The Bears Den - 11/12/09
by ChiFan13 on Nov 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST
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....where we're hoping all pants stay on during tonight's game.
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Vernon Davis ripped the Bears' D. Day late and a dollar short, Larry.
Jerry Angelo's weekly Q&A with PR spinmaster Larry Mayer.
Chicago Now
Adewale Ogunleye wants us all to play a game of Jeopardy. Don't miss this article.
The 49ers could have had Lance Briggs.
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Can the Bears' secondary contain Vernon Davis?
Steve Rosenbloom: Which coach has Ted Phillips been watching?
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Five questions with Mike Mulligan.
The Bears' D needs to understand its core problem.
John Mullin: Mike Singletary has a lot of passion.
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Mike Singletary isn't the answer for the Bears. Thanks for that tidbit.
Mike Singletary: I'll always love the Bears.
ESPN
For the 49ers, it all starts with Frank Gore.
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Wale's really making it difficult
to prep for the separation that’s inevitably gonna happen at the end of the year. The prince is just too flippin’ like-able, even if he’s absent on the field the majority of the time.
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I agree
he tells it like it is
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 12, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Too bad his production doesn't match his personality
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
the imren article
is way off the mark. bears fans would turn on any coach if he sucked. they fired ditka.
Congrats Daddy D
Devin Jr lol, “The Windy City Crier”
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
Gotta respect Wale
He’s always down to earth in his blog posts. It’s good to get perspective that isn’t just an official press release.
Money lost Keeping Lovie or Firing Him
Lovie was brought to Chicago to restore the defensive tradition that old fans love, which is foolish in my opinion. His defense was special and the Tampa 2 had significant credibility when he was hire. Now his defense is not close to being special. Maybe, special in a negative term like sugar to regurgitation from the human bowels. Nevertheless, his specialty is not bring quality returns for the Bears, which is money being waste, if you keep him or not. Especially, since Angelo will still be around spending on free agents and picking dead bodies out of the draft. Fans in Chicago will soon turn off the Bears, no national coverage, stadium, concession revenue and outside endorsement will be less with an inferior club.
That'll never happen
I know I have, and I’m sure almost everyone else here as suffered through countless miserable seasons while loving the Bears. Fair-weather fans need not apply, those of us that bleed orange and blue know that things can, and have, been worse.
Soldier Field will always be sold out. Maybe we won’t have all the Mondays and late Sundays, but since we traditionally suck there anyway, I don’t mind.
I do agree that the chances to rebuild this defense are almost nothing. There is no draft hope for the next year, and not much in the way of free agency. I think Lovie’s scheme works well with the right talent, but finding that talent in a young enough, durable enough and cheap enough package is just unlikely.
Doesn’t matter who the coach is, if Angelo retains all the control his contract gives him, this is what we’ve got.
Free Agent Clase is promising
Free Agent Clase is promising If they give Smith another chance to ‘right the ship’ and Angelo plug the holes on this team through free agency. At worst Lovie will come back and go 9-7 and finish his contract because of what seem to be a improved record. The offense is not too far off, which will be the driving force to a better record. But there’s tools to reload in free agency for both side of the ball.
Ronnie Brown (RB)
Lendale White (RB)
Chester Taylor (RB)
Brandon Marshall (WR)
Leon Washington (RB)
Darren Sproles (RB)
Braylon Edwards (restricted) (WR)
Vincent Jackson (WR)
Terrell Owens (WR)
Antonio Bryant (WR)
Chris Chambers (WR)
Jahri Evans (G)
Logan Mankins (G)
Marcus McNeill (T)
Jared Gaither (T)
Julius Peppers (DE)
Elvis Dumervil (DE)
Aaron Kampman (DE)
Vince Wilfork (DT)
Richard Seymour (DT)
Casey Hampton (DT)
Ryan Pickett (DT)
Johnny Jolly (DT)
Steve Breaston (WR)
Kevin Walter (WR)
Miles Austin (WR)
Carlos Rogers (DB)
Dunta Robinson (DB)
Richard Marshall (DB)
Marlin Jackson (DB)
O.J. Atogwe (S)
Nick Collins (S)
Atari Bigby (S)
Big Problem
There’s no telling what’s going to happen with the CBA next year. If it’s going to be an uncapped year next year, then each team gets 2 franchise tags to play with. I’m going to go out on a limb and say 90% of the players on that list that the Bears will target will be either re-signed or offered the franchise tag by their respective teams. Either way, they will still be under team control next year.
Bears have a rough road ahead of them to rebuilding this defense. Bears will most likely go 8-8 or under this year and that will send probably a Top 15 pick to the Broncos and an early 2nd to the Bucs. I don’t mind the Broncos getting the pick but that Gaines Adams trade looked stupid to me at first and now it pisses me off.
Awfully generous on the record..
I would say the we’ll go 6-10 this year. But I agree with everything else you said.
I was talking to a buddy about this yesterday. What about trading Iglesias during the offseason for a draft pick? He’s obviously not going to get much playing time behind Hester, Bennett and Knox.
by boondock_saint812 on Nov 12, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
That's an interesting thought...
What do you think we could get for him?
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
3rd or 4th rounder is my guess. Anything would help at this point with no 1 or 2.
by boondock_saint812 on Nov 12, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
I doubt that...
A 3rd or 4th for a former 3rd rounder who showed nothing in his first year, I’m feeling a 6th or 7th
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
Retain WR core
The Bears need to keep as many young talented players as possible. Especially at WR. Angelo needs to reevaluate his crop of veterans and trade them for picks. Some of these guys aren’t worth the Big contracts they signed before the season. Harris can definitely be trade for a 2nd or 3rd. But without youth coming in next year and the failure picking players in the draft for consecutive years. Angelo and Lovie need to be sure their young players are trash or treasures.
If some team
offered a 2nd for Harris, we would have to jump on it. Don’t think it will happen, his injury history and decline are too well documented. I would be surprised if we could get a 4th round pick for him at this point.
Hopefully he will turn it around for the second half of the season and prove me wrong.
And the fact he doesn't fit many defensive systems
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
GOOD Point
But some GM will think he’s smarter than Angelo or straved for talent and will take a shot.
Call me crazy
but I think he might fit pretty well in a 3-4 scheme as a DE. He has the necessary size to play DE in the 3-4 and he can rush the passer(well he used to be able to). Normally, the DE in the 3-4 is a big body run stopper that can also get after the QB. I think Harris could probably have some success in that scheme. This is all on the basis that he actually still cares about playing football.
Think he
still has the motor for that? I could see it a few years ago, but I am having a hard time seeing it now.
Yeah
I tried to hint to that without saying it. If he did still have the motor though, I don’t think we’d be talking about trading him, huh? :)
True about the trading,
I do think it would help him a little to be on the outside, Instead of getting double teamed by two down linemen, it would more likely be the tackle and a back or TE.
That might help him a little, but he would have further to go to get to the QB.
The problem
is whether or not he can hold up at the POA like DEs have to in the 3-4. He doesn’t have the bulk/strength to fit that description….his skill-set is getting upfield and disrupting in the backfield.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
Record
Well I said 8-8 or under so that leaves a lot open to interpretation. When I was writing this, I was thinking more 6-10 than 8-8 so I agree with you. If that’s the case, it will be a Top 10 pick and that’s just sickening to think about.
Problem with trading Iglesias is the Bears will not get a 3rd for him and probably not a 4th. Why would they? 5th is most likely and why would the Bears give up on him already? If he were seeing the field and producing, then yeah they could probably get a 3rd but that’s not happening.
This is the first time in my life that I’m more worried the Defense than the Offense.
Bears are in trouble!!
Bad trade.
Angelo could’ve stopped a Cutler. The City praised him for the pickup. Cutler do to his proformance, trading two 1s made sense. But to give away a 2nd rd with no 1st for a guy who hadn’t lived up to the 4th overall select is stupidity and thinking your smarter than everyone else.
Now if that 2nd was a productive young OL man or Boldin or Braylon Edwards Yes. I couldn’t argue with the logic.
CBA
The CBA would cause problems for multiple teams looking to improve their clubs. And with or without CBA issues, the franchise tags will always be a factor. But that’s all "IF’ scenario. Some clubs would have to decide if a guy is worth being paid top 5 players at the his position money, and maybe one of the team’s other players deserve the tag more than the another. I don’t think 90% of the guys on my list are franchise tag worthy. However, regardless of the entire ‘IF’ scenarios, the Bears can fix this mess in the offseason, if they choose to and IF they want to win. We don’t need stars at every position, but solid guys to replace sorry players.
strong draft and a strong FA pool..
but we have no high draft picks and half that pool may vanish if the CBA doesn’t get set up..lets hope they get it fixed and we can dump off some questionable talent for some higher picks.
Delusional
IMO, Angelo is delusional when he says they are identifying and fixing their problems. Both lines need to be motivated and inspired and the defense lost that when Urlacher got hurt. Somebody needs to provide leadership.
Prepare yourselves, The Niners are prescribing an ass whoopin.
"You thought you could beat my team, but yours decided to go have ice cream. Bow to my awesomeness" Brad Childress
Thanks.
And we have a prescription for trolling.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
TV
Sorry if this has been asked already, but is there anyway for me to watch the game in Chicago other than going to a bar if I don’t have NFL Network?
That seems like too many letters.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
Sorry for the confusion
it is WPWR, the D was for HD on my cable box. On my Comcast box it is channel 184 in HD and channel 8 non-HD. I don’t watch a lot of TV but I think that used to be channel 50 in the bunny ear days:)
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