Post-Game Thread: Niners Whooped Us Edition
by Dane Noble on Nov 12, 2009 11:01 PM CST
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Quick stats:
Bears had 43 rushing yards, and 75 penalty yards, while 0-2 in the Red Zone and 5 turnovers.
Cutler ended with 307 passing yards, and 0 TDs/ 5 INTS.
Matt Forte: 161 yards of total offense, but only 2.1 yards/ carry.
Frank Gore ended with 104 yards on the ground, and San Fran only had 1 turnover.
Our OL is pathetic.
And Doc Sports (or whatever user ID you go by these days) only comes around WCG when Cutler struggles.
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I was impressed with how well our defense played
but then again, Alex Smith isn’t very good
by chitownsports25 on Nov 12, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions
Yeah
Loudmouth didn’t put up last night… that’s not what I would call dominating.
Your d-line looked good tonight. And Harris was exploding through the 49ers o-line.
by packallday555 on Nov 12, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Just wanna get this out there...
Jay Cutler may have been the main reason we lost this game, yes, but in no way shape or form is he any part of the problems that this team has. Thank you and Go Bulls.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Nov 12, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Scoring in the red zone
is one of the problems with this team, no? If Cutler took care of the ball in the Red Zone we’d be 6-3 (This game and Atl) pure and simple
Redzone killed us its on Jay
Could help he we can run too.We looked just like Denver last year.Except we dont have ANY competent coaches.Jay is good but we have nothing.both lines suck defense sucks.We dont have a dependable WR and Jay is running for his life.Penalties killed us as well.This game is on Jay.the season is on the GM and coaches.
by T.Moore on Nov 12, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Offencive Coordinator
Is prob worse in the league………..
by SuperBowlXX on Nov 13, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what?
on the 1st redzone pick, we started out at what? four yards out? and the line/forte couldn’t get that on 2 plays? then on third we run a play action (which noone bites on, even the d lineman dropped into coverage) that sends three guys out right and all are completely covered.. great play call.. Yeah cutler should have thrown the ball away, but we got him cause he is the opposite of sexy rexy. believes in his arm but actually can make it most of the time. we knew this when we got him.
Yeah
We could have gotten that in 2 plays.But what was the personnel Clark,olsen,Davis?Why Should have gotten davis to block for a run play.That pick was on Jay but that dumbass play was on turner
cutler's bad on the pick, should've thrown it away
but four yards from the goal and two running plays should have yielded us a TD. not because we are a ‘running team’ but because we are an NFL team. we have to run that in. 1st or 2nd down should have been a forte TD. Cutler shouldnt have been out there on third down to throw the ball. So right, picks on Jay. the lack of a TD is on the line and forte.
or turner
how about, i don’t know, a misdirection? some sort of different look at a running play? maybe put AP in (since he’s a better short yardage back)? and, if you are going to run a pass on 3rd down, don’t call a play action that everyone knows is a fake. nobody bit on that. terrible call from turner. cutler should have thrown it away, but that doesn’t excuse the piss poor play calling up to that point.
by guy incognito on Nov 12, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
If there is anyone
who’s being validated it’s Sexy Rexy. We ran him off for throwing 20 pics in a season and Cutler has 17 after 9 games. Cutler is better but let’s call a spade a spade OK. He sucked tonight and in the ATL game, and in the GB game. Ironically 3 games we would’ve won.
Maybe Cutler just sucks on national television?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
Agreed
playaction only works if you are running the ball well……which we dont. I think we should had went shotgun with 4 wide. spread the defence and if no one is open mabye jay has a chance to run it in. just my opinion
I agree with this partly.
Cutlers problem is decisionmaking, which, in the pantheon of QB problems, is better than most others because it can be fixed, either through playcalling, or the QB improving, or both.
The 40-yard completion to Bennett that got called back, that should make anyone making the Cutler/Grossman/Orton comparison throw themselves off a bridge because they are so stupid.
He sees the pressure coming, fakes the defender into the air, and just stands there cool as a cucumber untilt he defender comes down and gets his feet, then he scrambles forward and makes a awesome throw downfield. Nothing in that entire sequence of events could have been accomplished by Orton or Grossman. They both would’ve panicked and the play would’ve been dead.
Culter will come around.
Lisa needs braces ... DENTAL PLAN
by gafferland on Nov 12, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
To defend Cutler....
it looks like he is the whole offense because honestly he is. Running game doesnt exist and the receivers are cutting routes off and are not in the proper location which have resulted in many of his picks.
Cutler is trying to win these games but i agree sometimes hes got to bite it and either take a sack or throw it away had the game been 10-9 we would be having a different conversations
There was also some bad officiating tonight. Lets be honest some calls should have been made but werent.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Nov 13, 2009 7:36 AM CST up reply actions
Definately enough blame to go around, But
Cutler just can’t go throwing into triple or even quadruple coverage. That’s how you end a game with five picks. Does Jay have the tools to be a top QB? Absolutely. But red-zone interceptions are the worst thing you can do as a QB. The announcers put it in perspective last night when they said, and I quote, “Cutler has 6 int’s in the red-zone in his last 13 games” now it’s 8 inside the 20. Brady has thrown 6 in his career from the red zone. I know you’ve got to have faith in your arm as a quarterback but being smart about the throws seperates the Bradies from the Cutlers.
Bears are a running team
Bears had 43 rushing yards, and 75 penalty yards
Have been a running team for years. So I place much of the blame there.
While Cutler had 5 picks (his fault or not). I still give him some props. 1st year, learning the receivers, and the entire team pretty much place solely on his shoulders. Meanwhile, get that man some ice, he took a beating last night.
And Doc Sports (or whatever user ID you go by these days) only comes around WCG when Cutler struggles.
Strange, huh?
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
probably
a broncos fan in disguise. taking out his frustration on not having him in denver now on us.
not many of us are frustrated to no longer have cutler...
in fact it feels pretty good after last night….
"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.
by Jay Fin Anderson on Nov 13, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Go feel good somewhere else then
Let’s see there’s this magical blog place called MHR, where Bronco fans go to discuss the latest in BRONCO news.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
As was he
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
he was doing the same thing on BCB when the cubs struggled
showing up and being a meathead.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
Ron Turner
never will like him. predictable. we’ve had 3 different QB’s with him and we still look the same offensively.
Good point.
Great point.
We have the best cannon arm in the NFL and still it’s dink and dunk. run run pass. screen.
Turner will be the sacrificial lamb this season. But that’s all we’re gonna get,
Lisa needs braces ... DENTAL PLAN
Huh?
Cutler finally had a little more time this week than usual, and he went down field a few times. He hasn’t usually been able to get a three step drop back without have a lineman in his face right away. What do you want him to do, air every pass out? Have your arguments against Turner, but make them valid.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Nov 12, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
opinions?
MIke martz is not working this year……verry QB friendly, any takers or other coordinators that the bears might fancy?
I think Mike Martz is the last co-ordinator you guys want. He’s pass-happy, which is both good and bad for Cutler because it means that he might put up good stats, but it also means he’s going to get hit. Alot. Especially behind that O-Line. Not to mention Martz supposedly has a complex system. If your WRs are doing a poor job in the current one with routes, I can only imagine Martz’s system would have their heads spinning.
Martz would eliminate Olsen as a receiving TE.
His system does not include the TE very much. See: Vernon Davis
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
We had the same problem denver had last year
Running game sucks defense sucks.he has to do everything alone again.he threw over 600 times that year.How many times has he thrown this year?But yeah Jay’s fault this time.But hes alone no B-Marsh to help him.
common misconception
Denver’s rushing game last year didn’t suck. 3rd in ypc at 4.8 and 12th in rushing yards. They just seemed to have a bunch of injured backs.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Exactly
Plus, Denver’s O-Line was (and is) as good as you could reasonably expect an NFL line to be.
i've said this
on a few of the other game threads, but chicago deserves better teams.
if lovie had any sense, he’d keep Pace out, saying he had an injury, move williams to LT, and omiyale(cross fingers) to RT(still crossing fingers). Pace doesn’t deserve to play anymore he’s destroying his own legacy with the way he plays now
I agree with you %100 about the changes you have stated just too see how they would do.
I think they should mix in some of their other receivers and play Peterson as much as Forte. No doubt that Forte should always be used when it comes to screens.
Watch me pull a hat outta this rabbit.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Nov 12, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
Pace was out the entire 4th quarter with an injury.
They put in shaffer at LT
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by Eaten by Bears on Nov 12, 2009 11:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
they'd screw it up
like they did tonight. i’m still in shock, actually…when you have schaeffer, a RT, and williams, a LT, both in the game at the same time, to put schaeffer at LT and williams at RT is…i don’t know…i lack the words for how stupid it is.
by guy incognito on Nov 12, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
pick one..
apprenticed, benighted, birdbrained, blind to, cretinous, dense, green*, illiterate, imbecilic, in the dark, inexperienced, innocent, insensible, mindless, misinformed, moronic, naive, nescient, oblivious, obtuse, shallow, thick, unconscious, unconversant, uncultivated, uncultured, uneducated, unenlightened, uninformed, uninitiated, unintellectual, unknowledgeable, unlearned, unlettered, unmindful, unread, unschooled, unsuspecting, untaught, untrained, unwitting, witless, brainless, dazed, deficient, dense, dim, doltish, dopey, dull, dumb, dummy*, foolish, futile, gullible, half-baked, half-witted, idiotic, ill-advised, imbecilic, inane, indiscreet, insensate, irrelevant, laughable, loser*, ludicrous, meaningless, mindless, moronic, naive, nonsensical, obtuse, out to lunch, pointless, puerile, rash, senseless, shortsighted, simple, simpleminded, slow, sluggish, stolid, stupefied, thick, thick-headed, trivial, unintelligent, unthinking, witless
Man I need to wake up before I make a comment.
In seriousness though, it’s not like they did any worse out there than the line’s done all year.
I haven't watched the replay
to analyze it more closely, but I thought Schaffer looked alright at LT when he was in there. Besides having to talk to the guard and Olsen on the way up to the line to figure out his assignments, if that’s what he was, in fact, doing.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Nov 12, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
its less about how he looked
than it is an indictment of poor coaching. you put your players in the best position to succeed. if you have a lifer RT and a lifer LT both in the game, and you play them in their unnatural positions, you are doing something terribly terribly wrong.
by guy incognito on Nov 12, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
3rd down play action in the RZ
is absolutely on Turner. There’s really no reason to try to run the ball at the most difficult point on field. Here’s a novel idea, how about play action to Olsen on 1st down?
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
One could argue he did.
Schaffer is our swing tackle. Williams has been playing RT all year. If they did, in fact, play well… who’s to say it didn’t put us in the best position to win. We WERE moving the ball and did have a chance to win!
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Nov 13, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
For me
This was worse than Cincy, because the game was right there the whole time despite how terrible we were playing. The Niners had one less penalty than us, and should have had more. Everything everyone is saying about the Bears being undisciplined, well, the Niners are right there too. They are not good this year.
The Cincy game, at least it was over quick. At least it was clear we were overmatched and out of it. This game, they kept giving you just an inkling of hope that they could get the ugly — yet so, so necessary — win, only to rip your throat out time after time, with penalties, picks, play calls.
Also, with Cincy, we were 3-3. With this, we’re 4-5. As the kids say, dunzo.
Lisa needs braces ... DENTAL PLAN
things will never change
Until we have an intelligent GM, HC, DC and OC, this team will get progressively worse. The best thing that can happen is that Bear fans stop going to home games and the McCaskey’s start losing money. That way they’ll give the team a bit of dignity in the form of intelligent people who can win. But in the end, Da Coach was right, Mike McCaskey is an idiot. But although he was awful tonight, Cutler has been the best player we’ve had this year. Give him a good OL, play caller and a D that takes care of business so he won’t have to force throws, and we’ll be playoff caliber. Despite of what the score, the D still played horribly. Frank Gore was running roughshod over the D and if they had a good qb then it would’ve been over long before that final interception.
by frenchbears113 on Nov 12, 2009 11:16 PM CST reply actions
Coaches are bad...
Time to size up what the Bears have and what the Bears need. On offense, can we all agree that DA is the only WR that gets separation consistently. Knox and Hester are burners and Turner has them running slants for 6 yards. Get these 2 up the field on a few out and ups, flys and post patterns. Use their speed to get separation; but wait you can’t run out and up on 3 step drops with a terrible o-line. The running game is a complete joke. Cutler has to be willing to just throw the ball away more, but at least he’s doing something. Tommie Harris is a waste of a roster spot. All the big Gore runs were right past Tommie “ole” Harris. Graham is better than Bowman. Manning cannot tackle. Wale needs to stay in 2010. Harrison and Adams are the best DT tandem on this team. This team has become gutless and it reflects Lovie’s loss of control. It’s time for Lovie to go.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
I couldn't agree with you more, well put.
Watch me pull a hat outta this rabbit.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Nov 12, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
yes
watched at a bar with no audio, so a little harder to pay attention, but it seemed like he got some good penetration (and not because a lineman missed his assignment and failed to block him, like that near sack last week).
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
That's funny
Because there was literally no audio for nearly the entire first quarter. Which suited me fine, considering Millen was doing the game.
NFLN’s weakest link is their game production. It was absolute Busch League last night.
ha
well i guess i didnt miss anything. the bar was playing music instead
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
The Gore TD was run directly at Harris...
He crashed down inside and Gore ran past him. Harris just took himself out of the play, even though he had made penetration, it was right past the ball carrier. There is some talent on this team still, but the coaches are not scheming for the talent they have. I was honestly impressed with the extensive use of man coverage with the single safety, but I believe that was due more to Bullocks inexperience at SS, than Lovie looking to change his defense to actually defend the opposition rather than just catch them 4-5 yards after they crossed the LOS.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
Sorry this one is on Jay
yes others, mainly the Oline and Hester, had bad games as but Jay made too many bad decisions. He is supposed to be better then that.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Nov 12, 2009 11:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Why the hell
does Turner dunk and dink passes like hes orton.Its on Jay but that 1st pick shouldn’t have happened if he would just run the ball.
Even with five picks, Jay still didnt play as poor as their O-line.
The O-line just down right sucks and coaching is horrible as well right now. Cutler has definitely made some horrible mistakes, but our o-line and coaching staff are worse by far.
Watch me pull a hat outta this rabbit.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Nov 12, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Like i said jay is alone with dumbass coaches.The picks cost us the game.but still
WHO MANY SCREENS DID WE DO?
half of it is on jay, the other half is the coaching
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Moving this to an active thread
Cutlers problem is decisionmaking, which, in the pantheon of QB problems, is better than most others because it can be fixed, either through playcalling, or the QB improving, or both.
The 40-yard completion to Bennett that got called back, that should make anyone making the Cutler/Grossman/Orton comparison throw themselves off a bridge because they are so stupid.
He sees the pressure coming, fakes the defender into the air, and just stands there cool as a cucumber untilt he defender comes down and gets his feet, then he scrambles forward and makes a awesome throw downfield. Nothing in that entire sequence of events could have been accomplished by Orton or Grossman. They both would’ve panicked and the play would’ve been dead.
Culter will come around.
Lisa needs braces ... DENTAL PLAN
The Niners Whooped us?
I disagree the Bears whooped themselves.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 12, 2009 11:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
yup, they gave the ball back to us plenty of times, just choked on it
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
i think
when we gameplan, we have to take into account ourselves besides opposing playmakers. cause there a so many ways we manage to shoot ourselves in the foot.
its a plethora of mistakes, even a great team couldnt overcome making so many mistakes
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yes they did.
Seems like every week now. They have done it three or four times now. Getting pretty good at beating themselves. I attribute that straight to the coaching staff.
Watch me pull a hat outta this rabbit.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Nov 12, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
I think both teams whooped themselves
We just whooped ourselves more than the 9ers whooped themselves.
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Nov 13, 2009 8:07 AM CST up reply actions
i wonder if turner gets fired soon
cutler might be ready to go ballistic (and rightfully so) with this play calling. lovie ’ain’t going anywhere (cuz of his contract), but turner and hiestad need to be fired asap.
Who calls the plays if Turner gets axed?
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
lovie would try that end of it also, no?
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
no joking, i think my nana could do a better job
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Course she's 6'4" 250, runs a 4.5 forty
Lisa needs braces ... DENTAL PLAN
how dare you!!! she runs a 4.2 forty lmao
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
A monkey?
A shiny coin?
Lovie can throw a dart a a board full of options. Anything would be better.
Lisa needs braces ... DENTAL PLAN
Jay is our quarterback
sorry, just channeling Lovie though.
But in seriousness, Cutler has been on his own w/ little protection for weeks. He now has to readjust to having a team around him. Give it a little time.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
A team around him???
I think I’m missing something here.
I'm using the term in the loosest possible way.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
Red Zone......The Following Formation Is For Ron Turner's Eyes Only.
WR TE/Tackle/Guard/Center/Guard/Tackle/TE WR
QB
RB
Out of this Max Protect formation Ron we can do a Run up the middle, pitch left or right or play action pass. You can either release both tight ends or keep them in to block. If you release them it gives 4 receivers. If they stay it gives two receivers. Or Ronny boy, you can release one and keep the other in to?……you guessed it Ron, Block. And please,please,please Ron, no Bubble screen to Hester in this situation. I know how BADLY you want to show us how smart you are getting Hester in space. Just save in for another time, okay Ron? You %#$$#$@@@ing RETARD!
garbage in
garbage out.
they may win 3 more games.
by mike b on Nov 12, 2009 11:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
mike lombardi said on inside the nfl that if they lost to the 9ers this week, he thinks lovie would be in hot water
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:28 PM CST reply actions
that sickens me, to think they would sit around with a shitty coach, just to save 11 mill
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Shows that they dont give a shit about us.
And jay dreamed of playing here.Man if i was him i would punch out turner.or some coach.
but seriously, arent they embarassed? can they be that callous that sticking up the whole place just doesnt phase the ownership?
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
stinking up
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
I can see it in Jay's face
he is pissed,im sure briggs and alex are pissed as well.But they wont say ahting cause it will maje them look bad.Somebody needs to call the organization out.
that'd be the day
if the players call out the organization they look like whiners no matter how bad and inept the organization really is
by frenchbears113 on Nov 12, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
they could just wear t-shirts with the names of other coaches on it
just don’t say anything. that’d be hilarious, actually.
by guy incognito on Nov 12, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Kind of doubt he actually dreamed of playing in Chicago. I think that’s more something he said to try and endear himself to fans.
just like any other player
every player says the same thing so calling him out is kind of lame. might as well call out every single player in every sports league. it’s like anyone drafted into the Raiders says they’re happy to be there. you know it’s a lie but they’re getting paid so in the end they don’t care. but real players stick it out, no matter what the reason. look at Nnamdi Asomugha. The best shutdown CB and yet for money, he stayed in Oakland. To top it all off he’s a really good guy off the field. So to summarize every player plays on a team he probably never wanted to be on in the first place.
by frenchbears113 on Nov 12, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised
He’s from southern Indiana – could very well have been a Bears fan, I thought I heard/read somewhere that his father was a Bears fan and Jay watched them growing up.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
i say it all the time
chicago deserves better teams. the owners are horrible. as long as they make money, they don’t give a damn how the team performs.
You ain't kiddin'
Nobody dismantle championship teams like Chicago. How didn’t the ‘85 Bears be more successful than they were. Don’t get me started on the Bulls dynasty. No wait, Don’t get me started on the Cubs. Chicago is the greatest sports town in the world. Maybe team owners use it against us by thinking, they just love sports here we can put any team on the feild and they’ll watch reguardless.
i think most of us
just from reading this thread, can agree that a large number of picks can be blamed on the OL. When we can’t punch it in 4 yards on 2 running plays and then have to pass, you know you have problems.
fix the O-Line, fix the entire offense. fix the O-Line… well, the D still has problems.
it would make a huge difference
cutler has been great when he has more than 4 seconds in the pocket. and imagine if he had a running game he could rely on! as far as the defense goes, an effective tommie harris fixes a lot of the problems. we’ll see how he plays from here on out. he did decent tonight, and so did our D, not surprisingly. however, if he’s inconsistent, dump him and get a good DT in free agency. sign the best DB, be it a CB or a S, you can. we’re not that good in the secondary.
by guy incognito on Nov 12, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing positive here...
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
Why?
Can this team ever play a complete game?It’s either the defense doesn’t show up or the offense doesn’t show up.
by dannym22 on Nov 12, 2009 11:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
wait...what?...there was a game tonight?
Dude, where’s my car?
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
me 2
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
its sad cuz the niners arent going anywhere this year, they just stopped us from doing anything also
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
i can see the 49ers being playoff contenders a year or two down the road. every team has its phases. heck, the NFC South is looking to be what the NFC East was for the past couple of years, a tough conference with a bunch of playoff contenders.
it’s too bad that our ownership is so horrible or we’d be one of the most successful franchises in the country. look at our market. with an uncapped year, we could be like the yankees of football (build our team through FA).
I wouldn’t want to do that though. i hate the yankees :)
No chance
Playoffs? This team has absolutely no shot at getting to the playoffs. They would have to go 6-1 in the last seven games to realistically have a shot.
True Dat
And it isn’t like we would actually be able to DO anything in the playoffs anyway.
oh man, in 10 days we get to be embarassed at home again
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:40 PM CST reply actions
apologies wont get your ass into the playoffs douche nozzle
"It was tough. I have to apologize to the defense," Cutler said. "I think the offense as a whole has to apologize. They played a great game and kept us in there even through all the turnovers."
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:42 PM CST reply actions
What did you want him to say?
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by David Taylor on Nov 12, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
he should have added
an apology to the bears fans for having to see the worst play calling in the league, and an o-line that payton probably couldn’t even run behind.
by guy incognito on Nov 12, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
He should've added
“it was all my fault.”
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 13, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
semantics
He knows he screwed up. He apologized.
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by David Taylor on Nov 13, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Cutler's gonna be the flavor of the week
Truth is, we just can’t put together a good consistent game “on all phases” from this team right now. We are a very bi-polar, mediocre, mistake-riddled ball club. And when we do find a way not to screw something up, we get a holding call or something similar to take the momentum away.
Cutler will be fine here… did anyone here, really EXPECT Super Bowl this year?
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Cutler will be fine.
I attribute all the problems to their coaching staff. Not a very well coached team to say the least.
Watch me pull a hat outta this rabbit.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Nov 12, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
There's so many problems...
Offensive line, defensive line, lack of running game (could be attributed to OL, might not), turnovers, bad decisions, receivers dropping off routes, secondary issues, linebackers being banged up, other injuries to key players, our soft cover two that is allowing receivers to eat up the field, penalties, not being prepared, coaching, bad luck…
The thing is, not all of those things are wrong every week… or every quarter for that matter. When one unit is playing well, the other unit is costing us the game. Not to mention how frustrating it has to be for the players, which probably only adds to the inconsistent play.
But still, we have the ability to be a good team. And as cliche as it sounds, I still think we’re a few pieces from moving from mediocre to decent. It just won’t happen this year.
And that’s alright, because “Jay’s our Quarterback” for at least five more years! ;)
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by David Taylor on Nov 12, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
is it 5? i thought he signed for two?
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
2 year extension...
on his original deal. Signed through 2013.
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by David Taylor on Nov 13, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
oh ok
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
we don't even run
cover 2 all that much anymore. I think i heard somewhere it was around 20% of the time now
I don't know off the top of my head,
but we run the Cover-2 as our base D.
I can find out next week.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
It's roughly around 25% of the time
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Percentages, ftw?
It doesn’t matter. As Dane reitterated, our base D is still the Cover 2, and my point still remains the same. Inconsistent play on every phase of the game = bad outcomes.
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by David Taylor on Nov 13, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
I know it doesn't matter
but I’ve seen multiple sources say that’s roughly the %.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Gotcha!
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by David Taylor on Nov 13, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
According to
Whats-his-face (The espn nfc north’s blogger Seibert? Something like that and I don’t want to look it up) the Bears coming into this game send extra pressure 50% of the time.
Not sure if thats what y’all were wondering about, but I read it today.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
That's right
the other 25% must be man to man coverage, four man rush.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
no, but i gotta say, i didnt expect a worse outing than last year either
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
My expectations were the same.
Those are long gone for the season.
Watch me pull a hat outta this rabbit.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Nov 12, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
I'll tell you what i didn't expect
I did not expect us to finish worse than we did last year. At 9-7 barely missing playoffs i expected to go to the playoffs this year at 11-5. I can’t believe the total meltdown we have had the last few weeks but i also can’t believe even more the coaches just sitting idly by and watching it happen. You know what i would do if i was Coach?
I would put those overgrown babies into full pads practice for the rest of the season or until they start playing with some sense and some frikking fire. 2 years ago, Mike Tomlin had the Steelers practicing in full pads in week 11 and a few more weeks after, you know why? To show the players that he was the boss. Unless Lovie does something to get control and motivate this team then the season is over.
Am i saying the season is over right now? No, i am saying Unless Lovie and company can lay down some iron grip and start holding players accountable then yes, we will finish 7-9, 8-8 at best…if even that.
by Chitownproduct on Nov 13, 2009 7:04 AM CST up reply actions
didnt execute huh, wow, you really couldve fooled me
Cutler said. "It didn’t affect us. We saw everything coming. They didn’t have any surprises for us. We just didn’t execute."
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions
I wouldn't mind, honestly.
At least he’d get a Coors Light commercial out of it.
Lisa needs braces ... DENTAL PLAN
Was it John McKay ...
… who was asked about the execution of the players and he thought it was a good idea?
i dont even know why im pissed...if the org doesnt give two shits about the fans and the city, why should i be bothered by a shitty team
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:49 PM CST reply actions
because your a die hard like me
Watch me pull a hat outta this rabbit.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Nov 12, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
and
like all of us…… except for any hater douche on this forum trying to start stuff. I even watched the Bears growing up in France and New Zealand. We’ve been through uncertainty before Bear fans so this is just another bump in the road
by frenchbears113 on Nov 12, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
man i wish i had your patience and outlook
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
i know, but its not right, for the past 20 yrs, always been loyal, and for what, owners who dont care
multi millionaires and they would rather not eat 11 mill and get a better coaching staff and make themselves and us proud of our team, thats ridiculous, for how long are we gonna just sit here and take this nonsense
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly...
(for me at least) until the bears are no longer a franchise.
Im sure the players care.Briggs said we sucked (hey its true).And underneath all that calmness in Jay I can tell that he's just pissed by looking at his face.he cares.Players care just like at DC when they question the management.
But the owners and Angelo seem to be confortable with a mediocre team.I want to punch him right now.
I didn’t watch all of the game, but from the parts I did watch it didn’t seem your coaches did a very good job tonight, along with the o-line and Cutler.
The screen passes were working and then towards the end of the game you guys seemed to go away from them. I was thinking that could be because Pace went out and most of your screens had been to the left but I don’t know enough about your team to say really.
Cutler really should have only thrown 2 INTs, and the o-line sure as hell wasn’t helping him. It really sucks to have a really talented Qb, who has a bad o-line. But the last pick was on Cutler. It’s unfortunate he had to rush his throw a bit because it looked like Olsen was going to break to the left and have a bit of an opening.
But on a positive note, I thought Forte looked really good tonight. It’s unfortunate that your o-line, like our o-line doesn’t really ever open up too many holes for him to run through.
but i gotta say, that was a good take on it, you know, for you ot beinga bears fan ans all lol
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
To quote Homer...
Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
i think they suck so bad, we would lose at sucking to be quite honest
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
lol
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
i has a sippy cup
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
after this, i thinnk im going to need something stronger than scotch
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
well, at least something Cheaper than scotch
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
Not much to say
except the Bears have obviously reached a new low. It sure looks as if Cutler is trying to get someone fired on the coaching staff. Most likely everyone on the coaching staff. Offensive line couldn’t block a high school team from Sandy Texas.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
It does suck
I know our o-line couldn’t block a high school team from Sandy, Texas.
by packallday555 on Nov 13, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Haha
At least they haven’t given up 37 sacks. It’s never been more frustrating watching the Packers then it is now.
by packallday555 on Nov 13, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Let's play...
my team is worse than your team…
Turnovers for 1000, Alex!
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by David Taylor on Nov 13, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
ok, heres the answer..."traded in from denver, and the first pro bowl QB to the windu city in over 20 years, and known for throwin into dangerous situations.....
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
And now
will have the most Ints in NFL history for one season.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Jake Delhomme...
could possibly end up with even more by the end of the year! (half glass full?)
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by David Taylor on Nov 13, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
No
I’m clearly in doom or gloom mode here…..let me be.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
LOL.
You’ll be alright tomorrow… actually, I’ll give you til Saturday! ;)
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by David Taylor on Nov 13, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
I'll be fine but never the same
Ok, that’s even a little deep for me. I’m going to bed…..
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Haha.
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by David Taylor on Nov 13, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
ding ding ding...that is todays daily double, and your wager sir?
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
5 picks.....5 fricken picks, holy moses
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:05 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
You know i blame myself.
I’m playing against cutler in my fantasy game this week. I told my brother(in jest) i hope cutler thows 5 picks.
geees, what a time to be right???
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
Waitwaitwaitwait ...
Your brother still has Cutler on his fantasy team?
Am I to assume that you are the brains in the family, then?
Lisa needs braces ... DENTAL PLAN
To clarify:
Cutler is good, but this is not the year to rely on him for fantasy points, to say the least.
Lisa needs braces ... DENTAL PLAN
I hit the "BAN" button
But apparently I don’t have the right. This jinx is on YOU, brudda.
Any who thinks this is all on Cutler is ridiculous.
I give him credit for TRYING to get the ball down the field. Cutler needs an offensive line and an offensive coordinator that doesn’t suck ass. 2 picks were thrown when under serious pressure, 2 were b.s. (Hester falling and a Pass Interference that wasn’t called), the 3rd was a forced throw but was an obvious play call. 3rd and goal after a failed first and second down run. Cutler is in a bad spot being on the Bears, I feel bad for him… Cutler is the only thing making that offensive even close to competitive. If he were QB of the Vikings it would be a close call of who the league MVP would be right now b/w him and Brees, but stick him on this pathetic offense and yea… you get games like this. Can’t run, can’t block… guess what… ya won’t be able to throw.
Oh yea, Defense did play really well tonight… Gotta give credit.
No matter the circumstances
there’s no explaining or rationalizing 5 Ints.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
by propheteer on Nov 13, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep thats it.Jay did lose us the game tonight
But the coaching is beyond a joke.He is by himself out there.feel bad for him.
by T.Moore on Nov 13, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Cutler but fans here need to stop the hypocrisy
This guy threw 2 ints in the redzone that could’ve won us the game and has 17 picks halway threw the season. I’ve said it in an earlier post and i’ll say it again because it’s true. Rex Grossman was ruined in this town for a bad game is Arizona and for throwing 20 picks in a season in his first full season. So for everyone to keep cutting Jay slack for playing this bad on 3 different occasions is a little rich to me.
by Dils on Nov 13, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Definitely.
But the thing is, I defended Grossman too. Some of us see that this organization may be the lack of success in QB position. Now, was Grossman the answer? Obviously not, but perhaps in a better situation he might have faired better as well. Am I rationalizing? Sure, I have too at this point, I have been rationalizing poor QB play in Chicago for 20 years… but like Cutler has shown in Denver (and in a few games in Chicago) give him a few seconds and after developing a better rapport with his receivers he will post Pro Bowl caliber numbers.
Red Zone INT’s are unacceptable. No question. It goes without saying, he shouldn’t have thrown it in some of those situations… but if he wasn’t being flushed and wasn’t desperate to make a play, would the results be different? (That’s rhetorical, but from the Steeler game and Seahawk game I think yes)
yeah
but grossman never posted completion percentages or yards like cutler has. and i’ve never seen grossman make half of the passes cutler does.
we had a decent O-Line in the SB season and he was still bad. makes you wonder how bad he would be with this O-Line
Sure...
If he were on the Vikings…. This guy is another Jeff George. There is no way this guy is ever battling for MVP regardless of where he plays. To think, I actually wanted him on the Vikes.
by PurpleJesus on Nov 13, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
So we have someone else to point out what we know already.
Jay threw five INTs this game and 17 on the year. We are VERY painfully aware of this.
(eyeroll)
Sure
just “hit and run” tactics like most trolls do so well. You haven’t added any insight what so ever, so that leads me to believe you did have ill intentions.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
No worries
Wasn’t looking for your approval anyway. Take my comment any way you like.
If I wanted to make any “ill” intended comments I could have a field day but of course I chose not to. So, troll, no.
by PurpleJesus on Nov 13, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
What's this then
This guy is another Jeff George. There is no way this guy is ever battling for MVP regardless of where he plays. To think, I actually wanted him on the Vikes.
Clearly this is trying to bait someone.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
+1...?
Is that an INT? No wait, that would be +5. I understand now.
See you in 3 weeks. :-)
by PurpleJesus on Nov 13, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
-1,000,000
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Man, let it go...
Trust me, you are a really easy target right now. If I wanted to throw stuff around I could/can easily do that. Can’t you just take a comment as a true opinion and not a Vikes>Bears stab?
You're saying
the guy has absolutely no chance to be successful anywhere or anytime, no matter what transpires and you want me to take it in stride? Your opinion is beyond worthless, and it epitomizes trolling.
I think AP will suffer a career-ending injury next week- please don’t take this as a stab at the Vikes, because after all, it’s just my opinion.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Nice guy....
This just goes to show the lack of class you have. Enough said.
by PurpleJesus on Nov 14, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Just following your lead pal
Are you that blind you don’t even notice how classless you sounded?
I obviously don’t want anyone to get hurt; take a joke much?
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
LOL. I see....
I make a comment about a QB who is under .500 in his career and throws INT’s like they are candy as “not being an MVP candidate on any team”, and I am classless. Like it or not it is true.
Classless would have been making a comment about the statement in the post about being able to catch the Vikings. I chose not but easily could have.
You on the other hand, chose to make a comment about someone getting hurt this week. That is below classless pal. You aren’t even close.
It was just as rediculous
as your comment. That’s the point. You said you weren’t trolling, but obviously you were cause you made finite comments about Cutler to get a “rise” out of someone. Past results don’t always dictate the future.
I didn’t say I hoped AP got hurt, but that I thought he would get hurt…there’s a big difference. It’s still football and anything can happen at any time. With that said, even being a Vike I would never want him to get hurt. He’s the best player in NFL outside of the QB position.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
No it wasn't--not even close
If I wanted to get a rise out of someone I would have made a comment on the other point I mentioned above. But again I didn’t.
The topic I chose to talk about is backed by stats and to date, is a fact that I could have easily backed up.
I also said I had actually hoped at one point the Vikes would get him.
But
you provided no stats, or stated reasons why Cutler will suck for his entire career. All you did was regurgitate someone else’s opinion on him as a QB.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Stats
His QB rating has dropped every year he has been in the NFL.
His INTs have increased every year he has been in the NFL.
His INT % rate in the redzone is the highest in the NFL.
He has fumbled 31 times in 46 career games.
His career record is 21-25.
Is that enough or do you insist I needlessly beat up your QB?
And your QB has the all time interception record.
What’s your point? You aren’t a troll? Ok whatever. Do you prefer douche instead?
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 14, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Not bitter at all actually.
I have a life that isn’t controlled by sports. Slice it whatever way you want you guys sold your soul to a Packer for the hope of a championship.
Now where did I put all those NFL championships and superbowl? Ah here they are. You want to show me the ones you’ve got….. oh that’s right. Nevermind.
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 14, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
BTW, sold your soul?
LMFAO! How many 1st round picks you have left? Oh, that’s right, you sold your soul! $30M extension too!
:o)
Yes two number one draft picks.
But my QB was never a Packer. Incase you were wondering that’s the kind of dirty that doesn’t wash off.
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 14, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
As I said
We are lovin it! 7-1 kind of does that no matter where he came from.
To us, it digs at the Packers so we are enjoying it. Didn’t you see what it did to their heart once we beat them in Lambeau? They are done.
Personally
I can’t stand him. But if you’re ok with it to each his own I guess. I’m just saying I wouldn’t like it. And yes winning makes everything better. I prefer long term solutions versus quick fixes but that’s me.
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 15, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
That wasn't the point
My point was that you were trolling with the Jeff George comparison comment, not Cutler’s declining stats.
How does it feel to be baited?
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
George
is a great comparison to how he has performed so far. I never said I was the first to use that comparison. Did I?
And my point was that he wouldn’t be an MVP candidate on the Vikings this year, or any other team for that matter. That was the only point I was writing to.
Lastly, baiting me? To what? To spew out negatives on your QB? LOL…well done. If that is what you want to look at, then enjoy!
No
your point was this.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Some point
Again, it’s something I wasn’t arguing. You were here intentionally trolling with someone else’s opinion, and because DN must be boring.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Man, again, you are an easy target right now.
If I wanted to troll, I could. Try me….
by PurpleJesus on Nov 14, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
If I'm an easy target
you must be Osama bin Laden. That’s funny, a Vikes troll fan on a Bears site talking about how I’m an easy target.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
thats a class act!!!!
"Everybody has a bad day at work, that’s just it," Bears defensive end Alex Brown(notes) said of Cutler. "We have to be there to have his back and we do."
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:14 AM CST reply actions
Only if some of the fans...
could show that kind of dedication. Just sayin.
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by David Taylor on Nov 13, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah millen is a douche
But eisen is awesome.
they did screw up the commentary
for most of the first quarter.. then again you would have had to listen to millen and his popa or something, so maybe they did us a favor
You have to admit
it was cool when he apologized to cutler on that one pick.
really, the mafia?
then i better cut my illegal cable hook up lmao
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
Nah...
it’s the mafia just kick them a couple bucks.
true that lmao
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
how awesome would it be if the mafia owned the bears???
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
they are really turning a football thread
into a mafia discussion wherein tommy guns provide Cutler protection… it’s past bed time
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by BearNecessities on Nov 13, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
lmao.
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by David Taylor on Nov 13, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
couple of real Tommy's (Thompson) and we def protect cutler long enough to throw lol
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
Wow you know it was a bad
loss when your drinking scotch and watching Definitely, Maybe
lol
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 13, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
Night all.
And just remember, these post are archived. So if you start drunk posting the “I want Rex Grossman” chants… I may be forced to call you on it later. Possibly in a few years, when Cutler’s holding up the Lombardi trophy. ;)
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
aint enough vodka in europe to get me drunk enough to say i want sexy rexy back lmao
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
I never want rex back.Jay owns up up to his mistakes.rex would say
Im focusing on going to a new years party
lol
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
alright, fine, bedtime it is, gonna try to sleep this one off, nite all.......
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:29 AM CST reply actions
We can Still Make the playoffs
Well basically its saints cards and vikes for sure…
im thinking dallas takes it in the east. and atlanta gets one wildcard spot
all that needs to happen:
Dallas beats GB this week- likely
Philly Loses to the chargers this week- probable
next week we NEED to beat Philly- possible
and Giants lost to ATL-probable
if this happens we all tied at 5-5
"Triple B's Bulls Bears... Blackhawks (i guess)"
Mora and Edwards would be awesome in the same room.
You play to win the game. Hello? YOU PLAY. TO WIN. THE GAME.
The Bears
couldn’t beat a redheaded step-child at this point.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Grossman, Never again.
Seriously, anyone who says Culter is just like/worse than Grossman is immediately excluded from ever speaking about football again. There is no contest. Not even as a joke.
Also:
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Cutler is having the same problems as Grossman, in that there’s hardly ever any time for him to actualy set his feet and throw the ball, a bad running game, and terrible play calling. Yet for some reason, Cutler gets a free pass. That I don’t understand.
by bjchit on Nov 13, 2009 1:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
During the Superbowl season
Grossman threw 20 picks and 23 TDs. He got sacked 21 times. Cutler has throw 14 TDs and 17 picks and already been sacked 19 times through 9 games. Cutler has also been hit way more and already fumbled 7 times, most due to protection breaking down. So, in case you didn’t remember from watching, these stats should tell you Grossman had better protection that Cutler has been getting.
Also, Grossman lost more yards on a sack per average because he would panic in the pocket and try to escape pressure by running backwards. He never, ever stepped up, never extended the play. Speaking of running backwards:
Grossman rushing: 2 yards on 24 attempts
Cutler rushing so far this year: 24 attemps, 111 yards and a TD.
Yep, exactly the same.
As for running game: Grossman’s running game, consisting of Thomas Jones and Ced Benson, picked up over 1800 yards between them. They both averaged over 4 yards per carry, and between them they fumbled once all season. Forte has three already, and has picked up a whopping 482 yards, averaging 3.4 per carry. So, Grossman also had a better running game. Mostly due to the O-Line, which, as I said, was better.
For receivers, Grossman at least had Berrian and Moose. Some of our receivers, Knox, DA, even Iglesias, have the potential to be solid NFL receivers, but Grossman’s targets were better too.
As for terrible playcalling, we were the second-highest-scoring offense in football, so yeah.
Sorry man, there is no contest. Grossman had a better everything. But that is really beside the point, which is that Culter is just a better QB in every way.
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And the very next season, how many sacks did the Bears give up? Hell, two qb that year were injured on sacks. Wow. You do realise most of those “runs” backwards were kneels downs at the end of the game right? And the one time he does try and scramble, he gets a 22 yard gain. Then the next season when they got rid of Jones and had Benson, they had 1320 yards and a 3.1 yard per carry. As a team. That’s not a poor running game? Did you see the Super Bowl? Run run, pass. They also had a terrible time running the ball in that game too. Berrian was great, until he didn’t feel like playing. Then he was just half assing his routes. And yes, well Musshad is a multi time Pro Bowler, the Chicago weather must have turned his hands into stone at times, because 3 of Rex’s int’s were the result of them bouncing right off his hands. So yea, there is a contest.
Grossman also won more games then Cutler has, dispite starting fewer games, and has a qb rating of 96 in the 4th quarter. I’ll bet I cringe if I see Cutler’s.
by bjchit on Nov 13, 2009 2:55 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
did Grossman win those games
or the defense? Early in the season, he was definitely a huge factor in wins, but I hope you aren’t implying that Grossman led us to the Super Bowl in 06.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Really, we're doing Grossman is better rants/stats?
Doesn’t the fact that Sexy Rexy can’t beat out Dan Frickin’ Orlovsky for a back-up QB spot say it all? Why can’t we agree to stop talking about all our failed QBs that were not talented enough (except for Orton) that can barely make NFL rosters after we’re done with them?
and that doesn't factor in
the amount of sacks cutler has avoided through scrambling – i bet you could tack on another five more sacks if we had a QB that didn’t have Cutler’s scrambling ability.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Hypocrite
How can you say that we can’t compare Cutler to Grossman if they are alike, Both were strong armed, poor discision makers who liked to throw interceptions. Cutler has yet, in all his seasons, under different teams and coaches to prove he can win. Just because he has a strong arm and went to the pro bowl one year, he’s a star. As a starter, his winning percentage isn’t even .500, what more do you want. Don’t blame the coach, he had the same problem in Denver, and will continue to have for the rest of his career.
by maxwellsdemon on Nov 13, 2009 1:47 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
They are not alike.
Cutler is a good NFL quarterback albeit with some very big flaws that need correcting. On the right team, though, he has the potential to be a great NFL quarterback.
Grossman is a mediocre NFL quarterback who will ride the pine for the rest of his career.
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Still to be proven ...
Cutler still has to prove that he is a good quarterback. He is now in his fourth season and there are some troubling things. The title of “franchise quarterback” and words like “great” have been granted to him by the media and the fact that he has a strong arm. Exciting plays can cause a loss of perspective. If you only go by yardage numbers you could call him good. But if those yards don’t produce wins and if they end up with interceptions then the verdict is still out. I think it is safe to say that the verdict is still out. You may be right … he may end up being great but the qualifiers keep mounting up (i.e. if he only had a line, if he only had a coach, if he only had receivers, if he only had …) and until he actually proves it I will hold off on calling him “great” and am beginning to hold some reserve on “good”.
that logic is flawed
a quarterback alone cannot win games. Granted, Cutler hasn’t helped this season, but to say that because he doesn’t have a .500 record as a QB ignores the fact that over 50% of the game is conducted with the QB on the sidelines. Right now, Cutler gives us the best chance to win. Period. He’s got playmaking ability and is suffering because our line is terrible and don’t give him enough time to make his reads and utilize proper throwing mechanics.
I’m not trying to make excuses for him, I think he pressed too much in a tight game – tried to force a few throws, but it’s not like he’s working with the ’99 Rams offense here.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
I agree ...
… Cutler certainly gives the best chance to win and I am not saying he may not be good. This is not a plea to bench him or put someone else in nor is it a statement that Grossman was better. But I am saying that the clock is beginning to tick on his “playmaking ability” and how good he really is. The logic is not flawed that he still must prove it. The logic that is flawed is one that grants him that status based on “if only” and “potential”.
my apologies
i read your post and there were a few above it that mentioned his .500 record, i mistakenly attributed that to you. i don’t have a problem with “the jury is still out on cutler” re his greatness.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
yeah sorry
i just replied to the wrong post
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Flawed Logic
How can you say a quarterback that leads the NFL in interceptions, let alone red zone ints, that is not someone who gives you the best chance to win games, he made you lose because of his decision, if he didnt get intercepted the Chicago would have won.
by maxwellsdemon on Nov 13, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
in a vacuum, no
if you fail to see the flaws in personnel around Cutler, I can’t help you. Cutler and Forte (and arguably Olsen) are the only above average talents we have on offense. Has he made the best decisions? No. But you’re failing to recognize the fact that he has a bunch of young receivers and one of the worst offensive lines in recent memory. The break downs in pass coverage mean that Cutler can’t progress through his reads. His receivers don’t have enough experience to break off their routes and get to a place on the field where Cutler can get them the ball within 1-2 seconds of it being snapped because of the pressure generated by the pass rush.
Cutler isn’t a franchise quarterback right now. Not to say he won’t be. Maybe we should give it more than 9 games where he’s stuck with a talentless, over-the-hill line before we call for his head, no?
If he didn’t get intercepted, Chicago would have won? Based on what? The running game can’t get going, the line can’t block. Should he just throw the ball away and hope the defense can score some points? Maybe last night he should have.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Well
You’re failing to realize other WRs like Bennett and Knox had one-on-one coverage all night, but Cutler refused to look their way. Instead, he decided to throw into double and triple teams to Olsen and Hester. Bennett was wide-open on the final play, one step inside the endzone.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
yeah i heard he was wide open
i may be mis-remembering, but wasn’t the rush in pretty quickly on that last play (i thought he was going to get sacked)… didn’t cutler have to avoid the rush and move 7-8 feet up in the pocket to even get the pass off? when you’re running for your life, you really can’t go through all your reads. like i said in a previous post, i didn’t have the best vantage point for watching the game.
with that said, i think the criticisms of cutler’s redzone decisionmaking are definitely on point, the first red zone int and the game ending play were absolutely horrific. if the blame has to go anywhere, it falls on cutler, but it’s not like he’s got much to work with. maybe i’m wrong, that’s just how i see it.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
I thought he had time
but a shorter throw to a guy who had single-coverage is probably the easier read.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
yeah you're right
and it probably has something to do with the bias you highlighted in another post. he’s going to look for his “safety valve” when he’s in trouble, whether its the correct read or not. i don’t know enough about the inter workings of the team. is this cutler’s fault, turner? both?
some of the int’s seemed to be dumb luck. hester falling on the come back, the ref getting in the way on another and the potential PI. either way, a pick is a pick and he has to deal with it.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
also
passes targeted: knox (6), bennett (7) isn’t exactly refusing to look their way
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Where do you get those stats?
He seems to heavily favor Hester and Olsen on 3rd downs, and teams seem to realize this.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
you're absolutely right he favors hester and olsen
i tallied up each pass thrown on the espn box score play by play. when i first checked the box, it didn’t have targets, but it does now. hester 14, olsen 11. The ESPN box score with targets doesn’t included them on penalties it seems. bennett’s target on espn is 5.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Also
I’m not saying you can’t compare them, especially in the departments where they are obviously alike: interception prone, poor decisionmaking, which is basically another way to say interception prone. Cutler is horrible with ball security (30 career fumbles to go with 54 picks through, get this: 46 games! (Only 9 of those fumbles were lost, and like I said, QB fumbles are often the result of botched snaps or poor protection, but still, 30 is fucking high). If he doesn’t fix it, it will be a problem, possibly a career destroying one.
I also never said he was a star. For the record, while I was excited about Cutler (and Pace. Oops) my preseason prediction for the Bears was 8-8. Now that’s starting to look generous, but I always like to begin from a position of pessimism and be pleasantly surprised rather than the alternative. Comes from being a Sox fan.
But, I am specifically targeting all the “Bring back Grossman” and “Culter sucks worse than Grossman” people. If you think this team would be better with Rex Grossman as QB, you are an idiot. Period.
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Grossmen never challenged Vinny Testaverde for the single season INT record, period.
by bjchit on Nov 13, 2009 2:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Come on. Stop proving me right.
First of all, that record is held by George Blanda, you know, that guy in the Hall of Fame?
Second of all, the record is 42, so Jay still has a way to go.
Third of all, if you want to talk about Vinny’s 35 INT year:
TDs that year for Vinny: 13 (Jay has more already)
Completion percentage: 46.7 (jay’s lowest ever is 59.1)
Also, Vinny did it in 15 games.
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So messed that up, I’m not proving you right. And for the record, you did say you can’t compare Grossman to Cutler.
Never said that.
What I said was: You can’t say that Grossman is better, or that they are equal. I stand by that, because it is true. Look at stats, look at skill set, look at performance. You can pick and choose stats like 4th quarter QB rating (career Grossman is a sterling 70.2, compared with Cutler 84.7. As a benchmark, Favre’s career rating is 86, the good Manning is a 94.7, and Cade McNown is 67.7) and games won (team effort), but this team is better off with Cutler.
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“Seriously, anyone who says Culter is just like/worse than Grossman is immediately excluded from ever speaking about football again. There is no contest. Not even as a joke.”
I think you did.
Cutler also had one of the best receving corps in the leauge for a couple of years, why do you think Orton is suddenly lighting it up? Cutler now as a Bear though has a rating of 76 through 9 games. Rex had a rating of 73.6 in 2006. Yes, games won is a team effort, but you’re kidding yourself if you think Grossman doesn’t win some of those games the last 3 years. You can say Grossman isn’t as good as Cutler if he gets a chance with the Texans and blows. That has yet to be deterimined. I’ll actually be surprised if Cutler finishes his contract with the Bears. And before you jump to any rash conclusions, the Bears wouldn’t be better with Jesus Christ at qb.
Orton lighting it up?Hes not
He has only 9 TDs thats not lighting up.He is doing the same over there as he did here.Except he has A great D behind him again.And a great O line and BRANDON MARSHALL.Orton is doing well but he didnt change at all.its the talent around him and the fact that he plays usually average he makes few mistakes.and dosent make plays.Jay lost us the game.But the Line sucks Coaching sucks thats what killed us.Orton has good coaches over there.We have shitty ones.
Sigh!
No point in arguing Grossman v Cutler (Though both seem to love throwing off their backfoot instead of stepping into it), Grossman is long gone and Cutler is our only option at this point. Yeah Cutler, lost the game, but so did Hester, Chris Williams, Tommis Harris and anyone else who had a mishap, bonehead play, or drew a flag on what seemed like any positive play. Let me change that to ANY play. Fact is this team is making mistakes in all phases of the game and if one unit does show up, the others are no where to be found!!! I try toremain optimistic through most of it but, this group (players and coaches) is driving me crazy!!! I need a hug!
The thrill of victory ...
… and the agony of defeat. I think you have it … mistakes in all phases.
The Bears simply are not a good football team. They are not average, they are not middle of the road, they are bad. Too inconsistent from week to week. First offense, then defense, then special teams – repeat the cycle. The irony of last night was that they still had a chance with 5 picks, numerous penalties (absolutely no excuse), and mental errors. Penalties and mental errors are on the coaching for if you are not capable of preparing your team mentally, that rests squarely on your shoulders (Lovie, Ron, et al). Moving on from the pathetic performance last night, does Cutler’s poor mechanics somehow lend credibility to Rex Grossman’s misgivings? Certainly. For, if the staff is not capable of addressing and improving poor mechanics (footwork, release point, etc) then no QB will ever succeed in this city. I have said it once and I will say it again, Rex Grossman was not all the blame nor is Jay Cutler. His mental clock is so short right now due to being planted all year long, that he has no comfort going through his progressions. He is rushed, at the least, mentally, which again can explain part of the poor mechanics. But his reads or lack there of, do not fall directly on his shoulders when he has not had the time. And Olin Kruetz, is it that hard to snap the ball? The list is endless and this a weekly ritual – Bears aren’t going anywhere, have no draft picks of consequence, therefore will have to look at FA for help. Do we trust Angelo to do this?
Cutler looks awful this season.
Is the O-line to blame ? Did Tommie Harris decide to cheap shot anyone this week ?
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by CFHTim on Nov 13, 2009 8:23 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Calling Olin Kruetz out!!
Why has nobody called that guy out? He’s a bum. Besides the fact that he gets manhandled on every play, now, he can’t even snap the ball in Shotgun formation. Twice, he skipped the ball to Cutler. I’m convinced that all the QB/C exchanges were Olin’s fault, not Rex’s, Kyle’s or Jay’s. He needs to go. If he wasn’t such a great tackler, I’d say cut him.
Williams at LT, and Shaffer at RT?
Wouldn’t have made a bit of difference.
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stick a fork in 'em, they're done
What a waste of an evening – but I choose to look on the bright side. After this latest debacle, no one on the executive side of this travesty (I’m looking at you, Ted Phillips and JA) can say with straight face how this organization’s still “on track,” or whatever else kind of BS they think will play in Chicago this morning. No more excuses about injuries, no more explanations about how the O – Line “still has to get in synch,” etc. The truth is lying out there on the field, and no one can run and hide anymore. Welcome to your 2009 Bears, circa 1978!
Cutler Needs To See A Sports Psychologist.............
To have his head examined to find out why he leads the league in Red Zone Turnovers with 8. Aside from the fact Ron Turner is clueless calling formations in the Red Zone it is Cutler that cannot see Defenders in different colored uniforms. Something needs to change here.
I completely agree
Did anyone notice Bennett wide open on the very last play? Eveyone and their mother knows Jay is forcing balls to Olsen and Forte. Why the heck can’t he check down to someone with single-coverage? It’s truly mind-boggling!
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
by propheteer on Nov 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Forcing throws to Olsen and Hester
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
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I don’t ever want to hear Lovie, JA, or anybody say that “we like our guys” ever again. This team is a complete mess right now. I’m going to say that they are in the Top 5 WORST teams in the league, right now! Jay Cutler is a great QB, but he’s going to suck on the Bears until this franchise gets somebody who nows how to run a football team to actually run this football team.
This team does not have the coaching to turn a mediocre WR group into a formidable WR group. If the Bears don’t sign the best free agent WR available, (hopefully Marshall or V. Jackson) then the Bears fail. Let’s face it, Knox is not ready to be an NFL WR. He’s never open. He’s been invisible since the Atlanta game and that’s including 3 games where the Bears did nothing but pass the ball. He’s electric, no doubt, but he’s not ready to be a WR. Keep him at KR until he learns the position.
I can’t even come up with enough negative adjectives to describe the O line. Chris Williams is a terrible RT. Olin Kreutz and O. Pace are D-O-N-E!! Beekman needs to be moved to C because he’s too small to play G. The Bears O line is 5 gigantic Mr. Hanky Poos dressed in Chicago Bears uniforms.
Forte is slow!! Very slow!! Is he injured? He looks terrible on run plays and I know that it’s 99% O line’s fault but he still shows poor vision. He’s great out of the backfield so there’s some hope but he needs to do a better job running the ball.
Defensive line is shit!! The Marinelli project=fail!! So much for A. Brown manhandling a 2nd stringer. Did he even play yesterday? Could have fooled me. Undersized and outmuscled on every play. Defensive deficencies start there. Zero pressure=on slaught.
I love Briggs. He’s the only one on that D that makes plays every game. I think somebody smoked Roach and HH is not athletic enough in this defense. Injuries has killed this LB unit and it shows.
Secondary…..ah screw it.
This is 5 straight weeks (Atlanta, Cincy, Cleveland, Arizon, and San Fran) the Bears played like absolute Bear shit. This is not a playoff team. Shit, this isn’t even a 4-5 team. This is a 2-7 team that is in the bottom 5 teams in this league and the sad thing is, it won’t change. So us Bears fans will have to continue to Bear Down and accept what it is. A shitty football team with no draft picks and no competency in the front office to even do anything with those draft picks anyways to try and correct what’s wrong. It’s going to be a long next couple of years folks. Hope you have enough alcohol.
This has probably been thrown out there a lot....
but I want to again say, IMO, that Jay Cutler isn’t the problem.
Sure, the guy has made mistakes. But when I see Jay Cutler playing out there on the field with the lackluster running game that we have, I see him forced into doing too much. Teams realize now that Matt Forte has forgotten how to run for more than 2 yards per carry. Maybe the bad running game is caused by our young / inexperienced / flat out horrible offensive line.
We need to figure something out and try to salvage something out of this season. How? I have no clue. But I know it has nothing to do with Cutler.
New RB. Larry Johnson? I don’t know.
Maybe we should have invested in Faneca.
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
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