Jerry/ Lovie/ Ron/ Rod/ Bob/ Dave Thread

by Dane Noble on Nov 12, 2009 4:45 PM CST Comment 17 comments

I'm borrowing this idea from the guys over at Niner Nation, so we'll see how it goes.

We all know the chance of the Bears going out and embarrassing themselves tonight are pretty high, and many of us are on the "Fire ________" bandwagon...

So, why not have an open thread to let out our frustrations? This will, hopefully, create an outlet for those of you who might start making new FanPosts halfway through the game about who to fire, how we need to change schemes, etc.

And on the chance that Lovie/ Ron call great games tonight, you can even buck the trend and laud their heroic work!

So, if you are reading this before the game, how will the coaches do?

If you are reading this during the game, how are they doing?

If you are here after the game, how did they do?

End note, please remember to leave the hard language in the Game Thread.

Thanksabunch!

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I'm going to -- at my own peril --

suggest that coaching is not the problem, but personnel. Sure, that might fall a little on Angelo’s shoulders, then, but I think a lot of it is due to variability, unpredictability, and the randomness of injuries in the NFL market for players.

Other than Ron Rivera, the coaching staff, beliefs, and style is not dissimilar to the one that brought this team to the Super Bowl.

by BWoodrum on Nov 12, 2009 5:38 PM CST reply actions

To clarify:

“…a lot of it is due to variability [within a player’s ability, year-to-year], unpredictability [of draft pick’s future success], and the randomness of injuries…”

I just realized it looked like I was blaming it all on injuries, which I’m not. Injuries are a part of it, but things like the failure of Nathan Vasher to develope, the Cedric Benson/Tank Johnson fall-outs, and Grossman’s potential-shattering injuries/skiddishness.

by BWoodrum on Nov 12, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions

Geez, I didn't finish that thought either!

“…injuries/skiddishness [played their roles too].”

Okay, I’m done. I’ve got a headache and I just want to watch the Bears.

by BWoodrum on Nov 12, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions

I'm pretty much on board with you...

Ron T’s hands are tied due to the OL being horrible, and Lovie has no talent in the secondary to work with.

The biggest thing I fault Lovie for is the number of penalties, and the lack of preparation. Both of those things are huge, but scheme-wise, we are okay, he just don’t have the personnel.

Like I’ve said before, Marinelli started us off strong in the pass rush department, but it has disappeared the last few games. He, hopefully, can get that back on track.

Babich has quietly done a good job, considering the injuries he’s had to deal with.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 12, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions

Except

we went to the Super Bowl 100% because of the defense, and since Rivera left the defense has been nowhere near as good as it was that year. Losing Mike Brown and essentially losing Tommie Harris is, I think, a big part of that, but some of it has to be coaching.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Nov 12, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions

I think

that Angelo seems to make many mistakes repeatedly. The one I’ve noticed most is that he insists that FS and SS players are interchangeable, but only seems to draft SS prospects, and they have universally failed for us at FS.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Nov 12, 2009 6:39 PM CST reply actions

OMG Bears coaches SUCK!

ha ha, had to get that out now

by brands735 on Nov 12, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions

Lovie Smith and Ron Turner need to be fired!!!!

Lovie has about as much emotion as a grapefruit and Ron Turner shouldn’t even coach h.s. ball. I am not happy with J.A. either. We can build around Cutler even with his five pick night.

Watch me pull a hat outta this rabbit.

by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Nov 12, 2009 10:58 PM CST reply actions

The coaches...

and JA just have to go. I heard Deion “the moron” Sanders still trying to make the Jay Cutler is a great QB, but not a leader argument again tonight. But this game is the next nail in the coffin of this staff. The players gave their all, but the coaches just didn’t get it done. Lovie’s defense was much better and they kept away from the Cover-Who defense and went to a lot of single safety and man coverage. So, at least Lovie is starting to get that the Tampa-2 doesn’t work well; only about 6 games too late. However, this is the 49ers and they are a terrible passing team. The coaches have to take the fall for this team’s failures.

The big suck ass of the game award goes to Tommie useless Harris. I paid very close attention to the D-line play. Each of Gore’s big runs were right past Tommie. The offensive line is just bad with Pace. His old ass needs to sit and let the team develop for next year. Put Williams and Omiyale at the tackles and get Louis some reps at G and Beekman reps at C. People questioned why I was saying 3 games ago that the team needed to start looking at next year, now can we agree that it’s time. Graham seems to be a better cover corner than Bowman and certainly better than Vasher. Hester is not a #1WR, but he can still play WR. Knox and Aroamshadou need more reps. DA actually gets separation on his routes. Olsen is finally playing well and catching the ball. Manning is not the answer at FS.

When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!

by LostInSTL on Nov 12, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions

I haven't been much of a critic

of Ron T’s play calling but.. That first interception on the goal line.1st and 2nd downs they run the ball,3rd down as a defense,I’m probably going to play pass and there’s two tightends running routes in the endzone bunched together?Yikes.

You're being very Un-Dude right now.

by IslandBoodler87 on Nov 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST reply actions

Next years OC

should be Charlie Weis. Dude doesn’t recruit well, but I still believe he knows offense… He excelled in New England with light offensive talent (other than Brady).

If he gets canned at ND after the season… I say make it happen Bears!

by rdent4hof on Nov 13, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions

I am too emotional to be rational...

But hear me out…
Lovie needs to go. He has no emotions. He doesnt get mad (see Ditka/Singletary), he doesn’t get happy, he doesn’t DO anything. He calls bad defensive plays, I know that.
I loved Lovie when we got him. Thought he was a classy guy, and still do. I just think Chicago needs a coach that has discipline (see Tommie Harris/Jay Cutler), and isn’t afraid to say what he means. Seriously, if I hear one more press conference on how we will “look at that and make it better” one more time I am going to puke.
Ron Turner Overdrive needs to go too. How many times will his goal line offense fail? Good teams smash the ball into the face of the defense on the goal line. We just call the half back dive 3 times in a row or throw an INT with 5 TE’s in the back of the endzone. Seriously, there are HS teams out there running better offensive schemes right now.
I know our team is not RICH on talent, but we are too cheap to buy any REAL talent.
Firing Lovie is NOT the overall goal here. But it might be a start to a new regime that has fire and passion like we had with Ditka. We still need talent on our team, and all of our talent is getting OLD.
Last thing… Lance Briggs is the ONLY player on our team that I still have faith in. That guy was an ANIMAL last night! Let’s clone him and let him and Robbie Gould play all 11 spots on the field cause they look like the only guys right now that want to be out there.
Did I say I was emotional? No, I’m just PISSED.

by Bearsguy34 on Nov 13, 2009 12:37 PM CST reply actions