

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden

by BearNecessities on Oct 29, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

because it hasn't worked

after 6 games? i’m not going to pretend to know the guy can never be a good guard.

by mike b on Oct 29, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't be agreed upon

that “good” isn’t enough for our running game?
most of these guys are tremendous atheletes in their own right, but we need a natural guard, IMO

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden

by BearNecessities on Oct 29, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

…but I can’t help wondering if watching him suck thus far week after week is the best way to find out.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy

by Spongie on Nov 1, 2009 3:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orlando Pace retired after last season in St. Louis

Problem is somebody forgot to tell Bobby DePaul and Jerry Angelo. Sigh.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Oct 29, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Williams is slated to eventually take over at LT

So he may be in there sooner than you think – but he hasn’t impressed anyone so far, has he?

by Waylon on Oct 29, 2009 8:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So far, Williams has been pretty average from what everyone is saying

Which makes him an absolute mauler on this line…

"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon

by JimmyMack on Oct 29, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

playing on the right side, should help him develop some good tactics as opposed to the cleaner play seen on the left side

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden

by BearNecessities on Oct 29, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Williams' play at RT actually makes me root for an appearance by Kevin Shafer

Williams hasn’t look good at all.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Oct 29, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who decides these stats?

Does anyone know? I mean what constitutes 1/2 a sack? Is it as arbitrary as tackles and defensive sacks? And is it decided by the coaching staff after reviewing game film like tackles and defensive sacks? Just wondering. And speculating.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Oct 29, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

False cause and effect, imho

Guards hardly give up sacks, because it is very difficult to run directly through a huge man to get at another. A horrid guard does collapse like a worn tent and make it way the eff easier for DEs and 3-4 olbs to get at the qg. Behold, the 2009 chicago bears! I watched Omiyale exclusively for a game. The only question is not wheather or not he sucks (he sucks), its whether or not he AND olin suck simultaneously. Cutler is the only reason these guys don’t look horrible on passing downs. Oh, and I am a Beekman fan. He’s had a slow, but continual upward arc for some time

by Sound_Automatic on Oct 30, 2009 2:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Need 1 Guard

We all know Williams was meant for LT. Hopefully he’ll be there next season, and then Omiyale and Schafer can battle it out for RT.

As much as we all love Kreutz, he’s been on the decline for 3 seasons now. I hope we nudge him into retirement this offseason. I think Beekman would make a good Center (and he has some experience at C too).

Oddly enough, Garza has been our best O-lineman this year. He’ll stay at RG for at least a couple more years.

That leaves us just needing a LG for next year (yeah I know, we thought we’d have a good line this year too . . . ).

by MakeHalasProud on Oct 30, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going with my eyes on this one and saying ...

Olsen= bad blocker. Thankfully this does not come up as often as a lineman.
Omiyale= Not a guard. Horrible. May be okay in his natural position.
Kreutz=Bad too. We just can’t do anything about it this year.
Pace=Sad, but the best thing he might be able to do for us is get injured

Our line, going forward (hopefully not too far forward!)

(left to right)
williams
beekman
Kreutz
garza
omiyale

and cross your fingers …

by Sound_Automatic on Oct 30, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How about ...

Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints …

by Sound_Automatic on Oct 30, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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