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It's the Wide Receivers

Not Cutler. (Well, a little Cutler, but mostly them).

To quickly preface this point, I just want to say, I'm not making excuses for him just to make excuses (I have nothing particularly invested in Jay Cutler) but because so much of what is going on is clearly a systemic problem rather than an individual problem.

If you go through his picks one by one, you can tell that he is playing with garbage out there, and that a lot of the picks are caused by other players. 

Star-divide

Pick #1 is totally on him - no excuses here, as even if that lineman doesn't get pushed back into coverage, the receiver was double covered anyway.

Pick #2 would have clearly been a nice sideline completion if Hester doesn't fall down.

#3 is on Hester again. I don't know if bumping into the ref slowed him down, as Millen indicated, or just that Hester didn't finish his route (which is what I think) but clearly he expected hester to continue moving to spot, and Hetser didn't. This was very similar to the interception last week, where Earl Bennet stopped running on a route, making Cutler look bad.

#4 was more iffy. There seemed to be pass interference on that play, but I think the defender would have been able to break up the pass regardless of the interference.

#5 was on the receivers as well (and maybe the O-line). It's the last play of the game, and Cutler knows he has to throw it. The pocket is collapsing, and nobody is open. He can try to run for it, but he's a good 12 - 15 yards away - way too much ground to cover. Basically, he has to throw it in there and just hope something good happens. It didn't - but you can't exactly blame him. Go back and look at the play, and tell me who he should have thrown it to - there wasn't anyone open at all.

Which brings me to the broader point. He doesn't have very good WR's. They are quick, and some have good hands, but they don't run good routes, they don't get open, and they are terrible at adjusting to defenses. Cutler seems to often assume that they are way better than they actually are - putting the ball where they're supposed to be - but they never make it there.

I would have more of a complaint about a lot of these forced throws, if I could point to someplace else on the field that he should have thrown it to - but I can't because that place doesn't exist. If he didn't try to make these throws into tight coverage, he would end up taking a sack or throwing the ball away on 70% of the plays.

All of this is also tied into the O-line, because if they gave him more time, it would also give the WR more time to get open, and if they could run block, it would force defenders to respect the run, opening up some of the secondary - but as I said, it's a complete systemic breakdown, with each failing part exacerbating all the other failing parts.

At least the defense (which also stinks) played a little better...

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#5

They still had a time out at this point. He could have attempted to run or threw it OUT OF THE END ZONE. Rod Woodson made some great points on the post game (I will see if there is a link)

1. Cutler has had most of his success in college and the NFL at rolling out on bootlegs or designed plays with a moving pocked and Ron Turner is calling nothing of that.
2. He has to learn from those 2 red zone INTs and the team has to practice better to elimiate the other 3.

by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 8:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

by the time he realized that nobody was open

I don’t think there was time left.

by mac30 on Nov 13, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

That throw was probably a desperation throw. When you’re on the field, it’s a ridiculously tough read to know if there’s going to be time on the game clock left if you run it or throw it out of bounds. It’s easy for us to say he had enough time for another play if he ran it/tossed it out of bounds, but when you’re running for your life because of an offensive line that couldn’t stop a leaky faucet, it’s kind of hard to tell.

by dkguy55 on Nov 13, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The INT happened

with 1 second left, so maybe if he threw it at their ankles? I don’t know, tough call

by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's forcing the issue... constantly.

Because he knows he has to make a play for this crappy a55 team.

And… yes, Turner has to wake up and move him out of the pocket to take advantage of his strengths. But, then again… our coaches aren’t exactly quick studies.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Nov 13, 2009 9:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

good analysis

Cutler is trying too hard to make a silk purse out of this sow’s ear of an offense and that is causing to make throws he knows he should not make.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Nov 13, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's the OL.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 13, 2009 9:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It is the OL and WR's I think

It doensn’t matter how fast you are if you can’t run good routes. Jerry Rice was not the fastest, but he was always where he should be and always ran good routes. I wish the Bears went out and got somebody like Tory Holt in the offseason because our WR need to learn to work on their routes. I would say easily .5 of the ints. this year is on the WR.

by Don't Fear the Reaper on Nov 13, 2009 9:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

1 - Cutler's fault

2 – Hester slips and causes pick. He’s still a damn good receiver, it happens.
3 – Hester hits ref which is ABSOLUTELY the reason it is picked. Still a damn good WR.
4 – Blatant pass interference, would have been caught IMO.
5 – Cutler’s fault. It’s 2nd down, if there is nothing there then THROW IT AWAY!

The ungodly amount of penalties and the piss poor line protection were the death of this team in a game we should have EASILY WON. The defense played good football and quite possibly could have gone all night without giving up a TD had that long interception return not happened. I’m sick of the bubble screen crap, not because it’s always ineffective but because we find it necessary to use it much more that it can be useful or creative. We’re predictable.

I liked seeing what Shaffer could do, he played pretty well in place for Orlando even though I would have liked to see Omiyale playing in place of him, maybe we could see if the guy had some real worth at his natural position. It is getting apparent that Ron Turner is not suited to handle Jay’s style of ball. With a guy as erratic as Cutler, somebody has to utilize his strengths, settle him down and call the plays based on his strong suits. I like our WRs but we do need to get Jay a bigger target.

The press conferences were bullshit. I’m sick of hearing the bounce back crap that we hear every week. Jay needed to take so more responsibility in his words and Lovie is simply annoying and predictable. Somebody wake up and get rid of this clown and his cronies. 2006 was a long time ago and we’re not going to be getting back to that greatness until we get the right people for the job, and the right personnel with them.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Nov 13, 2009 9:58 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

regarding #4

Kellen Davis never should have been bumped off the route by a DB. Davis is 6’7", big and strong, and no DB should ever bump him aside for a pick.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 13, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Good call Wilt!! I thought the same thing when I saw the replay!!

by McRipper on Nov 13, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They were saying

he should have come to the ball when he saw Jay was getting rushed and had to get it out of there quickly

by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is a major problem with our young receivers

They don’t come back when Cutler is running for his life…sure it’s ok of Hester and/or Knox go deep, but Olsen and anyone else who is eligible should be coming back to the ball trying to get open…

Unreasonable people make life difficult...

by WisBearsFan34 on Nov 13, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless it was PI

Davis should have came to the ball but he was still interfered. He did wait for it to come to him. Kellen Davis is still inexperienced and maybe when you don’t have Dez Clark they shouldn’t be calling for two tight end sets.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Nov 13, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice, succinct post PSDB...

I agree for the most part. The o-line needs to see what they have. I want to see Williams and Omiyale at the tackles, Louis at G and Beekman at C. Hester/Knox/Bennett are a great #2, #3, #4, but the Bears need a #1. None of them get separation, so they just can’t hack the #1 position. Hester and Knox could use their speed to get separation, but Turner can’t ever seem to call any routes that use their speed; say out and up, fly, skinny post, post. Of course, if this o-line can’t block, that makes it all moot anyway. Bennett is a great possession guy and even Olsen struggles to get separation against LBs…isn’t that supposed to be his weapon. The Bears need to get a short yardage back, a G and T, and a #1WR; oh, and a new OC and they will be fine.

When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!

by LostInSTL on Nov 13, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

When you throw 50+ times...

with no true #1 receiver, a rookie, a second year decent WR, you are going to have problems. Especially factoring in the OL is providing no time to sit back and throw.

While 5 picks and season leading in picks is not OK. I still like Cutler and support his efforts this season. Many of those you have to look at in context (being behind and forced to throw or give up for the game)

Could anyone imagine a year ago if you were told. The Bears will run their main back 10 times max and he will have what ave of 50 yards per game? And throw 50+ times a game? No. So while it hurts, I still appreciate the upped level of passing Cutler has allowed. Heck with out it, we would be 3 and out every set.

by TheMan1 on Nov 13, 2009 10:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I wont disagree with you on this post but as an outside observer watching your team in anticipation of our divisional tilts later this season….

the problem is cutler. His recievers arent doing their job but a great QB would make them better. Both in his passes but his leadership. Cutler has, seemingly, little to no leadership qualities. He throws a pick and adjusts his socks, goes to the sideline and does a combination of pouting and complaing and making excuses. A leader would go up to his receiver and do a combination of educating, communicating and encouraging.

I have yet to see a moment while watching your team play where cutler is on the sidelines doing those three things. In fact, multiple times during last nights game, they showed cutler on the sideline yelling at Greg Olson, bitching to a coach and doing a lot of sitting on the bench pouting. If he was a leader he would round up his recievers and get some encouragment and motivation going.

I dont think Cutler has any interest in being a true leader. He couldnt lead his High School, College or Broncos team to a whole heck of a lot. Waddya expect? I’m pretty sure Josh McDaniels saw that and that’s why he went around shopping Cutler and was happy to get rid of him.

We are the vikings.......resistance is futile.

by Hoss-Drone on Nov 13, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yet another non-Bears fan

who regurgitates the exact same post that so many have posted a million times. I just don’t get it.

Why do so many people have such a huge interest in Jay Cutler, and, specifically, why do they feel like they need to “educate” Bears fans on it?

For all the “expert” opinions like this one, they all sounds exactly the same, and completely hollow. But, thanks for the head’s up Hoss… you have shone us the light.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 13, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

beat me to it.

Not interested in what other fans have to say on the matter, most seem to want him to fail, so I can’t really regard their opinions as anything but sour grapes when he performs well, or told-you-so when he sucks it up.

As Bears fans we know what sort of drought it’s been at QB, so to see a guy like Cutler, with all the skills he most obviously posseses, we should tune this sort of crap out. Last night was Grossman-esque in terms of impotent offense, but between the picks we saw flashes of a skilled QB. Unlike Grossman et-all there are bright spots with Jay, bright spots that show despite a horrible team around him, something we couldn’t say for Rex, Kyle, etc.

by BBANGUS on Nov 13, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

there's not exactly a lot of great QBs

that have had bad o-lines, inexperienced receivers, and an inept offensive coordinator. so everyone saying a great QB would be able to make this situation work is deluding themselves. cutler has about 3-4 seconds in the pocket about 80% of the time, and has no running game to rely on since the line can’t create any space for forte. the other team knows what plays are coming, because turner does nothing creative. and, our receiver, who i do like, are often not where they are supposed to be because they’re not experienced route runners, and don’t come back to the ball – they’ll learn this stuff in time, hopefully. so, which great QB succeeded in similar conditions? i know brady pre-moss didn’t have great talent on the offense, but he had a very good o-line, experienced WRs who ran their routes, and play calling that was leagues beyond turner’s. seriously…what other great QBs succeeded in a similar situation? again, not to say cutler didn’t play bad (he did), but the amount of dirt people are throwing on him is nuts.

by guy incognito on Nov 13, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not too worried

considering this is cutler’s first year with these receivers, they’re still not comfortable with each other. While a couple of those picks were bad luck (hester slipping, pass interference, bumping into the ref), the receivers also showed good things this game.

We’re still in growing pains with Cutler and the offense. I don’t know why everyone expects Cutler to be awesome almost instantaneously. These things take time. Heck, look at Peyton Manning’s first two years. He wasn’t too good. It takes time to adjust.

That being said, the O-Line is still our weakest link.

PS I thought it was funny about the vikes fan calling out Cutler for not being a good leader when all Favre does on the sideline during games is stand by himself or talk to the QB coach.

by Nih1lus on Nov 13, 2009 10:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Swing and a miss…

by Miidwest on Nov 13, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Vikes fan

I think Cutler is an enormous talent and I enjoy watching him play. I’m not sure about what he’s supposed to do as a leader that he isn’t, but I find most of the chatter about his facial expressions and similar criticsms to be worthless.

Having said that, Favre works with his receivers and lineman during games and in the huddle. Some receptions later in games come from that work when they go back to plays later.

by Salty on Nov 13, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I'm kinda hoping you win the Super Bowl

Then maybe Leslie Frasier can be our HC! If not, at least you guys will get dismantled.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Nov 13, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i would want to see them win

just to see packer fans heads explode

by GtM on Nov 14, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thank you!

I feel like you read my mind last night. I couldn’t agree with you more. Every time I see these WR’s line up, Hester, Bennett, and Knox, I just laugh. Add on top of that a running game that goes no where, o line that can’t block anyone and Kreutz snapping the ball to Cutler’s toe every play, they might as well have Cutler play blind folded.

by TJ3117 on Nov 13, 2009 11:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't even think it's the WR's fault.

Here’s the order I would rank them….

1. Management
2. O-Line
3. Cutler
4. WR’s

Cutler was just horrendous yesterday. He just made bad decisions with the ball. I don’t blame it all on Cutler though, as his O-line is constantly letting the pressure get to him and the inability for them to run block doesn’t help either. But superceding all of the people who are at fault is the management. So many of us were complaining for the last couple of years about how atrocious our o-line was. So what management does it pick up some old “veterans” to strengthen our line. I think we can see how well that has worked. Lovie Smith is also a problem. His inability to get his players prepared and ready to play has been simply bad. These players coming into a must win game showed no emotion/heart. Lovie has not instilled any discipline with these teams or past recent teams. Hell, we had more penalty yards(75) than rushing yards(43). That’s just atrocious.

by aznsensation on Nov 13, 2009 12:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Lovie hasn't really coached this year

It’s like he’s not only incapable of getting this team to play with emotion and passion, he’s also not able to make adjustments.

"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon

by JimmyMack on Nov 14, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not to get flamed

but…if you consider Favre at the same point in his career (46 games played), he and Jay have almost identical numbers:

Jay:
68-54 TD/INT
11,377 yds

Brett:
70-51 TD/INT
10,412 yds

The difference is Brett was 26-19 through his first 4 seasons. Jay is 17-20.

by BBANGUS on Nov 13, 2009 12:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Point taken

But Brett did have a decent defense in GB those years…and until Nolan came in the Broncos D wasn’t all that great…

Unreasonable people make life difficult...

by WisBearsFan34 on Nov 13, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Statistics do not tell ...

…quality of receivers
…whether or not the team played from ahead or behind most of the time
…the offensive strategies of the head coaches

by Hank44 on Nov 13, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

its funny

Back when grossman actually had piss poor receivers everything was his fault no matter what. Now that we have a “name” qb nothing could ever possibly be his fault. Go take a look @ footballoutsiders wide receiver statistics and you’ll notice hester, knox and bennett are doing an exceptional job of catching the ball. This isn’t the line, the coordinators or the receivers fault. It is cutlers inability to make plays when they are inside the 20 and its his little pissy girl attitude he sports whenever things don’t go his way yet he shows no signs of wanting to improve. This team is a joke.

by lopey986 on Nov 13, 2009 5:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

The WRs have made some

incredibly tough catches this season. But they definitely are performing at times like their experience level would suggest.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 13, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

17 interceptions ...

I have read many posts pointing out that not all of the interceptions are Cutler’s fault. That is VERY true. But EVERY quarterback has the problem of missed routes by receivers, slipping on the field, referees getting in the way. The problem that does not go away is the number of interceptions and, particularly, the red zone.

by Hank44 on Nov 13, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

grossman was dealt with somewhat unfairly

i will give you that – i think if he doesn’t suffer those two serious injuries, he’d be our QB (he moved really well in the pocket before them), and a pretty good one. but, rex’s offense was much much better than this one. his receivers were definitely better (cutler’s will be better in time, but they are not at all right now – they make a ton of mistakes like not running out routes, not coming back to the ball, and not running precise routes, all of which kill cutler’s game). his o-line was MUCH better…one of the better ones in the game. cutler’s line is one of the worst. rex had a two headed RB monster in jones/benson. cutler has forte, who is probably almost as good as jones was, but with that o-line, gets stuffed every single play.

by guy incognito on Nov 13, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

how were the receivers better?

Moose and berrian? A drop prone posession receiver and a one trick pony (run deep!). At least our deep threats (hester, knox) have shown the ability to also make the tough catches, hester always seems to be the go to guy on the last drive of the game. And our possession receiver (bennett) actually catches the ball, unlike moose.

by lopey986 on Nov 13, 2009 11:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

When putting person vrs person

I will still take Cutler any day of the week. If Grossman had to throw 50+ times in a game and no running game, shoot he would have had 3x the picks.

I think it was 06 when he actually started all season he had 20+ picks and a QB rating of 70. And that was with a decent rushing attack.

So while I agree Cutlers picks are his to own and the receiving core is comparable, Cutler still puts us in a better position basing it only on the one person.

by TheMan1 on Nov 18, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, because the OL isn't giving Cutler/WRs much time to develop the routes

We haven’t been able to challenge defenses with the deep ball and stretch the field. That’s made it a lot easier for defenses to cover our receivers – because they’re basically defending a shorter field. They know they don’t have to respect the deep routes because the line can’t protect Cutler for more than about 2-3 seconds. And we aren’t calling a lot of deep routes because we know he’s got to get rid of it quickly.

"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon

by JimmyMack on Nov 14, 2009 10:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Kellen Davis

I think he should be given more playing time on the red zone plays, not just blocking but using him as a tight end on corner plays with Greg Olsen; so both big guys are used as targets for Jay Cutler. Can you imagine what the secondary has to go through to cover both of them in the end zone. Also, Jay should realize their size and through fast balls over the secondary to them instead of slow lobs; which the CBs can get to.

by AKK on Nov 18, 2009 1:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

seeing how easily KDavis got knocked off the ball

why assume he would be a good red zone receiver?

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Nov 18, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pick Number 5 Was On Cutler!

He could have ran,(risky), he could have thrown it away, he could have thrown it to a Chicago Bear instead of a perfect pass to a 49’er.

by Gesiakob on Nov 19, 2009 12:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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