Why isn't Braylon Edwards a Bear?

It was discussed

our receivers have panned out fine so far

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by BearNecessities on Oct 8, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Our receivers have panned out great this season so far. Also, we would of had to give up a few draft picks and without our 1st round pick next year we might be having a pretty irrelevant 2010 draft day.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 8, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So much for Matt Jones huh

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Oct 10, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you are like an irritating housefly

that keeps flying around me when I’m trying to do my everyday routine.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 10, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But Im one of those little ones that are impossible to kill.........

Hey but guess whos got Bears Vikings Monday Night Football tickets!!

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Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Oct 10, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me!

(and GG) :)

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by HoneyBear on Oct 12, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea well I tried to get PSDB to go but he wont

and his reasoning for not wanting to go is……………………..

It will be too COLD!!!

Should we take his Bears Fan Membership Card away or what.

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Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Oct 14, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope they at least tried to make a deal.

It’s one thing to believe that a QB makes the receivers, but it’s foolish to not want elite talent at any position on the field. Our receivers have been good, but Edwards would have given us a great WR/TE core.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 8, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think I'd classify Braylon as Elite.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 8, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

elite talent

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 8, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

He already had one elite-level season, and while his performance has dipped considerably since then, he’s still very young and has all the tools that made him a high first round pick. I believe that if he were paired with Cutler he’d be a perennial pro-bowler. He’s that good.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 8, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Too bad

he doesn’t have an elite attitude. I can see JA targeting a FA WR during the off-season.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 9, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

attitude is the most overrated thing in sports

i’ll take randy moss and his bad attitude any day

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think attitude is overrated...

but that’s not what I’m going to debate. I’ll argue that Edwards isn’t an elite receiver— Randy Moss is. Edwards isn’t worth that much to me. Andre Johnson, on the other hand… now THAT’S an elite receiver.

Bear Down, Chicago Bears!

by topdoggkyle on Oct 9, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my point is that he has elite talent

you need that before you can become and elite receiver.

and players can burn out in one town to have great success in another. happens often.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He does have considerable talent

but his hands have been a consistent problem. It’s not like it’s just an occasional thing. I would’ve liked to seen him for a couple more games with Anderson to see if they could get things going again. I wouldn’t have minded if we’d made a move for him, but I’m not that upset that we didn’t end up with him.
On a separate point, I think New York is a terrible place for him to have ended up. If he had trouble staying off the radar in Cleveland, this could end up getting ugly, especially if his performance doesn’t pick up quickly.

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by JerBear50 on Oct 10, 2009 5:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would trade just about anyone on our team (minus Cutler and Briggs) for Andre Johnson. Guy is unreal.

by brands735 on Oct 11, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now THIS is a trade...

I can be behind. That guy is ridiculous

Bear Down, Chicago Bears!

by topdoggkyle on Oct 13, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Couldn't be more wrong

Players exceed in spite of “elite” talent all the time, but guys who have it feel like they’re entitled to contract extensions, media coverage, an absurd amount of targets, and rarely have a team-first attitude.

Tell me, what did Randy Moss do in Oakland?

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 10, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what did anyone do in oakland

in that same time frame?

by mike b on Oct 10, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Curry

It’s rediculous that a player like Ronald Curry out-played an “elite” talent like Randy Moss in ’06. The only thing more pathetic than that is Andrew Walter.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 10, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you know for sure

they moss being the only real threat wasn’t double teamed or bracketed every game?

by mike b on Oct 11, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

*that moss

by mike b on Oct 11, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Moss played badly in Oakland

and not because of the coverages he faced either. He was just bad on the field and in the clubhouse.

Back to Edwards, maybe a change of scenery would make him realize his considerable potential, but it is just as likely his stinkin attitude would persist and drag the team down. The young WRs are playing well, there is no need to bring someone questionable like Edwards in during the middle of the season. Maybe if the deal had been made during camp, but now now.

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by lookingdeadred on Oct 11, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Moss didn't try in Oakland

That’s been documented. If anyone doubts Moss’ ability, they’re crazy.

by jake1823 on Oct 11, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He still played badly

and because he quit on the Raiders, that just makes it worse.

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~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 12, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no one tries in oakland

by Puppet on Oct 13, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you can have ronald curry. i'll take randy moss

you don’t know much.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So...

Let’s give up a whole draft for an awesome quarterback and a highly talented wide reciever that can’t catch the ball..

Quarterback situation-panned out…

Wide Reciever that punches people and has a hard time doing exactly what his position entails?-Not so much.

We have recievers..

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 8, 2009 7:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

no we don't

our receivers are totally average. AT BEST

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 8, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

really? there are two teams in the nfl with 3 recievers over 150 yards

one is the arizona cardinals and the second is ……………DA BEARZ! our recievers dont have the big names but these are getting the job done i brought that stat up because three recievers are key contributers for this team and by the way all three have more yrds catches the braylon edwards

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 8, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The team has some decent talent,

but no standouts. Don’t kid yourself into thinking this team has a top ten group of receivers. Not even close. A stud QB is what has made these guys look good, and they’d look even better playing alongside a guy like Braylon.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 8, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tempchad

Listen to a lions fan here, I talked more shit about the bears not having a true #1 rec during the OTA’s and even into pre-season. I would like to take back what I said as of today, Knox has been stellar from game 1, and he has allowed Hester to be what he is, although injured for a min, your Bears definitely did not need Braylon Edwards and the baggage that comes with him. And I think Manginni was only going to trade him to his former team as a farewell gift! Think about it. Speaking of Knox I don’t remember anyone talking him up during preseason. . .why not?

by davis0169 on Oct 9, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we will trade you every single wr on the roster for Calvin Johnson

deal?

yeah, i thought so.

WRONG!

not one receiver on the bears is 3/4’s the player edwards is.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Numbers say

you’re completely wrong. And please don’t tell me Braylon is on a bad team, cause that argument won’t fly; please see Mass’s numbers on the same horrible team. The fact remains he’s a cancer, a headcase, and extremely overrated. He may have all the talent, but talent alone doesn’t make you successful in the NFL. Attitude is a huge part of the equation, and he has a terrible one (please see the frequency of drops). Frankily, I’m glad they didn’t bite on him. Our receivers are doing just fine, and none of them need an attitude adjustment.

Edwards- 10 rec. 139 yds. 0 Tds
Hester- 14 rec. 189 yds 2 Tds
Knox- 14 rec. 190 yds 2 Tds
Bennett- 15 rec. 200 yds. 0 Tds

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 9, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you stats mean nothing. none of these guys are #1s on any other team in the leauge

they are average wrs with a great qb

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edwards has skills

probably more skills than anyone the Bears have at WR, but he is a head case. You may think bad attitude does not matter, but it does, whether you care to admit it or not. .

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

randy moss called

he said hello

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

just as talent fades with age,

so too can an attitude fade away, with age/experience, and in the right situation.

Edwards is worth what the Jets paid for his services, and the Bears could have done a similar deal (Iglesias and a 3rd or 4th?) if the Jets would have bitten — and not harmed the draft. As far as how it would affect the locker room: the Browns are a team filled with little leadership, especially at the QB position. There backfield is made up of an old Lewis on the the downside of his career, and very little behind him. They have no other receiving threats, either.

The dumbest thing the Browns did was to draft Joe Thomas over Adrian Peterson. Said it then, proved right now and for the next decade plus. Who cares if you have a great LT if he has no one to block for! Until the Browns put a value on skill position talent (year in and year out) they will continue to be in re-building mode. As someone who grew up in Ohio, in a Browns household, I’ve seen it. I feel so bad for my brother, who remains a devout Browns fan.

I love Johnny Knox, but I’d love if Braylon was there to provide us with his size, speed, and you can laugh, but his hands are better than critics (blind fans and media) say. Get him focused, on a good team, and he will most likely thrive.

So, we’ll see how he is on the JETS.

by ethan a on Oct 12, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

His attitude

mean everything, and his talent means nothing to me or the Bears cause he can’t convert it on the field.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 10, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

attitude means NOTHING

no one wins with good attitude. they win with talent.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh huh

attitude makes a winner a winner, and a loser a loser. It’s the difference between a good player and a great player. Please get a clue before making rediculous claims.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no. you are totally full of it

plenty of “bad attitude” guys were phenomenal players.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, name some then.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thats why Dallas is Super Bowl bound every year

wait…

(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."

by ThorCo on Oct 12, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

your post makes no sense

i didn’t say the opposite was true.

attitude helps, but talent wins games.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What Talent

has Edwards won games with?

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

These were you're exact words

attitude means NOTHING

Then you contradict yourself by saying

attitude helps

(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."

by ThorCo on Oct 12, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wrong your...damn my gramatical skills

(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."

by ThorCo on Oct 12, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

attitude means nothing is a gross overstatement

it will not necessarily impede a team nor will good attitude necessarily make a team win.

it is totally overrated.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I definitely agree

In the end, talent > attitude. Not to say the latter isn’t important, b/c a player who doesn’t try is pretty much useless. Still, I’ll take a talented Brian Urlacher over a hustling Hunter Hillenmeyer almost any day of the week.

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then you should have said that the first time

I agree with that assessment, I was just showing that you were contradicting yourself that’s all

(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."

by ThorCo on Oct 12, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What a really ignorant statement

but you dismissing attitude is hardly a surprise

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 12, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

randy moss waves hello

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm

Randy Moss had a bad attitude in Oakland and played badly. Randy Moss had/has a good attitude in New England and plays well.

Maybe you need to pick another player to use as your definitive example. Or maybe you just admit attitude does matter afterall.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 12, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no. attitude is overrated

still the point.

terrell owens wasn’t a problem until his team started losing. Not a peep about him the entire year of the philly super bowl season. it wasn’t until after that year that it was a problem.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Look no further than Jay Cutler.

He’s a crybaby, he’s petulant, obnoxious, annoying, selfish, hard to get along with, a bad teammate, etc, etc. When the Bears started winning, that crap went the way of the dinosaurs. Winning cures all.
All that said, I don’t know where all of this about Edwards being a bad guy comes from. He punched a guy in the face, that’s it. Hell, Olin socked Fred Miller in the jaw and he’s become a leader.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if there not number ones then what the hell is edwards?

haha

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 11, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

a #1 on the new york jets

if he was a bear, he would immediately be the best receiver on the team and the best in 40 years.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So what?

The key thing you just said there is “great qb”. That’s really all wr’s need to excel. And right now they might not be #1’s on any team but in a year or two, knox and hester could both be #1 guys. Bennett won’t ever be a #1 guy but he and Cutler have good chemistry and that goes a long way in this league. Plus, Olsen seems to finally be developing some chemistry with Cutler, and that will be huge because Olsen is one of the better TE talents in the league.

Are you a Beaars fan?

by packallday555 on Oct 12, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hester will never be a number 1

i doubt knox will either. they are both good #2s.

and what is your point?

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can you predict the future now?

The progression of numbers(stats), coaches feedback, results and awareness on the field say Devin will be a #1 sometime soon.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes. i can.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My point

Is that you stating the Bears have no one who could become a #1 wr is ridiculous.

Hester has a TON of ability. He might be the fastest guy in the league, and one of the guys he is competing with is Knox. He is elusiveness is the best in the league hands down, as well as his ability to accerlate.

Hester and Knox have both looked very good thus far. They both have the ability to potentially become #1 guys.

This is really Hester’s first year of being a true wr and Knox’s first year as well. Do either have the potential Edwards has? No, but not many guys do.

WIth Hester, Bennett, Knox, and your te’s you have been able to get the job done.

by packallday555 on Oct 12, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

neither one of these guys have the physical abilities of a true #1

Hester is far too small to be a number 1. And before you go steve smith on me, you have to understand that he’s the exception.

and devin hester will never be steve smith. perhaps steve smith light. which will make a great #2

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And why not?

He is faster and more elusive than Steve Smith is? He has a chance to become as good as him.

I watched the Jets tonight though and your boy looked awfully good.

by packallday555 on Oct 13, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he is not more elusive than steve smith

steve smith does (as a wr) everything better than Hester ever wished he could

hester might be faster in a straight line. big deal.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

DUDE, you think Steve Smith was always great? No! He freaking worked his way up the way Hester is. This isn’t Madden. You cannot just create a player with 97 ability.

by brands735 on Oct 13, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dude! hester will never be as good as

steve smith. get it through your head

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK Nostradamus. Or are you Lady Cleo?

by brands735 on Oct 13, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No,

he’s just right. Hester will be a fine wide receiver, but when you’re talking about short guys catching passes, the ceiling is Steve Smith, and I don’t think Hester will ever be a guy that can change games with the physical style and go-get-it mentality that Steve Smith has.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 13, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He is right? It is a prediction! A prediction cannot be right until the future occurs. For all we know, Hester could be better than Steve Smith. You are allowed to have predictions and opinions but they are just that; they are not “right”.

Hester has better talent and quickness than Steve Smith. He needs to develop the field presence though.

by brands735 on Oct 13, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no hester does not have better talent or quickness

than steve smith. never has never will. he’s not a very good wide receiver. but way to overrate your own players like all fans do.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pure combo, speed, size, strength, talent, Hester has more. Applying that on the football field as a WR, Smith has shown he can apply it better with a much better field IQ. But you are contradicting your argument of “talent” above.

by brands735 on Oct 13, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes, no, no, no

the only thing steve smith can’t do better is run in a straight line.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That might not even be true.

Hester’s greatest asset as a returner is his vision and cutback ability. He’s not even the fastest, or second fastest, guy on his own team. Knox and Manning both have better straight line speed. I wouldn’t be so sure to say that Hester is faster than Smith. He may be now, but it’s no lock that the Steve Smith of five years ago was slower than Hester is today.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 13, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ooooooooooops

by Gesiakob on Oct 13, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol wtf do you see in him?

on season thats it! id take hester over edwards over today. hester has been coming up the past few years while edwards is hitting rock bottom

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 9, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good call.

you can have hester. i’ll take edwards.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hester doesnt drop a slant route

when jay throws a pass 30 yards down field to earl bennet and he takes a shot he holds on.
when hester is draped by a corner he makes the catch.
my point is edwards has talent but where did it go? one crazy good year but hes been non exisistent since. maybe he gets jumpstarted in new york good luck to the guy i like our guys

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 11, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Go root for the Jets then

see ya!

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't know what this means

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It means

you’re in love with Edwards, and he happens to be on the Jets.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"if you don't like bush, move to france"

by mike b on Oct 12, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i see.

thank you for the clarification

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

Are you just disregarding some of the catches those three have made in the first four games? I haven’t seen many drops, and all three of them have an average yards per catch over 13 yds. In my book, that’s very good.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 9, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Do people really

classify Edwards as “Elite” ?
If talent doesnt equate to on field production, it’s a waste.

Nathan Vasher is talented, Tommie Harris is talented, all people we can’t wait for the Bears to dump…
what Makes him Elite, his draft status, or his one good year?
He’s a poison on teams, they might as well have gone after T.O. he’s “elite” and just as troublesome, and they wouldnt’ have had to sell the farm to get him.

Our WR/TE core is good enough to Win 3 games so far, and kept us in the first one, along with our Defense, why add a proven PR disaster to our team, when nothing is broken?

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 8, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

How can you call him a poison?

Yeah, he punched a guy in the face. So did Olin Kreutz, and that was his own teammate. I haven’t seen or heard much about Braylon messing up locker rooms. Is he a diva? I dunno, maybe, but all good receivers these days are. Vasher isn’t talented. He’s not that good anymore. Harris is injured. Braylon Edwards is a perfectly healthy, extremely talented receiver. He’s got it all, and now that he’s out of Cleveland he’s gonna explode.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 8, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s got it all

except for the ability to not drop the ball

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 9, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you guys are talking about rec's that drop the ball

T.O. is the best in the game at dropping the damn ball and he’s still concidered one of the elite by most “guru’s” of the game.

by davis0169 on Oct 9, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...

by ifuwannacrownem on Oct 9, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes and TO is proving

that an elite receiver does not automatically make a team a winner. Football is a team sport if one player made a team unstopable than I’d say get the best you can. Look what Peyton Manning has done for Pierre Garcon. But can Peyton be Peyton with out Jeff Saturday and the rest of the O-line? As well as a decent running game.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 9, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Braylon Edwards

isn’t a Bear, thank God

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 9, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

but, you have to take into consideration the effect an elite WR can have on the entire receiving corps. here some examples:

Know what? I’m going to make a fanpost about this right now.

Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...

by ifuwannacrownem on Oct 10, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

look forward to it

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 10, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

The guy has all the athletic ablilty in the world but it doesn’t matter becaue he can’t catch the ball. So many times I saw him burn a cb and saftey by 2 steps only to watch him drop a perfect pass. I think he will be better in NYJ, but I don’t see why his hands will improve. If anything actually they might get worse. It gets pretty damn chilly in NY, and that certainly won’t help Edwards.

by packallday555 on Oct 12, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cleveland/Jets deal was going through unless you came with a good offer

Mangini is friends with the Jets GM. They’ve already had trades this year before. And several Jets followed Mangini to Cleveland.

by dsludo on Oct 8, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Beyond anything and everything else, you hit the nail on the head.

Mangini did the Jets a HUGE favor by making a trade that made it possible for the Jets to draft Sanchez.

Beyond that, Eric Mangini and ROB Ryan a great friends. Rob’s TWIN brother is REX Ryan, the current HC of the Jets.

Rex & Rob get along great.

It’s really just that simple.

Friends ‘help’ out friends.

by GeoMak on Oct 8, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We already have one receiver with the hands of a sea otter

by dkguy55 on Oct 8, 2009 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Our QB has made our WRs servicable...

And, there’s potential for better than expected things to occur from this group.

We desperately need our remaining draft picks to keep re-tooling both sides of our line, and improve our defense.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Oct 8, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh, for the record...

If the bears had traded for edwards, he would have immediately been the best bears receiver since Johnny Morris.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 8, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

really how so? what have YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY?

he can catch anything hes dropping curl routes when on one is around him! BENNET KNOX HESTER ALL HAVE MORE CATCHES AND YARDS edwards has NO tds in four games. this guy had one break out year other than hes been overpayed and a bust. do you even watch the bears games? knox bennet and hester have played above average and made MANY tough catches where they got hit bad this guy drops the ball when no is withing 10 yards! people love the idea of bringing in a good wr and im down with anything making our team better but at this point and time i dont see it in edwards maybe its the team he was on and he is revived on the jets who knows?

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 8, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're a homer

you have no ability to judge the bears impartially.

the bears receivers are average at BEST.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Would you be ok with

us giving up 2 players and 2 draft picks for Braylon Edwards? Our WR core is NOT the weak link of our team and we need our draft to get some youth into a few positions much more than add a receiver who IS NOT so dynamic that we could hold off those needs. You don’t fix something that isn’t broken and I don’t understand how you can ignore that we have the 2nd most productive receivers in the league. Don’t call Bear Lovin 21 a homer when you sound like a Braylon Edwards homer. Your definitely not thinking about what’s best for the team in the long run. We DONT need to pick up any receivers this season unless we have some serious injuries.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 9, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you do when it is broken

do you know who tom brady is? yeah, his receivers were fine. but the pats upgraded to randy moss.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How many of the Pats' championships did Brady win without big name receivers?

hmmm…could it be ALL OF THEM? Plus at the time Randy Moss was picked up he was thought to be on the last leg of his career.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 9, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

is that what you are going with?

dude, the patriots are the model of a well run franchise. the fact that they haven’t won a super bowl since moss’ arrival is a coincidence.

did you happen to know that Tom Brady didn’t play last year?

Did you happen to see Tom Brady’s numbers the year before with Moss?

Was it 47 td passes?

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol you dont know much

im fine with cutler havin ZERO tds if it mean we win a superbowl i dont care about numbers like that if a superbowl ring doesnt come with it

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 9, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you gotta win it the right way i guess

my God. if you can’t understand how stats and success go together, i can’t help you.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my point is stats are not everything

moss has most td catchs in a year any rings? brady 50 tds any rings? edwards in his one year 16tds not even in the playoffs stats dont mean squat unless theres a ring at the end of the year unless your one of those nerds who gets off on a brady bomb to moss

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 11, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it woudl still

be in your best interest to get the best players statitically. but if you want a bunch of ryan theriot’s go ahead.

by mike b on Oct 11, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so you like on year wonders?

hey guys lets get derek anderson too he threw for 27tds with edwards!!!! some people think hes a top 5 wr he is not even top 30

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 11, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

seriously?

that’s your argument? yep, only one year wonders put up good statistics.

by mike b on Oct 11, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you have no idea of what you are talking about

Peyton Manning is still better than Ben Roethlisberger. Even though ben has 2 rings to Mannings 1.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow your saying ....

braylon edwards is in the same league of peyton manning as talent between those two i take manning but its not the same convo because both have a ring edwards has a problem……he doesnt like to catch lol

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 11, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no. listen to what i am telling you

your “who has rings” argument is f’ing stupid.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

your stats argument is the one of non sense

who cares if you throw for 50 tds and the guy with what 21 tds wins the superbowl. you play to win the game not for stats edwards has no rings hell aint even sniffed the playoffs im done with this whole arguement about a guy who your a homer and more importantly does not effect this team

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 11, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

they guy with the best stats gives you the best chance to win

but you probably think that Brad Johnson is better than Dan Marino. After all, he has a ring.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

once again comparing marino to edwards wow

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no i am not. wow do you have trouble with reading comprehension

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you keep comparing

players who were great with no rings to those won were able to win one. am i taking trent dilfer over frank tarkenton? hell no
am i taking eli mannings 20 td SEASON over tom bradys 50 td SEASON yes because eli went home with a RING that year but overrall im taking brady anyday of the week

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you make no sense

this is not an apt comparison.

Everybody would take Tom Brady over Eli Manning every time.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

even if eli gives u a superbowl that year?

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, I had no idea Brady was injured last season!

47 TD passes doesn’t mean anything if you don’t get a W each week. The Patriots did not win their championships based on Tom Brady and his WRs. I don’t give a shit if the Pats are the model of a well run franchise, do you think Braylon Edwards makes us a well run franchise or something? Does a well run franchise pick up Braylon and say f*ck all of our other needs for our team? No, thats ridiculously stupid. We have way more pressing needs then to worry about WRs especially WHEN OUR RECIEVERS ARE PLAYING GREAT FOOTBALL!!! Wake up dude, your beginning to sound stupid. What happened to you Tempchad, I thought you were cool…

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 10, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm not sounding stupid

our receivers are playing well.

that said, they are not as good as braylon edwards

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree...

a wide receiver is one of the LAST things we need. How about a real free safety, another DB, stud defensive tackle and, most importantly, UPGRADE THE O-LINE! If we can bolster the aforementioned, then, yah, let’s go after a good receiver. Just not Edwards.

Bear Down, Chicago Bears!

by topdoggkyle on Oct 9, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What have you been watching!?

I am a Packers fan and by all accounts I hate the Bears. But even I am able to see that the Bears wr’s have been better then average. Hester has looked good. Knox has looked good. Both those guys are still really raw and will only continue to improve. Cutler has great chemistry with Bennett. He looks to Bennett a lot and so far it has worked out well for him.

The Browns wanted a wr in return, and another player as well. So who would you guys have given up? It would be a mistake to give up Hester or Knox because they have only begun to tap into their potential, and like I said above, Bennett has developed great chemistry with Cutler already so why give him up. I doubt they would have wanted Iglesias or Davis, and they already gave up a good amount of draft picks for Cutler.

I don’t think you have any ability to judge the Bears period. Have you actually been watching their games?

by packallday555 on Oct 12, 2009 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

shut up and go away pack fan

i know these bears well and we have average talent at wide receiver.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you dont know nothing the packers fan knows more

he hates or guts just like we hate his =) lol but even he said our receivers are fin just like braylon edwards your a bust

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

Ya trust me if the Bears wr’s were performing poorly I would be the first one to point it out. I don’t like the Bears. Just like most of you don’t like the Packers. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to look at things realistically. I watched the whole Steelers game. I watched Knox come up with big catch after big catch for the Bears in the pouring rain. I also saw how great Bennett looked. Your wr’s don’t look just average but even if they did who cares? They were far below average last year, and average or not they have been a huge part in your 3-1 record.

by packallday555 on Oct 12, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i mean theres tons of examples

in that very game im sure you saw olsens 20 yard catch downfield where he got NAILED again but he held on? how about hester on third 5 making a low grab to keep the chains moving? or hester in seattle making a great 3rd down catch and taking it to the house. all im saying is I HAVE FAITH in our recievers when edwards or if he ever returns to probowl form hit me up chad then well talk. Once again to our suprise our receiver are no the weak link of the team. people forget earl bennet because he isnt a burner but i love what he is bringing to the team. he is in the mold of a bobby engram hes making those catches on first and second down that make it 3rd and 4 3rd and 2 hes moving the chains and showed great hands so far this year he is basically a rookie as well

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

can you please not post when you are drunk

i am no grammar nazi but your sentence is gibberish

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

unfortunately for chad,

the Pack fan makes a lot more sense than chad does

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 12, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

except they don't

braylon edwards is a far better receiver than anyone on the bears.

end of story

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

No one is saying he is not. The argument is you guys DON’T need him. Your wr’s have been plenty good thus far. Cutler will only mesh with them more and more as the year goes as well.

by packallday555 on Oct 13, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and would be better with a real talent

what are you laughing at?

our guys aren’t that good. imagine if we had a real receiver

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

I’m laughing at you. I think all the claims about the Bears wr’s you have made are ridiculous. We’re 5 weeks into the season. They have been good so far. I think they at least deserve a year to see what they can do before you start writing them off as #2 or #3 wr’s tops.

Right now are any of your guys really good? No, they’re not. But Hester and Knox both have the potential to be. They have great physical ability. And all your talk about them being to small to be #1’s is ridiculous. Jennings is only 5’ 10" 190 lbs. and he is an elite #1. Driver also isn’t big by any means but he has been a very good #1 in the past and really still could be a teams #1.

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

look at the best wrs in the league they are all very tall and athletic

its no coincidence.

Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Randy Moss
Larry Fitzgerald

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by tempchad on Oct 14, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of course not

But that isn’t the point. You said earlier that none were big enough to be #1 guys, and Jennings and Smith are both relatively short. You also said you guys couldn’t get talent with the picks you would be giving up, so I provided you with wr’s who have had a lot of success in the league that were later round picks.

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's always

nice when a Packers fan comes to the defense…over another Bears fan. preciate the backup… at least somebody is noticing that we dont need “Hands” on our team

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is this post a joke?

Not bringing our WRs into the picture, have you watched Braylon Edwards play the last two years? He is not great and plays very average. I don’t care what his talent is if he doesn’t project on the field. David Terrell had a lot of talent too. Edwards is a joke. This post made me laugh.

by brands735 on Oct 8, 2009 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

i feel like the only one that finds this laughable

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 9, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You aren't the only one that finds this laughable.

It’s just sad that we still have to have the wide receiver talk, when our core has been much more productive than any of us imagined. I like what we have and I don’t care if they are average.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 9, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sign me up

and see my above replies to this idiocy. Edwards is another prima-donna WR in a long line of them. The only exception is he doesn’t have the production that other prima-donna WRs have. I wouldn’t underrate Chansi Stuckey either; he might actually out-play him when it’s all said and done.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 9, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed..

you’re not the only one that finds this laughable. Glad tempchad isn’t our GM.

Bear Down, Chicago Bears!

by topdoggkyle on Oct 9, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i love posts like this

i would argue that i’m glad that no one involved in this board is our gm.

especially ones who would rahter have matt jones than braylon edwards.

if i remember correctly, the jets could have had jones for nothing.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but Matt Jones

would only have cost us the veteran minimum to find out he’s a bum

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 9, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edwards is not a bum

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

laugh at this:

Edwards>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any other bears receiver.

the bears don’t have a receiver that would be a #1 on any team in the nfl.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You are flawed

It is funny that you think Braylon Edwards is so great. Did you play with the Browns on Madden and now all of a sudden you have a man crush on him? I know we say QBs make the WRs, but good WRs help the QB (whether good or bad). Edwards has done NOTHING except complain about not having a legitimate QB. He doesn’t get double covered that much and still cannot make plays. I have seen way too much of this joke to even consider him on the Bears. Our “WR by committee” if you will is performing fine and I have all the faith in the league in it right now.

To everyone saying we didn’t get Edwards cause of Knox: C’mon, Knox has been impressive for a 5th rounder but is not a Pro Bowler and is not a #1 WR in this league. Don’t get me wrong; I think he performing great and is going to be a strong weapon on the Bears for a long time, but don’t be like “OUR PROBLEMS AT WR HAVE BEEN SOLVED WITH JOHNNY KNOX”. We have a WR Core that is performing well, not just 1 WR.

by brands735 on Oct 9, 2009 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As if none of our wide recievers would be "#1 receivers" on other teams

Seriously… Who’s the Jags #1? Aging Torry Holt? That team’s future looks bright at the WR position. Like Hester and Bennett wouldn’t be #1s on the Bucks, Browns, Rams, or Raiders. I’m not saying we have the greatest receiving core in the league, but at this point, I’m not going to say we have a sorry group either. Time will tell how our group stacks up against the rest of the league, but so far, so good. Let’s address more pressing needs of at least 4 other positions before we start mortgaging our future on talent that wouldn’t make much of a difference.

See how much Randle-El and Santana Moss have made for the Redskins…. the Redskins are contenders with an all-star WR duo like that!

Bear Down, Chicago Bears!

by topdoggkyle on Oct 9, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks God

you dont make player trading decisions for the Chicago Bears

they dont need to be #1 on another team… they produce for us. who cares who’s number one for the other teams

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 9, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

really? whos better on the ...

BROWNS? RAMS? RAIDERS? JAGS? TITANS? WHOS BETTER ON THOSE TEAMS THAN HESTER KNOX OR BENNET? seriously you havent said one thing edwards could do better all you have done is slob on his knob. you could atleast say hes a big target jump ball guy plays well down the side line o wait that was only for one year! in that sarcastic post i made more points than braylon edwards has this season

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 9, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Again so what?

That would only be a problem had your wr’s not stepped up big time in the Pitt game and Seattle game. In the Steelers game Knox stepped up and was the “#1 guy”. He made a huge TD catch that ultimately helped win you guys that game. In the Seattle game, Hester made a great catch and ran it in for a TD to help you guys get the win.

by packallday555 on Oct 12, 2009 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Amazing how much a ~~good~~ upgrade at qb will make a WR better.

by dsludo on Oct 9, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

^^^^this

the rest of this board is filled with homers and rubes

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess we could all just agree with you.

But I think most people have their own opinions, just because they don’t agree with you doesn’t make them homers or rubes for that matter. I think if Edwards had been available earlier it would’ve made more sense but to bring him in 4 games in doesn’t make that much sense. And why mortgage our future for a receiver, why can’t we be happy with the new QB we got and see what he can do with the as you put it average receivers.

Always wanting what you can’t have, be happy with what you got, because when it’s gone it might turn out you miss it.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 9, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you’re down and confused
And you don’t remember who you’re talkin’ to
Concentration slip away
Cause your baby is so far away.
Well, there’s a rose in a fisted glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you can’t be with the one you love
Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with

by rdent4hof on Oct 10, 2009 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

lol You had to know you were getting a +1 for that one, r.d.

There’s a girl
Right next to you
And she’s just waiting
For something to do…

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Oct 11, 2009 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Glad you liked that one buddy...

Well, there’s a rose in a fisted glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you can’t be with the one you love
Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with

by rdent4hof on Oct 11, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I keep hoping the 4 of them will do another reunion.

I got to see Neil 6 or 7 years ago (in W. Palm), but I want to see them all together before one of them finally kicks off. Honestly, I’m amazed Crosby is still around.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Oct 12, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That'd be cool and I think they will.

The economy has kicked the music industry in the groin as well… Not that Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young are hurting, but I’m sure they like keepin’ theirs stacked high. And you know as well as I, reunions are paydays.

by rdent4hof on Oct 12, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Forgot to mention

I saw Neil Young as well… cannot remember the year… it was a H.O.R.D.E. Festival, I think 1999 maybe 98’ or 97’ (drugs are bad, mmmkay). Great lineup: MMW, Leftover Salmon, Morphene, Primus and Neil Young…. and Toad the Wet Sprocket, lol, didn’t quite enjoy them as much…

by rdent4hof on Oct 12, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

RIP Mark Sandman.

Morphine was absolutely amazing.

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Oct 12, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well said. And better spelling lol.

I was fortunate enough to be at the first Bonnaroo. During Les Claypool’s set, he spoke the good word about Mark and his influence on music… Claypool still uses the Bullet Mic that was once used by Mark Sandman. He mentions it at many shows still.

At the Bonnaroo show, after speaking about Mark Sandman, he asked the audience to join him in some yo ho’s to pay tribute to the fallen hero… and still does the yo ho’s at some shows… good stuff.

by rdent4hof on Oct 12, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then again

being a Morphine/Mark Sandman fan you probably knew this, already…

by rdent4hof on Oct 12, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lol.

Yeah… a lot of folks pay tribute to him. Trey Anastatio, Thom Yorke on occasion, Jeff Tweedy, even Connor Oberst.

Flea did a solo on a 2-string bass at VooDoo Fest one year, and Fiona Apple sang The Saddest Song at a show in Atlanta a few years ago.

DJ Shadow has used a lot of the double sax from Morphine’s songs in some of his shows too.

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Oct 12, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, sorry about that.

And thanx for educating me, on some Sandman tribute action…

by rdent4hof on Oct 12, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Saw him in 02 or 03.

It was a good show, but I was about to kill some drunk assholes next to me. He was doing his Greendale tour, and since the album is basically a story, he played the whole thing. People were flipping out screaming and booing because he wasn’t just playing a greatest hits kinda show. I was exhausted, it was of course hot as hell and it was raining, and I could feel my inner-Spellman trying to get loose.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Oct 12, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Love the last line.

There is no doubt, that’s the downer when it comes to seeing artists live, that have such a mainstream following… about half the people there are idiots. :-(

by rdent4hof on Oct 13, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a pain in the ass to deal with

but I do understand that that’s all the casual fan wants to hear, so it’s disappointing for them. However, I can not imagine having to play the same goddamn songs night after night, year after year. That can absolutely destroy your passion for your music, and when that happens, it’s time to hang it up.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Oct 14, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brilliant response, just freekin brilliant

You are the head of the Braylon Edwards fan club, well good for you, but just because pretty much everyone else here thinks otherwise does not make you the only smart one in the room. In fact, your post above shows just how ignorant you are. Chew on that for a while. No go take out the garbage and then upstairs to finish your homework.

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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the level of discourse here is moronic

i crap better football knowledge every morning that i have seen here.

just because a bunch of homers agree, it means nothing.

go take a look at a piece of shit blog like bleedcubbieblue for further reference.

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by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You must be the biggest one of them all

Welcome to the Bears company of homers, aka WCG.

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by propheteer on Oct 10, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm not a homer

i am biased but i don’t see everything in blue and orange

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't either, and I'm not thrilled with our WR corps,

but I still don’t know that Edwards would have been the right move. I don’t deny that he has enormous potential, but he hasn’t managed to put that talent and potential together yet, save for one season. If they could’ve gotten him really cheap, then ok. I wouldn’t have overspent to get him though.

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by JerBear50 on Oct 12, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this i can respect

at least you acknowledge that the bears receivers are not that great.

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, definitely not.

They’ve shown some potential, but that’s it. My personal feeling is that we’ll be lucky if Hester becomes worthy of being a slot guy. For being a small-school nobody, Knox has been surprisingly good so far, but there’s no guarantee that it will continue. I still haven’t decided on Bennett yet. He’s looked good, but he’s also disappeared at times.

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by JerBear50 on Oct 12, 2009 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

your turn

to admit that Edwards is an underachieving head case

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 12, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

still means nothing

he is a totally underachieving head case. that said, i firmly believe he can/will turn it around.

and i believe that he is far more talented than anyone on the bears

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Direct Answer to the Question/Post Title

Two names: Johnny Knox.

That is why Braylon Edwards isn’t a Bear. Next question.

by GallopingGhost on Oct 9, 2009 12:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

great.

we are screwed.

at best Knox is a big play #2. Edwards is a #1. even if he’s a weak #1 he’s still better than any bears receiver.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

screwed?

OK I’ll bite, though I don’t normally reply to such nonsense. We currently sit at 3-1, a game out of the division lead. We also currently possess the second most productive WR set in the ENTIRE NFL, that would be better than 30 other teams, which I mention simply because you seem to be having a hard time wrapping your head around that. Seems to me thats a little bit better than “average at best”. At the current pace, we stand to go 12-4 through the course of the regular season, which I believe, and I may be wrong, will secure a playoff birth. As well, projected over the course of the regular season, we stand to see far more production from our receivers than we have seen from this organization in a long long time. Now I dont know about the rest of you, but if thats being “screwed”, then keep the “screwin” coming, because so far I’m likin’ being “screwed”. Apparently, the front office has stated “we like what we have” at the WR position, the coaching staff has stated “we like what we have” at the WR position, and the QB(the most important input on the subject,IMO) has stated “we like what we have” at the WR position. Taking this a little further, in order to bring in Edwards, or any other “elite” level WR would cost us,more than likely, draft picks, current players, and a bunch of cash, which we are definitely going to need to compensate our new STUD QB. Add to that the fact that the acquisition of an “elite” WR would cause a young ,potential “elite” WR in the making like Johnny Knox, to be riding the pine and losing valuable playing time/experience. In all of this, I just don’t see enough upside to justify the move, sorry. I guess, at the end of the season we will be able to crunch the numbers and see how it plays out.

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by BearDown34 on Oct 9, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

really good post BearDown34

you summed up all points i mean its only 4 games but around this point you get a good sense of what you have and i beleive knox is a find
and by the way Greg Olsen is gonna break out of his funk

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 11, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tempchad has a hard on for Braylon Edwards.

Are you a 5-hour energy spokesperson?

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 9, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

You won’t even give the guys a chance. Look at the Vikes, all Berrian is, is a big play #1 and it has worked out for him. The Bears have 2 very scary deep threats.

by packallday555 on Oct 12, 2009 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

berrian is not a big play #1 and that's why the bears let him walk

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

like edwards he has a case of the drops out of no where

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then

What would you classify his play as last year?

48 receptions, 964 yards, and 7 TDs. Averaged 20.1 ypc.

55 receptions, 873 yards, and 3 TDs. Averaged 15.9 ypc.

Those are Berrian and Edwards numbers. Berrian is certainly not on the same level as DreJ, CJ, Moss, Smith, Marshall, Fitz, Boldin, White, or Jennings. He is an average #1 wr who provides big plays.

Berrian’s numbers in 08’ were far more impressive then Edwards, especially when you take into account that he had Tavarias Jackson throwing him the ball.

by packallday555 on Oct 12, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the bears let him walk for a reason

berrian is a great #2

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

god bless you

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 9, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why is it that every player who's been traded or cut, but has any "name recognition" is a "must have" for the Bears?

Same nonsense with Derrick Brooks, Matt Jones, Marvin Harrison, Deuce McAllister etc., etc. There’s a reason all those guys are still sitting out there, just like there wasn’t a long line to give up draft picks for a receiver who drops more passes than any other starting WR in the league.

Edwards looks like he was a one year wonder and giving up draft picks when you’re not having trouble at that position now makes no sense.

by BearFan611 on Oct 9, 2009 6:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

didn't want any one of those guys

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There are several reasons.

1) He has a pretty big rookie contract.

2) His deep threat abilities wouldn’t exactly diversify the team. Johnny Knox and Devin Hester both have similar big play ability.

3) He’d probably make Rashied Davis look like a possession receiver.

4) He comes with off-the-field issues, including the Cleveland incident.

5) He’s not what the Bears need most right now. They could use better secondary or O-line play more than they need receivers.

6) If he starts, one of the Bennett/ Knox/Hester trio has to sit, and all three have been productive.

7) They already traded a first-rounder in next year’s draft to snag Cutler. Trade a 3 and 5, and you’re left with only four picks (only one of which is a “first-day” selection) in the draft with which to address needs. And late selections like Knox who not only stay on an NFL roster, but contribute early, are rare.

8) Cutler would have to interrupt his great chemistry with his current three wideouts to break Edwards in.

9) Edwards needs to learn the playbook if he’s going to contribute.

by V. Money on Oct 9, 2009 6:55 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Rashied's batting a thousand this year, 2 for 2 baby!

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by smudgers on Oct 9, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you believe the stories

he isn’t a Bear because of Deion.

Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!

by Adam T on Oct 9, 2009 6:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Braylon Edwards is not a Chicago Bear

because of JOSH MCDANIELS MANCRUSH ON BRANDON MARSHALL.

Sorry, couldn’t help myself. Seriously though, it would be nice to have a Pro Bowl caliber WR, but we don’t have to rush some more draft picks out the window right now. Having Cutler on our roster will significantly impact our ability to lure free agent WRs our way.

And don’t think for a minute Jerry Angelo is not already thinking about that.

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Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Oct 9, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Case in point on the wideouts...

One T.J. Houshmanzadeh.

by V. Money on Oct 9, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what's your point?

that one guy didn’t pan out so no one else will?

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can see this being a running gag for a long, long time.

Nicely done.

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by smudgers on Oct 10, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just

wouldn’t be able to justify it from a GM perspective.Edwards isn’t neccesarily a talent you can’t pass up on.The Bears gave up half of the draft for a quarterback,which I supported because of the possible upside with Cutler.Now giving up another 2 picks and 2 players for a player that plays a position that we have shown to have some depth at(suprisingly albeit). Would it be nice to have a top tier wide reciever that Cutler can use as a security blanket?Sure,but let’s wait until next year and see where the recieving progression has gone.

Edwards might not be the homerun you think he is.So I wouldn’t sellout the future for another big contract that certainly isn’t a sure thing.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 9, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, having a guy like Knox star would be a double boon.

Not only would the Bears not have to fork over money for a quality guy, but they also have someone who already has a year in the offense.

by V. Money on Oct 9, 2009 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather

have Matt Jones for virtually nothing.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 9, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

Just what I was gonna post.

by rdent4hof on Oct 9, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have always been calling for bringing in Matt Jones

but who would we choose to lose playing time to let him get in at this point in the season? It seems that Knox would lose some time and that’s just plain unacceptable. If we get some big injuries at WR, then I’m all for it again but I’m off the Matt Jones bandwagon at the moment.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 9, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Change in game-day philosophy

The Bears would have to trim from another position in order to get a Matt Jones dressed and in the lineup. Turner would have to implement some 4-WR sets in order to get everyone touches. I don’t think this would necessarily be a bad thing, but I mostly wanted Jones before the season started. After seeing what Bennett, Hester, and Knox have done there’s less need to bring in a veteran.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 9, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

THANK GOD ALMIGHTY

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Oct 14, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

To add

From what I’ve seen, our WR’s have shown steady improvement every game this season…

With an improving O-line and running game, I see no reason why that ^ positive trend wouldn’t continue…

Not that we need a WR right now, but for fun. I wanted to show the 08’ stats of M. Jones & B. Edwards

Matt Jones JAC—— WR 65rec- 761yds——- 11.7
B. Edwards CLE——- WR 55rec- 873yds——- 15.9

Jones did that in 12 games. Edwards, in 16 games.

by rdent4hof on Oct 9, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

awesome. i love this post

you can have matt jones. cause, you know, he sucks.

edwards is 100 times the player jones wishes he could be.

i love this board.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lol. I know why you don't want Jones.

But seriously, why the haste? Like I stated above, just having Cutler on board will change our franchise from being known as the place that WRs go to die to a place free agent WRs will want to come.

I agree that Edwards is better (talent-wise) than our WRs. And I’ll agree that a player can turn over a new leaf in a new city. But we are not desperate right now for a WR. Ours are doing just fine, and we are winning with who we have.

Cutler is only going to continue to mesh with them, and develop a rhythm, and Ron Turner said the other day that he still hasn’t broken out all of the passing plays because of all the newness. We’re gonna be fine…

And we’re gonna attract FA talent at that position…

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by Dane Noble on Oct 9, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

finally a well reasoned counter argument

i hear what you are saying, but the odds are that we will not get that level of talent from our 3rd and 5th round picks next year. plain and simple.

and i believe that when you can get top level talent on the cheap, you must.

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by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't think we would get that much talent in the draft next year.

Unless we got lucky. But I’m not talking about the draft. I’m talking FAs.

Here’s a list of FA WRs next year… there’s a hand full that I would love to see in a Bears uniform next year.

Besides, were the Browns even publicly shopping Edwards?

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Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Oct 9, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it was the worst kept secret in football

there have been tons of trade rumors about him since the end of last season.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and another thing....

who do you want from that list?

Perhaps Vincent Jackson. Aisde from that the best name there (other than edwards) is Brandon Marshall. And wasn’t “head case” something people were worried about here?

Not me, btw. Winning cures all head cases.

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by tempchad on Oct 9, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Winning does cure all. But...

I would take Breaston, Bryant, Marshall, Owens. Jackson… hell, even Kevin Walter. None of those guys would cost us draft picks, and would do very well with Cutler.

In a heartbeat brother.

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by Dane Noble on Oct 9, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll take

Marshall, Jackson, Walter, or Bryant in that order. Breaston is too much like what we have plenty already, and TO is old/malcontent.

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by propheteer on Oct 10, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Kevin Walter would be a great fit.

We’ve got sideline speed guys in Hester and Knox. An underneath guy like Walter would be great, but I don’t think there’s a chance in hell that Houston will let him walk. He takes a lot of the pressure off of Andre Johnson.

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by JerBear50 on Oct 11, 2009 3:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You do have a point.

But that said, I think Edwards is better than any of those receivers. Marshall has had more years and has the benefit of having played with Cutler, but Edwards has that one sick season and has been stuck in a city that has been worse off than the Bears in terms of QB’s used this millennium. Marshall is the safe choice, but Edwards+Cutler could potentially be the best tandem in the league, IMO.

Metal sharpens metal.

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by dakoose on Oct 9, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My Vote goes to

Jackson,Vincent,or Ward.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 10, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Er..

That would be Vincent Jackson,Ward,or Breaston.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 10, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ward is 100 years old

no thank you

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And

Edwards can’t catch the ball.I’ll take Ward,the guy who knows how to win and do all the small things.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 12, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

knows how to win

i love your intangibles concept. does he play the game the right way?

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd imagine so

with a ring on his finger.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 12, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so does brad johnson

that doesn’t mean anything

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I

thought the point of playing was to win.Not to have the most underacheiving most talented team in the league..Hmm or is it?Damnit.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 12, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you are talking intangibles

i am talking statistics.

and rings dont’ mean anything. who would you rather have, Hines Ward or Randy Moss?

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ward

I value run blocking and playing the game the right way in a manner that I view wins football games.Is Randy Moss more physically gifted than Ward?I would think so.Edwards is probably too,but I’m interested in winning.Up to this point,Ward has got both of their numbers.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 12, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sigh

what planet are you on?

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WTF? did you just say that?

rings dont mean anything? wow

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

in this situation, no they don't

David Tyree has a ring. he’s not a better wr than larry fitzgerald.

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep. it's an irrelevant argument

in this sense because it isn’t possible to compare a good stats guy now with a future super bowl winner. one exists and the other is theoretical.

rings don’t matter if they’re not your teams rings, hines ward winning some in pittsburgh doesn’t make him more likely to win one somewhere else.

by mike b on Oct 12, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But

it can be argued that ‘knowing how to win’,which I believe entails doing everything that you can possibly do on the field.Gives the team as a whole a better chance to win.

So I’d be more interested in Ward’s 5 catches for 75 yards,blocking defensive backs the whole game and opening holes for his running backs,than Moss’ 12 catches for 150 and 2 td’s all the while not throwing that big block on that sweep play on 2nd and long.

All hypothetical of course,and the argument is based on one’s perception of how well a football player plays,and what he does on the field to win.

My point boils down to the idea that you can have all the Moss’ or Edwards’ on your team as you want,but I don’t think it trumps “real football players”.Like Ward,and Fitzgerald for that matter.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 13, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

irrelevant

My point boils down to the idea that you can have all the Moss’ or Edwards’ on your team as you want,but I don’t think it trumps "real football players".Like Ward,and Fitzgerald for that matter.

a year ago was fitz jsut a stat guy or did he “play the game the (your) right way?”

by mike b on Oct 13, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He

plays smart and seems to do all the things he needs to do to win.I’ve seen him play in probably half a dozen games and I’ve never seen him take a play off..So yeah he plays my way I geuss. Relevent.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 13, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow 6 games?

and you’re going to baseit off what you see on a television. can’t argue with that mentality. won’t argue with that mentality.

i’ll leave it at: your player today who is only stats is tomorrow’s super bowl champ for all you know.

by mike b on Oct 13, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

What good did Fitzgerals winning-abilities do for AZ up until last year. Hell, even last year the Cardinals got blown out a few times. Jared Allen is the best defensive end in the league, and has been so for a long time. He takes no plays off, but his teams have sucked. This game-winning mediocre player concept is nonsense.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 13, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Knows how to win?

Does he know how to win more than…. Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Calvin Johnson. Good players help teams win, bad players don’t. Good teams win, bad teams don’t. No player is a freaking winner. Put Peyton Manning in Cleveland and he’s Archie Manning II. There is nothing dumber than saying so and so is a winner. See Rex Grossman.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Talking

Free agent WR I’d like to see in Chicago.Ward is one of them. Starting to argue apples and oranges boys.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Explain what you mean by he knows how to win?

How does one know how to win, other than being very good at what one does?

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Browns

probably would’ve asked for Knox; that’s a deal-breaker in my book.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 10, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

enjoy your flavor of the month

i’ll bet you anything that edwards has a better career

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Depends how you look at it

How are you judging that?

A first rounder from a huge football school vs.
A fifth rounder from a “where is that? do they have a football team” school???

I am not gaga for Knox like everyone else, but he has already done more than most people drafted at his position. Edwards should be held to a higher standard given his draft position. Knox will be able to exceed expectations easier. I don’t think Edwards will ever have another Pro Bowl season and Knox could make it as a return man this year even.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

When a rookie

performs this well out of the gate, it’s a great sign that he’s the real deal. Why? Because he understands how to get open, and score TDs. Good luck being a Jets fan and Edwards 0 TDs.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Especially

When their from a small school. See Greg Jennings.

by packallday555 on Oct 12, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Add

Marques Colston

by rdent4hof on Oct 12, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of Greg

What’s going on with him and his place in the offense? Is it because of double-teams and what not?

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

when a rookie performs this well out of the gate, it’s a great sign that he’s the real deal

do you have any numbers to back that up? I’m not so sure even the majority of guys who have 4 good first games become the real deal.

by mike b on Oct 12, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I listed them above

Knox- 14 rec. 190 yds, +13 ypc and 2 Tds (and 1 td return).

Not bad for a rookie WR who didn’t play against top collegiate talent. If he “gets” it now, what will happen when he has more seasoning at the NFL level?

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no

you didn’t answer the question. show me the numbers of rookies that “preform well out of the gate” and then do or do not turn into something. 4 GAMES.

what will happen when he has more seasoning at the NFL level?

could be absolutely nothing. could be soemthing.

by mike b on Oct 12, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not on numbers alone

I’m basing it on how long it takes WRs to learn a new pro-system, adjust to the speed of the game, and understand the intricacies of defenses. Knox seems to be adjusting very well to one of the most difficult positions to grasp coming out of college. I’m not going to get into stats cause there aren’t many rookie WRs that do very well.

Recent rookie WR successes-

DJack
Royal
Bowe
Manningham (to a lesser extent, but scored 3 TDs last year).

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think a lot of guys

have had a good 4 games and did nothing since. not sure it really means anything.

by mike b on Oct 12, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

keep on doubting someone who competed against sub-standard talent for his entire collegiate career.

So, you’d rather trade the farm for someone with a very small sample of success? Edwards hasn’t remotely shown to be consistent in any manner.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What?

Have you been so spoiled by rich history of Bears’ wide receivers that back to back to back 800+ yards seasons, one of which was nothing short of sensational is something you scoff at? That stretch of play would probably rank among the greatest three year production in Bears’ history.
2006-2008: 196 catches, 3046 yards, 25 TD’s, 15.5 Y/C. How pathetic! What a small sample size.

Metal sharpens metal.

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by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mediocre '06 and '08

I like how you jumbled two very mediocre years into his one great year, thus maximizing his numbers over those three years. I wouldn’t call 55 catches nor 61 and less than 900 yds as “elite” by any means.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

All I did was present numbers. Thats it.

You all act like you can discredit his 2007 season. You can’t. He had that great year and it counts, unlike some of you guys seem to insinuate. I never said he is elite. I said he has elite talent, and his overall numbers show that. Two solid years + 1 sick one on awful teams is pretty damn good. He has the tools to be a great wide receiver, and he has the benefit of having already performed like one.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's no different than you all

choosing to reference his 06 and 08 and discard his 07.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not discarding it at all

I pointed out that those years were sub-par for an “elite” talent like Edwards, and acknowedged ‘07 was a great year. Actually, his ’06/’08 seasons are very similar to the year Hester had in his debut campaign as a receiver. Furthermore, it’s not a legitimate reason to explain why he was nothing close to “elite” in ‘06/’08 because he was on a bad team.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes it is.

He was merely a good receiver on a bad team, thus the reason for “only” getting 900 yards. Quinn, Anderson, Gradkowski, etc……. Mediocre running game, poor offensive line, bad QB’s. I’m very, very psyched to see what he can do now that he’s out of that dump.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

huh?

keep on doubting someone who competed against sub-standard talent for his entire collegiate career.

is that supossed to mean something? are you saying that’s what knox did and that’s why he was only a 5th round pick? are you really avoiding the possibility that he had a good 4 games and that may be it? i hope that’s not the case but i’m not going to stick my fingers in my ears and ignore the possibility.

3rd and 5th isn’t the farm, and i didn’t say i would do it, but i would not have totally dismissed every trade like many here seem to have.

but this “we already have great wideouts” and “stats don’t win football games” is total bcb, homer bullshit. the bear have some guys who have stepped up so far. that’s it.

by mike b on Oct 12, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

tempchad

acts like our receivers have done much but they have PLAYED above averrage so far and its only 4 games maybe knox fizzles out or he becomes a star who knows. my whole deal is edwards has talent you cant deny that right? but heres the thing last two seasons where has he been? hurt no? suspended no? he has not been producing i wouldnt want to give up a majority of picks for a guy who has been underachieving and especially when UNTIL NOW our wr’s have over acheived but time will tell. good luck to edwards

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He played

on a bad team. I didn’t realize that made him exempt from playing like a very high 1st round draft pick.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's not the point.

Did you see him play tonight? He was outstanding and made several plays in just tonight’s game that no player on the Bears’ roster would have made.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Justification much?

Give me a break. He also dropped another TD pass that wasn’t interference. He had a good game, but nothing Knox or Hester couldn’t match.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're blind in your faith.

That sideline catch over Vonte Davis was ridiculous. This is over. This is what it must feel like to be B&B.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

By the way,

I’d bet you anything that Edwards has the better career. Would you trade Knox for Edwards, straight up? I fear no will be ur answer.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sure

but that wasn’t the deal. Straight up would’ve never happened though.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 13, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He dropped a touchdown on the Jets’ final drive. Pass interference was called (even though the CB played it just fine) and the ball went right through his arms. Any of our WRs can put up 5 catches for 60 yards and a TD against Miami’s defense too. Very pedestrian numbers.

by brands735 on Oct 13, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

should have been 2 tds

and don’t be a moron, it was his first game with a brand new qb and a brand new system

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And a brand new jersey to let passes bounce off of.

by brands735 on Oct 13, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're so smart.

You wanna play that game? His sensational sideline catch was a TD, and a nicer catch than anyone on the Bears has ever made.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 13, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’d take Marty Booker’s 1 handed catch last year or D.A. insane pre season catch against the Giants over Edwards catch that didn’t count and was over ruled.

I haven’t seen any Bears WRs let a pass go RIGHT THROUGH their arms yet this year. Edwards made a hoop with his arms, and the ball went right through the middle of it. 2 points!!!

by brands735 on Oct 13, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this has to be the dumbest comment of them all

you can’t base your argument over one play.

i don’t care if Mary Booker made a one handed catch.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chad, you(under the alias dakoose) presented the statement. So now you disagree with yourself?

by brands735 on Oct 13, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i have no alias

and right now it’s lining up all comments, regardless of where posted here.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

to be fair,you proposed Edwards catch last night as being better than any catch a Bear has made.

Brands proposed Booker’s catch.

Pot calling the kettle something or other.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 13, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't understand.

You want a receiver that does every single thing asked of him perfectly well? TO is going to go to the HOF, and he has always dropped passes. Nobody in the league is perfect. Randy Moss is another surefire hall of famer, but he can’t run block, at all. He doesn’t go over the middle often either. Favre is an all time great QB, but throughout his career he has thrown picks like they’re going outta style. Edwards isn’t perfect, but he’s a damn good receiver, and if you can’t see that, you haven’t been watching.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 13, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

DA and Booker

are not on the Bears, so your point is moot.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 13, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sorry,

DA is on the team, he just doesn’t dress or play.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 13, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you are the one that brought up the “1 catch” comparison. So therefore a WR on the Bears that doesn’t dress or play has a better catch than Edwards.

by brands735 on Oct 13, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unbelievable.

Get a clue. I’m talking about receivers of consequence. The Bear receivers that play can not make the catches Edwards does. Jesus effing Christ!
I’m done here.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 13, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If that is what you are talking about, then talk about it, don’t bring something up then go back on it. Bears WRs can make great catches too. Edwards has never been known for his hands.

by brands735 on Oct 13, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

simply awesome

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brand new QB

does that make him drop a TD pass?

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 13, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

one play

one game. let’s reserve judgement.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really

but this "we already have great wideouts" and "stats don’t win football games" is total bcb, homer bullshit

Never said the Bears have great wideouts, or stats don’t win football games. I merely expressed my opinions about a player who I believe is vastly overrated as an elite talent. Sure he’s above average, but is he really worth giving up a 3rd, a 5th, and two contributing players? He’s like a slight upgrade over Roy Williams. IMO- not worth it.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, keep watching the Jets play football,

and you’ll be singing a different tune. Sanchez to Edwards is gonna be heard many, many times.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And

Cutler to Knox and Hester as well.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yawn

the only people who think that hester and knox are better than Edwards are blind bear fans.

keep on keeping on Homer

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There you go again

trying to forcefully convince another Bears fan to think the way you do. When it doesn’t work you throw out the name-calling. I’m not a blind fan, nor will I cheer a product/team that’s not producing or winning consistently. As long as Knox, Hester, and Bennett continue to make clutch catches I have nothing to complain about. If you want to fret about not having a malcontent, inconsistent, “elite” type talented WR on the Bears feel free to vent all you want, but don’t expect others to follow suit.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 13, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

no. your insistence that

the bears have a wr that is as good or better than braylon edwards is laughable.

no one outside of chicago would say that. can you step back from your fandom for one second and be objective?

and what i replied to was this statement

“Cutler to Knox and Hester as well.”

you are implying that Cutler to Knox and Hester would be as prolific as Cutler to Edwards, Hester and Knox.

Which is just stupid.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We'll see

but again, stop pretending that I’ve said those words. I never, repeat never said he wasn’t more talented than any WR on the Bears. That doesn’t necessarily mean it makes the Bears better if he were on the team.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 13, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so a better player won't make the team better

i see.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

like disrupt team chemistry, drop passes, underachieve, take plays off, you the know the usual prima-dona WR stuff. Just a FYI- he’s not the second coming of TO or Moss.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 13, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

team chemistry is overrated

there have been plenty of teams in professional history that hated each other but won.

drop passes? can be worked on.

Won’t underachieve with a real qb.

And the only people who care about prima donna stuff are fans like you.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Derek Anderson..

Real quarterback in my opinion.I heard he’s an elite shoe- tyer too,we oughtta tried for him.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 13, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No one said that the current Bears wr’s are better then Edwards!!!

People’s arguments against you is that the Bears wr’s have been able to get the job done thus far. If your wr’s are getting the job done then why go and make a trade?

Edwards is better then Hester, Knox, Bennett, and every other wr/te on the Bears. But the Bears wr corps has gotten it done to this point!

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no. that is simply not true

people here don’t think that edwards is better than what we have.

and even if they are getting it done, they can do better. i want the bears to get better.

people say that we should improve the line or the defense. those players are not available right now.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 14, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

people here don’t think that edwards is better than what we have.

Well it’s obvious that Edwards is better then what you have. It’s ignorant for people to say he is not. He had 1 tremendous season. Hester and Knox both have not yet had one. Edwards is a better wr then Hester or Knox and he does have more potential then both of them. But like I have said your wr’s are getting it done, and Hester and Knox both have a lot of potential too.

and even if they are getting it done, they can do better. i want the bears to get better.

I hear ya, we all want our teams to get better. But keep in mind you guys are 3-1 and really could easily be 4-0. Your team has looked good so far, and it hasn’t been against any cupcakes. You gotta at least give the current wr corps a chance.

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dude if you keep this up

you will be asked to be a jets fan.

careful. it happened to me and it will happen to you too

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

followed by "Dropped by Edwards"

;)

(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."

by ThorCo on Oct 13, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well.....

As of right now, Jets 3-2 and the Bears 3-1. Jets just got beat by the 1-3 Dolphins. I don’t think they are as good as you’d like to think. And 1 receiver does not make a championship team (see Randy Moss).

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 13, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stop evaluating players

with team stats. That’s simply a stupid thing to do.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 13, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll evaluate anyway I want

the only stat that matters is Wins and losses and if you are too stupid to figure out that a “talented” player does not always equate to wins then I can’t help you.

Which team do you own or are the GM for again?

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 13, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if you think that then you are an idiot

the more talent you have the better your chance of winning.

every single time.

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by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

for the last time.

Yes Bralyon Edwards is talented and is more skilled than the receivers we have. However I don’t feel that the Bears should have pusued him and thus given up the rest of next years draft for someone who “might” become elite. I would rather trade for a “proven” commodity.

I understand that a talented team will improve your chance of winning. What I said was one talented guy doesn’t mean we automatically win. Yes it does improve our chances. Name calling isn’t going to help you get your point across so save it.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 13, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

then don't say stupid things

braylon edwards is a proven commodity. Nearly 1300 yards and 16 touchdowns is not a fluke.

last year there was a revolving door at QB for hte browns. how can you expect him to repeat that? his yards per catch was nearly the same.

you know what that tells me? that when he has a qb he makes plays.

we will not get that level of talent with the picks we would have give up.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your argument is flawed

The numbers he put up that you say make him a proven commodity were with the same QB’s that are still there.

you know what that tells me? that when he has a qb he makes plays.

I think Sanchez is an improvement but he’s not proven either.
It is possible to package the picks and move up in the draft, but with our draft history there’s not telling what we’d get. I’d like to think that in FA next year we’ll be able to pick up a more talented WR than what we have without having to sell our souls.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 13, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we wouldn't give up much

and there isn’t much better out there.

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by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 13, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great point

The “fluke” of a year he had was with almost the same exact personnel. What should that tell us about Braylon? When things are tough he packs it in. Btw temp- this is the primadonna stuff I’m talking about.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 13, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

are you high?

4 different starting qbs. that is not the same personnel

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

For the majority

of the season he had the usual QBs throwing him the ball. The “team” itself was largly unchanged. Should we now blame all the scrub QBs for his 16 drops now?

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 13, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

keep pounding the drops

here’s a link for you

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004574457761861314066.html?mod=article-outset-box

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by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Keep pounding

the bad team/QB thing.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 13, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

except mine has merit

yours doesn’t

people don’t fluke their way to 1300 yards and 16 tds

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mushin Muhammed did..

The year before we got him..

by Syndor on Oct 13, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wasn't a fluke

a career year followed by moving to a team that couldn’t throw the ball

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 14, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was his ninth year in the league.

by Syndor on Oct 14, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so?

if the bears could throw he would have had 1000+ yards easily. He had almost that last year.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 14, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So Mushin must be an elite wr too..

by Syndor on Oct 14, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Joey Gallowayand T.J. Hous whatever..

by Syndor on Oct 14, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh and here's a spoiler for you

last year devin hester’s catch rate was 57%. this year its 73%

hmmm, i wonder what was different?

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

his overall understanding of the offense had something to do with it as well. Furthermore, he probably is getting open more often cause of the aforementioned statement, but certainly having Jay hasn’t hurt though.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 13, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think

during the miami game, they showed 27 since 2007, most in NFL, i’m just sayin

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 15, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No he is not

One good year does not mean you are proven. Revolving door at QB in 08’?? He actually had the same QB in 08’ as he had in 07’.

“we will not get that level of talent with the picks we would have give up.”

Marshall was drafted in the 5th round and he is an elite wr. Jennings was taken at the very end of the 2nd round and he has become elite. Steve Smith was taken in the 3rd round. Anquan Boldin was a 2nd round pick.

You can get a highly talented wr anywhere in the draft.

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dude, you don't fluke into 1300 yards

and 16 tds.

and i stand by my statement as for the guys you listed were lightning in a bottle.

your odds of getting top talent in the first round is far greater than the fifth.

And you see your marshall/jennings/smith/bolden and raise you

Randy Moss/Larry FItzgerald/Calvin Johnson/Andre Johnson.

yours are good. mine are much better

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 14, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And you see your marshall/jennings/smith/bolden and raise you

Randy Moss/Larry FItzgerald/Calvin Johnson/Andre Johnson.

yours are good. mine are much better

Much better? People seem to forget that Boldin statistically was doing much better then Fitz was until his scary injury towards the end of the year. Steve Smith is a top 5 talent at WR and really so is Marshall.

Is the group you listed above better then mine? Sure it is but not by much, and certainly not much better.

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a lost cause.

Bears’ fans are afraid of too much offensive talent. Edwards is built like a dream receiver. Big, strong, fast, quick, athletic, etc. He drops some passes, I get that. People think that 26 year old receivers with a 1300yd/16 TD season on their resumes pop up annually on the trading block. This was a huge opportunity, and for whatever reason the Bears passed.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 9, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He would have been dropopatamus part 2

by jake1823 on Oct 9, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

hey tempchad i got a deal for you

shoulda traded dez clark and maybe a 2nd rounder for edwards.

by reefermadness3 on Oct 9, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe we should just stick with the guys weve got for now...........

See how the year pans out, this team is only going to gell better as the games go on, and then yea, if we dont win the Super Bowl you go out and get a FA that is available to make the team better. Who knows who it will be Boldin or Marshall or whatever. The point is the guys weve got now are being productive, alot more productive than the Tight Ends that we all thought were going to catch 120 passes collectively.

No I see the WRs all getting their fair share of catches and the big 3 (Knox, Bennett, Hester) are all averaging around 13 yards per catch and they havent even started taking shots down field if you havent noticed so that number is surprisingly high if you asked me. That is what Im looking for in a WR corp. Yea its only 4 games, so we have to wait see how this plays out before we rush to judgement, but as it stands right now, we do not need Edwards. We are 3-1 without a so called #1 WR, which is what everyone is saying we needed, only time will tell. But if I wanted a guy that is a “true” #1, it wouldnt be Edwards, who had his one great year and hasnt done sh** since, it would be someone else who could be available this offseason, like Boldin, who Im real high on, a guy with heart.

As it stands right now, we are fine, but I wouldnt mind a guy with size for red zone TDs, which are always needed. But Tempchad I know you like to stir the pot so go forth with your argument but this is just the way it is. Guys are stepping up and all you want to do is bi*ch about what management hasnt done, but the bottom line is they have done enough to put a winning product on the field.

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by ANYTIME09 on Oct 10, 2009 2:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Braylon Edwards Is Not A Bear

Because he is a punk.

by Gesiakob on Oct 10, 2009 4:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Better yet! Braylon Edwards is not Bear

because he was traded to the Jets!!!!

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by BearNecessities on Oct 10, 2009 4:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i heard it was because

angelo threw him a 40 million dollar contract but he dropped it so deal was off

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Lines

Are what we should look for in next years FA
Cris Snee is available
as is Kyle Vanden Bosch
(according to that site)

by DaHamsta on Oct 10, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

WR'S

When are you pea brained critics that keep harping about a primo wr goin to wake up and smell the pizza. If Jerry brought in a premier wr ( any one from any team ) the whole learning/ connecting process would have to start from the begining. The new reciever would have to learn to play Jay’s game and not the other way around and the season is 1/4 over. You want to waste the rest of the season retraining a ( primo ) wr! Think about it.

by E. T. on Oct 11, 2009 7:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

don't call anyone a pea brain then proceed

to post an rambling non-sensical post filled with grammar errors.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not convinced any of the WR's are better than average here

Not Knox, Hester or Bennett. I’m convinced that Jay Sizzle is a beast, though.

However, Braylon Edwards is either the leader or close to the lead in drops the last two years. You’re an NFL WR. This isn’t college. You shouldn’t be dropping passes like that. I’m fine with the Bears passing on him.

by jake1823 on Oct 11, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I Think The Subject Matter And All The Comments Associated With It Are

Nothing more than mental masturbation.

by Gesiakob on Oct 11, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

hi, welcome to a blog

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is That What This Is Chad?

I thought I stumbled into a website where mindless people dream impossible scenerios and wonder what could have happened if they occured?

by Gesiakob on Oct 11, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh no. you did. you absolutely did.

but somehow pointing out that this is all mental masturbation is not remotely insightful

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 11, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gesiakob just wanted

to type “mental masturbation”.

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Oct 12, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

like wanting

Mike Vick to be a Bear?

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs

Ouch.

Wrecked.

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Oct 12, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That Was Before He Signed With Somebody....................

Wow, get a clue!

by Gesiakob on Oct 12, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

mindless people dream impossible scenerios

maybe you’re unaware, we had already traded for #6

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by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh Really?

And who is your back up allmighty smart person? Do Q.B’s ever get hurt in the NFL? Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

by Gesiakob on Oct 13, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hanie over vick, at least from what i’ve seen this year, Hanie did fine in preseason, Vick has what, 8 yds passing?

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by BearNecessities on Oct 13, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hanie Over Vick?

I am just overwhelmed by the intelligent conversation here. I’m speechless. You’re right of course.

by Gesiakob on Oct 13, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's nuts.

The only advantage Hanie has over Vick is his familiarity with the system. Vick is a different style QB, but he has proven he can be a game changer at the position. Hanie is not better than Vick, and it’s not even close.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 14, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha come on

Vick is a better Qb then Hanie is. While Vick’s stats in the regular season are next to nothing, it is in fact better then nothing, which is what Hanie has accumulated.

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes, but

if we lost Cutler, our season would be over basically, regardless if it was Hanie of Vick, so why not stick with what we had, cause vick, much like edwards, would cost us draft picks

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 15, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh well ya

Now there would be no point in trading for him. I was talking in regards to you guys picking him up earlier in the offseason. I dunno if I would say your season is over. The guy gets criticized a lot but the bottom line is he finds a way to win. And he found a way to win with Jenkins and Finneran as his #1 and #2 targets. He really had no skill around him on offense. With Forte, Hester, Knox, Olsen, and Clark, plus Vick, that would be a scary explosive offense. But that likely won’t ever happy and you guys are more then fine with Cutler at the helm.

by packallday555 on Oct 16, 2009 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good question ...

Can’t believe the Homers on here that think we’re good to go at wide receiver. Knox is promising but still needs to learn a lot. Bennett lacks toughness and isn’t exactly a physical presence. Olsen can’t catch or block and also seems to lack toughness. We still need a big receiver to replace Brandon Rideau. Braylon Edwards went for what ? A second round pick ? After missing out on Boldin AND Marshall we should have made a move for Edwards ….

by Irish Bears Fan on Oct 12, 2009 4:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

well that makes

2 of you, that wanted Edwards. replace Rideau? he never even stepped on the field for a real game catch.

Marshall would be the best, but he has problems too, Boldin we didnt have the firepower for, and our Receivers have worked out fine, thats the point, we don’t “need” Randy Moss, our “average” which seems to be the commonplace word for “unknown” receivers, have done just fine, if not better.

some people are just chasing after the name. Edwards had 1 year. all his talent and potential, have translated into no playoffs, dropped passes, and off the field incidents.
If he does well in NY, i’ll eat my words, but he’s not proven by any stretch.

So you can’t judge Bennett or Hester or Knox yet…because they aren’t proven either, just because you heard of Edwards out of college, doesn’t make him better than our guys.

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by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Q

I would give up any of our WRs and draft picks for Boldin. He is tough as hell. Cutler is tough as hell. I think they would be on the same page.

Honestly I think the Bears will go after him in the off season no matter how this season turns out.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edwards went for

a 3rd and a 5th and two players if I’m not mistaken.Kind of a lot for butter fingers mcgee.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 12, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We still need a big receiver to replace Brandon Rideau

I’m sure we can find some one tall to stand on the side line or practice squad.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hahaha +1

by packallday555 on Oct 12, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol +2

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Knox

I just want to make sure no one on this page gets too Knox crazy. We see he is FAST. We see he is developing great awareness (see SEA touchdown). We see he can be clutch (see PIT touchdown). And we see he is versatile (see DET return touchdown). Personally, I don’t see him as the ANSWER at the position though. He is a weapon, but not a go-to if that makes any sense. I trust Olsen, Hester, and Bennett over Knox on 3rd downs.

Our WRs are playing above average and they will not hinder our success in this league (our secondary will). I have liked how Cutler has spread the targest around to all WRs, RBs, and TEs. A WR like Edwards, Boldin, Marshall, individually requires at least 50% of the targets otherwise they tend to get hot headed.

Edwards is in the third tier of WRs in this league. He hasn’t proven anything. Hester has shown improvement year after year. Edwards had one year of improvement then his numbers declined. He isn’t elite and we will see this on the Jets. Remember last year when the Cowboys traded for Roy E. Williams??? He still hasn’t produced. Changing playbooks for a young (unintelligent) WR is difficult.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 9:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

“I just want to make sure no one on this page gets too Knox crazy. We see he is FAST. We see he is developing great awareness (see SEA touchdown). We see he can be clutch (see PIT touchdown). And we see he is versatile (see DET return touchdown). Personally, I don’t see him as the ANSWER at the position though.”

Haha so the guy has shown promise in every aspect you consider to be important for a WR but he isn’t the answer? He is a rookie! From a subdivision championship school. He really shouldn’t have had any effect thus far. Speed kills in this league. You can’t teach it. You can teach routes though, and the playbook. Once he gets better in both of these aspects he will be a ton better, just like Hester.

It’s good to have an offense that spreads the ball around. It makes the team more difficult to prepare for. If you have a QB that can go through his progressions and find the open guy that can make a world of difference, and Cutler can and has been doing that.

I agree with your 3rd paragraph. Why trade 2 players, and 2 draft picks for a player who has been declining rather then improving?

by packallday555 on Oct 12, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It has been 4 games!!! I am not going crazy over such a small sample size. The ANSWER will be consistency. Rex Grossman played unbelievable for the first 5 weeks of our SB season. I just don’t think we should be like “We have Knox, all of our WR ‘issues’ are answered.” He has played well and if he keeps it up will be valuable for years to come, but in reality he is never going to be a Megatron, Moss, Andre, etc.

For right now I am more than pleased with what he has shown especially because we didn’t see it in the pre-season too much. I just don’t want to get over confident from a few weeks of solid contribution? Make sense? Maybe I am being too tough on my own team but I want to see him continue to improve. And I think it is way too early to be like “We have a #1 WR: Johnny Knox”. C’mon now.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Considering your statement...

We are all homers and rubes on this site, I wonder, tempchad, what that makes you? Let’s scrutinize some of your incredibly intelligent statements here in an effort to find out, shall we?

tempchad said:

our receivers are totally average. AT BEST. hester will never be a number 1 i doubt knox will either. they are both good #2s.

beardown34 says: Wow, after a career that spans all of 4 NFL games played(for Knox and Bennett,though he is actually in his 2nd year) and a receiver converted to the position at the PRO level, who is in his 3rd year, your expert analysis has deduced that these 3 are/will be totally average. AT BEST. Tell me , tempchad, which NFL franchise are you a talent evaluator for?Oh, and could you post Edwards career numbers for statistical comparison,please?

tempchad said:

dude, the patriots are the model of a well run franchise. the fact that they haven’t won a super bowl since moss’ arrival is a coincidence.

beardown34 says: I wonder if its also coincidence that this “well run, model franchise” hasn’t enjoyed the level of success since they were found to be CHEATERS than they did prior to being found out?

tempchad said:

shut up and go away pack fan i know these bears well and we have average talent at wide receiver

This is your intelligent,insightful,fact filled response to a poster,and fan of our fiercest rival(packallday555) who comes here to give us props on our WR production while disputing your claims of mediocrity? Classy

tempchad said:

they guy with the best stats gives you the best chance to win

beardown34 says:Here’s a hypothetical scenario for you. Jim McMahon meets Dan Marino——
McMahon: “Hi I’m Jim McMahon, Superbowl XX champion”
Marino: “Hi I’m Dan Marino, I never won a Superbowl”

I’ll take the one Superbowl win over a career full of inflated stats and Championship disappointment any day,dude.

tempchad said:

i crap better football knowledge every morning that i have seen here

beardown34 says: This is a real gem here.Apparently your a legend in your own mind and the rest of us merely inferior subordinates who should bow down to your presence and follow your directive without question. Well I got sobering news for you buddy, there are a whole bunch of posters here who’s football knowledge/intelligence far exceeds yours. I could name names but that list would take quite awhile,since its a long one.

In closing, I’ll offer this. Tempchad, take your hard on for Braylon(helmet tip:PSDB) lovin man crush over to the New York Jets blog site(since thats who your boy is playing for now) and sign up to become a TOOL/member/fan of that ball club. I’m confident they could use another clown for the 3 ring (media) circus they’ve got going on. Until then, I’ll wait on the side while a jury of my peers (Homers and Rubes that you all are,LOL) decides what label we hang on tempchad since tempchad was so kind to hang that one on the rest of us.

"They better get another quarterback cuz we're comin"-#58 Wilber Marshall LB Chicago Bears

by BearDown34 on Oct 12, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

why don't you tell us how you really feel

lol!

but i agree, i’ve seen no stats come out of this, for the argument of saying Edwards is elite. what proof, overall, shows this? Must be his Poise

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so jim mcmahon was a better qb than dan marino?

you are in a small group of people.

i guess brad johnson and trent dilfer are better qbs than Marino too.

move on.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Think Tempchad

Your Football I.Q is being brought into question here. The score is not something I would write home about.

by Gesiakob on Oct 12, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow.

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Oct 12, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL!

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If ever there was a knock out blow..... damn...

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

when gesia questions your IQ, chad

you know you got problems

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by lookingdeadred on Oct 12, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't know who this person is

and i really don’t care.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

one superbowl win better...

yes they are. However I didn’t say that McMahon was a better QB now did I? Let’s put it this way—— At the beginning of every season in the NFL what is the objective of all 32 teams? To have the QB throw 50 TD’s or to win the Superbowl?

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by BearDown34 on Oct 12, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

depends if you are asking the Chad or somebody else

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is so stupid.

i would say the throwing 50 touchdowns gives you a better chance at winning a super bowl.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

unless of course

you are New Enland playing the Giants

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

true. because you don't play the game on paper

that said, which was the better team going in? which team did you think as going to win.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's irrelevant what i thought

because the Giants won, and they were the better team, so all those TDs and 18 wins… don’t matter, all that talent, amounted to the one loss they didnt want

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

they were the better team that day

they were not a better team overall. i hope you can understand the difference.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I apologize...

for the rant BearNecessities. I read the thread her a couple times this morning and it came across as extremely condescending which got my shorts in a bind so to speak and couldnt hold myself back. LOL @ poise by the way, nicely done

"They better get another quarterback cuz we're comin"-#58 Wilber Marshall LB Chicago Bears

by BearDown34 on Oct 12, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

no, no

it was enjoyable and very on point.

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

about poise

Link

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

BN i needed that to lighten up a little bit! appreciate ya

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by BearDown34 on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thought this might be a good place

to drop in this article…

It’s Brad Biggs answering a question about whether the Bears have a true #1 WR. Nice response to that question.

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Oct 12, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Interesting

So how many true No. 1’s are there in the NFL right now? Every man’s list is going to be a little bit different. I’ve always said a good ballpark figure is about a dozen. Who would I put on there as locks right now?

Larry Fitzgerald
Vincent Jackson
Greg Jennings
Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Brandon Marshall
Randy Moss
Chad Ochocinco
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Roddy White

No mention of Braylon Edwards anywhere in the article. So maybe we need to define what #1 means before this convo drones on for another week.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Poise

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

"They better get another quarterback cuz we're comin"-#58 Wilber Marshall LB Chicago Bears

by BearDown34 on Oct 12, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe it's like how Ty rates golfers

Judge Smails: Ty, what did you shoot today?
Ty Webb: Oh, Judge, I don’t keep score.
Judge Smails: Then how do you measure yourself with other golfers?
Ty Webb: By height.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

based on Edwards numbers so far, it could be argued he’s not even a #2 WR.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but you put Edwards

with a QB like Cutler, it’s a lights out passing game.

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Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Oct 12, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

depends on whether Edwards is really as good as hyped

maybe he is not a disgruntled underachiever trapped on a disaster of a team, maybe he just isn’t as good as hyped. Hard to know.

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by lookingdeadred on Oct 12, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm thinking

Sanchez is prolly gonna end up a pretty decent QB, so he should have his shot at developing chemistry this year… no way to know, what we do know though, is regardless of ‘talent’ Edwards is NOT an elite receiver, numbers wise

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by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As long

as he doesn’t have all those mental lapses catching the ball. I don’t think he’s worth what the Jets gave up for him, but we’ll see how he pans out.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't put Ochocinco or

Jennings on that list. I’d rather have Anquan Boldin than either of those guys.
Listen, Edwards isn’t playing as well as any of the guys on that list, but he’s as talented as any ‘em, and if you took all the Bears receivers and morphed them into one super receiver, that guy still wouldn’t be as talented as Edwards.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you all lose me

with all this Talent talk… translate into stats, and wins… and i’ll take that over talent any day.

Good for Edwards, he’s big and runs a fast 40 yd dash, and went in the first round. show me how he helps teams win

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by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's had a bad couple of years,

but he hasn’t been awful by any means, and he still has the same tools that allowed him to put together a sensational season at a very young age, one that measures up with any of the all time great seasons. If you can’t see how that helps a team win, you need to look harder.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Their team didnt win that year

so all that was for naught.

all our receivers are on par for 750+ yds… not too shabby. our WR show the tools to help us win just fine, which is what i see

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll say it again.

Edwards+Cutler= Football orgasm. “If it aint broke don’t fix it” doesn’t work in the NFL. You need to continually progress, and when worst case scenario the guy you traded for only has 900 yards receiving you make that deal. Last year, Edwards had 900 yards on a horse-crap team, he’d have 1300 here with Cutler, and make Knox and Hester even better.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edwards= not worth our draft picks

any way you slice it. he doesnt gel with locker rooms or management. he’d be the next C benson or Tank Johnson and we’d then lose more picks, when we can just go after Boldin or Marshall next year, with absolutely nothing but money

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how do you know this?

“he doesnt gel with locker rooms or management. "

he has only been on one team. and they suck.

he doesn’t have TO’s track record yet.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Winning always make people act right

The guy’s certainly no TO….yet. Still, you don’t think there are enough leaders in the locker rooms to control him? Olin would destroy the guy. Not to mention Jay Sizzle.

But I agree with your latter point. I’d prefer someone that’s already a monster, like Boldin.

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow no...

boldin? wes welker?
jackson? over those 2? id beg to differ
but thats just me

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wes welker is a gimmick

nothing more.

by mike b on Oct 12, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wes welker?

GMAFB

welker would be the #3 on the bears.

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by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A Number #3?

LMAO

by Gesiakob on Oct 13, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

your right, that's not fair to bennett

welker would take Davis spot.

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by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He would be in the slot...

If that makes him a #3, than so be it…

by rdent4hof on Oct 13, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Welker is very good at what he does,

but would he be nearly as effective if Moss wasn’t opening up the underneath stuff? Don’t get me wrong, he’s a very good slot guy, but he’s no stud.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 13, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What?

Of course Moss opens up a lot for him but he is the best slot wr in the league. He is very quick and he runs routes with the best of them.

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

funny how that coincided with his arrival in new england

look at his stats before then. not so great.

he’s a very decent 3rd receiver. nothing more. nothing less

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by tempchad on Oct 14, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think you're pushing it a little.

I agree, Welker isn’t the straw that stirs the Patriots’ drink, but he’s not just a third receiver. Don’t underrate great hands and extremely precise route running. He’s a very good slot guy.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 14, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

slot guy

like i said a very decent 3rd receiver

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 14, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

So you would say he isn’t better then Hester or Knox?

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on man

And that’s too you and mike b. He may technically be a #3 because he would be the slot guy but he would the best wr on the team if he came to your team tommorrow.

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no he wouldn't

dude is a average at best receiver on a a great team with a great qb

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 14, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he woudl have little role

and he couldn’t be a number 1.

by mike b on Oct 14, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

Totally disagree. The guy is good because he has exceptional hands and route running. Of course it helps that the Patriots run 3 wr sets a lot and that his QB is great but he would still be good if he lined up on the outside.

He is Brady’s go to guy, and Moss is on the team. Moss opens things up for him, but he also opens things up for Moss.

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It needs to be said:

Matt Jones > Braylon Edwards

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

You need a brain scan.

Seriously. Opinions, by definition can not be wrong, but yours, most definitely is wrong.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jones vs Edwards

They both went in Round 1, both run a good 40, both are tall, both have off the filed problems, one happens to have had 1 great year, the other was steadily improving.

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

field

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, Edwards chanced his way into a freakin sensational year.

And you’re gonna compare a punch in the face to cocaine addict?

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i dont see your point

you are basing this ridiculous argument on talent… I’m not a lawyer, but i’m pretty sure assault is also a felony

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah, I just think that

the chances of Edwards missing games for off-field issues and Jones missing games for off-field issues are much different, as Edwards doesn’t have a history as extensive as Jones’s.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

again

somebody show me stats, wins, numbers… his “talent” has amounted to one season of great numbers… far from a consistent pro-bowler, or hall of fame career.
thats the argument here isn’t it, if he is a number 1, and why the bears didnt pursue him?
He simply doesnt give us the best chance to win

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Last year was no awful season.

How can you say he doesn’t give you the best chance to win? Do you even watch the Browns play? I spent a couple of months at Kent State in 07 and what I saw from Braylon was more than enough to convince me he is good enough to be a top 5-10 WR in this league.
His performance last season wasn’t unreal, but context matters. Scout the talent. 2007: 16 TD’s, 1300 yards, 16.1 per catch. Last year, 873 yards 3 TD’s, 15.9 per catch. His talent is still there, as per catch he was putting up the same numbers. Last year he had the bad version of Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn, Ken Dorsey and Bruce Gradkowski throwing passes his way, none of which rated higher than 66 or completed more than 50 percent of the passes. And he was still only 127 yards from 1000. He’d instantly be the best Bears receiver of my lifetime.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Assault is not always a felony

it can be… it comes down to who you assulted an how you did it. Your standard fight more often than not would be a misdemeanor charge. Of course you have to throw in state laws and all that.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dakoose

A. It was a joke.
B. Look at their production last year. I think somebody stated it up above but:

Jones: 65 receptions for 761 yards and 2 TDs (12 games)
Edwards: 55 receptions for 873 yards and 3 TDs (16 games)

If you are going to go off of “talent”, Jones is considered a FREAK because of his combo of size and speed. Why do you think he was a QB in college but drafted as a WR in the FIRST ROUND? Because his talent and potential is immense. So therefore, what is the difference between Edwards and Jones? None!

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

talent wise, who’s better? that’s why i dont follow this argument. what does Jones cost us? the veteran minimum? what does braylon cost us? draft picks, I would pick Jones… oh wait, real world… we won’t get either of them, because our WR are fine

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not good enough

we have an elite qb and we must get an elite wr.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

whats the difference

we won 3 games, winning is winning. we dont need anything elite, except for corners and safeties

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, then, this team should win the super bowl i guess

no reason to improve

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We don't need anything elite?

I could some elite O-lineman. Even a WR.

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the point

being, we have more pressing needs, than a potentially elite WR

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's probably true

I can agree.

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

still irrelevant

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you speak English?

You keep saying elite WR and we keep giving stats, facts, data, surprisingly no pictures that indicate Edwards has not been an elite WR in the NFL. You may think he is going to be, but he hasn’t been one yet and the majority of us do not think he is one.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you have proven nothing

facts/stats whatever. the dude played on a crap team.

look at randy moss stats with the raiders.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, look at Andre Johnson with the Texans. Texans have never had more than 8 wins. He has also produced. An elite WR shines whether the team is bad or not. Moss is an elite WR with a problem focusing…much like Edwards

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok. and that will be cured

when he’s on a good team.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So he only tries hard when he is on a good team? Just the kind of WR I want on my team. He doesn’t try unless we are good.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't care about that

i’ll take randy moss everyday

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So now Edwards is as good as Randy Moss?

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dude, he's better

he’s the best receiver in the league, we should have traded cutler for him… god

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

a post like this serves no purpose

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

much like the 20 or so

you’ve failed to show any of us, proof of why he’s Elite

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

again, no need

that is not the crux of my argument

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did you know Edwards is already in the Hall of Fame? He is THAT GOOD!

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I heard!

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no. the same type of player

on who may not be a great teammate and may quit if the team is bad.

fine by me

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quitters are fine by you? Can you root for the Vikings please?

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

America! Love it or leave it!!!!

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gross.

.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 12, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that is the point above

either i have to love the bears as is or be a viking fan

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So you do believe Matt Jones is better?

Or is it a joke, as you said before you went on to defend that “joke.” Jones is a nice receiver, but he doesn’t have the tools Edwards has. Edwards had more TD’s in 2007 than Jones has his entire career! Stop just looking at numbers and wins. Yes, wins matter more, but you don’t evaluate a player by team stats. Who is the better receiver from this point forwards? Edwards is far better than any Bear receiver and loads better than Jones.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is a joke only because when the name Matt Jones comes up everyone thinks back to offseason when free agent WRs were talked about non-stop.

Edwards has played WR for longer than Matt Jones. Matt Jones improvement in 3 years is more impressive than one good season by Edwards and a lot of drops in his other seasons. If Matt Jones played the position as long as Edwards, IMO he would be more useful to any team. I am trying to find the details but I believe Edwards averaged 1 drop or more per game last year. That is not #1 WR material. I am not advocating that either would be a good move by the Bears.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Remember this thread,

so you can feel dumb when the Sanchez-Edwards connection feasts on AFC defenses for the next decade. Edwards supposedly horrible 2008: 55 for 873, 3 TD’s and 15.9 Y/C.
Jones’ Best: 65 for 761, 2 TD’s and 11.7 Y/C.
Edwards has three seasons with 870+ yards, Jones has one year with 761 and another with 643. Jones never has had a reception of more than 49 yards. Edwards has three of 75 or more and four of 70 or more.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Just like Roy Williams and Tony Romo are going to be dynamite this year.

You cannot list Jones stats because he was learning the position. He wasn’t supposed to be a Pro Bowl WR since he was a QB in college. Do I need to repeat that a 5th time? Edwards was a WR in college and still struggled to adapt to the NFL. Jones has done pretty well adapting to a new position given a few years…just like we are giving Hester a few years. Edwards in a few years hasn’t established himself. After 07 teams were afraid of him, but that quickly disappeared.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

SO you're telling me that the Jags

drafted Jones in the first round to be a second or third wide receiver, not a pro bowler? It’s the NFL, there aren’t bonus points for effort. Nobody gives a damn that he has a tougher job than anyone else because he was a QB. It’s about who is better now and who will be better in the future. Edwards hasn’t struggled in the NFL. In his last three seasons he’s had two solid campaigns and one phenominal one. And his impact in NY has been immediate.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and where is matt jones playing right now?

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where is Braylon Edwards playing this season? Oh, you mean he isn’t injured? I thought maybe he was injured because he had a whopping 10 receptions through 4 games (2.5 receptions a game really worth 4 players??) The Bears, who don’t have a #1 WR, have 5 players with 10+ receptions through 4 games.

Edwards would be an elite WR….in the UFL.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

Edwards would be an elite WR….in the UFL.

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You have to factor QB's

Even with drops, Braylon would look solid with JC.

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we have no idea

how Edwards would look 5 games into the season with no knowledge of the playbook

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, sure

That’s a different argument, though. Comparing Knox and Edwards straight up, however, is kind of a faulty comparison.

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

im not comparing knox

i’m saying we don’t need Edwards, for draft picks

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, but you see the post I was replying to?

That one was comparing the two. You added your post to that.

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No one looks solid with drops. It is embarrassing.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like the rhetoric

But it doesn’t change the point.

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

your post means nothing

matt jones doesn’t have a job right now

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you were anywhere close to management of a football team, you wouldn’t have a job right now either.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

keep the personal attacks coming

when matt jones has a job call me.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn’t a personal attack. Do you think the Jets GM is gonna be in hot water after this season? Last year Favre, this year Edwards. He doesn’t have a good track record. Rex Ryan and the D is really saving him

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually no

i think the gm is doing fine. he screwed up by not putting favre on the dl.

they are 3 – 1, right? and have great looking young qb

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Long season ahead. Long season.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a long season for every team.

NY went out and gave up nothing for a great athlete w/ a ton of upside and potential. Great looking D and a rookie qb who now has two bad ass receivers and a young talented te at his disposal. I think the GM is probably sittin somewhere smiling right now.

"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."

by Acreman20 on Oct 12, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That GM has pit together a helluva team.

Good RB’s, outstanding offensive line, good special teams, great defensive players. That GM is as responsible for the success as Ryan is.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but the

FACT remains, their stats show, they were about the same last year… facts/stats

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

who is wanted in the nfl and who isn't?

perhaps actual gms can help you out here

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Our actual

GM didnt trade for Edwards

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i know. but he has yet to sign matt jones

and braylon edwards has a job. matt jones doesn’t.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

gotcha

so thats why you want him, he’s employed

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no. i am showing that nfl gms think like me

they don’t think like the people here.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

The end.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 12, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kudos to Edwards? I just proved how Edwards and Jones are similar in off-field problems and success in the NFL. And now you are indicating Jones is no good, but he had better stats on a crap team last year? In 12 games? While high (maybe)?

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

again, call me when jones has a job.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

again

make a case showing he’s elite

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't need to. it's not the crux of my argument

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to be a douche.

But isn’t it?

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 12, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no. my argument is:

Braylon Edwards is better than any WR on the bears.

it is my belief that with a qb like cutler he will put up unreal numbers

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You have said we SHOULD trade for him because he is ELITE multiple times.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no. my argument is above

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pick one horribly defended argument and stick with it. Edwards < Jones

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

one has a job

and it’s not horribly defended.

no question that braylon edwards is better than anyone the bears have

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So now you are making fun of the unemployed? Real classy.

You cannot say Edwards is “better” without providing evidence of such. We all provided evidence of how he wasn’t worth it.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4555330

He may be employed soon. What is your new position?

by brands735 on Oct 13, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow, he may be employed soon

gms just be falling all over themselves to get to him.

and to a real contender too!

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

come on chad!

he has been playing great! ………..for his community touch football league hes been crushing the rocks i mean the competition lol

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only reason I don't think Braylon Edwards is worth it now

is because our WR is so young now. With Edwards, you’ll have to get him to learn how to hold onto the ball. I don’t think need a project right now.

But really, what’s with this infatuation with Matt Jones?

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

people here love mediocre players

and white wide receivers.

i’ll bet they love Ryan Theriot too.

Ohhh, and David Eckstein.

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aaron Rowand

Remember that infatuation? B&B used to have a field day with those callers.

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and white wide receivers.

What does the color of a receiver have to do with anything?

I actually admire your passion as far as this conversation has gone but you start with crap like that and you aren’t going to hold much water around here.

i think why people would prefer Jones to Edwards is that Jones would come much cheaper than Edwards would’ve. According to stats they have been similarly successful so I think that’s why most people would want Jones.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

I think he might have gotten it from B&B

They have this thing where they make fun of the “grindy” players who are usually called that because they lack talent but hustle. And they point out that they happen to always be white.

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i am not going to re-hash that argument

that post was a joke (at least the white wr part)

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Add :) to a joke comes across better than way.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'll be dead and buried before i use an emoticon

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Than don't expect everyone to know when you are joking.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't

however, long standing members of this board do.

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

I’ve been a member just about as long as you have so I guess that’s on me.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how long you been here?

since 2005?

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sep 08

your profile says april 08 so if that isn’t accurate again my fault.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's when it crossed over to the current state of ownership (or whatever)

to sbnation.

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

k

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're a couple year behind to be able to

get that reference. big topic here back in the day. but there’s a reason chicago fans like “scrappy” players.

by mike b on Oct 12, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

now this guy ^^ is old school

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or maybe they just don't like

underachieving head cases as much as you do.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 12, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

like Matt Jones?

no i don’t think so.

i think that people here vastly overrate their team.

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and some vastly overrate certain players

like Braylon Edwards

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by lookingdeadred on Oct 13, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

which i have not done

he’s just better than what we have.

i think, he will develop into a true elite wr

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by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edwards

Is good. He has a great skill set. Could he turn into an elite wr? Sure, but that has always been expected of him. He was the 3rd overall pick of his draft class.

Based off of what I saw last night it looks like he could very well turn into a elite wr. He excelled last night, and it was in a system he is likely not very familiar with yet.

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and i agree with everything you just said

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 14, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually during the broadcast they said he was already quite familiar with the system.

Not to different from the one he was in.

by Syndor on Oct 14, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My mistake then

by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He Didn't Look Over Rated Last Night?

Are you sure your football I.Q is up to standard with the other smart people today lookingdeadred?

by Gesiakob on Oct 13, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"I don't think the BEARS need a project right now"

Wow, what a poorly written post.

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Infatuation with Matt Jones is 1.) funny because he has been one of the more popular topics on this board along with Plax Burress and 2.) overall a good comparison. See above. We are talking about “TALENT” and “POTENTIAL” instead of facts for 200+ comments.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I keep asking for something

to be used stat wise, but all i hear is talent and potential… and i added poise

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by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What's so difficult to understand?

He had a an UNREAL 2007, followed by a so-so 2008 catching passes from 4 awful QB’s. Why is it so hard to believe that a 26 year old can bounce back from a down year, one which would have been better than any Bear WR’s that same year?

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Catching passes from 4 awful QB’s? Don’t you mean dropping passes from 4 awful QBs?

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How clever.

Did it take you two hours to come up with that one. Yeah, he drops passes, we all know that. Nice to see you caught on.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

Excellent

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 15, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

excellent?

you draw a very low bar

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by tempchad on Oct 15, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Enough wide receiver talk

OUR PROBLEM IS THE O LINE!!!!! NOT IF WE HAVE A “#1” WIDE OUT!!!!!!

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Eh

I say secondary

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

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by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd like the O-line upgraded, myself

I’d prefer my QB not hit and chased around half the game.

by jake1823 on Oct 12, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

True

But if our secondary could stop anyone, we would be running the ball the whole second half and Jay would be safe.

by brands735 on Oct 12, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah them too.

I was more going for our problems offensively.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In case you missed

apparently all our problems would be solved by aquiring Edwards at any cost ;)

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by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No I heard

I’m just not going to talk about it anymore. He’s a Jet so it doesn’t matter.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good call, see you on the other boards

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by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nobody said that.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Oct 12, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good gawd

Glad I stayed out of this one.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Smart move

Any thread where chad is the center of attention cannot be a good one.

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by lookingdeadred on Oct 12, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

email me when you are in the middle of an interesting thread

(that i’m not already a part of)

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm curious

Since you stated " I crap more football knowledge every morning than there is on this site" why do you even bother to come here, create posts, and participate in threads?

"They better get another quarterback cuz we're comin"-#58 Wilber Marshall LB Chicago Bears

by BearDown34 on Oct 12, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that question is for you tempchad in case there was any confusion on your part

"They better get another quarterback cuz we're comin"-#58 Wilber Marshall LB Chicago Bears

by BearDown34 on Oct 12, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chad, are you ruining this house again?

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

apparently

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seems like a straight-forward argument to me

Keep on keepin on, old man.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Oct 12, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is a different place

to bleedcubbieblue for me.

but i am a founding member, so i’ll stick around.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ill give you some credit

edwards has been playing like he can tonight great poise and his playing with fire hopefully he continues this way

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and that won't count as a td in the stats

but it could have been.

the guy is a beast.

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

its a td to me hes proven he can catch and be a playmaker

but we all know that all of our back and forth is not on his talent(not me atleast) but hes consistency he looks revitalized with sanchez lets see them keep it up!( i mean the coach is buddys son!)

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 12, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe we'll get him next year

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by tempchad on Oct 12, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tis true

I mean, I agree with the overall premise of your argument. That said, here’s a counterargument:

With Jay Cutler in place, our window to win is wide open for at least the next 5 years. Because we know that we have an excellent QB, we don’t necessarily need to jump on the first WR, S, OL, etc. that’s available. We do have the luxury of waiting until the offseason/draft.

^ That make sense to me – at the same time, it woulda been nice to see Braylon as a Bear.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Oct 13, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and another well reasoned argument

to which i would say, short of brandon marshall, there won’t be a better option soon.

larry fitzgerald aint coming to chicago.

I was told that I ruined this house with my anger

by tempchad on Oct 13, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I would agree with that.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Oct 13, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you are one insecure little man aren't you

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by lookingdeadred on Oct 13, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok awaiting your answer

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by BearDown34 on Oct 12, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

wow

blog stalking is very cool.

by mike b on Oct 12, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

are you tempchad?

"They better get another quarterback cuz we're comin"-#58 Wilber Marshall LB Chicago Bears

by BearDown34 on Oct 12, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't bother with a reply

I already have my answer

"They better get another quarterback cuz we're comin"-#58 Wilber Marshall LB Chicago Bears

by BearDown34 on Oct 12, 2009 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

What If We Had Signed Terrell Owens And Edwards?

What then?

by Gesiakob on Oct 12, 2009 11:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Dude, Rumor Central on ESPN has Andy Schefter saying we should go after T.O. since the Bills are going to want to dump him soon. NO WAY. Please no T.O.

by brands735 on Oct 13, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shut this one down before we all go insane from pointless arguing

Everyone has their own opinions and won’t be swayed no matter what stats are used for what reason

Tempchad and a few others would have wanted Edwards because he is a “better” WR than what we have based on 2007 and “potential”

Damn near everyone else didn’t want him because we already have one WR that drops passes, and we don’t need a dramatic WR with a crappy attitude and questionable work ethic in a city where our athletes have crosshairs on their back when they don’t preform..

400+ comments summed up in one post…

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